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mandazi
Profile Joined November 2010
United States9 Posts
June 21 2011 23:51 GMT
#61
What happens if NASL doesn't get 1024 players?
ChrysaliS_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States261 Posts
June 21 2011 23:52 GMT
#62
Xeris PLEASE tell me you will seed this thing properly so two huge names don't hit each other in ro16 or earlier? Fuck that up and you basically fuck up your image and Season 2.
Chrysalis.145
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
June 21 2011 23:52 GMT
#63
On June 22 2011 08:51 mandazi wrote:
What happens if NASL doesn't get 1024 players?

there will probably be byes then
LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 21 2011 23:54 GMT
#64
On June 22 2011 08:14 Kyamo wrote:
I assumed the reason for the daytime weekday schedule was because the NASL casters and staff work daytime weekday hours. If that's true, its a decent reason even if it sucks for many players. You gotta do what you gotta do to get it organised.

If that isn't true, and you're going with this reason:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 06:00 Xeris wrote:
Also, you say that the times are "unreasonable," but I'd argue that it's the most reasonable for the most amount of people. Any time later would be unreasonable for Europeans and Koreans. This time is pretty decent for Europeans, not too early/late for USA, and still bad for Koreans.


In that case I completely disagree with you. Obviously there is no time that can work for everyone all over the world, so some groups have to be prioritised. I would argue that this is the NASL and you should be picking a time which works for the majority of NA people. IMO, 1pm is not such a time. Almost everyone who is not already supporting themselves off of SC2 is either working or in school. And most people who are working or in school are busy at 1 pm. Evenings or weekends is when most people can play.

If you guys are serious about wanting a serious league of really skilled players, you are going to need good quality players in your qualifying tournament, so you should make efforts to make sure that good quality players who want to play can play. Nobody wants to see someone qualify who doesn't have the skill to compete with the other NASL players. Watching matches where one player is way better than the other is boring and isn't going to attract viewers.


a) "Most people who are working or in school are busy at 1pm" -- most pro players don't work or go to school. Therefore, if your argument is that the best players should play, then the 1pm start time won't affect anything at all.

b) If we're serious about getting the best players, then we need a time that's good for Europeans and not too bad for Koreans. 1pm is a perfect slot for that.

Everything you said in your post contradicts itself.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 22 2011 01:39 GMT
#65
Quick question: Why two qualifiers (Open and Season 2)? Why not just have one qualifier and take the top 16 people, while advancing the top player to the sweet 16 of season 1?

Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2010 Posts
June 22 2011 01:51 GMT
#66
WOW Alicia awesome! He will own it up I have no doubt.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Teim
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia373 Posts
June 22 2011 02:27 GMT
#67
Almost tempted to sign up just so I can get a shot at being destroyed by a top level Korean. :D
A duck is a duck!
Disquiet
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 03:41:00
June 22 2011 03:40 GMT
#68
On June 22 2011 03:40 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 03:09 MoreFaSho wrote:
I would like to post my criticism of the 1pm time. I get and appreciate that the 1pm time does discourage the participation of people who are not currently "pro-gamers", however I think this is misguided. NASL is effectively suggesting in this logic that a person should quit their current job before interviewing for another job.

Many top players would be full-time gamers if they had financial support and they might be able to get financial support if their name was going to be front ant center in a big league such as the NASL. However, the NASL participation comes first, the big team signing comes second and the change to being a pro-gamer comes last. NASL has asked players to do things backwards and I think this might encourage irresponsibility on the part of potential pro-gamers.


That's right. Nony explained it one time on state of the game
You become a progamer not by quitting everything and training 24/7 suddenly. You become a progamer by putting all of your free time into gaming without dropping anything else. If you can compete with the best players despite not being full time, you might want to consider going "all-in."

And I think NASL should adjust itself to follow the words of tyler, as this is the north AMERICAN star league and tyler is everything that is American.

So I think that discouraging non full time players from north america, this is kind of nasl shooting itself in the foot

Pfft screw your patriotism I want to see the best players regardless of where they come from.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
June 22 2011 03:50 GMT
#69
On June 22 2011 10:39 Defacer wrote:
Quick question: Why two qualifiers (Open and Season 2)? Why not just have one qualifier and take the top 16 people, while advancing the top player to the sweet 16 of season 1?



I'm not Xeris but I imagine two things

1) People who got eliminated in NASL this season can't attempt to requalify for Finals via the Open.

