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Sadly after all this time with so many tournament threads it still is not clear to many users on this site. There are several types of posts that are not acceptable in tournament threads. Any form of:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining

Will result in two day to a week long bans even for first offenses. Please stick to the games at hand and enjoy yourselves with a beautiful event such as this and the free service that comes with it.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
June 19 2011 20:55 GMT
#12061
Also, blink stalkers are very strong. They have been strong since the beta. 200/200 armies of blink stalkers are pretty much impossible to kill without infestors.

I don't see how this is a problem though... it would only be a problem if they are unbeatable... but they are far from it. And they certainly are very expensive.
Zekely
Profile Joined October 2010
8 Posts
June 19 2011 20:55 GMT
#12062
To all you people who think Moon is bad--

1) Watch his NASL matches
2) Watch his games from this tournament
3) Learn to use the Team Liquid Database<<<<<<<<********

One botched baneling detonation, and one silly comment from Huk on SOTG and everyone assumes he's terrible. Sigh.....
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
June 19 2011 20:55 GMT
#12063
Idra's ZvP is really behind the meta-game. There is no reason not to get a few infestors (they are good vs everything). Other high profile zergs are using mass upgraded lings or heavy mutas or infestors, but Idra still often goes roach/hydra, which protoss has been used to dealing with for so long.

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XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
June 19 2011 20:55 GMT
#12064
LISTEN UP!

There is no possible way that there will be a Korean only finals. Looking at the brackets we will have 1 foreigner in the finals 100%. So all the whine about "all koreans" should stop.
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
June 19 2011 20:55 GMT
#12065
On June 20 2011 05:52 epik16 wrote:
Let's be honest, Idra is not on MC's level so we shouldn't use their games for balance insight.

Losira absolutely raped MC. Zergs like Nestea, July would be better and the new generation of zergs like DRG and Line would probably give him headaches as well.


Losira didn't rape MC to be fair. Game 1 Losira outplayed MC, Game 2 was the tip top level of ZvP from both players and MC with some phenomenal multi tasking, holds, micro etc.. and Game 3 Losira did an all in 'trick' style play which worked.

Losira has the second best ZvP in the world and is a phenomenal player but he didn't crush MC by any means.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
June 19 2011 20:55 GMT
#12066
On June 20 2011 05:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:43 oogieogie wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:36 Ruyguy wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:35 Theoren wrote:
Idra made way to many drones and didn't have much of an army advantage. When you consider MC has blink and +2 weapons it's no surprise he steamrolled Idra's pure Roach army. Idra's ZvP is pretty bad and he seems to have a mental block not only against MC but in the match up in general.

but honestly I still hate the fact that a 170 supply army cannot kill a 110 protoss army.....kinda bullshit despite still being pure roach.


No, it's not bullshit. You don't just get to sit back and go "herp derp spam R after making 100 Drones" and then say that you deserve a win.

Not only that, IdrA probably had more workers than MC, meaning his army wasn't actually 60 larger.

so 35 roachs vs 2 base sat which is wat like 50-60 probes so that would mean like 1 immortal and maybe 20 stalkers


Definitely more than 20 Stalkers, that Immortal, and what about the 6+ Sentries? IdrA lost a huge amount of Roaches to Force Field. IdrA just got outplayed. You need to suck it up.

i said it earlier but i lagged through the whole last fight, but i saw no sentries at the final engagement which is what everyone is talking about.

The bold is just uncalled for.
flanksteak
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada246 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 20:56:29
June 19 2011 20:55 GMT
#12067
Idra played pretty well; read the DTs, delayed MCs expansion significantly, contaminated the robo during the attack, and got his third up at a pretty normal timing. All these things should add up, but unfortunately +2 blink stalkers deal with roaches pretty darn well.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
June 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#12068
On June 20 2011 05:53 Cpadolf wrote:
Predictions for tomorrow:

(P)HuK > (P)Socke
(Z)Sen > (Z)July
(T)Bomber > (P)MC
(P)NaNiwa > (Z)Moon

(Z)Sen > (P)HuK
(T)Bomber (P)NaNiwa

(Z)Sen > (T)Bomber


I agree 100% with you.

Bombers TVP is crazily good. Even better than Polt´s.



I've got moves like Jagger
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
June 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#12069
On June 20 2011 05:52 neoenigma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:50 SoSexy wrote:
Its disgusting to see all these bans when people just say 'mc played poorly' or 'idra cant micro'... its like living in the third reich

I don't know... I watched that game and honestly thought Idra played better (at least in game 2). I think BLIZZARD needs to look at games like this and figure out how to tweak mass blink stalkers.

Of course, infestors would help....

Why do you need to look at mass blink stalkers when there are answers like you mentioned: infestors
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
June 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#12070
Skilled players are op, not the races.


indeed, people need to look more at the PLAYERS that advance and not the RACE.
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
June 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#12071
I can't believe you are still arguing over is Huk korean or not. What the hell...
I am more surprised there is not much of talk about Bratok. When he was invited I thought he will fail hard, no matter how much I like him, it is just that he is so inconsistent... But that second game vs Naniwa was... Wow... Gotta give him props. He's a beast. Though Naniwa is a beaster beast, lol.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#12072
On June 20 2011 05:48 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:47 Xpace wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:46 leungwk01 wrote:
Koreans once again rolling another tournament
Even with top EU/US player its the same story

Anyway
socke>huk
sen>july
bomber>mc
moon>naniwa

And MC owns everyone. even sen..


It will never change. Koreans will always be better than foreigners. It's not fanboyism or racism, it's the simple truth.


Unfortunately people won't accept that. Korea has the talent, the infrastructure, the work ethic, everything. I don't see the foreign scene catching up for at least 3+ years, if not ever.


