Mech won end game? Without winning in the first 2-1 push?
It helped a lot that the map was decent for it. Yugioh donated a dozen of mutalisks and a bunch of broodlords, forgot to make roaches and infestors with neural parasite.
Barring that and the fantasy gg timing, excellent excellent game.
I think we should start calling it slayers gg timing, since it's always the players from the same team :X A more modern approach
They haven't approached Fantasy's timing yet. Some of his games left me feeling trolled :X There's a thread in the bw section
Mech won end game? Without winning in the first 2-1 push?
It helped a lot that the map was decent for it. Yugioh donated a dozen of mutalisks and a bunch of broodlords, forgot to make roaches and infestors with neural parasite.
Barring that and the fantasy gg timing, excellent excellent game.
I think we should start calling it slayers gg timing, since it's always the players from the same team :X A more modern approach
They haven't approached Fantasy's timing yet. Some of his games left me feeling trolled :X There's a thread in the bw section
Ryung def came close to fantasy gging last night. Burning refinery gg
Mech won end game? Without winning in the first 2-1 push?
It helped a lot that the map was decent for it. Yugioh donated a dozen of mutalisks and a bunch of broodlords, forgot to make roaches and infestors with neural parasite.
Barring that and the fantasy gg timing, excellent excellent game.
I think we should start calling it slayers gg timing, since it's always the players from the same team :X A more modern approach
They haven't approached Fantasy's timing yet. Some of his games left me feeling trolled :X There's a thread in the bw section
The CC float vs the 4 pool was one of the funniest games ever.
Mech won end game? Without winning in the first 2-1 push?
It helped a lot that the map was decent for it. Yugioh donated a dozen of mutalisks and a bunch of broodlords, forgot to make roaches and infestors with neural parasite.
Barring that and the fantasy gg timing, excellent excellent game.
I think we should start calling it slayers gg timing, since it's always the players from the same team :X A more modern approach
They haven't approached Fantasy's timing yet. Some of his games left me feeling trolled :X There's a thread in the bw section
To be fair he is zerg so he can't lift his hatchery
On July 01 2011 14:22 Olinim wrote: [quote] Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.
It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.
Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.
I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player. I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game. Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well even MMA get outplayed by the kid. And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.
you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL
Wait, so if you go 8-gate blink, you're not outplaying, no matter how well you execute it? That's a pretty dumb notion you have there. If you didn't outplay your opponent when using 8-gate blink, then what was it? Sounds like you're doing a subtle balance whine.
if a toss goes 8 gate blink n zerg just droned the whole time and the toss just a moved n one that is outplaying? no that is the zerg being dumb.
also 7 gate or 8 gate blink so far does not seem at all outplaying because zerg just can't find a answer for it so until i guess i see it held i just figure it a super strong all in if not a little OP.
The answer is to play better and not lose a ton of stuff unnecessarily, how hard is this?
You think if I, a thoroughly non-pro level player, used that build on Sheth I'd get results? God no, he'd slap my shit, because I'm nothing compared to Puzzle.
you balance around the pros not the bronze league or the masters league. A better example i guess would be a idra vs MC@dreamhack or MLG i forgot game or idra vs huk@homestory or idk any other but there is probably tons of others. sry if it sounds harsh the league comment.
You're ignoring the fact that Puzzle looked to be the superior player in that series. Not all pros are even.
Damn, that last game was pretty good. Let's get a game three up in this set.
so far all pro zergs besides i think nestea have lost to that even when scouting it? yes there are pros that are better then other pros (flash/jaedong ^^), but i am just saying i havn't seen a zerg hold that allin yet.
On July 01 2011 14:26 DigitalisDestructi wrote: [quote] Maybe the blink cooldown has something to do with that.
No. I'm talking about stalkers in the front line that he blatantly missed when blinking backwards and were definitely not on cooldown.
His micro was average, certainly not impressive for a top progamer. The killer was the fact that he had 1000000000 blink stalkers vs roaches
Okay Mr. Godlike Blinker, go to Korea and show puzzle how it's done.
Ah, heres that flawless logic again. If you critique someone you must first be better than them.
