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On June 13 2011 20:10 Pipeline wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:05 Adreme wrote:On June 13 2011 20:02 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 Happy Frog wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? .... Do you watch the games or just read the results well i see Polt vs TOP for the final spot i think my point stands It really doesnt when one side of the bracket is easier than the other side of the backet. Its a problem with the super tournament format. Its GomTVs fault for having a billion terrans and so skewed brackets. Winning the super tournament is in my opinion NOT equal to winning Code S. It should not be possible to go threw a GSL tournament of only TvTs. Not to bash MMA, but if he wins the entire thing it wont feel like a real winner. In my opinion you need to win in all match ups to be crowned as champion. But then again, its not MMAs fault, it is 100% on GomTV
The alternative, which is rigging the bracket, is much worse. Also it could be so much worse, it could be Inca winning the super tournament playing only PvP.
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On June 13 2011 20:12 qazadex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:10 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On June 13 2011 20:07 Tachion wrote:On June 13 2011 20:04 TheKefka wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? Its funny to me people consider MKP in the rank of Nestea. Maybe I'm blind but i don't really see what all this fuss around MKP is about. MKP is good at timing attacks,base trades and doing gimmicky builds. I could name at least 5 terrans that are better imo. He basically invented, or at least popularized marine splitting, akin to how July popularized Muta stacking in SC1. He's still going to be getting credit for revolutionizing that part of the game even in 10 years. Except July ACTUALLY invented mutastacking. People would have split their marines sooner or later. MarineKing happened to do it sooner. People would have stacked their muta's sooner or later as well...
I always thought Shark invented muta stacking?
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On June 13 2011 20:12 qazadex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:10 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On June 13 2011 20:07 Tachion wrote:On June 13 2011 20:04 TheKefka wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? Its funny to me people consider MKP in the rank of Nestea. Maybe I'm blind but i don't really see what all this fuss around MKP is about. MKP is good at timing attacks,base trades and doing gimmicky builds. I could name at least 5 terrans that are better imo. He basically invented, or at least popularized marine splitting, akin to how July popularized Muta stacking in SC1. He's still going to be getting credit for revolutionizing that part of the game even in 10 years. Except July ACTUALLY invented mutastacking. People would have split their marines sooner or later. MarineKing happened to do it sooner. People would have stacked their muta's sooner or later as well...
Exactly, everything would be done sooner or later. MKP was the first to popularize marine splitting so Tachion is right.
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On June 13 2011 20:09 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:07 Tachion wrote:On June 13 2011 20:04 TheKefka wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? Its funny to me people consider MKP in the rank of Nestea. Maybe I'm blind but i don't really see what all this fuss around MKP is about. MKP is good at timing attacks,base trades and doing gimmicky builds. I could name at least 5 terrans that are better imo. He basically invented, or at least popularized marine splitting, akin to how July popularized Muta stacking in SC1. He's still going to be getting credit for revolutionizing that part of the game even in 10 years. I seem to remember MVP showing the marine split first vs Zenio on Jungle Basin.
From what I remember, he had pre-split his marines while attacking Zenio's expansions. It wasn't until Kyrix vs MKP that we saw him do it on the spot vs banelings.
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TOP probably has slightly better mechanics but I think Polt the professor terran is going to be too smart for him
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On June 13 2011 20:13 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:13 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:12 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:11 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:09 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:08 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:07 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:06 youngminii wrote:Game 1 StartPolt V TOPCurrent score: 0-0 Map: Bel'Shir Beach  Polt at 10 o'clock TOP at 4 o'clock 2:00Both players going for a Rax/gas opening. 3:30A Factory dropped for both players at the exact same time. 4:30A CC just started for Polt, both players making Hellions, a Reactor on Polt's Factory. 6:30Starport started for both players. TOP attacking Polt with his Marines and Hellions and with some nice control kills off all of Polt's army, TOP runs away with a single Marine and a Hellion left. TOP making a CC himself while Polt is making a Banshee. 8:00Polt getting his expansion up and running while TOP trying to fend off Hellion harass and Banshee harass. Polt's Banshee has 12 kills and TOP has no Marines left, only 2 Tanks and 22 SCVs. 9:30A Viking finally comes out for TOP and kills off the Banshee (there was no cloak) but now the SCV counts are 32 for Polt to 20 for TOP. TOP gets his expansion up and running. 10:30TOP almost 30 supply behind Polt. Polt sends his army across the map about to attack TOP.
