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Gretorp is his boo, awwwwwwwwwwwkward
(it's a joke, <3 gretorp)
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Thanks for getting this up!
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Thank you meetle  <3
Great initiative!
TT1 is up 1-0 against Ensnare! Game 2 on cross positions metalopolis right now
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Who's casting with gretorp?
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TT1 vs July is incontrol v july 
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white-ra isn't terran, he is protoss.....
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On June 03 2011 10:06 Zarahtra wrote:
Who's casting with gretorp?
Think that is Xeris - i could be incredibly misinformed :p
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When did the match start? I turned the stream on at 9:03 and they were going into game 2. o.O
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im going to throw a temper tantrum if mrbitter doesn't come back to nasl!
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whitera playing terran *trollface*
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On June 03 2011 10:06 Scribble wrote:
When did the match start? I turned the stream on at 9:03 and they were going into game 2. o.O
They started ~ 5 mins early for some reason.
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wtf i look exactly like xeris.....
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"The two marines means one of three things... cheese/rush, tech, or expansion"
Gee, what other options are there?.
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Did they start early....? I turned it on at 9:00 exactly and it was them talking after game 1.
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On June 03 2011 10:08 Jackle wrote:
"The two marines means one of three things... cheese/rush, tech, or expansion"
Gee, what other options are there?.
Dance Party at the Xel'Nagas?
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Need to fix those terran icons on people who play other races in the OP.
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Wait, why is the results spoiler filled? :o Aren't they about to play??
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On June 03 2011 10:08 Jackle wrote:
"The two marines means one of three things... cheese/rush, tech, or expansion"
Gee, what other options are there?.
hes not wrong atleast
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there was some freezing issues with the pregame stream, so they skipped it and started early.
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On June 03 2011 10:10 Z3kk wrote:
Wait, why is the results spoiler filled? :o Aren't they about to play??
He's still working on it and copied the games from last week.
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On June 03 2011 10:11 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:10 Z3kk wrote:
Wait, why is the results spoiler filled? :o Aren't they about to play?? He's still working on it and copied the games from last week.
Ah, that makes much more sense. Thanks
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2/2 for TT1 pretty much finishing aswell as charge as he takes his third
Ensnare is pumping ghosts and now finishes his starport tech!
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Ensare playing so bad this game :X
Got played in the mind games by TT1 and over committed to defense, stims his entire to pick off a probe and now screwing up his buildings :S
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On June 03 2011 10:06 bkrow wrote:Think that is Xeris - i could be incredibly misinformed :p
You mean he :D
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I think Ensnare's army is gonna get crushed
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once 3-3 finishes for tt1 i feel like his army will just pwn ensnare's
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3-3 vs. 1-1
yeah this is over
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i see MoMaN playing every single game tonight
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Man those forcefields were pretty ridiculous from TT1 haha; Ensnare is sitting on the gold though
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Man 100 marine shots to kill a zealot holy fuuuuuuuck.
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Most of these matchups in this thread are wrong. And the links. Moman isn't playing twice, nor is TT1
Thanks for putting it up for us to talk about at least.
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why isnt he going hts.. lol
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i think the last time i saw ensnare win a game was like gsl open season 1 :\
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So many manner FF's
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Ok those were AWFUL ff, why were they called nice?...
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for some reason i thought xeris was older.. idk why
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Who's the broseph casting with Gretorp?
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Lol it was like TT1 was trying his best to lose with a huge advantage.
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On June 03 2011 10:22 DamageControL wrote:
Ok those were AWFUL ff, why were they called nice?...
I was being sarcastic =/ thus the caps
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I haven't enjoyed one bit of music played on the NASL thus far! Just use the same songs that the GSL uses in between games. : )
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TT1 was 200/200 with 3/3 against a 150 terran with 1-1 and didn't attack for so long that he almost let ensnare back into the game :X
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Aww yeah. TT1 like a boss :D
The listed games are accurate (i.e. the people listed with pictures, X v Y), right? Two of Moman's matches will be shown, right?
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On June 03 2011 10:18 MattRz wrote:i see MoMaN playing every single game tonight
On June 03 2011 10:21 Dexington wrote:
Most of these matchups in this thread are wrong. And the links. Moman isn't playing twice, nor is TT1
Thanks for putting it up for us to talk about at least.
Thank you both for pointing out the obvious;
The OP took the initiative to start a thread when noone else could be bothered and is now working on it as the games progress. Give him some time to get everything together as he is obviously using the old thread as a placeholder while he edits it.
