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Sadly after all this time with so many tournament threads it still is not clear to many users on this site. There are several types of posts that are not acceptable in tournament threads. Any form of:
Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining
Will result in two day to a week long bans even for first offenses. Please stick to the games at hand and enjoy yourselves with a beautiful event such as this and the free service that comes with it. |
Who cares what HuK is. He can be from Mars for all I care. We cheer on players in each tournament. foreigners don't always cheer for Thorzain or Idra, they cheer for MC or MMA. Even in the GSL, I personally don't cheer for HuK because he's a foreigner playing in Korea, I cheer him on because he's a damn good Protoss. I personally don't cheer on Jinro many times because I don't think he's as good as some of the other terrans and it's not based on whether or not they're foreigners. Love the game for the gamers not where they come from.
I was just in Barcelona this past year and Messi is loved by Barcelona and is basically a citizen of the state but he's still Argentinean and nobody really argues about it like you guys. He's a fantastic player, arguably the best, and people love him because of the game he brings, not because he's Argentinean or from Catalunya.
Huk is a Canadian player who resides in Korea. Many players might count him as a Korean type player because he's so adapted to the Korean SC2 culture. But who cares? He wins, he wins!!
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On June 20 2011 02:07 dubRa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:05 youngminii wrote:On June 20 2011 02:05 dubRa wrote:On June 20 2011 02:02 youngminii wrote:if you guys are bored or have nothing to do for now check out tb's stream for wow, he's doing it really noob friendly ('cause well, he's a noob now since he's quit wow for a while) and he's streaming a top guild raiding for fun http://www.justin.tv/totalbiscuit#/w/1357563856 That game is ridiculously stupid :/ To each his own. It's pretty fun to watch with TB talking over it haha besides, it's so much better than watching people argue over whether huk is foreign or korean It's stupid but I'm watching it haha 
i used to play a ton of this so i've done most of these bosses
it's amazing to see how many mistakes they can make and get away with it because of their gear lol
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On June 20 2011 02:08 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:07 hifriend wrote:
meh huk is gonna get knocked out the minute he hits a GSL pro anyway ~~
korea > all The last tournaments he got knocked out when he met Socke or Hasu :p
Yeah his pvp is pretty bad.. Even bischu put up a fight.
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On June 20 2011 02:08 Oreo7 wrote:
I'm so happy huk is playing up to his potential :D. He's the protoss in from north america, fighting
Corrected
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On June 20 2011 02:08 puzzl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:00 TheSilverfox wrote:
Everyone has been talking about the European Terran power-house. But look at the list below.
Europeans Protoss qualified for Ro16:
Naniwa
Sase
White-Ra
Socke
HasuObs
MaNa
6 out of 16 qualified are European Protoss. 90% of the players in the tournament were Europeans, how is this any surprise?
thats not the point....terran/protoss is
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On June 20 2011 02:04 Klamity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:03 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 02:00 lunchforthesky wrote:On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? The argument from me and many, many others is that the Korean scene and infrastructure produces better players. No one thinks Koreans have a racial advantage. So it's no surprise that the guy who beats a Korean is the one living and training for the last six months with oGs. He is a Canadian/American national training in the Korean scene. If Select is a foreigner in Sc2 terms then Huk is a Korean. That's just some new-age bullshit that came with the influx of new starcraft players that came to the scene when SC2 was released. Rek, Leg, Elky etc. were never considered "koreans" because they lived in Korea, they were always considered foreigners by the SC scene, always have and always will. Go figure, new game, new age, new mindset. Are you TRYING to be dense? Those guys also never full integrated into a Korean house on the same level as Huk. The only similarity is those guys all aren't Korean citizens.
The whole concept of Korean vs foreigner is silly these days. It's just an excuse now. Just let it die already.
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On June 20 2011 02:02 papaz wrote:They need to bring in more terrans from Korea to change that statistics.
6 out of 8 groups won by a Toss
I hope we don't have to deal with too many PvP (worst MU ever) in the later stages. Ok they made the genius decision to play the finals on a monday, so I won't be able to watch it anyways...
Really sad because the event so far was just a blast. . With all this streams you can watch Sc2 without any downtimes and you can always watch the games you're interested in the most (please take notes MLG).
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On June 20 2011 02:05 Nerdslayer wrote:
Allmost all my heroes out. Thorzain, Jinro only got White-ra MC left
you only need MC
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On June 20 2011 02:01 KobraKay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 01:54 Latham wrote:On June 20 2011 01:52 andis35 wrote:On June 20 2011 01:50 Bobble wrote:On June 20 2011 01:49 andis35 wrote:
if sjow wins and thorzain wins isnt it a 3 way tie? I heard Sjow and three way tie. That brings back awful memories... that was awesome :D . they played 4 additional rounds iirc I stayed up to watch it ^_^ it was glorious! I remember reading about that tie break but dont remember watching....was it worse than the 3way tie with EffOrt in the OSL a few seasons ago? And if someone with bw memory skills remembers that one...that wasnt the OSL effort won right? That would be amazing since the tie breaks only happened because of a rematch that was sketchy with some not working mouse controversy ^^
It rivaled the OSL tie, but it didn't surpass it. It was basically 4 or 5 straight rounds of just massively long battles, a few down to the wire, one building left base trades, and, I can't remember whom, but one would always beat the same opponent, and lose to other, expect for the first round (it was reversed) and the last, when Squirtle just slaughtered Sjow and Socke. I wanted to call it the Triple S Showdown. 
