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On June 05 2011 11:27 duck.fit wrote:
vibe is a good up and coming player. I hope he runs the gauntlet and gets a seed
What time is he on? ONE?
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On June 05 2011 11:25 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:23 Fionn wrote:On June 05 2011 11:21 Crumpet wrote:
I personally don't think a legitimate argument can be made that Koreans are overall ahead in the starcraft 2 scene. However, it is a far cry from the dominance they held in Brood War. The matches between top tier foreigners and top tier Koreans are extremely competitive, and I believe the gap will only continue to narrow as esports grows in the west. Throwing up the series results of the koreans is a bit misleading, as many of them were extremly close series that, in my opinion, could have gone the other way a good 50% of the time. Koreans are still far above most of the world except for a few, but it isn't like BW. In BW, if any foreign player even took a game off someone like Bisu at an international event, it would create an uproar. Here, if someone like MC drops a series to Idra, it's not the same thing. SC2 isn't mechanical enough for there to be such a gap. jw but has there been a uproar caused by a foreigner taking a game off someone like Bisu/Flash/Jaedong or some BW pro?
no foreigner has beaten a legit BW pro for a long time now.
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On June 05 2011 11:24 Fionn wrote:
Naniwa/Losira
Idra/MMA
Tomorrow at 9:00 AM PST/Noon EST
Going to be great match-ups. Could see both Koreans losing, but also could see them smashing Idra/Naniwa 2-0.
Those matches are must not miss.
IdrA versus MMA will be huge. IdrA really needs that win.
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On June 05 2011 11:26 minhbq299 wrote:
I am feeling sorry for those fighting at the open bracket losers bracket, they win like 9-10 bo3 and still got eliminate by 1 loss, and some of those seeded in pools. Compare theirs level! even continue the event with 4-5 losses
Yeah but cruncher qxc vibe and kawaiirice must be playing very very well to still be in it 
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6 pool, 9 pool signs are funny.
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On June 05 2011 11:23 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:18 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:15 Fionn wrote:On June 05 2011 11:13 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; ok annoying me now. I like how people are only counting the GSL invited koreans. Moonan went 0-5 and Select went 0-5. Neither of those play in the Korean scene. They're North American players. So by that logic TLO is now swedish, QXC is now spanish, Huk is now Korean and Demuslim is now German amoung others. US loose understanding of nationality is a bit strange. Ehm, I'm pretty sure you should divide it into Europe/NA/Korea... If you practice with people on the Korean server and you are playing actively on the Korean Ladder with korean citizenship I'd say you can consider yourself a korean PLAYER. SeleCT has Korean genes, that doesn't make him a player who represents Korea tho as he pretty much only practices and plays on the NA LADDER etc. You think koreans get pro at sc2 at the moment they pop out of their mothers? It's all about what people you practice/play against. Yea but in that case you need to include korean ladder foreigners in the stats and select did go back for a few months earlier in the year and was pretty high on the ladder there. He failed to qualify for GSL though when he tried. Edit its more than just genes he was born grew up there his english is still pretty bad.
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LLOL 9POOL.
They failed the 6pool SOOOOOOOOOOO hard HAHA.
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On June 05 2011 11:21 Housemd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:21 Balthazar wrote:On June 05 2011 11:20 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 05 2011 11:18 Balthazar wrote:On June 05 2011 11:14 Zeri wrote:On June 05 2011 11:13 Ocedic wrote:On June 05 2011 11:09 Balthazar wrote:On June 05 2011 11:06 Troopi wrote:On June 05 2011 11:05 Zeri wrote:![[image loading]](http://c0013799.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_66d301b) More flooding! From sundance's twitter... Seriously MLG has the worst luck LoL what happened? IdrA pissed his pants after MC called him out. This quote deserves more attention. Nah it was actually a lame joke that he repeated already in the thread. . Still a terrible a joke honestly :X Wanna fight about it? Your just making it worse now.
http://tinyurl.com/3suyhn8
User was warned for this post
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Omfg, can qxc get a break?
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Where are the brackets for QXC vs TLO? The open bracket losers just ends at a certain point.
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TLO vs QXC going to be up on Blue
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On June 05 2011 11:25 doffe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:23 kheldorin wrote:On June 05 2011 11:18 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:15 Fionn wrote:On June 05 2011 11:13 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; ok annoying me now. I like how people are only counting the GSL invited koreans. Moonan went 0-5 and Select went 0-5. Neither of those play in the Korean scene. They're North American players. So by that logic TLO is now swedish, QXC is now spanish, Huk is now Korean and Demuslim is now German amoung others. US loose understanding of nationality is a bit strange. Not talking about nationalities. Talking about the scene. They don't play in the GSL and they don't play in the Korean server. They don't have the same practice culture, gaming house etc..etc.. So Idra/Haypro are half Koreans then? If HuK and Jinro comes to the next MLG are they Koreans?
No, genius. They're foreigners playing in Korea. Just as how Select and Moonan are Koreans playing in the US. And the author of the first post, by saying "Korean", is counting only those Koreans who have lived in Korea and have gone through the labor and life of a SC2 progamer. It is unfair to include Select and Moonan, both of which play and live like foreigners.
You don't even have a basis of argument and yet you're arguing. I don't see the sense in that.
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He was seeded top 16 before that because he was top 16 in points.
Top 18 ^^
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On June 05 2011 11:26 minhbq299 wrote:
I am feeling sorry for those fighting at the open bracket losers bracket, they win like 9-10 bo3 and still got eliminate by 1 loss, and some of those seeded in pools. Compare theirs level! even continue the event with 4-5 losses
You always have to lose 2 Bo3s before you are eliminated. And if you start in the open bracket and win 7 (or 8?) Bo3 you are in the pool.