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On June 03 2011 10:23 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:22 DamageControL wrote:
Ok those were AWFUL ff, why were they called nice?... I was being sarcastic =/ thus the caps
They were called nice on the stream, I meant...
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On June 03 2011 10:22 SKtheAnathema wrote:
i think the last time i saw ensnare win a game was like gsl open season 1 :\
Why do you think they choose him for NASL ?
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All the match up pics are messed up.
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Wewt TT1 =D
I actually really like Xeris as a caster :O
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Lol how is TT1 in any way a Korean slayer? lol. He's 2-2 against Koreans *rolls eyes*
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On June 03 2011 10:24 TDN wrote:
All the match up pics are messed up.
Right, since he's still editing; just wondering whether the listed players are accurate
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GG that was a pretty good game.
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On June 03 2011 10:23 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:23 sc14s wrote:On June 03 2011 10:22 DamageControL wrote:
Ok those were AWFUL ff, why were they called nice?... I was being sarcastic =/ thus the caps They were called nice on the stream, I meant...
Everytime a player uses more than 3 FF's at a time, these casters have a tendency to shout out "NICE FORCEFIELDS".
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Is there a reason that Moman and White-ra are both Terran on the first page in the op??!
EIDT: NOOO no game anyways...
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white ra -________________________-
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noooooooooooo! speshul taktiks!!!!!!!
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NOOOO WHITE RA!
You only lose by walk over :'(
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Lol more W/O's. I don't even know what to say at this point. It's almost not a surprise to me.
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awww white ra bailed? 
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No White-Ra? That is disappointing.
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Moman takes the walkover White-ra as Ra was over an hour late
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yay ruining liquibet. -.-
oh well.
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meetle want help with the OP?
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walkover into dead stream, yeah xD
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Walkover game into stream crash combo!
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goodbye sweet liquibet percentage lol
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Oh God dammit... why is it always the players I bet on who don't show up lol.
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stream down cos whitera was late
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lol nasl... never fail to disappoint.
as a french person and a whitera fan I was really looking forward to this match.
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white gets walked over and stream goes now, NOT A GOOD NIGHT TO BE ALIVE
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White-ra got pissed about the WO so he took the stream as he walked out.
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Whoa, my stream just died :o
What about you guys?
LOL I think it's a sign I need to study x__x
Have fun when the stream starts back up, guys~
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On June 03 2011 10:25 Marcus420 wrote:
yay ruining liquibet. -.-
Walkovers are changed to 0 points on Liquidbet
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white-ra
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dead stream lol
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Rofl. White might not get top two now because of his two walkovers. god wtf. he would have destroyed moman
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On June 03 2011 10:23 Mailing wrote:
TT1 was 200/200 with 3/3 against a 150 terran with 1-1 and didn't attack for so long that he almost let ensnare back into the game :X
He FF'd his Zealots every fight and still came on top, even if he lost his entire army he was too far ahead to ever lose (banking trust fund with warpgates), Ensare stopped upgrading after 1-1 for whatever reason :X
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On June 03 2011 10:25 Marcus420 wrote:
yay ruining liquibet. -.-
oh well.
Walk overs are worth 0 points.
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Walkover announcement into stream crash. GG.
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They really need to think of a way to stop all these walkovers in Season 2. Stream dead again btw.
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Walk it out, walk it out, walk it out
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Stream down?
Moman vs White Ra a W/O noooo Ra you fool. Doesn't this mean he pretty much can't make it into the top 2 of his group?
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white ra could not play. he had to clean the dishes. wife ra told him so. life sucks
but seriously.. why are there so many walkovers with this big of a price pool?!
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i bet his wife killed him for playing too much x]
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On June 03 2011 10:26 d(O.o)a wrote:Walk overs are worth 0 points.
i see
thanks!
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i don't know how people can blame nasl, white wa should of contacted them if he couldn't make the games. being an hour late is just unacceptable
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So many W/O and they never tell us beforehand. It kind of pisses me off, I understand that sometimes people just can't make it or something happens that they can't be there but I'm more pissed that NASL doesn't even tell us about it.
Edit: And stream down once again, also a nightly occurrence.
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Was there any explanation as to why Ra was late? That seems irresponsible to miss a league game when you're a professional gamer. It's literally your livelihood -- what else are you doing?
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How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues?
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On June 03 2011 10:27 IPA wrote:
Was there any explanation as to why Ra was late? That seems irresponsible to miss a league game when you're a professional gamer. It's literally your livelihood -- what else are you doing?
