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rdj107
Profile Joined December 2010
United States336 Posts
July 01 2011 05:33 GMT
#1081
On July 01 2011 14:28 BlindDruid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:19 GhostFall wrote:
I think sheth would've held if he didnt lose his overlords in the middle of the big battle. that was the deciding factor. At least this gives him something to work.

When engaging in a fight, spend 2 extra APM to double click all overlords near battle, and run them away.


this - and not building one sporecrawler/lord to deny the obs from seeing the burrowed roaches, which made burrow absolutely ineffective almost throughout the whole battle...

He had a sporecrawler in each base; he even killed off the obs once which forced puzzle to delay waltzing into his main.
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
July 01 2011 05:34 GMT
#1082
I think this is the first time I seen Yugioh play something other then ZvZ

And IM Terrans so heavy on the mech :o
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
July 01 2011 05:34 GMT
#1083
On July 01 2011 14:32 ODieN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:30 Codeskye wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:26 skullhoof wrote:
Beating someone good once doesn't mean you are at his level, winning only championship prove your skill



so what you're saying is the rest of code s besides oGsMC, IMNesTea, and IMMvp are the only ones with skill? (those are the only three that have won Code S twice and PoltPrime 1 championship)

flawed logic you have there.

Don't forget Fruitdealer!



yup, someone already mentioned that i missed.

omg, it's odien. sup dood? long time no talk ^^
minhbq299
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom566 Posts
July 01 2011 05:34 GMT
#1084
On July 01 2011 14:32 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:31 minhbq299 wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:24 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:23 asperger wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:22 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote:
PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better

Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.

It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.

Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.

I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player.
I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game.
Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well
even MMA get outplayed by the kid.
And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.

you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL


did you watch the first game, did you watch how puzzle pulled off the defence and push at once
SlayerS_Puzzle, oGsMC, Liquid'Hero, FXOz, ST.Parting, , NSHoseoJjakji, SlayerS_CoCa, DRG
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 01 2011 05:34 GMT
#1085
On July 01 2011 14:32 minhbq299 wrote:
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On July 01 2011 14:31 kNyTTyM wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:28 oogieogie wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:24 travis wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:23 oogieogie wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:20 Ocedic wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:17 travis wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:15 Goibon wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:15 travis wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:14 Miah121 wrote:
I find it pretty funny that Sheth supporters were so happy that Puzzle beat MMA, then Puzzle just outplays him.


...? why is that funny?

Because they (like 6 people in the prior LR thread) thought Puzzle would be an easier opponent than MMA.


and who says he wasn't?

sheth was damn close to winning that 2nd game..


No he wasn't. His control simply isn't good enough to even beat 100 supply with 150, hence why he lost all his overlords (which is what ultimately cost him the game.)

the only answer i can see vs this blink is mass spines, but 50 supply up? if the idra vs MC game showed anything either its that you need to be more supply up or catch the toss not paying attention or something.


that kind of supply difference doesn't mean anything when zerg is making roaches anyways



also i don't know how people say he wasnt close to stopping that, I guess they watched a different game than I did

what should the zerg be making though? pure roach obviously isn't working, hydras don't come fast enough, infestors arn't fast enough, speedling/roach just doesn't seem to work either, and idk if even mass spine would work since with blink you can probably just pick off the spines then blink away.

i really want to see how nestea holds it because i see no way to atm n yes i am jw not a imba discussion w/e.


Only thing I saw as a weakness was the no obs. Sheth could have taken that period to get hydras. He was always on creep because there was only one point of attack and he was more limited by his larva then his resources. Against the 7 gate + obs. Not sure dude

are you stupid or not?
are you bronze league.
8 gate all in is much different to 7 gate + 1 robo then take time to build an obs.
It does not hit the timing ?


I'm not sure what you are saying but pm me if you want to argue. Let's not take up the lr thread
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
July 01 2011 05:34 GMT
#1086
lol GOM observer so awesome
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 01 2011 05:34 GMT
#1087
i never knew there was a goat there :O
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
July 01 2011 05:34 GMT
#1088
Hellion + goat loses to 1 roach, good to know.
I <3 Plexa.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
July 01 2011 05:34 GMT
#1089
E-Sports GOATS MOFO!!!!!
iyoume
Profile Joined May 2011
2501 Posts
July 01 2011 05:34 GMT
#1090

On July 01 2011 14:15 nvs. wrote:
Oh well, I think I'm done watching PvZ until either this shit gets patched or the strategies and tactics open up new avenues. As it is I'm wasting hours of my life watching the same thing over and over again.


go watch CoCa absolutely manhandle Alicia
BeSt <3 | HoeJJa | Leta :: team Polt
sAfuRos
Profile Joined March 2009
United States743 Posts
July 01 2011 05:34 GMT
#1091
On July 01 2011 14:33 BlindDruid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:28 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:26 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:25 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:24 forgottendreams wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:22 Canucklehead wrote:
That was some top 3 blink micro in the world man.


Why do people always overhype blink stalker micro? It wasn't even that good, he often blinked back clumps of stalkers, a few of which didn't need to be blinked back yet.


This. And he lost a bunch of stalkers he shouldnt have by not blinking them back when he could have

Maybe the blink cooldown has something to do with that.

No. I'm talking about stalkers in the front line that he blatantly missed when blinking backwards and were definitely not on cooldown.

