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PowerDes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States520 Posts
July 01 2011 05:48 GMT
#1241
Good mech play.
twitch.tv/PowerDes
SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
July 01 2011 05:48 GMT
#1242
infestors are clearly just a government conspiracy, they never have nor will they ever exist
slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 01 2011 05:48 GMT
#1243
On July 01 2011 14:44 RaiKageRyu wrote:
As Cholera once said back in BW. Mech is bringing the A-move back to Terran.


its about time. Marine splitting and stutter step requires a lot of attention
blah blah blah...
Chainfire99
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada474 Posts
July 01 2011 05:48 GMT
#1244
ahhh sooo thors are good! ... when you have 5+ of them!


go go Happy!!!
Vincere Vel Mori
supdubdup
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States916 Posts
July 01 2011 05:48 GMT
#1245
sheth never loses ;D
Turn it Up
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
July 01 2011 05:48 GMT
#1246
On July 01 2011 14:47 Scila wrote:
"win Sheth" ?_?

Yay! :D
Gogo Sheth~
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
AndreiDaGiant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States394 Posts
July 01 2011 05:48 GMT
#1247
so nice to see koreans mech!
Terran Metal for the Win
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 05:49:10
July 01 2011 05:48 GMT
#1248
On July 01 2011 14:46 TheDougler wrote:
Great fucking game. Mech vs Z is my favorite matchup to watch. Hard to say what Yugioh coulda done differently tho...
Not suiciding his mutas on 3 reinforcing thors that were not in any position whatsoever to do any damage would be a good start. But yes, exciting match! :p
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
July 01 2011 05:48 GMT
#1249
IMHappy vs YuGiOh : Sheth wins.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
July 01 2011 05:48 GMT
#1250
Haha the 'win' marker said sheth. Whoops!
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
Spiner
Profile Joined February 2011
United States360 Posts
July 01 2011 05:49 GMT
#1251
You need infestors against mech to neural the thors and fungal the hellions
Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
July 01 2011 05:49 GMT
#1252
On July 01 2011 14:46 TheDougler wrote:
Great fucking game. Mech vs Z is my favorite matchup to watch. Hard to say what Yugioh coulda done differently tho...


He needed to shore up his base defenses against those bf helions. Mid to late game against they are such an annoyance for zerg to continue to handle. He lost so many drones harass that his macro fell and ultimately Happy rebuilt his mech and just overwhelmed him.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
July 01 2011 05:49 GMT
#1253
On July 01 2011 14:45 schmutttt wrote:
And this is why mass muta isn't great against mech.

Yes he won the initial battle but he lost ALL the mutas and is still refusing to make roaches in any form. If he had just gone roach infestor into broods he could have just kept reinforcing and broken Happy.


He only lost the mutas because he got greedy and tried to chase Happy's whole army down not thinking that there were 5 more Thors in production. After the initial fight he still had a good number of mutas left but flew them into all the reinforcements.

Anyway, well played by Happy, really liked his base defences. Fun game

oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 05:51:58
July 01 2011 05:49 GMT
#1254
On July 01 2011 14:45 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:42 oogieogie wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:35 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:32 andaylin wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:31 minhbq299 wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:24 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:23 asperger wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:22 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote:
PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better

Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.

It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.

Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.

I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player.
I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game.
Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well
even MMA get outplayed by the kid.
And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.

you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL


Wait, so if you go 8-gate blink, you're not outplaying, no matter how well you execute it? That's a pretty dumb notion you have there. If you didn't outplay your opponent when using 8-gate blink, then what was it? Sounds like you're doing a subtle balance whine.

if a toss goes 8 gate blink n zerg just droned the whole time and the toss just a moved n one that is outplaying? no that is the zerg being dumb.

also 7 gate or 8 gate blink so far does not seem at all outplaying because zerg just can't find a answer for it so until i guess i see it held i just figure it a super strong all in if not a little OP.

The answer is to play better and not lose a ton of stuff unnecessarily, how hard is this?

You think if I, a thoroughly non-pro level player, used that build on Sheth I'd get results? God no, he'd slap my shit, because I'm nothing compared to Puzzle.

you balance around the pros not the bronze league or the masters league. A better example i guess would be a idra vs MC@dreamhack or MLG i forgot game or idra vs huk@homestory or idk any other but there is probably tons of others. sry if it sounds harsh the league comment.

if a bronze zerg posted a replay of playing passive for a whole game then losing to a protoss that has like 20 colossi i wouldn't care at all.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
July 01 2011 05:49 GMT
#1255
On July 01 2011 14:46 BFD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:38 andaylin wrote:
LOL THORS. suck against mutas magic boxed. thats why full mech isn't good.


You still sure about that?


Still not sold on full mech, I've seen too many Zerg compositions shit all over it, Infestors particularly just made the Thors a pain in the ass with Neural Parasite, unless there are plenty of support units, and the only real support units for that are ground based in the form of tanks and hellions at which point mass mutas just shit all over it once again...