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TOP didn't have siege so Polt was able to get his Tanks in range of TOP's OC. TOP's single Viking has air dominance so TOP repels Polt's Tanks.
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On June 13 2011 20:13 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:10 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On June 13 2011 20:07 Tachion wrote:On June 13 2011 20:04 TheKefka wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? Its funny to me people consider MKP in the rank of Nestea. Maybe I'm blind but i don't really see what all this fuss around MKP is about. MKP is good at timing attacks,base trades and doing gimmicky builds. I could name at least 5 terrans that are better imo. He basically invented, or at least popularized marine splitting, akin to how July popularized Muta stacking in SC1. He's still going to be getting credit for revolutionizing that part of the game even in 10 years. Except July ACTUALLY invented mutastacking. People would have split their marines sooner or later. MarineKing happened to do it sooner. Umm...Nope. July popularized it. His teammate Shark invented Mutastacking. MKP was responsible for popularizing it. MVP used it first, but he lost. MKP's series against Zenio was the first time that Marine micro was truly demonstrated in astonishing effectiveness.
I think it was mkp vs kyrix >.> but your point still stands. (am i remembering it correctly? i think it was kyrix style vs mkp's insane marine micro that made the series insanely entertaining )
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On June 13 2011 20:10 Pipeline wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:05 Adreme wrote:On June 13 2011 20:02 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 Happy Frog wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? .... Do you watch the games or just read the results well i see Polt vs TOP for the final spot i think my point stands It really doesnt when one side of the bracket is easier than the other side of the backet. Its a problem with the super tournament format. Its GomTVs fault for having a billion terrans and so skewed brackets. Winning the super tournament is in my opinion is NOT equal to winning Code S. It should not be possible to go through a GSL tournament of only TvTs. Not to bash MMA, but if he wins the entire thing it wont feel like a real winner. In my opinion you need to win in all match ups to be crowned as champion. But then again, its not MMAs fault, it is 100% on GomTV
Wait. It's GomTV's fault that terrans won? Are you serious? MMA would've faced other players if the terrans hadn't won. It's not like MMA could ONLY face terrans. GomTV did the brackets in a way that the top seeds wouldn't knock each other out early on. Think before you touch a keyboard ever again please.
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On June 13 2011 20:13 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:10 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On June 13 2011 20:07 Tachion wrote:On June 13 2011 20:04 TheKefka wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? Its funny to me people consider MKP in the rank of Nestea. Maybe I'm blind but i don't really see what all this fuss around MKP is about. MKP is good at timing attacks,base trades and doing gimmicky builds. I could name at least 5 terrans that are better imo. He basically invented, or at least popularized marine splitting, akin to how July popularized Muta stacking in SC1. He's still going to be getting credit for revolutionizing that part of the game even in 10 years. Except July ACTUALLY invented mutastacking. People would have split their marines sooner or later. MarineKing happened to do it sooner. Umm...Nope. July popularized it. His teammate Shark invented Mutastacking. MKP was responsible for popularizing it. MVP used it first, but he lost. MKP's series against Zenio was the first time that Marine micro was truly demonstrated in astonishing effectiveness.
I thought it was his match vs Kyrix? Back then he used the tag: BoxeR...
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On June 13 2011 20:07 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:04 TheKefka wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? Its funny to me people consider MKP in the rank of Nestea. Maybe I'm blind but i don't really see what all this fuss around MKP is about. MKP is good at timing attacks,base trades and doing gimmicky builds. I could name at least 5 terrans that are better imo. He basically invented, or at least popularized marine splitting, akin to how July popularized Muta stacking in SC1. He's still going to be getting credit for revolutionizing that part of the game even in 10 years.
He may have done it first in a GSL match but i really doubt he was the one that "invented marine splits".He made it look cool (against Kyrex was it?) because he made a apsurd amount of marines against banelings and people were caught off guard by that.
Its really only stylistic and more of a "brand thing" that made him famous,but people figured him out and when he tried to go more diverse builds he got owned.
