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Sadly after all this time with so many tournament threads it still is not clear to many users on this site. There are several types of posts that are not acceptable in tournament threads. Any form of:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining

Will result in two day to a week long bans even for first offenses. Please stick to the games at hand and enjoy yourselves with a beautiful event such as this and the free service that comes with it.
Zer0Kewl
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark11 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#7461
19.20 uff.... I hope they aren't pulling a "DSB FIRST"
"I might have made a mistake"
tymt
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden293 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#7462
On June 20 2011 02:03 udgnim wrote:
can't believe people are still stuck on race

where you train & play at determines the type of player you are

Huk & Jinro are Korean players because they have lived, played, and trained in Korea for a prolonged amount of time

Select & dde are Korean but are NA players because that is where they live and play

race means nothing. it's where you live and play that determines the regional player you are

according to..?
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#7463
On June 20 2011 02:03 Fanta_Rules wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 01:59 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:58 Klamity wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.

Lol he's still a foreigner...


If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean.


Huk is not korean, period.

Are you fucking serious?


Did you even read his post? Ignorance is really a shame.


I read all of it, it still doesn't "pretty much make him a korean"

It's stupid bullshit, am i japanese because i lived in Japan for over a year?

You don't get it. It's not the genes of the koreans who are superior, it's their lifestyle and way of training. HuK is living the life of a korean progamer, he's training just as much as they do, and therefore, he should be seen as a korean.


No, you don't get.
If you're not born in korea, or grew up in korea, you're a foreigner.
It's a term from broodwar, idra was considered a foreigner even after playing
3 hours in korea.
If you don't believe it, ask Tossgirl.
wat
MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#7464
On June 20 2011 02:04 asperger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 02:03 Enervate wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:59 ffadicted wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.

Lol he's still a foreigner...


If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean.


Huk is not korean, period.

Are you fucking serious?


In SC2 terms when we say koreans we don't mean where they were born. Select isn't per term considered a korean in sc2 world, and HuK is. HuK has been living in korea training with koreans for many months now and for most of his sc2 career.

HuK is korean in sc2 terms. Select is not.
Select is korean in real world terms. HuK is not.

It's not that hard guys D: It's not their place of birth, it's their place of practice. No one is trying to compare who was born with most 1337 sc2 skills, we're trying to compare practice regime

Huk is not Korean, period. The terms foreigner and Korean are carried over from BW. Foreigners who played in Korea were still known as foreigners. Idra lived in a Korean teamhouse. He was still allowed to play in the TSL, a foreigner-only tournament.

You can say Huk is as good as a Korean, or has a Korean playstyle, but he is not classified as a Korean.

"He was still allowed to play in the TSL, a foreigner-only tournament"
what?

TSL 2
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#7465
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.
That's great for foreigners - it proves (to those who still didn't realize it before) that it's not about race or nationality of birth, but about the culture you live in. That means foreigners could over time build strong communities able to produce many RTS beasts like the Asians (and not just occasional exceptional foreigners).
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#7466
On June 20 2011 02:05 Thorakh wrote:
HuK is a korean trained foreigner. SeleCT is a foreign trained korean.


This, some people must be trolling...
SC2, rip in pepperinos
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#7467
On June 20 2011 02:05 Ertu wrote:
Omg,the Protoss and Zerg line-ups are absolutely terrifying for Ro16,top-notch Koreans and the best international talents. Poor Terrans

You forgot bomber!
teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#7468
LOL, you guys spent pages just debating semantics.
DotADeMoN
Profile Joined June 2010
United States517 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#7469
On June 20 2011 02:05 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 02:02 haxard wrote:
On June 20 2011 02:00 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.

Lol he's still a foreigner...


If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean.


Huk is not korean, period.

Are you fucking serious?


Lmao whatever, you can have your own opinion but don't act like what I say is stupid. Huk is a representative of Korea in this tournament, all of his training lately is the result of being part of the Korean Starcraft 2 scene. While he may be a foreigner in the GSL he still brings the Korean playstyle that has influenced him to the foreigner scene. His birthplace is irrelevant to the country he is representing with his play.


why dont you ask huk what country he is representing you idiot


what a nice argument, I love how people are getting so upset. I would ask Huk but I don't know him personality, but I'm sure he would agree that almost all of his training and style comes from Korea. That makes him essentially a Korean-style protoss, no shit I'm not going to say he is NATIONALLY a Korean.


Can't tell if trolling or just extremely stupid.
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#7470
race means nothing. it's where you live and play that determines the regional player you are


We'll test that if HuK gets eliminated by a foreigner. I don't get this silly debate anyway. I'd like a so called foreigner to win something significant simply because, y'know, it'll motivate other players from the same region to compete with the Koreans more directly.

Still, under those circumstances I'd predict that HuK's status as a Korean only last as long as he's winning.
loazis
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 17:08:09
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#7471
Guys.

