EPTIt is a tiny barrier to weed out people who are less than 1% serious about trying to qualify.
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
It is a tiny barrier to weed out people who are less than 1% serious about trying to qualify. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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CScythe
Canada810 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On June 07 2011 06:23 Hammurabio wrote: From the Rules: The tournament will have a maximum of 1,024 players who will be randomly seeded into a single elimination bracket. Omg, I foresee matches like Nerchio vs Kas or Happy vs Dimaga incoming before the top8 a lot -_- This qualifying system sucks so much, how can two big organizations like IGN and NASL not understand that if you have just have one tournament where top 8 qualify -especially with random seeds- chances are extremely high that you won't get the best and most consistent players qualified! Everyone can get lucky and go far in a single tournament, that doesn't mean he's fit to compete with the best in a league for some weeks. Just make qualifiers like TSL, only winner goes to the league directly and everyone else is only awarded points, thus making sure that the players who qualify at the end by points are really the most consistent. | ||
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89andy
Canada192 Posts
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Azuzu
United States340 Posts
On June 07 2011 07:32 sAfuRos wrote: Not really. I'd say anyone in top 200 masters or the 200 grandmasters all could potentially grab a spot if they were lucky, played hot, had an easy bracket, had build order wins, combination, etc I'm pretty confident that i could beat most players in a bo3, but i know that i can also lose those very same bo3's, and a long string of those bo3's makes it even worse As a not top top player who is decent enough to have a shot, the $10 fee is still not something i'm willing to pay in a set up where i might just get cheesed out or get 2 rough pvp's against a mediocre player and just be flat out, out I guess instead of winning this, I'll say what the consequences are. If you win, the prize is competing in the NASL. If you ask yourself, "am I good enough to be in the NASL?" and answer yes then $10 isn't a whole lot to put down. If you answer no, then the $10 fee has done it's job. It's hard to fill out a tournament like this with the right players. If they open it to the first 1k players, it would already be full and many players who actually have a chance of winning are left out. The alternative is invite only, which will inevitably leave out many players and doesn't give lesser known players a chance to prove themselves. As for the tournament format, I agree it could be better. Single elimination with bo3s works best with extremely strong seeding which this type of tournament won't have based on how invitations are handled. This type of format almost encourages players that are borderline to enter for a chance to end up on NASL. If this isn't their intention I would argue the people who designed the tournament don't have a full understanding of bracket theory. That's a completely different rant though. | ||
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Samhax
1054 Posts
On June 07 2011 07:49 Ragoo wrote: Omg, I foresee matches like Nerchio vs Kas or Happy vs Dimaga incoming before the top8 a lot -_- This qualifying system sucks so much, how can two big organizations like IGN and NASL not understand that if you have just have one tournament where top 8 qualify -especially with random seeds- chances are extremely high that you won't get the best and most consistent players qualified! Everyone can get lucky and go far in a single tournament, that doesn't mean he's fit to compete with the best in a league for some weeks. Just make qualifiers like TSL, only winner goes to the league directly and everyone else is only awarded points, thus making sure that the players who qualify at the end by points are really the most consistent. I agree the best qualifiying system for a tournament was the TSL format. But maybe they will change it for the next NASL, now it's too late because they already give the rules for this NASL. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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pusmoh
Germany75 Posts
On June 07 2011 06:14 two.watup wrote: http://nasl.tv/News/Article/20110603open-tournament Read the rules and info before you make ill-informed posts please. I'm going to go out of my way to answer more inane posts from you.  Incredibly professional PR. How about reading the full rules and not just the FAQs? http://nasl.tv/p/Rules "ELIGIBILITY Any player is eligible to compete in the Open Tournament and Seasonal Qualifier provided that they are not currently participating in the North American Star League. Players who are in, but have been eliminated from the current season of the North American Star League are not eligible for the Open Tournament, but are eligible for the Seasonal Qualifier." | ||
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Warcloud
United States97 Posts
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tooPrime
United States245 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:33 TDN wrote: "registration is simple and easy, and is $10 per player" I don't know what's wrong with NA tournaments, but every big tournament, players have to pay a certain amount of money to participate. How is this helping esport? This is more like greedy business than an esport competition. Just look at EU and KR tournaments. Everything is free. GSL doesn't cost a penny to spectate or participate, and they even have free Coke drink and sometimes pizza. This is just funny. It reminds me of those internet scam where you participate in a survey and at the end they ask for your credit card number. That is what we call a "get serious" fee. It causes you to buy in so you will show up to your own game. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On June 06 2011 11:33 TDN wrote: "registration is simple and easy, and is $10 per player" I don't know what's wrong with NA tournaments, but every big tournament, players have to pay a certain amount of money to participate. How is this helping esport? This is more like greedy business than an esport competition. Just look at EU and KR tournaments. Everything is free. GSL doesn't cost a penny to spectate or participate, and they even have free Coke drink and sometimes pizza. This is just funny. It reminds me of those internet scam where you participate in a survey and at the end they ask for your credit card number. Believe it or not, coordinating and organizing an event with 1024 people is a lot of hard work, and something someone should be paid to do. $10 is absolutely nothing, and it's perfectly reasonable to not only want to break even, but want to make a small profit from this event. Investing the 80+plus man hours into making this happen means sacrificing time and other opportunities. The 'easy' solution is to forgo the tournament, and just invite 8 players from Dreamhack, GSL and MLG. Is that what people would prefer? To pay more (entry fee, travel, accomodation) to qualify for another tounament halfway around the world in order to have a remote chance of participating in this one? Trust me, the NASL could save a lot of money and grief by not having an open tournament at all. They are doing this for the online community, and the growth of e-sports. People that think otherwise know shit-all about event planning or business. If they make a maximum of $10,000, they'll be lucky; and to be frank it will be fucking chump change considering the cost of adminstration, staff, equipment and services for the entirety of Season 1. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Cannot wait | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
if 10$ is too much for you chances are you weren't in a place to win this tourney anyways.. sorry guys but them is the facts. We need to have a way to make sure it is "open" to everyone but at the same time something is at stake so we don't get a ghost tourney blocking real competitors out. BTW prize of a trip to cali offline for 100k$ tourney is uh.. kinda sick. Not sure how 10$ for a chance at that is somehow bad. | ||
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CodECleaR
United States395 Posts
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staxringold
United States173 Posts
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Cytokinesis
Canada330 Posts
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Myia
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
Edit: Well it sucks that the time is in the middle of the day. Guess I won't be playing it in after all. Was really looking forward to trying it out  | ||
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jdelator
United States89 Posts
On June 07 2011 09:27 iNcontroL wrote: btw without 10$ fee you get 1k instant signups + 350 no shows first round if 10$ is too much for you chances are you weren't in a place to win this tourney anyways.. sorry guys but them is the facts. We need to have a way to make sure it is "open" to everyone but at the same time something is at stake so we don't get a ghost tourney blocking real competitors out. BTW prize of a trip to cali offline for 100k$ tourney is uh.. kinda sick. Not sure how 10$ for a chance at that is somehow bad. Someone here suggested that you refund the tourney fee for people that do show up. Or you can simply just open the signups 1 hour or 2 before the first round. Like I said the tournament fee cost is not the problem, it's the way that its being used is the problem. I'm not sure how you can justify the admin overhead for an online tournament. | ||
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