Real world shit comes up all the time; it's like any other job. Sick, emergency, family emergency, non-family related emergency..
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On June 03 2011 10:27 IPA wrote:
Was there any explanation as to why Ra was late? That seems irresponsible to miss a league game when you're a professional gamer. It's literally your livelihood -- what else are you doing?
They might have been saying why, but the stream crashed so all we got was an hour late and <stream dies>
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On June 03 2011 10:26 1Eris1 wrote:
Rofl. White might not get top two now because of his two walkovers. god wtf. he would have destroyed moman
Yeah pretty sad. I hope he realizes what situation he put himself in and really had no way of knowing he would be late, and no way of being on time because of an unforeseen situation. Otherwise, I don't know what he's thinking at all.
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On June 03 2011 10:27 Blasphemi wrote:
They really need to think of a way to stop all these walkovers in Season 2. Stream dead again btw.
its not hard.. make a larger period to be able to do the matches obviously
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On June 03 2011 10:25 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:23 DamageControL wrote:On June 03 2011 10:23 sc14s wrote:On June 03 2011 10:22 DamageControL wrote:
Ok those were AWFUL ff, why were they called nice?... I was being sarcastic =/ thus the caps They were called nice on the stream, I meant... Everytime a player uses more than 3 FF's at a time, these casters have a tendency to shout out "NICE FORCEFIELDS".
They said nice FF's when he manage to trap the group of marauders, they stayed silent when he proceeded to block his Zealots from getting into the Gold base
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On June 03 2011 10:27 Malgrif wrote:
i don't know how people can blame nasl, white wa should of contacted them if he couldn't make the games. being an hour late is just unacceptable
I can blame them for the first one when they didnt budge when he was playing in dreamhack and then later on for other players have been more flexible.
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On June 03 2011 10:27 IPA wrote:
Was there any explanation as to why Ra was late? That seems irresponsible to miss a league game when you're a professional gamer. It's literally your livelihood -- what else are you doing?
He's been travelling to Taiwan etc. because he joined the TT SC2 team. I'm sure he's pretty busy, he's one of the highest paid in terms of sponsorships and winnings.
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Walk over of interesting match into stream death, NASL in its purest form.
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On June 03 2011 10:27 Malgrif wrote:
i don't know how people can blame nasl, white wa should of contacted them if he couldn't make the games. being an hour late is just unacceptable
Give the insane number of walkovers going on so far I'm sure there's something that can be done or changed to stop there being so many.
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Their internet connection was so upset about the walk over that it crashed XD
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Does the stream ever work properly :/
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On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues?
Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers?
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On June 03 2011 10:28 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:27 IPA wrote:
Was there any explanation as to why Ra was late? That seems irresponsible to miss a league game when you're a professional gamer. It's literally your livelihood -- what else are you doing? Real world shit comes up all the time; it's like any other job. Sick, emergency, family emergency, non-family related emergency..
I suppose; but even with a large family and group of friends, I've maybe had to miss 3 days of work in the last couple years (due to emergency). Seems like people are missing NASL games left and right.
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Im off to sleep only match i wanted to see was white ra but the stream crashed anyways LoL fail much more pls
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I was trying to watch the relay race, then I come to NASL and see a non-live stream... oh well
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On June 03 2011 10:27 Blasphemi wrote:
They really need to think of a way to stop all these walkovers in Season 2.
Hope they'll think a way to fix these streamcrashes aswell
tt
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On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers?
lol you beat me to it.
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How can you give a wo of a league when you're 2nd in your group ? ><
How can nasl stream be down 2 hours a day during a 4 hours show ?
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Pretty sure white-ra was in Taiwan for promotional activities because he attended computex. maybe that was part of the reason.
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sigh... stream crashed again =/ how... predictable... after last night's nightmares the stream still cannot handle the audience. For such a major tournament that last so long I expect the NASL to have came up with a solution already. Maybe have a 2nd stream running on a separate internet connection and buy a UPS? Investing maybe another 1k into stability should be worth it.
On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers?
TSL had a lot more than that...
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finally finished the OP. Tell if some stuff is still wrong.