His micro was average, certainly not impressive for a top progamer. The killer was the fact that he had 1000000000 blink stalkers vs roaches


average? some people have weird impressions of average.
If you have 12-15 stalkers and put packs back - it's average.

If you have 40 then it's ok to take sometimes 2 or 3 stalkers back i guess....


Again, i was talking within the frame of having 730 apm. If you have 730 apm you should be blinking back individual stalkers in that battle. Otherwise Puzzle just enjoys spamming
sAfuRos // twitch.tv/sAfuRos // contact for coaching
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
July 01 2011 05:34 GMT
#1092
On July 01 2011 14:34 Codeskye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:32 ODieN wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:30 Codeskye wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:26 skullhoof wrote:
Beating someone good once doesn't mean you are at his level, winning only championship prove your skill



so what you're saying is the rest of code s besides oGsMC, IMNesTea, and IMMvp are the only ones with skill? (those are the only three that have won Code S twice and PoltPrime 1 championship)

flawed logic you have there.

Don't forget Fruitdealer!



yup, someone already mentioned that i missed.

omg, it's odien. sup dood? long time no talk ^^

Indeed :D

Haha! The goat is now a goat superstar.
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 01 2011 05:35 GMT
#1093
He needs to use his gas on infestors instead of mutas imo
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
July 01 2011 05:35 GMT
#1094
On July 01 2011 14:32 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:31 minhbq299 wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:24 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:23 asperger wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:22 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote:
PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better

Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.

It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.

Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.

I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player.
I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game.
Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well
even MMA get outplayed by the kid.
And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.

you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL

Outplaying includes quality of execution. Puzzle's execution was a lot better than Sheth's.

This game isn't just build vs build, it's how well people play. MC's 4gate outclasses just about all other 4gates, just because of how refined it is.
Bunnypanda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States103 Posts
July 01 2011 05:35 GMT
#1095
Sometimes... wolf is just awkward
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
July 01 2011 05:35 GMT
#1096
Something about Yugioh... I just feel like with the name Yugioh I can't take him seriously even if he becomes a great player. The name just gives me this mental image of some random kid who likes yugioh cards that started playing starcraft >.>
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Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
July 01 2011 05:35 GMT
#1097
On July 01 2011 14:32 sAfuRos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:29 Ocedic wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:28 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:26 DigitalisDestructi wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:25 sAfuRos wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:24 forgottendreams wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:22 Canucklehead wrote:
That was some top 3 blink micro in the world man.


Why do people always overhype blink stalker micro? It wasn't even that good, he often blinked back clumps of stalkers, a few of which didn't need to be blinked back yet.


This. And he lost a bunch of stalkers he shouldnt have by not blinking them back when he could have

Maybe the blink cooldown has something to do with that.

No. I'm talking about stalkers in the front line that he blatantly missed when blinking backwards and were definitely not on cooldown.

His micro was average, certainly not impressive for a top progamer. The killer was the fact that he had 1000000000 blink stalkers vs roaches


Okay Mr. Godlike Blinker, go to Korea and show puzzle how it's done.


Ah, heres that flawless logic again. If you critique someone you must first be better than them.

And if you want me to be honest? I think i could have blinked better than that. I'm certain any good Protoss player you'll ask will agree that the blinks in that game were only average.
Not that they needed to be more. Puzzle didn't need immaculate blinks because he had overwhelming forces.
But this discussion originated from the fact that Puzzle also had 730 APM. Which is absolutely 500 APM of spam given what he was going. Blinking back groups and warping in efficiently takes 250 apm, tops, and even then youre still spamming clicks and x. Might take more if he wasl ike, maxed on stalkers, but there was only a moderate amount of stalkers to manage there


You have no idea what you're talking about, nor do you understand the concepts of positioning, concaves or the fact that you can dodge projectile attacks.
LightWireEX
Profile Joined September 2010
United States387 Posts
July 01 2011 05:35 GMT
#1098
I don't think people realize he was blinking back clumps of stalkers as the roaches attacked so they wouldn't even do damage. -_-
ghOst.3344
obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
July 01 2011 05:35 GMT
#1099
so many hellions, so few drones killed.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 01 2011 05:35 GMT
#1100
On July 01 2011 14:32 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 14:31 minhbq299 wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:24 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:23 asperger wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:22 Olinim wrote:
On July 01 2011 14:14 minhbq299 wrote:
PUzzle is fucking MC's class even better

Win a game vs sheth and now you're better than MC...lol.

It's a pretty ridiculous comparison, but he did beat MMA as well.

Yeah in a matchup he has a 41 percent winrate in.

I dont why you guys dont admit that Puzzle is S class player.
I dont say sheth is bad, but he got outplayed this game.
Stop coming up with excuses for your favorite player or race, while ignoring other guy play well
even MMA get outplayed by the kid.
And before the ro32, a lot of koreans pro predict puzzle will win mma, because puzzle have a scary reputation on ladder.

you dont need to call everything puzzle does "outplaying". going 8 gate blink stalkers isn't exactly outplaying. LOL


Wait, so if you go 8-gate blink, you're not outplaying, no matter how well you execute it? That's a pretty dumb notion you have there. If you didn't outplay your opponent when using 8-gate blink, then what was it? Sounds like you're doing a subtle balance whine.
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