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On June 05 2011 11:22 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:19 DamageControL wrote:On June 05 2011 11:16 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:13 setzer wrote:On June 05 2011 11:10 wei2coolman wrote:On June 05 2011 11:06 Blasphemi wrote:On June 05 2011 11:05 wei2coolman wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; Quit making excuses for Koreans. Freaking hate this. First its the server lags from cross country, then MLG decides to fly Koreans over for LAN, BUT NOOOOO That's not good enough for you. Now they have jet lag. Freaking deal with it. Top foreigners can easily take out Koreans, they aren't fucking Gods. Excuses? Koreans have destroyed foreigners so far. Yeah, you're including the wins of the tier 2 Foreigners, maybe if Gomtv sent over tier 2 koreans, we can start talking about wins and shit. But as far as I'm concerned the Top top foreigners are doing REALLY REALLY well against the Top foreigners, stop trying to feign Korean dominance when there isn't any. 21-3 is quite dominant ignoring the lower tier koreans in MLG that went 0-5 I see. Did you miss the entire page of posts explaining why your original post was really stupid? Did you miss my point that your understanding of nationality is really stupid, do you really think QXC is spanish now or Demuslim German or TLO swedish you dont change nationality because you live in another country for a few months/years. I just dont see why you need to overegg the stats they are still impressive even if you include Moonan and Select.
Did you miss the 50 people who explained that this isn't about nationality? -__-;;
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On June 05 2011 11:21 ReacH. wrote:
MLG: TLO vs qxc coming up on the Main Stage on the Blue Stream!
:D
I hope TLO can get a Win! ♥TLO♥
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On June 05 2011 11:21 Quintum_ wrote:
For me i could see anyone of these players taking first
Losira, MMA, July, MC, Idra, Naniwa and Thorzain
I wonder if idra will take the code S invite if he can pull out a first place win. I know he said he will decline the code A invite for 2-4.
Think he would decline it, it's too much of a commitment and financially you get screwed..unless you win of course.
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On June 05 2011 11:18 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:15 bluestuff wrote:On June 05 2011 11:12 Adreme wrote:On June 05 2011 11:05 doffe wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; Its fun how ju count MMAs win against July but not Julys loss.... anyways 20-3 is still pretty awsome It kinda went how it was expected to go though it went pretty awesome for the Koreans. The way I see it only 3 people at MLG (in the pool play) have a shot at taking down MMA July MC and Losira. Those 3 are Naniwa, Idra and Thorzain. Idra and Nani won there groups and Thorzain was in Idras group. Now I know other players have a shot at taking a Bo3 off of them (Sjow who should have beaten MMA and Morrow if he can get out of the Losers Bracket) but lets not pretend they sent over just anyone MMA has possibly the best TvT in Korea and has shown that he can crush high level zergs as well. MC is the best protoss in Korea without question. Losira is probably the 2nd best zerg is korea and if hes not the 2nd best then Julyzerg is. So the only people who can beat the top koreans are the top non koreans. a certain someone named nestea might wanna disagree with you about being the number one zerg player in Korea >=/ I didnt say number 1 for either Losira or July. I said either one of them is up for debate for being the 2nd best zerg in korea fully aware that NesTea is the best. Its hard to argue that July and Losira are the 2nd and 3rd best zergs in korea.
