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On June 20 2011 05:51 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:48 ScaringKids wrote:On June 20 2011 05:42 Proxd wrote:On June 20 2011 05:37 archonOOid wrote:
85k+ viewers!!! great news for sc2
lets hope for 100k+ in the finals Not gonna happen, unless it's in the evening. Having the Semi-Finals and Finals on a WORKDAY, that's just dumb (yes i am disappointed, i'll be at work, like most european over 18+ anyway, or rather 23+ for the most). :-( A bit off-topic here but League of Legends had constant 170k viewers all weekend reaching 200k today. Never thought it would have more than SC2, kinda crazy. the thing with the LoL streams is it is counting everyone that even just logs into LoL i think. I honestly don't believe it has that many people watching it.
It doesn't. It's been disproved literally hundreds of times between this thread and yesterday's. What LoL DOES it advertise the tournament blatantly on the client, unlike blizzard. Plus, it's one of the only big tournaments they get, I think. (Not sure on that last bit, I don't really follow it.)
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So all 4 Koreans among 48 players presented in this tournament eventually advanced to quarterfinals? I'm so disappointed. Shame on all foreigners and no excuses, all Koreans simply generally better and they proved that. IMO winner of MC-Bomber match will take 1st place of the tournament. Anyway almost for sure it will be a Korean.
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On June 20 2011 05:48 Clog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:44 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 05:42 Scribble wrote:On June 20 2011 05:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 20 2011 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On June 20 2011 05:32 shaman6ix wrote:go ahaid brainwashed idra minions, whine about balance despite idra playing painfully bad  70 food lead = bad play? oh, wow, idra haters are just as bad as idra lovers. Massing pure Roach = bad play. I'm sorry that IdrA can't win with one unit. The problem with this statement is the "Idra can't win with one unit" remark, when that's exactly what MC did. Not saying there is necessarily an imbalance, just pointing out that your statement doesn't make sense. How does zerg win with a single unit? Blink stalkers can do it but even MC had sentries All of his sentries died to the burrowed roach attack at MC's front. I'm pretty sure he didn't make a single one after that - just pure stalkers. And an immortal or two (not that he needed it). Roaches just get owned too hard by stalkers, it would be like massing hydras against colossi, or massing zealots against roaches or some stupid situations like that.
Lol this is new. Roaches get owned too hard by stalkers? You mean the unit that costs half that of a stalker but can beat it one on one in equal upgrades, from the race that is able to have a better early and mid-game econ? Blink is the only reason they are good, but let me direct you to the infestor which locks them down and deals damage. Look at game 2 of IdrA and MC at MLG, they were on equal bases, MC constantly denied the gold base, but IdrA steamrolled his blink stalkers when they had infestor support (and no the immortal neural parasite did not do enough damage to make it like 30 roaches surviving). Ever consider the possibility that IdrA just played horribly and MC played like MC?
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On June 20 2011 05:51 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:48 ScaringKids wrote:On June 20 2011 05:42 Proxd wrote:On June 20 2011 05:37 archonOOid wrote:
85k+ viewers!!! great news for sc2
lets hope for 100k+ in the finals Not gonna happen, unless it's in the evening. Having the Semi-Finals and Finals on a WORKDAY, that's just dumb (yes i am disappointed, i'll be at work, like most european over 18+ anyway, or rather 23+ for the most). :-( A bit off-topic here but League of Legends had constant 170k viewers all weekend reaching 200k today. Never thought it would have more than SC2, kinda crazy. the thing with the LoL streams is it is counting everyone that even just logs into LoL i think. I honestly don't believe it has that many people watching it.
When you log into LoL there is a link to the stream. You have to click on that in order to be counted as a viewer which means that LoL had 170k legitimate viewers
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On June 20 2011 05:48 ScaringKids wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:42 Proxd wrote:On June 20 2011 05:37 archonOOid wrote:
85k+ viewers!!! great news for sc2
lets hope for 100k+ in the finals Not gonna happen, unless it's in the evening. Having the Semi-Finals and Finals on a WORKDAY, that's just dumb (yes i am disappointed, i'll be at work, like most european over 18+ anyway, or rather 23+ for the most). :-( A bit off-topic here but League of Legends had constant 170k viewers all weekend reaching 200k today. Never thought it would have more than SC2, kinda crazy.