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Lame that Moman took the walk over win. He isn't even in a position to even make the playoffs, given any other situation I wouldn't have cared but he potentially denied White-ra from making top 2 :X
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On June 03 2011 10:28 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:25 Sein wrote:On June 03 2011 10:23 DamageControL wrote:On June 03 2011 10:23 sc14s wrote:On June 03 2011 10:22 DamageControL wrote:
Ok those were AWFUL ff, why were they called nice?... I was being sarcastic =/ thus the caps They were called nice on the stream, I meant... Everytime a player uses more than 3 FF's at a time, these casters have a tendency to shout out "NICE FORCEFIELDS". They said nice FF's when he manage to trap the group of marauders, they stayed silent when he proceeded to block his Zealots from getting into the Gold base They also totally shouted nice ff when he dropped two that did...well nothing, didn't help or hurt him.
Honestly, it's not just these casters, its the everycaster.
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On June 03 2011 10:30 QTIP. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers? lol you beat me to it.
TSL had 30k every week, and didn't crash until the finals, with like 45k.
15 is ez pz.
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looking forward to seeing incontrol getting stomped by july
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I'm sorry guys.
The stream always dies on days I try to watch so it's obviously womthing I do that destroys it :/
I'll go to bed now so you can enjoy the matches...
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On June 03 2011 10:28 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:27 Blasphemi wrote:
They really need to think of a way to stop all these walkovers in Season 2. Stream dead again btw. its not hard.. make a larger period to be able to do the matches obviously
Yeah sounds incredibly easy, in fact I bet it's exactly as easy as it was for you to type it. It's not like the scheduling for this kind of thing is necessarily extremely tight...they haven't made the rules they have to be dicks to players. They did it so they could run their tournament.
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Everyone refresh, the stream has been reassembled with duct tape is running!
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On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers?
IdrA has gotten 15k viewers and it runs as smooth as silk... Don't be ignorant.
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On June 03 2011 10:31 Dommk wrote:
Lame that Moman took the walk over win. He isn't even in a position to even make the playoffs, given any other situation I wouldn't have cared but he potentially denied White-ra from making top 2 :X
White-a denied White-Ra from making Top 2.
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On June 03 2011 10:30 MrCon wrote:
How can you give a wo of a league when you're 2nd in your group ? ><
How can nasl stream be down 2 hours a day during a 4 hours show ?
im just glad i didnt get the NASL pass... not the first season anyway. The content is great but they struggle with execution/production
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On June 03 2011 10:31 Vorenius wrote:
I'm sorry guys.
The stream always dies on days I try to watch so it's obviously womthing I do that destroys it :/
I'll go to bed now so you can enjoy the matches...
It dies every day don't worry.
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30 second countdown...ok?
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On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers?
I don't remember TLO having any problems when he did his 24hr marathon stream and he was floating around 20k+ the whole time, he started to run into bandwidth problems but just closed out of other stuff on his comp and was good to go
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On June 03 2011 10:30 QTIP. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers? lol you beat me to it.
Decorah Eagles says hi, they have almost 20k at all times and during the last MLG it was up to something like 50k.
Something else is going on with JTV and NASL and I hope they figure it out soon.
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On June 03 2011 10:31 two.watup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:30 QTIP. wrote:On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers? lol you beat me to it. TSL had 30k every week, and didn't crash until the finals, with like 45k. 15 is ez pz.
TSL is not something run from a computer either  Plus, I'm pretty sure they have a little more experience when it comes to the whole stream thing than the NASL.
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On June 03 2011 10:30 QTIP. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers? lol you beat me to it.
TLO had 20k for couple hours during his charity event, there was no problems. Is whole NASL team more incompetent than 1 German dude?
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On June 03 2011 10:32 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:28 sc14s wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Blasphemi wrote:
They really need to think of a way to stop all these walkovers in Season 2. Stream dead again btw. its not hard.. make a larger period to be able to do the matches obviously Yeah sounds incredibly easy, in fact I bet it's exactly as easy as it was for you to type it. It's not like the scheduling for this kind of thing is necessarily extremely tight...they haven't made the rules they have to be dicks to players. They did it so they could run their tournament.
some people probably dont even wanna play no matter how long they get, if youre like 0-8 or something you probably dont wanna get embarassed more
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15k is nothing, I really feel bad for people who were conned into paying for this shit.
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On June 03 2011 10:31 Dommk wrote:
Lame that Moman took the walk over win. He isn't even in a position to even make the playoffs, given any other situation I wouldn't have cared but he potentially denied White-ra from making top 2 :X
Its not up to the player any more, its just NASL rules now.
