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Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
June 03 2011 03:44 GMT
#841
On June 03 2011 12:41 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 12:39 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:37 hitman123 wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls.


Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game.


How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG.



GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe

Rain was GSL finalist too. Was he top 5 Terran in the world ? No!
Not saying July is bad but he cheese way too much in almost every freaking series, and overrated.


Nah July is a total boss. Won every NASL game except double bunker rush from Ensnare, GSL finalist and won through the Clash of the Houses to get into MLG.


Lol, look at his NASL group. He baneling busted his way through Clash of the Houses as well every time his opponents took a game off him. Rain and Inca were also GSL finalists.


A win is a win.
dennistoo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore155 Posts
June 03 2011 03:44 GMT
#842
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.

75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO.

User was temp banned for this post.
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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
June 03 2011 03:45 GMT
#843
On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.

75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO.



Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once
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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
June 03 2011 03:45 GMT
#844
1,024 @ $10 = profit hehe

Seriously though - 1,024 person tournament is brutal! It is going to be really cool to see who can surface in the Top 8!

Xeris, you were fun to listen to today haha but you really look so confused as to where you should be looking haha; down at the screen? No at the camera? No at Gretorp - i am not saying this negatively it just looks funny
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Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
June 03 2011 03:45 GMT
#845
On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.

75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO.


Good protoss are not.

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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
June 03 2011 03:45 GMT
#846
July badly outmacrod Incontrol game 3. There was NO CHEESE and NO ALL IN!

stop calling him overrated..... -.-
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
June 03 2011 03:45 GMT
#847
On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls.


Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game.


How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG.



GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe


He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career.

GG to July though.


GSL Finalist, CSN's CoTH winner, top of his group in NASL. Truely an overrated player. -.-
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
June 03 2011 03:46 GMT
#848
On June 03 2011 12:45 bkrow wrote:
1,024 @ $10 = profit hehe

Seriously though - 1,024 person tournament is brutal! It is going to be really cool to see who can surface in the Top 8!

Xeris, you were fun to listen to today haha but you really look so confused as to where you should be looking haha; down at the screen? No at the camera? No at Gretorp - i am not saying this negatively it just looks funny



Is 1024 the max or is that how many they are going to have?
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 03:47:47
June 03 2011 03:46 GMT
#849
On June 03 2011 12:45 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.

75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO.



Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once


It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless (definitely no imbalance or anything), but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
June 03 2011 03:46 GMT
#850
On June 03 2011 12:45 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.

75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO.



Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once


Or the fact that July is just a far, far better player than Incontrol.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 03 2011 03:46 GMT
#851
On June 03 2011 12:45 bkrow wrote:
1,024 @ $10 = profit hehe

Seriously though - 1,024 person tournament is brutal! It is going to be really cool to see who can surface in the Top 8!

Xeris, you were fun to listen to today haha but you really look so confused as to where you should be looking haha; down at the screen? No at the camera? No at Gretorp - i am not saying this negatively it just looks funny


I know T_T! lololol I had no idea ;;
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TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
June 03 2011 03:46 GMT
#852
$10 to enter? Quick way of earning 10k i guess... I didn't even realise that was legal. I've seen plenty of times posts saying you need Blizzard's permission to charge fees.
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
June 03 2011 03:46 GMT
#853
On June 03 2011 12:42 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 12:31 Vimsey wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:28 The KY wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:15 Vimsey wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:11 The KY wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:07 Vimsey wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:04 The KY wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:
On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:
[quote]

maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol...


What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in.

o.O you think that was luck?


It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot.

so you think its "luck" that someome uses a blind spot on a map. Really? This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. You do sneaky shit in places that you know are vulnerable.


Are you crazy in the face? It was obviously lucky. That's not anything to disparage July but it is objectively lucky. I'm sorry if facts offend you. Like I already said, it was July's only option. If Inc moves a probe 1 hex to left his only option disappears. People win every game with a bit of luck.

This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games.


Yeah - luck is a fundamental part of all computer games.


So apparently only the lucky win then since its fundamental according to you. Wake up no it isnt.

You also need to understand the definition of the word FACT.


I will break it down for you July goes nydus...he doesnt flip a dice and radomnly builds it anywhere he builds it in a place that has had success before because of where he placed it. Now granted this is not guaranteed nothing is ever incontroll could have done something non standard and seen it but he didnt as i suspect many other opponents before him also didnt. Understand now? Or i give up on you.



...serious question, why are you being so aggressive? Chill out, jesus.

You seem to think that there's a magic blind spot on Tal'darim where July always builds his nydus? Nope...that's just the only spot Inc didn't build a pylon. Inc made a mistake, and July was lucky that Inc made that mistake. Lucky in the sense that if he didn't see that 1 spot where the nydus could go he was fucked. He was relying on a blind spot. Luckily for him there was a blind spot.
He was rolling a dice because he had no choice. His original plan was a baneling bust which didn't work. He had one option only and that was to hope that he could sneak a nydus in.