I'm not saying hes a bad played but he gets too much credit for his play.
And hes no where near July(even tho i know that wasn't your point)
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On June 13 2011 20:13 dukethegold wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:10 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On June 13 2011 20:07 Tachion wrote:On June 13 2011 20:04 TheKefka wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? Its funny to me people consider MKP in the rank of Nestea. Maybe I'm blind but i don't really see what all this fuss around MKP is about. MKP is good at timing attacks,base trades and doing gimmicky builds. I could name at least 5 terrans that are better imo. He basically invented, or at least popularized marine splitting, akin to how July popularized Muta stacking in SC1. He's still going to be getting credit for revolutionizing that part of the game even in 10 years. Except July ACTUALLY invented mutastacking. People would have split their marines sooner or later. MarineKing happened to do it sooner. Umm...Nope. July popularized it. His teammate Shark invented Mutastacking. MKP was responsible for popularizing it. MVP used it first, but he lost. MKP's series against Zenio was the first time that Marine micro was truly demonstrated in astonishing effectiveness.
I thought it was MKP vs Kyrix on Shakuras Plateau where everyone was in disbelief at marines beating banelings with crazy splits and micro.
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On June 13 2011 20:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:11 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:09 Witten wrote:On June 13 2011 20:02 eggs wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 Happy Frog wrote:On June 13 2011 20:00 eggs wrote:
Nestea gone, now MKP.
when will SC2 be a skill-based RTS? .... Do you watch the games or just read the results well i see Polt vs TOP for the final spot i think my point stands Wow trolling hard. If you've watched any of Polt's games (other than the MAKA series lol) he's looked phenomenal. And TOP beat Nestea completely legitimately. Are you mad that the Heat lost the NBA finals too because they are better on paper? Basketball is a 5 man team game. Heat had 2 good players. Dallas had 3. uhhh,LeBron Wade and Bosh....thats 3.
lebron and wade. that's 2.
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This thread really slowed down. It saddens me seeing people underrate both top and polt.
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On June 13 2011 20:14 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2011 20:13 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:13 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:12 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:11 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:09 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:08 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:07 youngminii wrote:On June 13 2011 20:06 youngminii wrote:Game 1 StartPolt V TOPCurrent score: 0-0 Map: Bel'Shir Beach Polt at 10 o'clock TOP at 4 o'clock 2:00Both players going for a Rax/gas opening. 3:30A Factory dropped for both players at the exact same time. 4:30A CC just started for Polt, both players making Hellions, a Reactor on Polt's Factory. 6:30Starport started for both players. TOP attacking Polt with his Marines and Hellions and with some nice control kills off all of Polt's army, TOP runs away with a single Marine and a Hellion left. TOP making a CC himself while Polt is making a Banshee. 8:00Polt getting his expansion up and running while TOP trying to fend off Hellion harass and Banshee harass. Polt's Banshee has 12 kills and TOP has no Marines left, only 2 Tanks and 22 SCVs. 9:30A Viking finally comes out for TOP and kills off the Banshee (there was no cloak) but now the SCV counts are 32 for Polt to 20 for TOP. TOP gets his expansion up and running. 10:30TOP almost 30 supply behind Polt. Polt sends his army across the map about to attack TOP. 11:30TOP didn't have siege so Polt was able to get his Tanks in range of TOP's OC. TOP's single Viking has air dominance so TOP repels Polt's Tanks.
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Both players moving their map around the map, Polt already sieges up at TOP's natural and TOP moves back to stop this but takes too many hits from Polt's Tanks. Polt gets cleaned up but TOP loses a ton of SCVs.
48 SCVs for Polt against 24 for TOP.
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polt is a beast. will win against MMA too
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Polt is so far ahead right now, pull it back TOP.
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I just have a quick question that has been bugging me for some time.
What do the numbers next to the names mean? Like, TOP has a T4 next to it, and Polt has T18 as far as I can tell (LQ stream ftw). I imagine the Ts stand for Terran, but what are the numbers?
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Polt always win and his opponent always play badly.
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On June 13 2011 20:15 CEPEHDREI wrote:
polt is a beast. will win against MMA too
avenge his team-mate!
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EPT
