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Sadly after all this time with so many tournament threads it still is not clear to many users on this site. There are several types of posts that are not acceptable in tournament threads. Any form of:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining

Will result in two day to a week long bans even for first offenses. Please stick to the games at hand and enjoy yourselves with a beautiful event such as this and the free service that comes with it.
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7481
On June 20 2011 02:05 youngminii wrote:
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On June 20 2011 02:05 dubRa wrote:
On June 20 2011 02:02 youngminii wrote:
if you guys are bored or have nothing to do for now

check out tb's stream for wow, he's doing it really noob friendly ('cause well, he's a noob now since he's quit wow for a while) and he's streaming a top guild raiding for fun

http://www.justin.tv/totalbiscuit#/w/1357563856


That game is ridiculously stupid

:/

To each his own. It's pretty fun to watch with TB talking over it haha

besides, it's so much better than watching people argue over whether huk is foreign or korean


It's stupid but I'm watching it haha
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4394 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7482
On June 20 2011 02:04 Elefanto wrote:
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On June 20 2011 02:01 KobraKay wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:54 Latham wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:52 andis35 wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:50 Bobble wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:49 andis35 wrote:
if sjow wins and thorzain wins isnt it a 3 way tie?


I heard Sjow and three way tie. That brings back awful memories...


that was awesome :D . they played 4 additional rounds iirc


I stayed up to watch it ^_^ it was glorious!


I remember reading about that tie break but dont remember watching....was it worse than the 3way tie with EffOrt in the OSL a few seasons ago? And if someone with bw memory skills remembers that one...that wasnt the OSL effort won right? That would be amazing since the tie breaks only happened because of a rematch that was sketchy with some not working mouse controversy ^^


lol it was as far as i remember a 3 round tie, it wasn't as grave as the effort shine and ggplay (i think?) tie.
but it was still hilarious


CJ fan so I was rooting for effort...but at some point I was just f*ck it....plz someone win TT lol
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7483
On June 20 2011 02:05 Chise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 02:01 Klamity wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:59 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:58 Klamity wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.

Lol he's still a foreigner...


If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean.


Huk is not korean, period.

Are you fucking serious?


Did you even read his post? Ignorance is really a shame.


I read all of it, it still doesn't "pretty much make him a korean"

It's stupid bullshit, am i japanese because i lived in Japan for over a year?


If you live in Japan long enough, then use, you do in fact become a citizen. You adapt the culture.

Likewise, you live and train in Korea with Koreans on the Korean server adapting to the Korean metagame, then one could say he is Korean in a Starcraft 2 sense. No one is saying he is physically Korean. No one is saying he represents Korea. Simply, his play is essential Korean.

I don't understand how any of this flusters you. Try to relax.


Ok, going by your logic there are quite a few Korean losses today. Jinro lost a lot, and he's 'korean'. Also, Haypro lost quite a lot and he is (was?) 'korean'.

So, the try to justify that koreans > nonkoreans failed anyways.


Except I'm not trying to justify that koreans > nonkoreans? Yes Jinro and Haypro lost, they are representative of the Korean style which was defeated. That goes more for the "Koreans are not that much better than foreigners" standpoint than trying to act like I'm making an excuse for Moon's loss.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
flowSthead
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1065 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7484
On June 20 2011 02:06 figq wrote:
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On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.
That's great for foreigners - it proves (to those who still didn't realize it before) that it's not about race or nationality of birth, but about the culture you live in. That means foreigners could over time build strong communities able to produce many RTS beasts like the Asians (and not just occasional exceptional foreigners).


I think his point was that kimchi is what gives Koreans their amazing powers.
"You can be creative but I will crush it under the iron fist of my conservative play." - Liquid`Tyler █ MVP ■ MC ■ Boxer ■ Grubby █
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7485
On June 20 2011 02:06 loazis wrote:
Guys.