Facts, yo.

There is nothing in my post that is aggressive whatsoever so sorry to disappoint you there. From my experience in many many computer games there are always blind spots on maps that players exploit if you have never played a game to a decent level then i can accept you wouldnt realise this. He had a choice to build a nydus and he had a choice to do it where he did and it worked as i suspect it has before many times.


Yeah actually you're right you're definitely not being an arrogant douche at a-

Show nested quote +
Wake up no it isnt.


Show nested quote +
understand the definition of the word FACT.


Show nested quote +
if you have never played a game to a decent level


Show nested quote +
Understand now? Or i give up on you.


...oh.

As for you actual argument, it makes no sense at all. Inc was building pylons specifically to spot nyduses. He missed a spot. Was it because it's some sort of pylon black hole where protoss never put any buildings? Nope it was just an accident. I understand the concept of blind spots, thank you very much Mr Condescending. But that's not one.

sorry mister scary you are completely right you arent aggressive at all yes it was a complete accident even LUCK and a FACT that july didnt build a nydus in sight of where incontrol had buildings this is also a completely unknown phenomenon in esports. Incontrol is clearly the better player and not at all outwitted can i go now because frankly im a bit worried.
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
June 03 2011 03:47 GMT
#854
On June 03 2011 12:45 bkrow wrote:
1,024 @ $10 = profit hehe

Seriously though - 1,024 person tournament is brutal! It is going to be really cool to see who can surface in the Top 8!


Yeah, that's going to be some crazy shit coming out of that mass of people.
Love is more fun than hate.
xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
June 03 2011 03:47 GMT
#855
On June 03 2011 12:40 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls.


Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game.


How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG.



GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe


He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career.



Um, he lost the finals because zerg couldn't win a ZvP for their life around then. Yes he has bad ZvZ, nearly every top pro has a bad MU. I'm not saying he's the best player in the world, but there is no way in hell anyone could come up with 4 better zerg players than July



I think it was more like when you have an aggressive zerg versus a timing attack based toss. It is not the best "style" vs "style" matchup either. July perfer his toss opponent to try to mass those deathballs then just punishes them for being immobile(hitting 3rd or keep your colossus ball tied up chasing roach ling) and hope to induce a mistake like a missed ff and just win. Or he also seems to like to punish players for staying on gateway for too long. His fast hydra build would get decimated by standard 2 base colossus but players have shunned those builds because they tend to be a lot weaker against mid game mass roach/ling timings and switched to a more gateway+ff centered style which is really bad versus ling/hydra. July just played better and read his opponent both game 2 and 3.
TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
June 03 2011 03:47 GMT
#856
On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 12:45 1Eris1 wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.

75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO.



Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once


It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless, but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled in basically every event recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently.


Protoss have FF. Use it well and roaches won't be such a big problem. I can point to several games where well placed FF stopped roaches cold.
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 03:49:07
June 03 2011 03:47 GMT
#857
On June 03 2011 12:45 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls.


Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game.


How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG.



GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe


He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career.

GG to July though.


GSL Finalist, CSN's CoTH winner, top of his group in NASL. Truely an overrated player. -.-
\

Cool, thanks for quoting my post that addressed those points then repeating them exactly. Rain and Inca were both finalists, this NASL group is probably one of the least scary imaginable minus WhiteRa who I don't think they even played, and he all-inned a ton in CoTH and went 3-2 against Taeja who isn't even Code A.
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
June 03 2011 03:47 GMT
#858
On June 03 2011 12:46 TheHova wrote:
$10 to enter? Quick way of earning 10k i guess... I didn't even realise that was legal. I've seen plenty of times posts saying you need Blizzard's permission to charge fees.


You need permission to charge fees to tune in to the broadcast I believe, not to participate in the tournament.
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dennistoo
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore155 Posts
June 03 2011 03:48 GMT
#859
On June 03 2011 12:45 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.

75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO.


Good protoss are not.

Go watch some Ace, MC, Squirtle, Naniwa, Xaiot, Hasuobs games.


So are you saying EGIncontrol is a bad protoss? Look at how MC got pwn when he did a fast expand during GSTL when DRG did a roach rush? This race is broken.
MC to Idra: 2-0? You Dream. I 4-0, you cry.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
June 03 2011 03:48 GMT
#860
On June 03 2011 12:42 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2011 12:40 xbankx wrote:
On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important.



He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it.


Don't other protoss build more colossus and less gateway units, and use c-boost on the colossus?

Every time July attacked incontrol had no DPS because it was 1 or 2 colossus vs 100 army supply. Seemed very late each time

No...

Seriously, do you actually play this game? Going fast Colossus is the easiest way to lose to these builds. There is a thread in the strategy forum about it, going fast Blink or building up Colossus slowly is the best way to do it as you actually need an army to stop them from bum rushing the Colossus..
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