2) You'll get better players this way. If MMA flukes out and is eliminated in RO64 in the Open, still has a chance to enter via Season 2. (Of course MMA isn't doing the Open for whatever reason). If you wanted to take it to the extreme, 16 tournaments with only the winner advancing would produce the best results (or have the probability of producing the best results), but would be time-inefficient.
onedayclose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1145 Posts
June 22 2011 03:50 GMT
#70
On June 20 2011 09:28 Tyrr wrote:
What happens if all 16 spots from the open tournament and the qualifying tournament end up being Koreans? hahaha :D


Then NASL will be doomed FOREVER!!!
onedayclose
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1145 Posts
June 22 2011 03:53 GMT
#71
On June 22 2011 04:51 dani` wrote:
Excellent, many SlayerS players have signed up:

SlayersAlicia shortstuff.591
SlayerSCella SlayerSCella.233
SlayersMMA MAVENGENCE561
slayersRyung Zerg267


What's the prize pool for Season 2? If I had to pay an entry fee (yeah $5 is nothing but still), I would like to know how much I can win.


Prize pool is exactly the same as season one.
Ansalem
Profile Joined November 2010
564 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-22 05:12:36
June 22 2011 05:01 GMT
#72
Hmm looks like TSL's JYP, Clide, Puma, and Heart have signed up.

Edit: Revival now also.
Editedit: They apparently being signed up one at a time at this moment. Alive now also. o_o
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 22 2011 05:22 GMT
#73
Yep! =D
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
June 22 2011 05:27 GMT
#74
WOWOWOW I want Clide in Season 2.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
quiong
Profile Joined January 2008
United States268 Posts
June 22 2011 05:40 GMT
#75
Any comment or speculation as to why so few players have signed up? Can't imagine that its the entry fee as the season 1 open bracket had 2x the entry fee and more signups.
starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
June 22 2011 05:45 GMT
#76
On June 22 2011 04:51 dani` wrote:
Excellent, many SlayerS players have signed up:

SlayersAlicia shortstuff.591
SlayerSCella SlayerSCella.233
SlayersMMA MAVENGENCE561
slayersRyung Zerg267


What's the prize pool for Season 2? If I had to pay an entry fee (yeah $5 is nothing but still), I would like to know how much I can win.


Are you sure these are real? I added Mavengence and he was doing some 3v3 and is platinum 1v1 w/ an awful record.
Disquiet
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia628 Posts
June 22 2011 06:40 GMT
#77
On June 22 2011 14:45 starcraft911 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 04:51 dani` wrote:
Excellent, many SlayerS players have signed up:

SlayersAlicia shortstuff.591
SlayerSCella SlayerSCella.233
SlayersMMA MAVENGENCE561
slayersRyung Zerg267


What's the prize pool for Season 2? If I had to pay an entry fee (yeah $5 is nothing but still), I would like to know how much I can win.


Are you sure these are real? I added Mavengence and he was doing some 3v3 and is platinum 1v1 w/ an awful record.

Probably a borrowed account or something.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 22 2011 06:50 GMT
#78
gogogogo CLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEE! (hankyujong)
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
June 22 2011 16:27 GMT
#79
On June 22 2011 08:54 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2011 08:14 Kyamo wrote:
I assumed the reason for the daytime weekday schedule was because the NASL casters and staff work daytime weekday hours. If that's true, its a decent reason even if it sucks for many players. You gotta do what you gotta do to get it organised.

If that isn't true, and you're going with this reason:
On June 22 2011 06:00 Xeris wrote:
Also, you say that the times are "unreasonable," but I'd argue that it's the most reasonable for the most amount of people. Any time later would be unreasonable for Europeans and Koreans. This time is pretty decent for Europeans, not too early/late for USA, and still bad for Koreans.


In that case I completely disagree with you. Obviously there is no time that can work for everyone all over the world, so some groups have to be prioritised. I would argue that this is the NASL and you should be picking a time which works for the majority of NA people. IMO, 1pm is not such a time. Almost everyone who is not already supporting themselves off of SC2 is either working or in school. And most people who are working or in school are busy at 1 pm. Evenings or weekends is when most people can play.

If you guys are serious about wanting a serious league of really skilled players, you are going to need good quality players in your qualifying tournament, so you should make efforts to make sure that good quality players who want to play can play. Nobody wants to see someone qualify who doesn't have the skill to compete with the other NASL players. Watching matches where one player is way better than the other is boring and isn't going to attract viewers.


a) "Most people who are working or in school are busy at 1pm" -- most pro players don't work or go to school. Therefore, if your argument is that the best players should play, then the 1pm start time won't affect anything at all.

b) If we're serious about getting the best players, then we need a time that's good for Europeans and not too bad for Koreans. 1pm is a perfect slot for that.

Everything you said in your post contradicts itself.


Aren't open tourneys supposed to attract amateurs, not pros? -________________-

Your attitude here disturbs me, Xeris. The idea that you won't acknowledge criticism unless we also offer a solution is so weird. People criticize ----> NASL takes criticism and fixes problem. It's up to NASL to be a good tourney in people's eyes, and figure out how to do that. I'd argue if people are having problems with your tourney it's up to you to figure out how to make it better, not call troll or "fire-starter" everyone offers a critique of the scheduling (which I find very valid in this case).
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
June 22 2011 17:10 GMT
#80
Nope, open tournaments are supposed to attract pros and not celebreties.
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