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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:47 TOloseGT wrote: Protoss have FF. Use it well and roaches won't be such a big problem. I can point to several games where well placed FF stopped roaches cold. Yea, you didn't address my post in any way whatsoever. We know that. I was talking about something different and a much more general point. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote: It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless, but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled in basically every event recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently. Yeah, I mean the 4 protoss semi-finals in Starwars where all of the top zergs got dominated shows protoss getting rolled. GSL stats for the MU is literally 500% Too many protoss are stuck on colossi/gateway pew pew, and it's been figured out. Every protoss told zerg to stfu and try something other than roach/hydra/corrupter for 2 months so I think it's time to say the same to protoss. I'm a random player, and I go heavy archon/zealot--> into templar in my PvZ's and I have like a 90% winrate. (granted I'm only masters) Should check out the chinese protoss, they are tearing it up | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:40 xbankx wrote: He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it. I think a year from now, we'll all be laughing at how newbie Protoss used to be at chronoboost management. It's a very tricky macro mechanic, because it changes how much money you can spend. Obvious I know, but it changes the balance between income and production. And is especially hard when you're bouncing chrono boost on different buildings all the time (usually probes and upgrades? I dunno). I just don't think chrono is all that well understood right now, it's not like Larvae Inject, a 40 second PITA, but a very consistent and easily to adjust to change in your macro. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:48 dennistoo wrote: So are you saying EGIncontrol is a bad protoss? Look at how MC got pwn when he did a fast expand during GSTL when DRG did a roach rush? This race is broken. No, Incontrol is not bad. His force fields, the primary way to deal with roaches, however, is. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:48 Stratos_speAr wrote: Yea, you didn't address my post in any way whatsoever. We know that. I was talking about something different and a much more general point. Talking about the first quote. | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:47 Whitewing wrote: You need permission to charge fees to tune in to the broadcast I believe, not to participate in the tournament. I'm fairly certain you need consent from Blizzard to charge tournament fees. At least from what has been posted on here in the past when it's been suggested. They could have it from Blizzard for all i know. I'm just surprised by it, that's all. | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:50 Mailing wrote: No, Incontrol is not bad. His force fields, the primary way to deal with roaches, however, is. Not sure how that MC game can be referenced either. MC went literally the most greedy build possible by teching and FEing at the same time. Also, July is straight up a better player than Incontrol anyway, so I'm not sure how people see it as an imbalance issue (game seems pretty balanced right now). | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:50 backtoback wrote: how is QXC losing every bo3? what does he need to change in his gameplay in order to succeed? He needs to practice, his mechanics are a bit lacking, his build orders haven't been great, and he needs to relearn some timings. | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:42 Mailing wrote: Don't other protoss build more colossus and less gateway units, and use c-boost on the colossus? Every time July attacked incontrol had no DPS because it was 1 or 2 colossus vs 100 army supply. Seemed very late each time Easiest way to lose mid game these days is trying for fast colossus off 2 bases and around 3 gateways. Once roach get speed, they will just rush you when you only got 1 colossus out and its gg. Im sorry as good as your ff can be 1 colossus without range and like 10 gateway units dont stack agaisnt 25-30 roaches+ like 40-50 lings streaming in. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:48 1Eris1 wrote: Yeah, I mean the 4 protoss semi-finals in Starwars where all of the top zergs got dominated shows protoss getting rolled. GSL stats for the MU is literally 500% Too many protoss are stuck on colossi/gateway pew pew, and it's been figured out. Every protoss told zerg to stfu and try something other than roach/hydra/corrupter for 2 months so I think it's time to say the same to protoss. I'm a random player, and I go heavy archon/zealot--> into templar in my PvZ's and I have like a 90% winrate. (granted I'm only masters) Should check out the chinese protoss, they are tearing it up I like that build too, it's fun but it really only works in Masters  The build is pretty terrible if you are playing against someone that knows how to beat it, that is if you are talking about the one that was in the strategy forum where you build like nothing for 12mins whilst powering upgrades, tech and getting gateways lol | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:46 Vimsey wrote: sorry mister scary you are completely right you arent aggressive at all yes it was a complete accident even LUCK and a FACT that july didnt build a nydus in sight of where incontrol had buildings this is also a completely unknown phenomenon in esports. Incontrol is clearly the better player and not at all outwitted can i go now because frankly im a bit worried. Here. I just don't even understand where you could possibly be coming from with this. Like...it was obviously lucky. He was using pylons to spot for nydus worms and missed a spot completely by accident. It's not a bad thing. I'm not saying July is bad. I'm not insulting him in any way. I'm not saying he didn't 'outwit' iNcontroL but a lot of the time outwitting your opponent means taking the advantages that luck gives you. | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:40 xbankx wrote: He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it. Even when this is the case, shortening the build time of units like colossi and getting them out faster from when you purchase the unit is always advantageous | ||
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Seditary
Australia7033 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:55 Xeris wrote: We have a full tournament license from Blizzard I would imagine so, be pretty insane if somehow that got forgotten. | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:56 Clog wrote: Even when this is the case, shortening the build time of units like colossi and getting them out faster from when you purchase the unit is always advantageous I believe he chroned his forge as much as possible. His robo bay isnt done when they made that comment and chronoing warpgate+nexus when you got no money just don't work. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless (definitely no imbalance or anything), but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently. It reminds me of when the Roach got buffed to range 4 and every Zerg all of a sudden started busting Protoss fast expand. Granted that was an actually balance change that triggererd that (They also started owning Terran by shutting down early harass with that change too). But somehow, Protoss started fast expanding again and now Zerg is just busting it with mass roach / ling again. So to me, it's just another turn in the cycle. That's an oversimplification, but roaches killing Protoss on 2 base before they can power seems to be what most people are shocked by these days (in today's case while Protoss starts to add on T3 was the timing window July used). | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
 I shouldn't have attacked up the ramp game 3 and I needed to remake sentry. I lost that game... Shoulda won | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
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