The reason we are having a distinction between Koreans and Foreigners (aka THE REST OF THE ENTIRE PLANT) in the first place is not the difference in nationality or "race". It's because Koreans live and train in KOREA which gives them a whole other environment to train and improve in than anywhere in the rest of the world. People are calling HuK 'Korean' because he has been living in that climate for the last couple of months now, as opposed to foreigners who aren't in Korea.

Of course no one is claiming that he is an actual Korean now, but in Starcraft II context he can be considered 'Korean' because of his circumstances. That's the same as saying that SelecT is effectively a 'sc2-foreigner' at the moment because he isn't living in Korea (and thus not in a perfect sc2 pro-gaming environment).

Don't play dumb and pretend like some people actually consider HuK to be of the Korean nationality now, you can understand the point if you want to
There is no spoon.
kraut
Profile Joined April 2010
374 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7472
On June 20 2011 02:02 ribboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 02:00 kraut wrote:
are u guys serious about the huk is korean stuff?

do u consider select a korean?


yes ofc
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7473
On June 20 2011 02:04 Klamity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 02:03 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 02:00 lunchforthesky wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.

Lol he's still a foreigner...


If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean.


Huk is not korean, period.

Are you fucking serious?


The argument from me and many, many others is that the Korean scene and infrastructure produces better players. No one thinks Koreans have a racial advantage. So it's no surprise that the guy who beats a Korean is the one living and training for the last six months with oGs.

He is a Canadian/American national training in the Korean scene.

If Select is a foreigner in Sc2 terms then Huk is a Korean.


That's just some new-age bullshit that came with the influx of new starcraft players that came to the scene when SC2 was released.

Rek, Leg, Elky etc. were never considered "koreans" because they lived in Korea, they were always considered foreigners by the SC scene, always have and always will.


Go figure, new game, new age, new mindset. Are you TRYING to be dense?

Those guys also never full integrated into a Korean house on the same level as Huk. The only similarity is those guys all aren't Korean citizens.


Are you serious? they ALL lived in a team house IN korea, what more do you want?

Explain to me how for the last 10 years we (stacraft scene) have always considered them foreigners? that's not gonna change because you and a few other people that came here from some random husky video says so.
We make signature, then defense it.
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7474
On June 20 2011 02:03 Thorakh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 02:02 ribboo wrote:
On June 20 2011 02:00 kraut wrote:
are u guys serious about the huk is korean stuff?

do u consider select a korean?
Yes.


Actually I do too. I also consider twilight to be a korean too. If rain gets picked up by a foreign team, he will most likely than not move outside Korea. He is still Korean.

HuK is a foreigner. By your logic, IdrA is more Korean than HuK or Jinro etc. Are you now going to say that IdrA is no more Korean because he is in the US?

End my suffering
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7475
lol at people talking about huk being korean now. what's next, it's bad for esports if ppl think he's canadian?
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7476
In order to be a Korean you have to have risen to prominence in the Korean scene.
In order to be a foreigner you have to have risen to prominence in the foreigner scene.

Pretty simple, no?
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
AtreSamus
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden142 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7477
On June 20 2011 02:03 Sqq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 02:00 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.

Lol he's still a foreigner...


If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean.


Huk is not korean, period.

Are you fucking serious?


Lmao whatever, you can have your own opinion but don't act like what I say is stupid. Huk is a representative of Korea in this tournament, all of his training lately is the result of being part of the Korean Starcraft 2 scene. While he may be a foreigner in the GSL he still brings the Korean playstyle that has influenced him to the foreigner scene. His birthplace is irrelevant to the country he is representing with his play.


He is American born, lives in Canada (and sees himself as a Canadian) , he represents an American team (Team Liquid) and only lives in Korea for the time being. When you watch the GSL with Jinro & HuK, do you not cheer for them because they are foreigners, or do you think "gah no foreigners to cheer for, bunch of Koreans only" ?


Its like saying all football/soccer pros are from whatever country they are currently playing a league in. Wich also would mean that 50% or so of the swedish olympic games hockey team is American/Canadian.

I understand what the OP and his friends means but if we are gonna call E-sport a sport lets not make a difference between this sport and other sports. The Sedin brothers are swedish regardless of what country their club is in. That would make Huk canadian regardless of where he currently is stationed. Like any other sport.
Im as wide as a Mothership. I even cloak children and small objects when I move around.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7478
On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon.

Lol he's still a foreigner...


"He's still a foreigner"...

Why is that even relevant. The only reason we discuss foreigner vs Korea is because of their practice conditions and culture which seems to yield better results.

The only way to make sense of your argument is if you think being of a certain ethnic race allows you to play a video game better. Which I would hope you disagree with.
We talkin about PRACTICE
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7479
meh huk is gonna get knocked out the minute he hits a GSL pro anyway ~~

korea > all
OsC
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada542 Posts
June 19 2011 17:07 GMT
#7480
any have link to updated brackets and which stream is showing what game?

like who is playing who in the playoffs
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