Please PLEASE dont start with that LoL thing again, there is a nice topic in general topics that already discusses and explains that pretty well...
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Well, it is true that MC displayed a wicked skill level by the awesome blink and the even more awesome forcefields.
It is also true that MC is in IdrA's head. I believe that IdrA at his best can take on anyone for a close and breathtaking series. Yet, his greatest opponent is his temper and mentality, and that is what does not let him shine.
On a second note, mass blink stalkers really should be able to get countered by a zerg unit. It really is annoying that only infestor-ling (and if the opponent is a retard and doesn't immediately feedback 1shot all the infestors) is able to counter it, while it is not larva efficient at all. There is no other unit that has no diminishing returns at it's size.
-Marines/lings/mutas/Hydras die easily to splash when massed.
-All of the units that shoot purely either ground or air are obviously out of the question, except for an all-in.
-Templars tend to ball up and become a 1,5 k gas kill opportunity
-Archons have somewhat of a short range so that they cannot really be massed
-Even the dreaded colossi, after a certain number make the rest of the deathball so slow that die to vikings/corruptors easily.
My point is that for all other "deathballs" there has to be some diversity, based upon the opponent's unit composition. Mass stalker simply rips through everything at pre-colossus pvp or zvp. Pure stalker balls are so not fun to watch, even if the blink micro can be jaw dropping sometimes.
My 2 cents about the whole whining issue above
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On June 20 2011 05:51 Refreshe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:47 Xpace wrote:On June 20 2011 05:46 leungwk01 wrote:
Koreans once again rolling another tournament
Even with top EU/US player its the same story
Anyway
socke>huk
sen>july
bomber>mc
moon>naniwa
And MC owns everyone. even sen.. It will never change. Koreans will always be better than foreigners. It's not fanboyism or racism, it's the simple truth. I don't think koreans will always be the best. I think the player that practices harder/the most will always be the best. HuK is not a korean korean. but he practices similar like the koreans so he is doing really well.
Completely agree. Everything is pointing to the fact the Koreans have the best training setups suitable for SC2.
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overlord drop would not have worked against blink stalkers
IdrA should have gotten fungal, it would have been effective against that mass stalkers
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I'm kind of scratching my head that MC keeps beating Idra with blink stalkers, and Idra seems to have no clue on how to deal with it. I was hoping he'd show us a solid answer after having faced it so many times.
Will be cheering for Socke now!
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On June 20 2011 05:42 eot wrote:
I'm not angry that IdrA lost (I was cheering for MC) but does anyone agree that maybe Stalkers should be 3 supply? I just think that if you max out on upgraded Stalkers it's a bit too strong, you get too many of them.
I dont agree at all, stalkers are already much worse then other similair units in most senses, sure really good micro can change that, but there are very few players who can blink micro like mc. Marauders should be 3 supply as well then.... lol protoss armies are already comapritively much smaller than other armies, and yoou want them to be smaller. Also stalkers receive the least benifit from upgrades than other similair tier units, they only get +1 for each upgrade as opposed to 2 for roaches and marauders.
Idra cant just only make roaches and expect to win, there was nothing OP about that final engagement, he lost WAYYY to much at mc's natural (around 40 supply) had more supply in drones and his positioning during that engagement was fairly sub par mc had way more units attacking at once compared to idra whos roaches were scurrying around in the back. If idra went infestor hydra ling he wouldnt have had too much trouble with that army at all. Also no static defenses at all, a few spine crawlers would have gone along way especially when he knows mc has no intention of grabbing a third and is pushing out off of 2 base.