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On June 03 2011 10:32 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:28 sc14s wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Blasphemi wrote:
They really need to think of a way to stop all these walkovers in Season 2. Stream dead again btw. its not hard.. make a larger period to be able to do the matches obviously Yeah sounds incredibly easy, in fact I bet it's exactly as easy as it was for you to type it. It's not like the scheduling for this kind of thing is necessarily extremely tight...they haven't made the rules they have to be dicks to players. They did it so they could run their tournament.
TSL managed to do it and so do IGN they all work from replays in the same way.
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So they are just turning stream off for 45 mins to make up for white-ra not playing>?
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On June 03 2011 10:33 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:32 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 10:28 sc14s wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Blasphemi wrote:
They really need to think of a way to stop all these walkovers in Season 2. Stream dead again btw. its not hard.. make a larger period to be able to do the matches obviously Yeah sounds incredibly easy, in fact I bet it's exactly as easy as it was for you to type it. It's not like the scheduling for this kind of thing is necessarily extremely tight...they haven't made the rules they have to be dicks to players. They did it so they could run their tournament. TSL managed to do it and so do IGN they all work from replays in the same way.
NASL doesn't work from replays.
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Number of time I've seen GSL Stream crash = 0.
And it's live.
Even free tournaments like IPL/TSL don't have these issues almost every single day.
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On June 03 2011 10:32 Vendor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:30 QTIP. wrote:On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers? lol you beat me to it. Decorah Eagles says hi, they have almost 20k at all times and during the last MLG it was up to something like 50k. Something else is going on with JTV and NASL and I hope they figure it out soon.
During MLG, the eagles had over 100k viewers.
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On June 03 2011 10:33 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:32 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 10:28 sc14s wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Blasphemi wrote:
They really need to think of a way to stop all these walkovers in Season 2. Stream dead again btw. its not hard.. make a larger period to be able to do the matches obviously Yeah sounds incredibly easy, in fact I bet it's exactly as easy as it was for you to type it. It's not like the scheduling for this kind of thing is necessarily extremely tight...they haven't made the rules they have to be dicks to players. They did it so they could run their tournament. TSL managed to do it and so do IGN they all work from replays in the same way.
No, no they don't. NASL casts live, then rebroadcasts. The others were cast from replays, so the players could play whenever the two of them could make it, and had a much greater amount of time in which to play it. Don't talk out your ass.
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On June 03 2011 10:34 Thrax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:33 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 10:32 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 10:28 sc14s wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Blasphemi wrote:
They really need to think of a way to stop all these walkovers in Season 2. Stream dead again btw. its not hard.. make a larger period to be able to do the matches obviously Yeah sounds incredibly easy, in fact I bet it's exactly as easy as it was for you to type it. It's not like the scheduling for this kind of thing is necessarily extremely tight...they haven't made the rules they have to be dicks to players. They did it so they could run their tournament. TSL managed to do it and so do IGN they all work from replays in the same way. NASL doesn't work from replays.
My bad, well maybe thats the problem to be solved then.
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On June 03 2011 10:35 Blasphemi wrote:
Number of time I've seen GSL Stream crash = 0.
And it's live.
Even free tournaments like IPL/TSL don't have these issues almost every single day.
You must not have watched the first season. But granted, they did fix them later on.
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Man white-ra walkover really muddies the waters in terms of who will be the top 2.
Especially if darkforce wins here... even moreso if incontrol somehow manages to beat july as well.
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On June 03 2011 10:35 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:32 Vendor wrote:On June 03 2011 10:30 QTIP. wrote:On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers? lol you beat me to it. Decorah Eagles says hi, they have almost 20k at all times and during the last MLG it was up to something like 50k. Something else is going on with JTV and NASL and I hope they figure it out soon. During MLG, the eagles had over 100k viewers.
I thought it was that high but couldn't remember to low balled it lol :>
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I'm sure it's the problem with Xeris xD
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On June 03 2011 10:36 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:33 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 10:32 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 10:28 sc14s wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Blasphemi wrote:
They really need to think of a way to stop all these walkovers in Season 2. Stream dead again btw. its not hard.. make a larger period to be able to do the matches obviously Yeah sounds incredibly easy, in fact I bet it's exactly as easy as it was for you to type it. It's not like the scheduling for this kind of thing is necessarily extremely tight...they haven't made the rules they have to be dicks to players. They did it so they could run their tournament. TSL managed to do it and so do IGN they all work from replays in the same way. No, no they don't. NASL casts live, then rebroadcasts. The others were cast from replays, so the players could play whenever the two of them could make it, and had a much greater amount of time in which to play it. Don't talk out your ass.
