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On June 03 2011 12:37 hitman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe Rain was GSL finalist too. Was he top 5 Terran in the world ? No! Not saying July is bad but he cheese way too much in almost every freaking series, and overrated.
Nah July is a total boss. Won every NASL game except double bunker rush from Ensnare, GSL finalist and won through the Clash of the Houses to get into MLG.
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On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important.
I believe its InC's macro mechanics that holds him back.
He has great control and decision making, just cant keep up in the macro game.
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On June 03 2011 12:38 dooraven wrote:
Sigh Protoss T1 Armies is entirely reliant on FFs, they are abysmal.
Yes, they are... which is why you don't trade your Tier 1 army against the Zerg's Tier 2 while you're trying to build up your Tier 3...
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On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important.
He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it.
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On June 03 2011 12:27 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:26 Dommk wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Severedevil wrote:On June 03 2011 12:19 DeltruS wrote:
Why don't protoss get a fast +1 air when going pheonix? Pheonixes do 2 fast attack volleys at 5 damage a piece, and overlords have 1 armor. I have no idea. It's incredibly strong - especially against queens. If you're going to open 1 Stargate air and get more than 4 air units, you should absolutely get +1 Air Weapons. Corrupter Ling Bane beats it pretty handily :S You can't handle a baneling/Ling army without a good ground army, on maps like Meta it would be so difficult to take your third against a Tsunami of Ling/Banes going mass Phoenix He said the standard 4 phoenix/VR build... into gateways and more phoenix (viable) Do you complain about EVERY protoss build and unit?
What are you fuck are talking about? When have I ever complained about a Protoss unit or build? I think that best describes YOU if anyone
The 4Phoenix/VR build stops at that much because you don't want to over commit and lack a ground army strong enough to contest the Zerg, the build sometimes gets hard countered by Hydra/Ling all-in depending on the map and spawn positions.
When you go for more air units you need to do it on a map that has a relatively easy to take third because against Ling/Baneling play you can't keep up. You need a Good colossus/Stalker count or Templars to deal with them and even though you do damage you are put in a position where you can't take your third. Corruptor ling/bane has already proved to be a very strong combo against mass Phoenix, even San said that it is starting to phase out these days.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career.
Um, he lost the finals because zerg couldn't win a ZvP for their life around then. Yes he has bad ZvZ, nearly every top pro has a bad MU. I'm not saying he's the best player in the world, but there is no way in hell anyone could come up with 4 better zerg players than July
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
July guaranteed a spot in the LAN, right? He clinched first place in his group?
Yeah, the best anyone else can do in his group is 6-3 while he's at 7-1 currently.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career. GG to July though.
I will agree that his ZvZ is just awful. just plain awful
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career. GG to July though.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Clash_of_the_Houses:_Startale
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Clash_of_the_Houses/Main_Event
NASL: 7-1
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I find it kinda strange that some of these protoss doesnt know how to use chronoboost when thats pretty much the only macro shit they have to worry about.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
July guaranteed a spot in the LAN, right? He clinched first place in his group?
Yep, he's through.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:37 hitman123 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe Rain was GSL finalist too. Was he top 5 Terran in the world ? No! Not saying July is bad but he cheese way too much in almost every freaking series, and overrated. Nah July is a total boss. Won every NASL game except double bunker rush from Ensnare, GSL finalist and won through the Clash of the Houses to get into MLG.
Lol, look at his NASL group. He baneling busted his way through Clash of the Houses as well every time his opponents took a game off him. Rain and Inca were also GSL finalists.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
July guaranteed a spot in the LAN, right? He clinched first place in his group?
Yup. No one can catch him. He's first in his group.
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On June 03 2011 12:40 xbankx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important. He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it.
Don't other protoss build more colossus and less gateway units, and use c-boost on the colossus?
Every time July attacked incontrol had no DPS because it was 1 or 2 colossus vs 100 army supply. Seemed very late each time
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career. GG to July though.
Haters gonna hate. July has had more results than just one showing in the GSL finals. He consistently does well in everything he participates in, including doing extremely well in the NASL and winning the CotH to get a spot in MLG
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On June 03 2011 12:31 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:28 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:15 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:07 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:04 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. o.O you think that was luck? It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot. so you think its "luck" that someome uses a blind spot on a map. Really? This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. You do sneaky shit in places that you know are vulnerable. Are you crazy in the face? It was obviously lucky. That's not anything to disparage July but it is objectively lucky. I'm sorry if facts offend you. Like I already said, it was July's only option. If Inc moves a probe 1 hex to left his only option disappears. People win every game with a bit of luck. This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. Yeah - luck is a fundamental part of all computer games. So apparently only the lucky win then since its fundamental according to you. Wake up no it isnt. You also need to understand the definition of the word FACT. I will break it down for you July goes nydus...he doesnt flip a dice and radomnly builds it anywhere he builds it in a place that has had success before because of where he placed it. Now granted this is not guaranteed nothing is ever incontroll could have done something non standard and seen it but he didnt as i suspect many other opponents before him also didnt. Understand now? Or i give up on you. ...serious question, why are you being so aggressive? Chill out, jesus. You seem to think that there's a magic blind spot on Tal'darim where July always builds his nydus? Nope...that's just the only spot Inc didn't build a pylon. Inc made a mistake, and July was lucky that Inc made that mistake. Lucky in the sense that if he didn't see that 1 spot where the nydus could go he was fucked. He was relying on a blind spot. Luckily for him there was a blind spot. He was rolling a dice because he had no choice. His original plan was a baneling bust which didn't work. He had one option only and that was to hope that he could sneak a nydus in. Facts, yo. There is nothing in my post that is aggressive whatsoever so sorry to disappoint you there. From my experience in many many computer games there are always blind spots on maps that players exploit if you have never played a game to a decent level then i can accept you wouldnt realise this. He had a choice to build a nydus and he had a choice to do it where he did and it worked as i suspect it has before many times.
Yeah actually you're right you're definitely not being an arrogant douche at a-
Wake up no it isnt.
understand the definition of the word FACT.
if you have never played a game to a decent level
Understand now? Or i give up on you.
...oh.
As for you actual argument, it makes no sense at all. Inc was building pylons specifically to spot nyduses. He missed a spot. Was it because it's some sort of pylon black hole where protoss never put any buildings? Nope it was just an accident. I understand the concept of blind spots, thank you very much Mr Condescending. But that's not one.
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T_T my liquibets. At least i can still trust in July to bring the hurt.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career. GG to July though.
That's great. I can make several arguments for other players as well, but you know what I'm not going to.
At the end of the day, it's about getting the job done.
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Heyy they forgot to mention IdrA as a guest caster =P
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Can we see who's in the open tournament as they sign up or do we have to wait for the bracket?
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