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On June 13 2011 20:10 Pipeline wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:05 Adreme wrote:On June 13 2011 20:02 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 Happy Frog wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? .... Do you watch the games or just read the results well i see Polt vs TOP for the final spot i think my point stands It really doesnt when one side of the bracket is easier than the other side of the backet. Its a problem with the super tournament format. Its GomTVs fault for having a billion terrans and so skewed brackets. Winning the super tournament is in my opinion is NOT equal to winning Code S. It should not be possible to go through a GSL tournament of only TvTs. Not to bash MMA, but if he wins the entire thing it wont feel like a real winner. In my opinion you need to win in all match ups to be crowned as champion. But then again, its not MMAs fault, it is 100% on GomTV
Wait so its mmas fault for being badass?
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Polt has improved so much lol.
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On June 13 2011 20:15 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2011 20:11 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:09 Witten wrote:On June 13 2011 20:02 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 Happy Frog wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? .... Do you watch the games or just read the results well i see Polt vs TOP for the final spot i think my point stands Wow trolling hard. If you've watched any of Polt's games (other than the MAKA series lol) he's looked phenomenal. And TOP beat Nestea completely legitimately. Are you mad that the Heat lost the NBA finals too because they are better on paper? Basketball is a 5 man team game. Heat had 2 good players. Dallas had 3. uhhh,LeBron Wade and Bosh....thats 3. lebron and wade. that's 2.
you mean wade and bosh.
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On June 13 2011 20:16 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I just have a quick question that has been bugging me for some time.
What do the numbers next to the names mean? Like, TOP has a T4 next to it, and Polt has T18 as far as I can tell (LQ stream ftw). I imagine the Ts stand for Terran, but what are the numbers?
its a 4 and a 10. spawn locations based on a 12 hour clock.
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On June 13 2011 20:16 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I just have a quick question that has been bugging me for some time.
What do the numbers next to the names mean? Like, TOP has a T4 next to it, and Polt has T18 as far as I can tell (LQ stream ftw). I imagine the Ts stand for Terran, but what are the numbers?
It is the o'clock position they have spawned in on the map.
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On June 13 2011 20:15 MechKing wrote:
This thread really slowed down. It saddens me seeing people underrate both top and polt.
I agree, they're both highly underrated
But neither have the rockstar charm of either MMA or MKP
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On June 13 2011 20:15 MechKing wrote:
This thread really slowed down. It saddens me seeing people underrate both top and polt.
True, people really shouldn't count out TOP or Polt at all. Not to mention I would argue both TOP and Polt may be stronger at TvT than either MMA or MKP.
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On June 13 2011 20:15 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:14 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:13 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:13 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:12 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:11 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:09 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:08 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:07 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:06 youngminii wrote:Game 1 StartPolt V TOPCurrent score: 0-0 Map: Bel'Shir Beach  Polt at 10 o'clock TOP at 4 o'clock 2:00Both players going for a Rax/gas opening. 3:30A Factory dropped for both players at the exact same time. 4:30A CC just started for Polt, both players making Hellions, a Reactor on Polt's Factory. 6:30Starport started for both players. TOP attacking Polt with his Marines and Hellions and with some nice control kills off all of Polt's army, TOP runs away with a single Marine and a Hellion left. TOP making a CC himself while Polt is making a Banshee. 8:00Polt getting his expansion up and running while TOP trying to fend off Hellion harass and Banshee harass. Polt's Banshee has 12 kills and TOP has no Marines left, only 2 Tanks and 22 SCVs. 9:30A Viking finally comes out for TOP and kills off the Banshee (there was no cloak) but now the SCV counts are 32 for Polt to 20 for TOP. TOP gets his expansion up and running. 10:30TOP almost 30 supply behind Polt. Polt sends his army across the map about to attack TOP. 11:30TOP didn't have siege so Polt was able to get his Tanks in range of TOP's OC. TOP's single Viking has air dominance so TOP repels Polt's Tanks. 13:00Both players moving their map around the map, Polt already sieges up at TOP's natural and TOP moves back to stop this but takes too many hits from Polt's Tanks. Polt gets cleaned up but TOP loses a ton of SCVs. 48 SCVs for Polt against 24 for TOP.
