EPTlol don't talk to him. i tried to explain but he seems pretty fixed on what he believes.
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
lol don't talk to him. i tried to explain but he seems pretty fixed on what he believes. | ||
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Sangyerians
Australia248 Posts
On June 05 2011 11:08 imareaver3 wrote: If we're discounting moon, that means we have (according to TL's big ranking) 4 of the top 10 Koreans against a bunch of foreign mediocrities. I'm not calling them bad--but the players these Koreans are facing are mostly not in the top 10 foreigners. So, yeah, the Koreans will win. Now, put the best foreigners against Korean mediocrities, and you'll get the same results. Wow, who amongst the top 10 foreigners that's not at MLG? Nada, Killer, InCa, Nestea, sC are all not at MLG. Not including all the crazy Code A players that got promoted this month like MKP and MVP. MMA, MC and July are good but they're not top 10, at least not results wise (except maybe MC, who wasn't even Code S last season). Koreans have a lot more depth than foreigners. | ||
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
On June 05 2011 11:19 DamageControL wrote: Did you miss my point that your understanding of nationality is really stupid, do you really think QXC is spanish now or Demuslim German or TLO swedish you dont change nationality because you live in another country for a few months/years. I just dont see why you need to overegg the stats they are still impressive even if you include Moonan and Select.Did you miss the entire page of posts explaining why your original post was really stupid? | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 05 2011 11:20 Fionn wrote: I think people take the whole Korean/World thing the wrong way. Some people see it as a race thing when it is a more of a 'which scene is better' thing. If Idra hadn't come back to the States half a year ago, he could be considered a major part of the Korean side. A lot of people still do consider him part Korean because he picked up a lot of his mechanics in that scene. Just because Select is Korean doesn't mean he isn't from the North American scene. A foreigner cannot be considered a Korean just because he plays/lives/practices in Korea. Once a foreigner, always a foreigner (in terms of starcraft obv.) | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On June 05 2011 11:17 antelope591 wrote: Yea...theres only like 3 or 4 foreigners who even have a chance vs koreans at this point but people still dont think theres a gap? If u sent any top 25 korean to this event they would have similar results. That = skill gap. Moon's pretty crappy comparatively and everyone else here whos actually code S/A level is dominating. If thats not a skill gap what is? I don't think people like Polt Prime would dominate MLG | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On June 05 2011 11:12 Adreme wrote: It kinda went how it was expected to go though it went pretty awesome for the Koreans. The way I see it only 3 people at MLG (in the pool play) have a shot at taking down MMA July MC and Losira. Those 3 are Naniwa, Idra and Thorzain. Idra and Nani won there groups and Thorzain was in Idras group. Now I know other players have a shot at taking a Bo3 off of them (Sjow who should have beaten MMA and Morrow if he can get out of the Losers Bracket) but lets not pretend they sent over just anyone MMA has possibly the best TvT in Korea and has shown that he can crush high level zergs as well. MC is the best protoss in Korea without question. Losira is probably the 2nd best zerg is korea and if hes not the 2nd best then Julyzerg is. So the only people who can beat the top koreans are the top non koreans. If MMA's TvT was the best in Korea, he wouldn't have gotten 2-0ed by Bomber and 2-1ed by MKP (MKP lost game 1 by doing a failed gimmicky build) You can argue this is a small sample size, but if he really was the BEST, he wouldn't have lost on 2 separate occasions, especially considering how much the games meant. Also, he barely beat Supernova in TvT which is by far Supernova's WORST matchup. MC is the best Protoss but he has been in a slump lately, thus his play has not been representative of the apex of his skill. Losira is good, but there is are a lot of Koreans Zergs tied for second place behind Nestea. Otherwise, everything you stated about how only top Foreigners have a chance against the Koreans, I agree with. But in the end, only MC is a tier 1 player. | ||
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eos
New Zealand39 Posts
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deerpark87
760 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I think 3 Koreans in the top 5 is very possible. | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On June 05 2011 11:18 Vimsey wrote: So by that logic TLO is now swedish, QXC is now spanish, Huk is now Korean and Demuslim is now German amoung others. US loose understanding of nationality is a bit strange. No, TLO and DeMuslim are EU players, HuK is indeed considered a korean player at the moment, and QXC. | ||
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Fungal Growth
United States434 Posts
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Shaxe
Netherlands590 Posts
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
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ApexPredador
United States24 Posts
On June 05 2011 11:15 DonaldLee wrote: Neither of them play in Korea. This isn't a race/nationality thing, it's about the competitiveness of each scene. Then how come when ever someone brings up good NA players, they discount Select because he is Korean? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13004 Posts
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On June 05 2011 11:19 SEANSYE wrote: I think most people agree top foreigners are like Thorzain, Naniwa, IdrA, Morrow, White-Ra, Dimaga, Huk, and couple other players. Select and Kiwikaki have had way more success than Morrow and Dimaga. Sjow has one of the largest earnings outside Korea, those three are clearly top foreigners as is Ret who won Assembly. | ||
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luuk
Austria386 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On June 05 2011 11:22 eos wrote: Who's next? we're waiting for games to wrap up so they can start the streams if there are any tiebreakers. | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
On June 05 2011 11:18 Vimsey wrote: So by that logic TLO is now swedish, QXC is now spanish, Huk is now Korean and Demuslim is now German amoung others. US loose understanding of nationality is a bit strange. Why are you even trying? HuK is essentially a player who's been in Korean and plays 'Korean'. He is judged by his games versus Koreans. TLO, QXC, Demuslim are all "European". Select and Moonan have been in the US for a good part of the last 5 years. Their playstyle and understanding of the game is essentially North American. | ||
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