EPTDHS2011 - Day 2 - Page 374
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Sadly after all this time with so many tournament threads it still is not clear to many users on this site. There are several types of posts that are not acceptable in tournament threads. Any form of: Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining Will result in two day to a week long bans even for first offenses. Please stick to the games at hand and enjoy yourselves with a beautiful event such as this and the free service that comes with it. | ||
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Zer0Kewl
Denmark11 Posts
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tymt
Sweden293 Posts
On June 20 2011 02:03 udgnim wrote: can't believe people are still stuck on race where you train & play at determines the type of player you are Huk & Jinro are Korean players because they have lived, played, and trained in Korea for a prolonged amount of time Select & dde are Korean but are NA players because that is where they live and play race means nothing. it's where you live and play that determines the regional player you are according to..? | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On June 20 2011 02:03 Fanta_Rules wrote: You don't get it. It's not the genes of the koreans who are superior, it's their lifestyle and way of training. HuK is living the life of a korean progamer, he's training just as much as they do, and therefore, he should be seen as a korean. No, you don't get. If you're not born in korea, or grew up in korea, you're a foreigner. It's a term from broodwar, idra was considered a foreigner even after playing 3 hours in korea. If you don't believe it, ask Tossgirl. | ||
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MrKn4rz
Germany2153 Posts
On June 20 2011 02:04 asperger wrote: "He was still allowed to play in the TSL, a foreigner-only tournament" what? TSL 2 | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote: That's great for foreigners - it proves (to those who still didn't realize it before) that it's not about race or nationality of birth, but about the culture you live in. That means foreigners could over time build strong communities able to produce many RTS beasts like the Asians (and not just occasional exceptional foreigners).A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. | ||
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
On June 20 2011 02:05 Thorakh wrote: HuK is a korean trained foreigner. SeleCT is a foreign trained korean. This, some people must be trolling... | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On June 20 2011 02:05 Ertu wrote: Omg,the Protoss and Zerg line-ups are absolutely terrifying for Ro16,top-notch Koreans and the best international talents. Poor Terrans  You forgot bomber! | ||
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teko
Canada1197 Posts
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DotADeMoN
United States517 Posts
On June 20 2011 02:05 Heavenly wrote: what a nice argument, I love how people are getting so upset. I would ask Huk but I don't know him personality, but I'm sure he would agree that almost all of his training and style comes from Korea. That makes him essentially a Korean-style protoss, no shit I'm not going to say he is NATIONALLY a Korean. Can't tell if trolling or just extremely stupid. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
race means nothing. it's where you live and play that determines the regional player you are We'll test that if HuK gets eliminated by a foreigner. I don't get this silly debate anyway. I'd like a so called foreigner to win something significant simply because, y'know, it'll motivate other players from the same region to compete with the Koreans more directly. Still, under those circumstances I'd predict that HuK's status as a Korean only last as long as he's winning. | ||
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loazis
Netherlands381 Posts
The reason we are having a distinction between Koreans and Foreigners (aka THE REST OF THE ENTIRE PLANT) in the first place is not the difference in nationality or "race". It's because Koreans live and train in KOREA which gives them a whole other environment to train and improve in than anywhere in the rest of the world. People are calling HuK 'Korean' because he has been living in that climate for the last couple of months now, as opposed to foreigners who aren't in Korea. Of course no one is claiming that he is an actual Korean now, but in Starcraft II context he can be considered 'Korean' because of his circumstances. That's the same as saying that SelecT is effectively a 'sc2-foreigner' at the moment because he isn't living in Korea (and thus not in a perfect sc2 pro-gaming environment). Don't play dumb and pretend like some people actually consider HuK to be of the Korean nationality now, you can understand the point if you want to  | ||
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kraut
374 Posts
yes ofc | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On June 20 2011 02:04 Klamity wrote: Go figure, new game, new age, new mindset. Are you TRYING to be dense? Those guys also never full integrated into a Korean house on the same level as Huk. The only similarity is those guys all aren't Korean citizens. Are you serious? they ALL lived in a team house IN korea, what more do you want? Explain to me how for the last 10 years we (stacraft scene) have always considered them foreigners? that's not gonna change because you and a few other people that came here from some random husky video says so. | ||
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3051 Posts
On June 20 2011 02:03 Thorakh wrote: Yes. Actually I do too. I also consider twilight to be a korean too. If rain gets picked up by a foreign team, he will most likely than not move outside Korea. He is still Korean. HuK is a foreigner. By your logic, IdrA is more Korean than HuK or Jinro etc. Are you now going to say that IdrA is no more Korean because he is in the US? | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
In order to be a foreigner you have to have risen to prominence in the foreigner scene. Pretty simple, no? | ||
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AtreSamus
Sweden142 Posts
On June 20 2011 02:03 Sqq wrote: He is American born, lives in Canada (and sees himself as a Canadian) , he represents an American team (Team Liquid) and only lives in Korea for the time being. When you watch the GSL with Jinro & HuK, do you not cheer for them because they are foreigners, or do you think "gah no foreigners to cheer for, bunch of Koreans only" ? Its like saying all football/soccer pros are from whatever country they are currently playing a league in. Wich also would mean that 50% or so of the swedish olympic games hockey team is American/Canadian. I understand what the OP and his friends means but if we are gonna call E-sport a sport lets not make a difference between this sport and other sports. The Sedin brothers are swedish regardless of what country their club is in. That would make Huk canadian regardless of where he currently is stationed. Like any other sport. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
"He's still a foreigner"... Why is that even relevant. The only reason we discuss foreigner vs Korea is because of their practice conditions and culture which seems to yield better results. The only way to make sense of your argument is if you think being of a certain ethnic race allows you to play a video game better. Which I would hope you disagree with. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
korea > all | ||
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OsC
Canada542 Posts
like who is playing who in the playoffs | ||
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