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TOP trying to drop only 4 Marines but Polt has a Marine that scouts it. Polt then tries to intercept the drop with his Marines but misses it. The 4 Marines can't do anything though so TOP gets repelled. TOP drops Polt's newly established 3rd though and makes him lift his OC for a few seconds.
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On June 13 2011 20:11 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:09 Witten wrote:On June 13 2011 20:02 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 Happy Frog wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? .... Do you watch the games or just read the results well i see Polt vs TOP for the final spot i think my point stands Wow trolling hard. If you've watched any of Polt's games (other than the MAKA series lol) he's looked phenomenal. And TOP beat Nestea completely legitimately. Are you mad that the Heat lost the NBA finals too because they are better on paper? Basketball is a 5 man team game. Heat had 2 good players. Dallas had 3.
that explains a lot
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On June 13 2011 20:16 Ysellian wrote:
Polt has improved so much lol.
Finishing up his studies has done a lot for his game.
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On June 13 2011 20:16 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I just have a quick question that has been bugging me for some time.
What do the numbers next to the names mean? Like, TOP has a T4 next to it, and Polt has T18 as far as I can tell (LQ stream ftw). I imagine the Ts stand for Terran, but what are the numbers?
they refer to the location in which they spawned
if you put a clock over the minimap the numbers mean where the hand would be on the clock
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On June 13 2011 20:15 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:07 Tachion wrote:On June 13 2011 20:04 TheKefka wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? Its funny to me people consider MKP in the rank of Nestea. Maybe I'm blind but i don't really see what all this fuss around MKP is about. MKP is good at timing attacks,base trades and doing gimmicky builds. I could name at least 5 terrans that are better imo. He basically invented, or at least popularized marine splitting, akin to how July popularized Muta stacking in SC1. He's still going to be getting credit for revolutionizing that part of the game even in 10 years. He may have done it first in a GSL match but i really doubt he was the one that "invented marine splits".)
I'd say being the first to do it on Live TV in the highest level of professional play earns him some credit for at least bringing it to "the masses".
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On June 13 2011 20:15 Moonwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:13 dukethegold wrote:On June 13 2011 20:10 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On June 13 2011 20:07 Tachion wrote:On June 13 2011 20:04 TheKefka wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? Its funny to me people consider MKP in the rank of Nestea. Maybe I'm blind but i don't really see what all this fuss around MKP is about. MKP is good at timing attacks,base trades and doing gimmicky builds. I could name at least 5 terrans that are better imo. He basically invented, or at least popularized marine splitting, akin to how July popularized Muta stacking in SC1. He's still going to be getting credit for revolutionizing that part of the game even in 10 years. Except July ACTUALLY invented mutastacking. People would have split their marines sooner or later. MarineKing happened to do it sooner. Umm...Nope. July popularized it. His teammate Shark invented Mutastacking. MKP was responsible for popularizing it. MVP used it first, but he lost. MKP's series against Zenio was the first time that Marine micro was truly demonstrated in astonishing effectiveness. I thought it was MKP vs Kyrix on Shakuras Plateau where everyone was in disbelief at marines beating banelings with crazy splits and micro.
They were, MVP showcased some good splits vs Zenio in earlier rounds of that tournament but ultimately lost the series. MKP then blew everyone away with his control vs Kyrix.
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This game is looking good for Polt so far =)
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On June 13 2011 20:16 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:16 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I just have a quick question that has been bugging me for some time.
What do the numbers next to the names mean? Like, TOP has a T4 next to it, and Polt has T18 as far as I can tell (LQ stream ftw). I imagine the Ts stand for Terran, but what are the numbers? its a 4 and a 10. spawn locations based on a 12 hour clock.
That makes sense. Thanks.
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The Marine splitting "invention" is more similar to Maynarding than Mutalisk stacking really. It's like this obvious thing that people would have figured out soon enough anyway and become good at it.
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On June 13 2011 20:16 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I just have a quick question that has been bugging me for some time.