But it was very tenuous, destroyed me, really, and there was no audience, since they had to leave the venue, since it was closing time. Plus the winning player had to face their next opponent in the morning. It didn't help that TLO was kind of a dick to everyone, being all smarmy when all 3 players were sweating their brains out.
I think the best part was when Socke lost his few opening matches, and when I say lost, he got slaughtered like Fenix on that day. But he actually came back, and you can believe Rotterdam and TLO were trying to figure out if Socke actually had a shot. All in all, a very good tiebreaker, one to tell the grandkids.
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On June 20 2011 02:10 rpgalon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:05 Nerdslayer wrote:
Allmost all my heroes out. Thorzain, Jinro only got White-ra MC left you only need MC
hehe, true:D
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HuK is defnitely classified as a foreigner. He represents the foreigner world wherever he goes, his life is in Canada, etc. SeleCT is also a foreigner, particularly considering he has never been fully training at all in KR.
Just drop this thing people, huk is definitely a foreigner, with KR training, but a foreigner still, same as Jinro. When I say "Koreans didn't lose to foreigners in pool play in Colombus" I'm not considering seleCT, since he's a foreigner.
Likewise, I say that KRs only lost one series to foreigners, even if Jinro lost 3 series, since he's also a foreigner. However unimportant it is (since it's still a product of korean training), Moon lost to HuK, which breaks the korean dominance for a single series.
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On June 20 2011 02:09 kraut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:08 puzzl wrote:On June 20 2011 02:00 TheSilverfox wrote:
Everyone has been talking about the European Terran power-house. But look at the list below.
Europeans Protoss qualified for Ro16:
Naniwa
Sase
White-Ra
Socke
HasuObs
MaNa
6 out of 16 qualified are European Protoss. 90% of the players in the tournament were Europeans, how is this any surprise? thats not the point....terran/protoss is
Where are the EU terrans? for the longest time, it was all terran in EU.
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If people consider Huk and Jinro Korean than Idra should be at least 2 times more Korean than both of them together, he lived and practiced like a Korean for like 4 years there.
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what song is now on Day9 tv??? soooooooooo goooooooooooooood
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On June 20 2011 02:06 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:03 Fanta_Rules wrote:On June 20 2011 01:59 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:58 Klamity wrote:On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? Did you even read his post? Ignorance is really a shame. I read all of it, it still doesn't "pretty much make him a korean" It's stupid bullshit, am i japanese because i lived in Japan for over a year? You don't get it. It's not the genes of the koreans who are superior, it's their lifestyle and way of training. HuK is living the life of a korean progamer, he's training just as much as they do, and therefore, he should be seen as a korean. This is just noncence. Huk is from Canada now stop being silly all
Oh dear God I hope I don't get banned for starting a "racial argument" on a tournament thread D:
Next time I'll bold "in a Starcraft 2 context" so there *might* be less confusion..
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On June 20 2011 02:10 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:10 rpgalon wrote:On June 20 2011 02:05 Nerdslayer wrote:
Allmost all my heroes out. Thorzain, Jinro only got White-ra MC left you only need MC hehe, true:D
I am very thankful for that too.
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On June 20 2011 02:07 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:05 Chise wrote:On June 20 2011 02:01 Klamity wrote:On June 20 2011 01:59 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:58 Klamity wrote:On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? Did you even read his post? Ignorance is really a shame. I read all of it, it still doesn't "pretty much make him a korean" It's stupid bullshit, am i japanese because i lived in Japan for over a year? If you live in Japan long enough, then use, you do in fact become a citizen. You adapt the culture. Likewise, you live and train in Korea with Koreans on the Korean server adapting to the Korean metagame, then one could say he is Korean in a Starcraft 2 sense. No one is saying he is physically Korean. No one is saying he represents Korea. Simply, his play is essential Korean. I don't understand how any of this flusters you. Try to relax. Ok, going by your logic there are quite a few Korean losses today. Jinro lost a lot, and he's 'korean'. Also, Haypro lost quite a lot and he is (was?) 'korean'. So, the try to justify that koreans > nonkoreans failed anyways. Except I'm not trying to justify that koreans > nonkoreans? Yes Jinro and Haypro lost, they are representative of the Korean style which was defeated. That goes more for the "Koreans are not that much better than foreigners" standpoint than trying to act like I'm making an excuse for Moon's loss.
I didn't mean that you were trying to justify it, it was more so your logic combined with what Xpace said (because he seems to follow the same logic). Seems he tried to justify that koreans never lose to foreigners, which he didn't.
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To settle this "race" debate. Yes, it makes sense that in SC2 terms, where you live and practice determines your "race" because different regions have different styles of play and different practice regimen. Living in Korea SHOULD give a player an advantage in terms of staying on top of the metagame and getting ample good practice time and partners.
HOWEVER, it has ALWAYS been Koreans vs Foreigners, stemming from the BW days. People WANT to see foreigners win. Thus people that go to Korea are still called foreigners, because they're "one of us". We want to root for the foreigner amongst the masses of the Korean elite. We give them extra coverage, extra fan support (compared to Korean players), and extra love when they beat a Korean player than if a Korean player beat a Korean player.
So of course HuK is still a foreigner. Otherwise we wouldn't treat him any different than any decent Korean Protoss in GSL, like Killer or Tester.
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