On July 01 2011 14:19 GhostFall wrote: I think sheth would've held if he didnt lose his overlords in the middle of the big battle. that was the deciding factor. At least this gives him something to work.
When engaging in a fight, spend 2 extra APM to double click all overlords near battle, and run them away.
this - and not building one sporecrawler/lord to deny the obs from seeing the burrowed roaches, which made burrow absolutely ineffective almost throughout the whole battle...
He had a sporecrawler in each base; he even killed off the obs once which forced puzzle to delay waltzing into his main.
On July 01 2011 14:26 skullhoof wrote: Beating someone good once doesn't mean you are at his level, winning only championship prove your skill
so what you're saying is the rest of code s besides oGsMC, IMNesTea, and IMMvp are the only ones with skill? (those are the only three that have won Code S twice and PoltPrime 1 championship)
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote: PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better
Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.
It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.
Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.
I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player. I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game. Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well even MMA get outplayed by the kid. And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.
you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL
did you watch the first game, did you watch how puzzle pulled off the defence and push at once
On July 01 2011 14:14 Miah121 wrote: I find it pretty funny that Sheth supporters were so happy that Puzzle beat MMA, then Puzzle just outplays him.
...? why is that funny?
Because they (like 6 people in the prior LR thread) thought Puzzle would be an easier opponent than MMA.
and who says he wasn't?
sheth was damn close to winning that 2nd game..
No he wasn't. His control simply isn't good enough to even beat 100 supply with 150, hence why he lost all his overlords (which is what ultimately cost him the game.)
the only answer i can see vs this blink is mass spines, but 50 supply up? if the idra vs MC game showed anything either its that you need to be more supply up or catch the toss not paying attention or something.
that kind of supply difference doesn't mean anything when zerg is making roaches anyways
also i don't know how people say he wasnt close to stopping that, I guess they watched a different game than I did
what should the zerg be making though? pure roach obviously isn't working, hydras don't come fast enough, infestors arn't fast enough, speedling/roach just doesn't seem to work either, and idk if even mass spine would work since with blink you can probably just pick off the spines then blink away.
i really want to see how nestea holds it because i see no way to atm n yes i am jw not a imba discussion w/e.
Only thing I saw as a weakness was the no obs. Sheth could have taken that period to get hydras. He was always on creep because there was only one point of attack and he was more limited by his larva then his resources. Against the 7 gate + obs. Not sure dude
are you stupid or not? are you bronze league. 8 gate all in is much different to 7 gate + 1 robo then take time to build an obs. It does not hit the timing ?
I'm not sure what you are saying but pm me if you want to argue. Let's not take up the lr thread
On July 01 2011 14:15 nvs. wrote: Oh well, I think I'm done watching PvZ until either this shit gets patched or the strategies and tactics open up new avenues. As it is I'm wasting hours of my life watching the same thing over and over again.
On July 01 2011 14:22 Canucklehead wrote: That was some top 3 blink micro in the world man.
Why do people always overhype blink stalker micro? It wasn't even that good, he often blinked back clumps of stalkers, a few of which didn't need to be blinked back yet.
This. And he lost a bunch of stalkers he shouldnt have by not blinking them back when he could have
Maybe the blink cooldown has something to do with that.
No. I'm talking about stalkers in the front line that he blatantly missed when blinking backwards and were definitely not on cooldown.
His micro was average, certainly not impressive for a top progamer. The killer was the fact that he had 1000000000 blink stalkers vs roaches
average? some people have weird impressions of average. If you have 12-15 stalkers and put packs back - it's average.
If you have 40 then it's ok to take sometimes 2 or 3 stalkers back i guess....
Again, i was talking within the frame of having 730 apm. If you have 730 apm you should be blinking back individual stalkers in that battle. Otherwise Puzzle just enjoys spamming
On July 01 2011 14:26 skullhoof wrote: Beating someone good once doesn't mean you are at his level, winning only championship prove your skill
so what you're saying is the rest of code s besides oGsMC, IMNesTea, and IMMvp are the only ones with skill? (those are the only three that have won Code S twice and PoltPrime 1 championship)
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote: PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better
Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.
It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.
Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.
I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player. I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game. Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well even MMA get outplayed by the kid. And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.
you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL
Outplaying includes quality of execution. Puzzle's execution was a lot better than Sheth's.
This game isn't just build vs build, it's how well people play. MC's 4gate outclasses just about all other 4gates, just because of how refined it is.
Something about Yugioh... I just feel like with the name Yugioh I can't take him seriously even if he becomes a great player. The name just gives me this mental image of some random kid who likes yugioh cards that started playing starcraft >.>
On July 01 2011 14:22 Canucklehead wrote: That was some top 3 blink micro in the world man.
Why do people always overhype blink stalker micro? It wasn't even that good, he often blinked back clumps of stalkers, a few of which didn't need to be blinked back yet.
This. And he lost a bunch of stalkers he shouldnt have by not blinking them back when he could have
Maybe the blink cooldown has something to do with that.
No. I'm talking about stalkers in the front line that he blatantly missed when blinking backwards and were definitely not on cooldown.
His micro was average, certainly not impressive for a top progamer. The killer was the fact that he had 1000000000 blink stalkers vs roaches
Okay Mr. Godlike Blinker, go to Korea and show puzzle how it's done.
Ah, heres that flawless logic again. If you critique someone you must first be better than them.
And if you want me to be honest? I think i could have blinked better than that. I'm certain any good Protoss player you'll ask will agree that the blinks in that game were only average. Not that they needed to be more. Puzzle didn't need immaculate blinks because he had overwhelming forces. But this discussion originated from the fact that Puzzle also had 730 APM. Which is absolutely 500 APM of spam given what he was going. Blinking back groups and warping in efficiently takes 250 apm, tops, and even then youre still spamming clicks and x. Might take more if he wasl ike, maxed on stalkers, but there was only a moderate amount of stalkers to manage there
You have no idea what you're talking about, nor do you understand the concepts of positioning, concaves or the fact that you can dodge projectile attacks.
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote: PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better
Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.
It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.
Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.
I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player. I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game. Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well even MMA get outplayed by the kid. And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.
you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL
Wait, so if you go 8-gate blink, you're not outplaying, no matter how well you execute it? That's a pretty dumb notion you have there. If you didn't outplay your opponent when using 8-gate blink, then what was it? Sounds like you're doing a subtle balance whine.
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