What do the numbers next to the names mean? Like, TOP has a T4 next to it, and Polt has T18 as far as I can tell (LQ stream ftw). I imagine the Ts stand for Terran, but what are the numbers?
Its the position of their main on the map (clock face directions) and the letter is the race.
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On June 13 2011 20:17 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:15 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:14 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:13 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:13 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:12 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:11 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:09 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:08 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:07 youngminii wrote:
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Both players going for a Rax/gas opening. 3:30A Factory dropped for both players at the exact same time. 4:30A CC just started for Polt, both players making Hellions, a Reactor on Polt's Factory. 6:30Starport started for both players. TOP attacking Polt with his Marines and Hellions and with some nice control kills off all of Polt's army, TOP runs away with a single Marine and a Hellion left. TOP making a CC himself while Polt is making a Banshee. 8:00Polt getting his expansion up and running while TOP trying to fend off Hellion harass and Banshee harass. Polt's Banshee has 12 kills and TOP has no Marines left, only 2 Tanks and 22 SCVs. 9:30A Viking finally comes out for TOP and kills off the Banshee (there was no cloak) but now the SCV counts are 32 for Polt to 20 for TOP. TOP gets his expansion up and running. 10:30TOP almost 30 supply behind Polt. Polt sends his army across the map about to attack TOP. 11:30TOP didn't have siege so Polt was able to get his Tanks in range of TOP's OC. TOP's single Viking has air dominance so TOP repels Polt's Tanks. 13:00Both players moving their map around the map, Polt already sieges up at TOP's natural and TOP moves back to stop this but takes too many hits from Polt's Tanks. Polt gets cleaned up but TOP loses a ton of SCVs. 48 SCVs for Polt against 24 for TOP. 15:00TOP trying to drop only 4 Marines but Polt has a Marine that scouts it. Polt then tries to intercept the drop with his Marines but misses it. The 4 Marines can't do anything though so TOP gets repelled. TOP drops Polt's newly established 3rd though and makes him lift his OC for a few seconds.
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TOP tries to drop 8 Marines into Polt's natural but gets sniped when trying to retreat. Both players moving their armies and are about to collide in the middle of the map.
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On June 13 2011 20:16 Alkior wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:10 Pipeline wrote:On June 13 2011 20:05 Adreme wrote:On June 13 2011 20:02 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 Happy Frog wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? .... Do you watch the games or just read the results well i see Polt vs TOP for the final spot i think my point stands It really doesnt when one side of the bracket is easier than the other side of the backet. Its a problem with the super tournament format. Its GomTVs fault for having a billion terrans and so skewed brackets. Winning the super tournament is in my opinion is NOT equal to winning Code S. It should not be possible to go through a GSL tournament of only TvTs. Not to bash MMA, but if he wins the entire thing it wont feel like a real winner. In my opinion you need to win in all match ups to be crowned as champion. But then again, its not MMAs fault, it is 100% on GomTV Wait so its mmas fault for being badass?
Well Zero has played a ton of ZvZs to get where he is in BW...
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On June 13 2011 20:16 akalarry wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:15 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:On June 13 2011 20:11 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:09 Witten wrote:On June 13 2011 20:02 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 Happy Frog wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? .... Do you watch the games or just read the results well i see Polt vs TOP for the final spot i think my point stands Wow trolling hard. If you've watched any of Polt's games (other than the MAKA series lol) he's looked phenomenal. And TOP beat Nestea completely legitimately. Are you mad that the Heat lost the NBA finals too because they are better on paper? Basketball is a 5 man team game. Heat had 2 good players. Dallas had 3. uhhh,LeBron Wade and Bosh....thats 3. lebron and wade. that's 2. you mean wade and bosh.
no we're listing skilled players. so Lebron and Wade.
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God why did NesTea have to play so bad in his match vs top, I wanted MMA vs Nestea so much.
Great game from both players though, was on the edge of my seat for those matches. Game 5 MMA was just playing so godly, had MKP on lockdown so hard. It was just an artform on how well he played. Poor MKP looked crushed
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