well, Id say that there are plenty other zergs competing over that spot aswell. SlayersMin is one
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On June 05 2011 11:20 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:18 travis wrote:On June 05 2011 11:16 koolaid1990 wrote:On June 05 2011 11:11 nam nam wrote:On June 05 2011 11:08 StyLeD wrote:On June 05 2011 11:06 redFF wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; Well Moon is an average korean and he lost a bit. And the other 4 are without a doubt 4 of the very best players in Korea. If these guys were only playing 4 of the top top top foreigners e.g. IdrA, Thorzain, Nani and Whitera, I'm sure the results would be fairly balanced. The koreans are playing people who are not on their level and not the best the foreign scene have to offer. Ofcourse all of these code s calibre players are pwning random foreigners, but the best of the best are still fairly equal in my opinion. Uh, no. The foreigners you mentioned are the best of the best foreigners. The Koreans sent to MLG are 2nd tier (-MC) compared to the likes of MVP and especially Nestea. Nice try though... You calling July and Losira second tier? Losira is pretty much 2nd tier to Nestea, everyone thinks of Losira as the protege of Nestea. I mean he did get 0-3ed by scFOU, Nestea beat scFou. oh, so 2nd tier means "2nd best" well geeze, we are ignoring that a lot of the players the koreans have been playing are 3rd, 4th, 5th, maybe even like 10th to 20th tier foreigners. Yeah. Lol, I was thinking exactly the same thing. Cause 2nd place isn't top tier anymore. Looks like the only way to be considered "top tier" is to win gsl twice. >.<
Ya I was also thinking of this... people arbitrarily putting koreans in tiers while not doing so with foreigners in order to conveniently suit their view point is a joke. Everyone should just stop...
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On June 05 2011 11:21 Quintum_ wrote:
For me i could see anyone of these players taking first
Losira, MMA, July, MC, Idra, Naniwa and Thorzain
I wonder if idra will take the code S invite if he can pull out a first place win. I know he said he will decline the code A invite for 2-4.
i could see him doing it. Bunking with artosis for a month...as long as no big tournies are during the next gsl season.
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On June 05 2011 11:21 Crumpet wrote:
I personally don't think a legitimate argument can be made that Koreans are overall ahead in the starcraft 2 scene. However, it is a far cry from the dominance they held in Brood War. The matches between top tier foreigners and top tier Koreans are extremely competitive, and I believe the gap will only continue to narrow as esports grows in the west. Throwing up the series results of the koreans is a bit misleading, as many of them were extremly close series that, in my opinion, could have gone the other way a good 50% of the time.
Koreans are still far above most of the world except for a few, but it isn't like BW.
In BW, if any foreign player even took a game off someone like Bisu at an international event, it would create an uproar. Here, if someone like MC drops a series to Idra, it's not the same thing.
SC2 isn't mechanical enough for there to be such a gap.
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On June 05 2011 11:21 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:19 StarStruck wrote:On June 05 2011 11:16 TheHova wrote:On June 05 2011 11:13 Jyvblamo wrote:On June 05 2011 11:11 Telcontar wrote:On June 05 2011 11:10 spybreak wrote:On June 05 2011 11:09 Telcontar wrote:On June 05 2011 11:08 Jyvblamo wrote:On June 05 2011 11:08 spybreak wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 mjnbowlgod wrote:
gretorp has not won a series in 2 straight mlgs. That's ok he will still be seeded next MLG!!! Thank god for this format. This can't be true. Seriously? If gretorp can win at least 1 series in the championship rounds, yes he will STILL be seeded. ..... Well that is pretty stupid. Actually, I think he needs to win 2 series to survive. Not 100% sure, someone correct me please. Still... 2 wins in two MLG's and you get seeded? Pathetic format. Doesn't iNcontroL have less than 45% win rate in every matchup and is seeded 4th? He played well enough to earn 4th place in MLG. That is more than enough. Players aren't always going to be consistent you know. Incontrol was never really consistent in BW either. His team would do pretty well in clan/nation wars though. I know, i'm from BW. And i just think the seeding based on 1 MLG is silly. And the seedings give way too big of an advantage to people that have them already. Many pro players have complained about it.
i'm pretty sure they also count last season's mlg to determine seeds for dallas, so it's actually more fair than you think. MLG events aren't like traditional Starcraft tournaments, their system already works for their other games so why should they change it for Starcraft?
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On June 05 2011 11:18 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:15 Fionn wrote:On June 05 2011 11:13 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; ok annoying me now. I like how people are only counting the GSL invited koreans. Moonan went 0-5 and Select went 0-5. Neither of those play in the Korean scene. They're North American players. So by that logic TLO is now swedish, QXC is now spanish, Huk is now Korean and Demuslim is now German amoung others. US loose understanding of nationality is a bit strange.