Also that bad rally at the end set him way behind. Unless you can get a huge huge spread with roaches its really not good at all to have that many the front 2 lines can attack and the rest just scurry around because of their range, at a certain point you need to transition to hydras or something else, or lock everything down with infestors so that you can get your roaches up really tight to the front line of stalkkers so more of your roaches can hit.
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WTF are people talking about moon beating naniwa lol...I am a zerg but at MLG nani 2-0 moon in the groups...
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How well is the euro scene reflected in this tournament? Did the best players compete? Koreans+Sen seems to be in class by themselves. The good news is HuK! Win it for NA lol
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On June 20 2011 05:47 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:45 rpgalon wrote:On June 20 2011 05:31 Clog wrote:On June 20 2011 05:30 Sacro wrote:
Idra shows really poor army control... No. He had poor army comp. There is a difference. You don't micro roaches against blink stalkers much at all one roach burrow micro (like blink micro) is actually very good, but idra don't like micro yeah try microing roaches with burrow when you got an observer right above them...
Well maybe he could have sniped the observer above the armies if he didnt have two overseers playing contaminate the robotics facility meanwhile.
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On June 20 2011 05:47 TheLeafmuncher wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:39 Namu wrote:
idra just played bad that game...
his early game was very good, putting those spores down in perfect positions,
but apparently he thought he was SO ahead that it warranted him going pretty much pure roaches.
that does NOT work against a protoss player, especially a player like MC whose control is just out of the world.
idra could've wont he game easily if he had gotten hydras sooner, or even speedlings, or infestors.. TL;DRFF needs T2 counter. Unborrowing beneath a FF should break it, banelings should destroy them or they should just have a health bar.
That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard. Just picture every Protoss vs Zerg Early and Mid Game and see why this is wrong.
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On June 20 2011 05:52 AxionSteel wrote:
lol, Bomber is not going to beat MC. Guaranteeeeeeeeeeeeeee it.
It's debatable, tbh. vT is definitely MC's weakest match up now since it seems like he's somewhat figured out his vZ games based on recent tournaments. Bomber's no slouch, you know. Having said that, I still think MC's gonna win  PP
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mc vs bomber can go eitehr way but its probably teh closest match in skill we'll get, regardless of result
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Some of you guys are very ignorant.
It's not a particular skill that is too op. We saw from this tournament and others that even though people go similar tech paths, sometimes it's the micro of the battle that decides it all.
Like how JulyZerg does things other zergs aren't doing and wins with them.
I don't think there's a lot of people that can replicate MC's blink micro atm, and it's just because his too skilled.
Skilled players are op, not the races.
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I seriously don't understand why most zergs refuse to build infestors vs. blink stalkers. Zerg has the perfect counter to blink stalkers but all you get to read in this thread and others is "there is no counter to blink"
Infestor
Infestor
Infestor
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On June 20 2011 05:51 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:48 ScaringKids wrote:On June 20 2011 05:42 Proxd wrote:On June 20 2011 05:37 archonOOid wrote:
85k+ viewers!!! great news for sc2
lets hope for 100k+ in the finals Not gonna happen, unless it's in the evening. Having the Semi-Finals and Finals on a WORKDAY, that's just dumb (yes i am disappointed, i'll be at work, like most european over 18+ anyway, or rather 23+ for the most). :-( A bit off-topic here but League of Legends had constant 170k viewers all weekend reaching 200k today. Never thought it would have more than SC2, kinda crazy. the thing with the LoL streams is it is counting everyone that even just logs into LoL i think. I honestly don't believe it has that many people watching it.
Yeah, LoL numbers really aren't comparable imo.
The stream sits directly in the center of the game client for one, and is there while you wait for a match.
LoL is a free game that has recently really become popular. This is also basically the only big tournament it has had so far. SC2 constantly has big tournaments and LAN events.
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On June 20 2011 05:52 nvs. wrote:well then some people better step da fuck up and challenge them. ^^
Remind for example just won his 42nd zotac cup and it's still fun to watch. Some day some one will beat the person up top and it will be even more interesting
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