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On June 20 2011 01:59 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 01:58 Klamity wrote:On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? Did you even read his post? Ignorance is really a shame. I read all of it, it still doesn't "pretty much make him a korean" It's stupid bullshit, am i japanese because i lived in Japan for over a year?
You don't get it. It's not the genes of the koreans who are superior, it's their lifestyle and way of training. HuK is living the life of a korean progamer, he's training just as much as they do, and therefore, he should be seen as a korean.
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On June 20 2011 02:00 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? The argument from me and many, many others is that the Korean scene and infrastructure produces better players. No one thinks Koreans have a racial advantage. So it's no surprise that the guy who beats a Korean is the one living and training for the last six months with oGs. He is a Canadian/American national training in the Korean scene. If Select is a foreigner in Sc2 terms then Huk is a Korean.
That's just some new-age bullshit that came with the influx of new starcraft players that came to the scene when SC2 was released.
Rek, Leg, Elky etc. were never considered "koreans" because they lived in Korea, they were always considered foreigners by the SC scene, always have and always will.
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On June 20 2011 02:02 Oscatron wrote:
are playoffs up next?
any have link to updated brackets and which stream is showing what game?
They're deciding the Ro16 brackets next, in 17 minutes.
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On June 20 2011 01:59 ffadicted wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? In SC2 terms when we say koreans we don't mean where they were born. Select isn't per term considered a korean in sc2 world, and HuK is. HuK has been living in korea training with koreans for many months now and for most of his sc2 career. HuK is korean in sc2 terms. Select is not. Select is korean in real world terms. HuK is not. It's not that hard guys D: It's not their place of birth, it's their place of practice. No one is trying to compare who was born with most 1337 sc2 skills, we're trying to compare practice regime
Huk is not Korean, period. The terms foreigner and Korean are carried over from BW. Foreigners who played in Korea were still known as foreigners. Idra lived in a Korean teamhouse. He was still allowed to play in the TSL, a foreigner-only tournament.
You can say Huk is as good as a Korean, or has a Korean playstyle, but he is not classified as a Korean.
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On June 20 2011 02:02 ribboo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:00 kraut wrote:
are u guys serious about the huk is korean stuff? do u consider select a korean? Yes.
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can't believe people are still stuck on race
where you train & play at determines the type of player you are
Huk & Jinro are Korean players because they have lived, played, and trained in Korea for a prolonged amount of time
FXO, Naniwa, & Thorzain should be considered foreigners when they first start participating in GSTL, GSL Code A/S. if they're still in Korea 6+ months, then they should be considered Korean players because it is very likely they have adopted the Korean style of playing/training by then.
Select & dde are Korean but are NA players because that is where they live and play
race means nothing. it's where you live and play that determines the regional player you are
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Why would you want to watch a WoW stream? It takes very little skill to excel at the game.
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On June 20 2011 02:03 Enervate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 01:59 ffadicted wrote:On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? In SC2 terms when we say koreans we don't mean where they were born. Select isn't per term considered a korean in sc2 world, and HuK is. HuK has been living in korea training with koreans for many months now and for most of his sc2 career. HuK is korean in sc2 terms. Select is not. Select is korean in real world terms. HuK is not. It's not that hard guys D: It's not their place of birth, it's their place of practice. No one is trying to compare who was born with most 1337 sc2 skills, we're trying to compare practice regime Huk is not Korean, period. The terms foreigner and Korean are carried over from BW. Foreigners who played in Korea were still known as foreigners. Idra lived in a Korean teamhouse. He was still allowed to play in the TSL, a foreigner-only tournament. You can say Huk is as good as a Korean, or has a Korean playstyle, but he is not classified as a Korean.
Bingo.
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On June 20 2011 02:00 lunchforthesky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? The argument from me and many, many others is that the Korean scene and infrastructure produces better players. No one thinks Koreans have a racial advantage. So it's no surprise that the guy who beats a Korean is the one living and training for the last six months with oGs. He is a Canadian/American national training in the Korean scene. If Select is a foreigner in Sc2 terms then Huk is a Korean.
this is a good point ^^
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On June 20 2011 02:02 antelope591 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 01:59 ffadicted wrote:On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? In SC2 terms when we say koreans we don't mean where they were born. Select isn't per term considered a korean in sc2 world, and HuK is. HuK has been living in korea training with koreans for many months now and for most of his sc2 career. HuK is korean in sc2 terms. Select is not. Select is korean in real world terms. HuK is not. It's not that hard guys D: It's not their place of birth, it's their place of practice. No one is trying to compare who was born with most 1337 sc2 skills, we're trying to compare practice regime Pretty much...its not that hard to understand that your comparing scenes not nationalities. If Huk wins this tourney does it say anything about the strength of the Euro or NA scenes? It just says that Korean training regimen is the best in the world, something we already know.
It would do more than that. HuK hasn't been over there that long, and it would confirm that the top tier foreigners would do very well if they travelled to Korea and trained in those conditions, rather than it being a pointless exercise (like many have been implying who want to just stay in the foreign scene, and not at the highest level of competition).