Not talking about nationalities. Talking about the scene. They don't play in the GSL and they don't play in the Korean server. They don't have the same practice culture, gaming house etc..etc..
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On June 05 2011 11:22 RowdierBob wrote:
Are there any more games tonight?
How nice of you to stop by Bob. Yes, it wil go on for a few more hours. Need to clear up the loser brackets.
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On June 05 2011 11:21 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:20 PieLieDie wrote:On June 05 2011 11:18 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:15 Fionn wrote:On June 05 2011 11:13 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; ok annoying me now. I like how people are only counting the GSL invited koreans. Moonan went 0-5 and Select went 0-5. Neither of those play in the Korean scene. They're North American players. So by that logic TLO is now swedish, QXC is now spanish, Huk is now Korean and Demuslim is now German amoung others. Your stupidity is painful... lol don't talk to him. i tried to explain but he seems pretty fixed on what he believes. Yea thanks I understand GSL koreans are the best but thats like saying that David Beckham because he no longer plays in a top English football league is no longer English.
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On June 05 2011 11:20 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
lol its kinda funny to see you guys arguing if koreans are better than foreigners or not... lol just look at the fukin results
hahahahaha good man. yeah guys we need to stop and just wait until MLG Columbus is over...then we can see who gets the bragging rights. :D
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Slush is defeated 1-2.
This means Nani takes 1st place in the pool.
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On June 05 2011 11:18 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:15 Fionn wrote:On June 05 2011 11:13 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; ok annoying me now. I like how people are only counting the GSL invited koreans. Moonan went 0-5 and Select went 0-5. Neither of those play in the Korean scene. They're North American players. So by that logic TLO is now swedish, QXC is now spanish, Huk is now Korean and Demuslim is now German amoung others. US loose understanding of nationality is a bit strange.
Ehm, I'm pretty sure you should divide it into Europe/NA/Korea... If you practice with people on the Korean server and you are playing actively on the Korean Ladder with korean citizenship I'd say you can consider yourself a korean PLAYER. SeleCT has Korean genes, that doesn't make him a player who represents Korea tho as he pretty much only practices and plays on the NA LADDER etc.
You think koreans get pro at sc2 at the moment they pop out of their mothers? It's all about what people you practice/play against.
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They need to cast Ret vs Thorzain from the replay!!
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On June 05 2011 11:17 midg1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:14 Netsky wrote:
Why did CatZ dodge July in the open bracket? Or is there another reason why he didn't show? CatZ showed up 14 minutes late and got DQ for that match
Ah ok, that's unfortunate for him
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On June 05 2011 11:20 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:18 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:15 Fionn wrote:On June 05 2011 11:13 Vimsey wrote:On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote:
So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2
MMA: 5 - 0
July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean)
MC: 4 - 1
Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^; ok annoying me now. I like how people are only counting the GSL invited koreans. Moonan went 0-5 and Select went 0-5. Neither of those play in the Korean scene. They're North American players. So by that logic TLO is now swedish, QXC is now spanish, Huk is now Korean and Demuslim is now German amoung others. US loose understanding of nationality is a bit strange. This isn't about nationality. This is about competing systems. Are you serious?
This obviously is about nationality, otherwise why would we call them Koreans? How the hell does that not insinuate nationality?
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i really can't believe that a tournament of this caliber, that has produced some of the most amazing games i've seen yet, first prize is only 5000 dollars and a seed into code S. lol i would have thought at least 10k seemed pretty standard for big name tournies
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On June 05 2011 11:22 mpf189 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 11:21 Quintum_ wrote:
For me i could see anyone of these players taking first
Losira, MMA, July, MC, Idra, Naniwa and Thorzain
I wonder if idra will take the code S invite if he can pull out a first place win. I know he said he will decline the code A invite for 2-4. Think he would decline it, it's too much of a commitment and financially you get screwed..unless you win of course.
He already said he would decline it.
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