It's infrastructure and nothing else. The ability to find & train players with the proper skill sets for the sports. It's why the best basketball players are American, the best soccer (football) players aren't, that the Japanese rock face at Arcade fighting games (still have an arcade structure), the South Koreans have the best RTS players and the Swedes seem to dominate the European scene in most esports.

It's the ability to attract and train that are keys. Without professional coaching environments, the non-Korean scene will have issues keeping up. It's why the move towards team-houses is going to be huge for the non-Korean scene.
akaname
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom599 Posts
June 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#12073
On June 20 2011 05:51 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:48 ScaringKids wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:42 Proxd wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:37 archonOOid wrote:
85k+ viewers!!! great news for sc2

lets hope for 100k+ in the finals



Not gonna happen, unless it's in the evening. Having the Semi-Finals and Finals on a WORKDAY, that's just dumb (yes i am disappointed, i'll be at work, like most european over 18+ anyway, or rather 23+ for the most).



:-(


A bit off-topic here but League of Legends had constant 170k viewers all weekend reaching 200k today. Never thought it would have more than SC2, kinda crazy.

the thing with the LoL streams is it is counting everyone that even just logs into LoL i think. I honestly don't believe it has that many people watching it.


this made me try out LoL today. Whatever reason it's got more viewers (be it it's only tournament, they tricked people to watch, only 1 stream, etc) is irrelevant, SC2 is a far, far, far better game to play and watch.
There can be only none
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
June 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#12074
On June 20 2011 05:51 Spicy Pepper wrote:
I'm rooting for Bangladesh players only. Screw the rest of the world.

I have no idea who's going to win any of the next matches.

I think Socke has better pvp, but I am rooting for Huk. I'll like to see Huk v MC or Huk v Bomber in the finals.
Easiest match to predict is Sen > July, since July's zvz has been pretty weak.
Bomber vs MC could be the championship round. I'll say MC > Bomber (but no clue really)
Moon > Naniwa, no idea again, but seems like Moon gets overlooked despite his constant solid showings. No one ever thinks he'll win it all, but some people actually trash him despite him showing he's a very solid player.


I don't see Moon beating Naniwa. Moon is a solid player who has pretty decent showings in foreign tournaments, but I think he would struggle against most Code A Korean players or top 3-5 foreigners.
lunchforthesky
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom967 Posts
June 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#12075
On June 20 2011 05:55 deathly rat wrote:
Idra's ZvP is really behind the meta-game. There is no reason not to get a few infestors (they are good vs everything). Other high profile zergs are using mass upgraded lings or heavy mutas or infestors, but Idra still often goes roach/hydra, which protoss has been used to dealing with for so long.



Nestea, Losira and July are probably the top three ZvP players in the world and none of them use infestor with any regularity.
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
June 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#12076
On June 20 2011 05:52 Caphe wrote:
Idra fanboys are just ridiculous. Idra got a huge advantage after playing like a boss with amazing star sense on the 1st half of the game.
Then he decide to mass Roach O_O.
If he tech to any tech path he would have won, even teching to overlord drop is gonna screw MC up big time, Muta will do as well, and ofc infestor and bane will own stalkers.



Some people will see what they want to see

I'm pretty sure the majority of "Idra fanboys" here (including myself) are in fact acknowledging that mass roaches gets destroyed by blink stalker (note - not imbalanced, just a fact), and saying that Idra needs to get his shit together and get a more diverse army comp once he has that big of a lead.

And for the record, a tech switch to Muta would have probably been complete shit against a mass blink stalker 2 base all in.
NesTea | LosirA | MVP | CoCa | Nada | Ryung | DRG | YongHwa
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
June 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#12077
On June 20 2011 05:55 XiGua wrote:
LISTEN UP!

There is no possible way that there will be a Korean only finals. Looking at the brackets we will have 1 foreigner in the finals 100%. So all the whine about "all koreans" should stop.

It is possible to have a korean only finals, if july wins
LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#12078
On June 20 2011 05:55 XiGua wrote:
LISTEN UP!

There is no possible way that there will be a Korean only finals. Looking at the brackets we will have 1 foreigner in the finals 100%. So all the whine about "all koreans" should stop.


*Looks at Brackets*
*Notices July is on one side of the bracket*
*Notices Bomber, MC and Moon on the other side*

Wat?
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
June 19 2011 20:57 GMT
#12079
On June 20 2011 05:54 Zaurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:51 Refreshe wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:47 Xpace wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:46 leungwk01 wrote:
Koreans once again rolling another tournament
Even with top EU/US player its the same story

Anyway
socke>huk
sen>july
bomber>mc
moon>naniwa

And MC owns everyone. even sen..


It will never change. Koreans will always be better than foreigners. It's not fanboyism or racism, it's the simple truth.


I don't think koreans will always be the best. I think the player that practices harder/the most will always be the best. HuK is not a korean korean. but he practices similar like the koreans so he is doing really well.


Completely agree. Everything is pointing to the fact the Koreans have the best training setups suitable for SC2.


Wait..you just contradicted yourself. We already know it's the training regime that makes koreans the best. Foreigners will never have that work ethic or infrastructure. By the time they do get it the korean infrastructure will probably be at the next level anyways. Koreans will forever be ahead. That's not to say you can't enjoy foreigner play. Cheering for your home team is always fun. But the foreigner scene is and possibly will always be in the shadow of the korean scene.
The Notorious Winkles
azr
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway144 Posts
June 19 2011 20:57 GMT
#12080
On June 20 2011 05:55 XiGua wrote:
LISTEN UP!

There is no possible way that there will be a Korean only finals. Looking at the brackets we will have 1 foreigner in the finals 100%. So all the whine about "all koreans" should stop.


You are wrong, shut up.

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