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On June 20 2011 02:02 haxard wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:00 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? Lmao whatever, you can have your own opinion but don't act like what I say is stupid. Huk is a representative of Korea in this tournament, all of his training lately is the result of being part of the Korean Starcraft 2 scene. While he may be a foreigner in the GSL he still brings the Korean playstyle that has influenced him to the foreigner scene. His birthplace is irrelevant to the country he is representing with his play. why dont you ask huk what country he is representing you idiot
Don't be ignorant. HuK is obviously representing canada, but his skills are korean. This is what we're trying to compare. It's not who was born where, it's who practices where. Not that hard of a concept to grasp
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On June 20 2011 02:03 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:02 ribboo wrote:On June 20 2011 02:00 kraut wrote:
are u guys serious about the huk is korean stuff? do u consider select a korean? Yes.
What if he gets US citizenship?
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On June 20 2011 02:01 KobraKay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 01:54 Latham wrote:On June 20 2011 01:52 andis35 wrote:On June 20 2011 01:50 Bobble wrote:On June 20 2011 01:49 andis35 wrote:
if sjow wins and thorzain wins isnt it a 3 way tie? I heard Sjow and three way tie. That brings back awful memories... that was awesome :D . they played 4 additional rounds iirc  I stayed up to watch it ^_^ it was glorious! I remember reading about that tie break but dont remember watching....was it worse than the 3way tie with EffOrt in the OSL a few seasons ago? And if someone with bw memory skills remembers that one...that wasnt the OSL effort won right? That would be amazing since the tie breaks only happened because of a rematch that was sketchy with some not working mouse controversy ^^
lol it was as far as i remember a 3 round tie, it wasn't as grave as the effort shine and ggplay (i think?) tie.
but it was still hilarious
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On June 20 2011 02:03 Enervate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 01:59 ffadicted wrote:On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? In SC2 terms when we say koreans we don't mean where they were born. Select isn't per term considered a korean in sc2 world, and HuK is. HuK has been living in korea training with koreans for many months now and for most of his sc2 career. HuK is korean in sc2 terms. Select is not. Select is korean in real world terms. HuK is not. It's not that hard guys D: It's not their place of birth, it's their place of practice. No one is trying to compare who was born with most 1337 sc2 skills, we're trying to compare practice regime Huk is not Korean, period. The terms foreigner and Korean are carried over from BW. Foreigners who played in Korea were still known as foreigners. Idra lived in a Korean teamhouse. He was still allowed to play in the TSL, a foreigner-only tournament. You can say Huk is as good as a Korean, or has a Korean playstyle, but he is not classified as a Korean.
"He was still allowed to play in the TSL, a foreigner-only tournament"
what?
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On June 20 2011 02:02 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. He's a foreigner competing in Korea, man. He's no more Korean than Cristiano Ronaldo was English. Don't be silly. A Korean lost to a foreigner, and I suspect that's the only reason anyone is pressing that point because it violates the world view of Koreans being completely invincible - even the worst one, as so many have been so loud about calling Moon, one of the best WC3 players ever. Redefining his citizenship is not going to make him any less of a foreigner :p
It's an important question because a lot of people treat Select as a North American player, not a Korean player. By virtue of that, Huk should also be treated as a Korean player. You could be consistent in saying that then Select is a Korean, and not a foreigner. But that isn't the way most people act. I'm not saying you are necessarily inconsistent, just that the nature of the debate seems to be inconsistent.
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Hope sen wins this. He's gotta be a top 5 foreigner but seems to always be forgotten. It's his time to shine.
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On June 20 2011 02:02 youngminii wrote:if you guys are bored or have nothing to do for now check out tb's stream for wow, he's doing it really noob friendly ('cause well, he's a noob now since he's quit wow for a while) and he's streaming a top guild raiding for fun http://www.justin.tv/totalbiscuit#/w/1357563856
thanks
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On June 20 2011 02:03 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 02:00 lunchforthesky wrote:On June 20 2011 01:57 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 01:56 Heavenly wrote:On June 20 2011 01:53 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 01:42 Xpace wrote:
A Korean lost to a non-Korean? Since when is HuK non-Korean? Sure he looks like a white guy and carries a Canadian passport, but in Starcraft 2 context, he's as Korean as it gets - oGs house training, copying MC's Godlike builds, his skills vastly improving because of GSL... I'm pretty sure he now prefers kimchi over bacon. Lol he's still a foreigner... If you live with Koreans, train with Koreans, and use the builds of Koreans why would you be considered a foreigner? The difference between Koreans and foreigners is their approach to Starcraft 2, not their race. Huk is pretty much a Korean. Huk is not korean, period. Are you fucking serious? The argument from me and many, many others is that the Korean scene and infrastructure produces better players. No one thinks Koreans have a racial advantage. So it's no surprise that the guy who beats a Korean is the one living and training for the last six months with oGs. He is a Canadian/American national training in the Korean scene. If Select is a foreigner in Sc2 terms then Huk is a Korean. That's just some new-age bullshit that came with the influx of new starcraft players that came to the scene when SC2 was released. Rek, Leg, Elky etc. were never considered "koreans" because they lived in Korea, they were always considered foreigners by the SC scene, always have and always will.
Go figure, new game, new age, new mindset. Are you TRYING to be dense?
Those guys also never full integrated into a Korean house on the same level as Huk. The only similarity is those guys all aren't Korean citizens.
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On June 20 2011 02:03 Fleebenworth wrote:
Why would you want to watch a WoW stream? It takes very little skill to excel at the game.
Why would you complain about it instead of just not watching it?
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