The reason we are having a distinction between Koreans and Foreigners (aka THE REST OF THE ENTIRE PLANT) in the first place is not the difference in nationality or "race". It's because Koreans live and train in KOREA which gives them a whole other environment to train and improve in than anywhere in the rest of the world. People are calling HuK 'Korean' because he has been living in that climate for the last couple of months now, as opposed to foreigners who aren't in Korea.

Of course no one is claiming that he is an actual Korean now, but in Starcraft II context he can be considered 'Korean' because of his circumstances. That's the same as saying that SelecT is effectively a Foreigner at the moment because he isn't living in Korea (and thus not in a perfect sc2 pro-gaming environment).

Don't play dumb and pretend like some people actually consider HuK to be of the Korean nationality now, you can understand the point if you want to


This, now lets all get back to the games.
KCCO!
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
June 19 2011 17:08 GMT
#7486
Lol at the people failing to understand context and semantics. Words can have multiple meanings in different contexts. "B..b..b..but huk wasn't born in korea!!"
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
June 19 2011 17:08 GMT
#7487
On June 20 2011 02:06 teko wrote:
LOL, you guys spent pages just debating semantics.


No semantics found, just foolishness.

-semanticist Ghanburighan
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
June 19 2011 17:08 GMT
#7488
I'm so happy huk is playing up to his potential :D. He's the protoss in north america, fighting
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
June 19 2011 17:08 GMT
#7489
On June 20 2011 02:07 hifriend wrote:
meh huk is gonna get knocked out the minute he hits a GSL pro anyway ~~

korea > all

The last tournaments he got knocked out when he met Socke or Hasu :p
puzzl
Profile Joined October 2010
United States263 Posts
June 19 2011 17:08 GMT
#7490
On June 20 2011 02:00 TheSilverfox wrote:
Everyone has been talking about the European Terran power-house. But look at the list below.

Europeans Protoss qualified for Ro16:
Naniwa
Sase
White-Ra
Socke
HasuObs
MaNa

6 out of 16 qualified are European Protoss.


90% of the players in the tournament were Europeans, how is this any surprise?
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
June 19 2011 17:08 GMT
#7491
On June 20 2011 02:04 Klamity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 02:03 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 02:00 lunchforthesky wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.

Lol he's still a foreigner...


If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean.


Huk is not korean, period.

Are you fucking serious?


The argument from me and many, many others is that the Korean scene and infrastructure produces better players. No one thinks Koreans have a racial advantage. So it's no surprise that the guy who beats a Korean is the one living and training for the last six months with oGs.

He is a Canadian/American national training in the Korean scene.

If Select is a foreigner in Sc2 terms then Huk is a Korean.


That's just some new-age bullshit that came with the influx of new starcraft players that came to the scene when SC2 was released.

Rek, Leg, Elky etc. were never considered "koreans" because they lived in Korea, they were always considered foreigners by the SC scene, always have and always will.


Go figure, new game, new age, new mindset. Are you TRYING to be dense?

Those guys also never full integrated into a Korean house on the same level as Huk. The only similarity is those guys all aren't Korean citizens.

The hell? Naz and Elky were both on the AMD team, which eventually became eSTRO.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
June 19 2011 17:08 GMT
#7492
lol we need more matches to watch

the second we dont have things to watch there's just massive debates on what korean is defined as
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
OsC
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada542 Posts
June 19 2011 17:08 GMT
#7493
any have link to updated brackets and which stream is showing what game?

like who is playing who in the playoffs?
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
June 19 2011 17:08 GMT
#7494
On June 20 2011 02:01 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 02:00 videogames wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:58 Klamity wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.

Lol he's still a foreigner...


If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean.


Huk is not korean, period.

Are you fucking serious?


Did you even read his post? Ignorance is really a shame.

Do you also consider Messi Spanish?