And if you want me to be honest? I think i could have blinked better than that. I'm certain any good Protoss player you'll ask will agree that the blinks in that game were only average. Not that they needed to be more. Puzzle didn't need immaculate blinks because he had overwhelming forces. But this discussion originated from the fact that Puzzle also had 730 APM. Which is absolutely 500 APM of spam given what he was going. Blinking back groups and warping in efficiently takes 250 apm, tops, and even then youre still spamming clicks and x. Might take more if he wasl ike, maxed on stalkers, but there was only a moderate amount of stalkers to manage there
You keep saying that over and over and over.
But the fact of the matter is, if you look at any GOOD Protoss, i.e HuK vs MC, Xiaot vs MC, Puzzle vs San (during recent event), Puzzle vs Sheth, HuK vs Naniwa
Their APM's spike to absurd numbers during battles, you can keep down playing it all you want but I dare you to find me a Protoss at the level of Puzzle, XiaoT, MC, HuK who doesn't reach APM's of 350-500APM during battles.
I mean, MC vs XiaoT had a 400APM 4gate vs 4gate battle...you can assume all you want but the proof is in the pudding.
Way to talk about totally different things. 4 gate is extremely apm and micro intensive. Blink play is not nearly as much,
Oh, and also? Last time i checked, 400 apm was almost only HALF of 730 APM
I'd agree with you if the only thing he was doing was blinking, which he wasn't. He was microing Stalkers with blink off cooldown, managing gates and being extremely aggressive on top of it (not missing Stalker attack cooldowns etc)>
Also by 400APM I mean SC2 APM. Not real APM. Puzzle was hitting 550 SC2 APM
"Managing gates"? Come on guy, just think about what youre saying. "Managing gates" as in, every 32 seconds pressing w=>s=>click 8 times? That adds like, 30 apm. Also, what the hell? "Being extremely agressive"? What? Like, you mean making his stalkers attack? Like, 1=>a=>click? Or is there some component to agressiveness that involves an addition 549 sc2 apm that i've missed in my gameplay?
All i'm trying to say is that for the quality of micro displayed, Puzzle was obscenely over the top with his apm and was spamming. Blink micro is one of the least apm intensive micro sets in the game as compared to mutalisks, 4 gate, stutter stepping, ht management, ghost management, spreading, rine spreading, etc.
You keep saying that over and over, show my a replay of a Protoss who does 7-8 gate Blink and doesn't hit 350-400+APM that is on the level of MC, Puzzle, HuK, XiaoT etc.
When LoveTT did his blink play against Morrow he was hitting 400+apm, HuK vs LaLush he was hovering in the 400APM's as well
"Just" microing Stalkers might take what you assume, but there is a LO MORE going on.
Sure, but what else was Puzzle doing? I've seen LoveTT's play and also HuK's; there was other shit they were doing. Puzzle was 100% all in. He didn't need to build more pylons, (he attacked with the highest supply and only fell, so he already had enough), didn't build more probes, didn't build more buildings, and didn't expand. So he didn't do shit at his base. So he literally only had to blink micro and warp in units.
We will never know until we get the replay, Puzzle is a fast player for sure, he hit something like 400apm vs SanZenith, but in a "100% blink Stalker all-in", what is there to spam? The only thing he can do is engage and micro.
Why these players are as good as they are is because of what they do and what separates us from them is things like these. Assuming the contrary doesn't make it true.
IIRC, LoveTT went pure all-in with blink Stalkers vs Morrow too and hit 400APM.
seem like most zergs here are whiner, when MC lose to Losira, no toss cry or bitch about anything. sheths or idra loss, Toss OP, 4 gates 6 gates 8 gates 1342432 gates OP.
Please guy, Puzzle look to be superior in game 1 and game 2, combined with his performance against mma before.
That is just too good.
I bet he is at least at naniwa/huk level or even better at PvZ and PvT (PvP can be variance on style). I will correct my statement about him that is equal to MC, but at least close.
He have a scary reputation on Korean GM ladder. 70% winrate is not bullshit while most of the code a + code s have like 55%-60% winrate.
Mech won end game? Without winning in the first 2-1 push?
It helped a lot that the map was decent for it. Yugioh donated a dozen of mutalisks and a bunch of broodlords, forgot to make roaches and infestors with neural parasite.
Barring that and the fantasy gg timing, excellent excellent game.
I think we should start calling it slayers gg timing, since it's always the players from the same team :X A more modern approach
They haven't approached Fantasy's timing yet. Some of his games left me feeling trolled :X There's a thread in the bw section
To be fair he is zerg so he can't lift his hatchery
Could you imagine if overlords were considered structures?
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