I dunno, maybe once I see more of it, it'll seem worthwhile, right now, not so much.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
July 01 2011 05:49 GMT
#1256
I'd definitely recomend this game. I don't really like this map 'dual sight" however this particular TvZ was totally entertaining.
o choro é livre
sAfuRos
Profile Joined March 2009
United States743 Posts
July 01 2011 05:49 GMT
#1257
On July 01 2011 14:47 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:45 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:40 Dommk wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:38 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:36 Dommk wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:32 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:29 Ocedic wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:28 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:26 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:25 sAfuRos wrote:
[quote]

This. And he lost a bunch of stalkers he shouldnt have by not blinking them back when he could have

Maybe the blink cooldown has something to do with that.

No. I'm talking about stalkers in the front line that he blatantly missed when blinking backwards and were definitely not on cooldown.

His micro was average, certainly not impressive for a top progamer. The killer was the fact that he had 1000000000 blink stalkers vs roaches


Okay Mr. Godlike Blinker, go to Korea and show puzzle how it's done.


Ah, heres that flawless logic again. If you critique someone you must first be better than them.

And if you want me to be honest? I think i could have blinked better than that. I'm certain any good Protoss player you'll ask will agree that the blinks in that game were only average.
Not that they needed to be more. Puzzle didn't need immaculate blinks because he had overwhelming forces.
But this discussion originated from the fact that Puzzle also had 730 APM. Which is absolutely 500 APM of spam given what he was going. Blinking back groups and warping in efficiently takes 250 apm, tops, and even then youre still spamming clicks and x. Might take more if he wasl ike, maxed on stalkers, but there was only a moderate amount of stalkers to manage there

You keep saying that over and over and over.

But the fact of the matter is, if you look at any GOOD Protoss, i.e HuK vs MC, Xiaot vs MC, Puzzle vs San (during recent event), Puzzle vs Sheth, HuK vs Naniwa

Their APM's spike to absurd numbers during battles, you can keep down playing it all you want but I dare you to find me a Protoss at the level of Puzzle, XiaoT, MC, HuK who doesn't reach APM's of 350-500APM during battles.

I mean, MC vs XiaoT had a 400APM 4gate vs 4gate battle...you can assume all you want but the proof is in the pudding.


Way to talk about totally different things. 4 gate is extremely apm and micro intensive. Blink play is not nearly as much,

Oh, and also? Last time i checked, 400 apm was almost only HALF of 730 APM

I'd agree with you if the only thing he was doing was blinking, which he wasn't. He was microing Stalkers with blink off cooldown, managing gates and being extremely aggressive on top of it (not missing Stalker attack cooldowns etc)>

Also by 400APM I mean SC2 APM. Not real APM. Puzzle was hitting 550 SC2 APM


"Managing gates"? Come on guy, just think about what youre saying. "Managing gates" as in, every 32 seconds pressing w=>s=>click 8 times? That adds like, 30 apm.
Also, what the hell? "Being extremely agressive"? What? Like, you mean making his stalkers attack? Like, 1=>a=>click? Or is there some component to agressiveness that involves an addition 549 sc2 apm that i've missed in my gameplay?

All i'm trying to say is that for the quality of micro displayed, Puzzle was obscenely over the top with his apm and was spamming. Blink micro is one of the least apm intensive micro sets in the game as compared to mutalisks, 4 gate, stutter stepping, ht management, ghost management, spreading, rine spreading, etc.

You keep saying that over and over, show my a replay of a Protoss who does 7-8 gate Blink and doesn't hit 350-400+APM that is on the level of MC, Puzzle, HuK, XiaoT etc.

When LoveTT did his blink play against Morrow he was hitting 400+apm, HuK vs LaLush he was hovering in the 400APM's as well

"Just" microing Stalkers might take what you assume, but there is a LO MORE going on.


Sure, but what else was Puzzle doing? I've seen LoveTT's play and also HuK's; there was other shit they were doing. Puzzle was 100% all in. He didn't need to build more pylons, (he attacked with the highest supply and only fell, so he already had enough), didn't build more probes, didn't build more buildings, and didn't expand. So he didn't do shit at his base. So he literally only had to blink micro and warp in units.
sAfuRos // twitch.tv/sAfuRos // contact for coaching
coolyou
Profile Joined December 2010
United States958 Posts
July 01 2011 05:49 GMT
#1258
infestor roach would've raped that mech build yugi chose to mass mutas which is the wrong move.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8313 Posts
July 01 2011 05:50 GMT
#1259
So basically, needed infestors for neural and fungal (the vikings)? Or... yeah how to beat that?
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 05:50:48
July 01 2011 05:50 GMT
#1260
On July 01 2011 14:48 RaiKageRyu wrote:
WoW

Mech won end game? Without winning in the first 2-1 push?

It helped a lot that the map was decent for it. Yugioh donated a dozen of mutalisks and a bunch of broodlords, forgot to make roaches and infestors with neural parasite.

Barring that and the fantasy gg timing, excellent excellent game.
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