I think you mean Catalan Barcelona did not cheer for Spain when it won the WC, I think that is pretty telling of where their sentiments lie. But good point nonetheless.


right.. total nonsense. The people not cheering were a extreme minority. Spain won with 8 barcelona players afterall...
Influ
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany780 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 17:09:35
June 19 2011 17:09 GMT
#7495
could you please take your nationality shit and put it where sun doesn't shine?
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
June 19 2011 17:09 GMT
#7496
Rather than saying "OMG look at the # of protoss left" look at the brackets themselves. There are like zero upsets. The only possible upsets in my opinion was Group B where I thought 2 out of hasuobs/socke/morrow. Also Group G I had no idea who would get 2nd. Also, some might say thorzain instead of hasuobs, but people have had time now to study thorzains style.

Other than that, if you invite the best players in the world, then I fully expect them to win. The # of protoss will slowly decline as the non protoss players left are very good against protoss. For example, july Idra and bomber have the capacity to beat every protoss remaining.

Most bracket predictions had this many protoss qualifying so the real surprise to me is that there are no huge upsets.

GL everyone!
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
June 19 2011 17:09 GMT
#7497
ROFL this argument is ridiculous.
gm.tOSS
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany898 Posts
June 19 2011 17:09 GMT
#7498
On June 20 2011 02:04 asperger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 02:03 Enervate wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:59 ffadicted wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.

Lol he's still a foreigner...


If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean.


Huk is not korean, period.

Are you fucking serious?


In SC2 terms when we say koreans we don't mean where they were born. Select isn't per term considered a korean in sc2 world, and HuK is. HuK has been living in korea training with koreans for many months now and for most of his sc2 career.

HuK is korean in sc2 terms. Select is not.
Select is korean in real world terms. HuK is not.

It's not that hard guys D: It's not their place of birth, it's their place of practice. No one is trying to compare who was born with most 1337 sc2 skills, we're trying to compare practice regime

Huk is not Korean, period. The terms foreigner and Korean are carried over from BW. Foreigners who played in Korea were still known as foreigners. Idra lived in a Korean teamhouse. He was still allowed to play in the TSL, a foreigner-only tournament.

You can say Huk is as good as a Korean, or has a Korean playstyle, but he is not classified as a Korean.

"He was still allowed to play in the TSL, a foreigner-only tournament"
what?

TSL2 that is, not 3.
HuK HuK HuK | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | There is death in the hane.
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
June 19 2011 17:09 GMT
#7499
On June 20 2011 02:07 AtreSamus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 02:03 Sqq wrote:
On June 20 2011 02:00 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.

Lol he's still a foreigner...


If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean.


Huk is not korean, period.

Are you fucking serious?


Lmao whatever, you can have your own opinion but don't act like what I say is stupid. Huk is a representative of Korea in this tournament, all of his training lately is the result of being part of the Korean Starcraft 2 scene. While he may be a foreigner in the GSL he still brings the Korean playstyle that has influenced him to the foreigner scene. His birthplace is irrelevant to the country he is representing with his play.


He is American born, lives in Canada (and sees himself as a Canadian) , he represents an American team (Team Liquid) and only lives in Korea for the time being. When you watch the GSL with Jinro & HuK, do you not cheer for them because they are foreigners, or do you think "gah no foreigners to cheer for, bunch of Koreans only" ?


Its like saying all football/soccer pros are from whatever country they are currently playing a league in. Wich also would mean that 50% or so of the swedish olympic games hockey team is American/Canadian.

I understand what the OP and his friends means but if we are gonna call E-sport a sport lets not make a difference between this sport and other sports. The Sedin brothers are swedish regardless of what country their club is in. That would make Huk canadian regardless of where he currently is stationed. Like any other sport.


Yeah exactly, it's common sense.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Pochtli
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland690 Posts
June 19 2011 17:09 GMT
#7500
On June 20 2011 02:08 Oscatron wrote:
any have link to updated brackets and which stream is showing what game?

like who is playing who in the playoffs?


For the 10th time, the brackets are decided in 11 minutes on Day9's stream.
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