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On June 05 2011 11:25 doffe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:23 kheldorin wrote:On June 05 2011 11:18 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:15 Fionn wrote:On June 05 2011 11:13 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; ok annoying me now. I like how people are only counting the GSL invited koreans. Moonan went 0-5 and Select went 0-5. Neither of those play in the Korean scene. They're North American players. So by that logic TLO is now swedish, QXC is now spanish, Huk is now Korean and Demuslim is now German amoung others. US loose understanding of nationality is a bit strange. Not talking about nationalities. Talking about the scene. They don't play in the GSL and they don't play in the Korean server. They don't have the same practice culture, gaming house etc..etc.. So Idra/Haypro are half Koreans then? If HuK and Jinro comes to the next MLG are they Koreans?
Huk and Jinro didn't make their names in the Korean scene; they went to Korea to further it. They do not represent Korea.
You represent Korea if that's where you started and continue to play and are a top tier competitor.
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I love TLO, but qxc is great! He's going to win MLG. Watch out everyone
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On June 05 2011 11:24 Fionn wrote:
Naniwa/Losira
Idra/MMA
Tomorrow at 9:00 AM PST/Noon EST
Going to be great match-ups. Could see both Koreans losing, but also could see them smashing Idra/Naniwa 2-0.
Uhg. Why are they playing Winner's Bracket so early?
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On June 05 2011 11:27 Balthazar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:21 Housemd wrote:On June 05 2011 11:21 Balthazar wrote:On June 05 2011 11:20 Torte de Lini wrote:On June 05 2011 11:18 Balthazar wrote:On June 05 2011 11:14 Zeri wrote:On June 05 2011 11:13 Ocedic wrote:On June 05 2011 11:09 Balthazar wrote:On June 05 2011 11:06 Troopi wrote:On June 05 2011 11:05 Zeri wrote:More flooding! From sundance's twitter... Seriously MLG has the worst luck LoL what happened? IdrA pissed his pants after MC called him out. This quote deserves more attention. Nah it was actually a lame joke that he repeated already in the thread. . Still a terrible a joke honestly :X Wanna fight about it? Your just making it worse now. http://tinyurl.com/3suyhn8
Cut the Memes, they're really annoying dude ._.
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On June 05 2011 11:26 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:23 Fionn wrote:On June 05 2011 11:21 Crumpet wrote:
I personally don't think a legitimate argument can be made that Koreans are overall ahead in the starcraft 2 scene. However, it is a far cry from the dominance they held in Brood War. The matches between top tier foreigners and top tier Koreans are extremely competitive, and I believe the gap will only continue to narrow as esports grows in the west. Throwing up the series results of the koreans is a bit misleading, as many of them were extremly close series that, in my opinion, could have gone the other way a good 50% of the time. Koreans are still far above most of the world except for a few, but it isn't like BW. In BW, if any foreign player even took a game off someone like Bisu at an international event, it would create an uproar. Here, if someone like MC drops a series to Idra, it's not the same thing. SC2 isn't mechanical enough for there to be such a gap. SC2 is very mechanical, but has streamlined a lot of the mechanics associated with BW. The mechanics needed now are not identical to Brood War, they are there, but they are different.
Sure its still very mechanical, but not in comparison to its predecessor. That was the point of his post.
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On June 05 2011 11:26 Indrium wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:22 Blasphemi wrote:On June 05 2011 11:19 SEANSYE wrote:On June 05 2011 11:18 Blasphemi wrote:On June 05 2011 11:10 wei2coolman wrote:On June 05 2011 11:06 Blasphemi wrote:On June 05 2011 11:05 wei2coolman wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; Quit making excuses for Koreans. Freaking hate this. First its the server lags from cross country, then MLG decides to fly Koreans over for LAN, BUT NOOOOO That's not good enough for you. Now they have jet lag. Freaking deal with it. Top foreigners can easily take out Koreans, they aren't fucking Gods. Excuses? Koreans have destroyed foreigners so far. Yeah, you're including the wins of the tier 2 Foreigners, maybe if Gomtv sent over tier 2 koreans, we can start talking about wins and shit. But as far as I'm concerned the Top top foreigners are doing REALLY REALLY well against the Top foreigners, stop trying to feign Korean dominance when there isn't any. Who are the top top foreigners? The pool of top top foreigners seems to change everytime a Korean crushes one of them. Literally the only victory a top foreigner has over a Korean (minus the substandard Moon) is MC/Idra. Compare that with Losira over Incontrol, July over Sjow, MMA over Sjow, MC over Tyler, MC over Select, MC over Thorzain, Losira over TLO, MMA over Kiwikaka, July over Kiwikaki and I really fail to see how 'top foreigners' have competed well at all. This is the part where you pretend players like Select and Kiwikaki are not top foreigners so go ahead. I think most people agree top foreigners are like Thorzain, Naniwa, IdrA, Morrow, White-Ra, Dimaga, Huk, and couple other players. Select and Kiwikaki have had way more success than Morrow and Dimaga. Sjow has one of the largest earnings outside Korea, those three are clearly top foreigners as is Ret who won Assembly. Dimaga is the third most in earnings in prize money outside of foreigners, below only WhiteRa and IdrA.
Wow...I'm surprised Dimaga has that much prize money...I mean, I knew he was a great player, but I can't think of any 'big wins' he's had to account for that much money. Is this all from weekly cups and stuff?
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