No need to be aggressive, its still their choice to do it that way.
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Move the CC closer Sjow, do it!
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On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers?
@_@? idra consistently gets that many viewers
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On June 03 2011 10:37 Vendor wrote:
Move the CC closer Sjow, do it!
that was a fail :p
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On June 03 2011 10:37 iyoume wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers? @_@? idra consistently gets that many viewers
Yeah Idra does get that many, he also has problems from time to time.
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Number of time I've seen GSL Stream crash = 0.
And it's live.
Even free tournaments like IPL/TSL don't have these issues almost every single day.
The GSL stream was pretty bad the first couple of seasons. This is the NASL's first season. Give them a break.
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They should fine the players a portion of their $250 for each missing match, even if they have a seemingly legitimate reason for missing one. I get the feeling some of these missed games are real issues but many are players making excuses and not putting forth enough effort to get their match played, there are far too many walkovers for them all to be legitimate.
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Morrow is going to have 5 rax reapers and baneling busting following him forever -.-'
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Building armor coming out for SjoW, he's got this game won now.
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lol @ sjow attacking his techlab
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sjow macro
1100 mins. lulz.
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Edit: I like how sjows army basically stays at the same supply for 10 seconds, then jumps 20 immedietly
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On June 03 2011 10:33 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:31 Dommk wrote:
Lame that Moman took the walk over win. He isn't even in a position to even make the playoffs, given any other situation I wouldn't have cared but he potentially denied White-ra from making top 2 :X Its not up to the player any more, its just NASL rules now.
Not to mention that even though he can't make the playoffs he does have a chance to auto stay in the league with other matches going his way.
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What is it with players and no-shows for this tournament? It's like they don't really want or need the money.
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Yeah wtf sjow....two thors...
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Okay, totally didn't except it to go like that..
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Tow thors is your entire air defense against a bunch of mutas???? ;/
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That was predictable. He moved out with only 3 units that could shoot up, two thors and a marine. And then the thors moved out front.
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How does an army of banelings kill an army of tanks and thors... does not compute.
edit: oh didn't realise he was unsieged.
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On June 03 2011 10:34 Thrax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:33 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 10:32 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 10:28 sc14s wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Blasphemi wrote:
They really need to think of a way to stop all these walkovers in Season 2. Stream dead again btw. its not hard.. make a larger period to be able to do the matches obviously Yeah sounds incredibly easy, in fact I bet it's exactly as easy as it was for you to type it. It's not like the scheduling for this kind of thing is necessarily extremely tight...they haven't made the rules they have to be dicks to players. They did it so they could run their tournament. TSL managed to do it and so do IGN they all work from replays in the same way. NASL doesn't work from replays.
Maybe they should
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On June 03 2011 10:46 Gudeldar wrote:
Why did Sjow not siege?!
He even unsieged some as the banes were coming... odd decision.
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Really good choice here by sjow, giving himself enough time to get vikings. and the broodlords are MILES away. WP sjow lets see if it works.
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I don't play Terran, but I can't help but think the Viking to Thor ratio is pretty off for Sjow
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darkforce is toying with sjow, it seems
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Go SjoW with your 24min Stim timing!
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Holy shit. Darkforce, that was awesome!
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This is why no one goes mech other than goody
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lol "no medivacs out on foot"
gg
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On June 03 2011 10:52 Haplo_33 wrote:
Holy shit. Darkforce, that was awesome!
It was more sjow throwing away an entire mech army early on
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painful to see Sjow 1a everything lol
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darkforce hwaiting! EAT EMMMM. nice fungals by darkforce, he coulda done better with the zerglings in the terrans base thought.
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With WR losing, it is the chance to go 2nd for Sjow.
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Sjow went goody mech with sjow macro as gretorp said, but unfortunately with sjow decision making.
He didnt utilize mech like goody does, and made a terrible choice to send the 2 thors in front to get picked off by BANES, just to get his tanks picked off by the mutas afterwards.
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On June 03 2011 10:56 gh0un wrote:Sjow went goody mech with sjow macro as gretorp said, but unfortunately with sjow micro if you get the point He didnt utilize mech like goody does, and made a terrible choice to send the 2 thors in front to get picked off by BANES, just to get his tanks picked off by the mutas afterwards.
Sjow actually has quite excellent micro imo, thanks to his WC3 background. Its his multi-tasking that can be lacking at times.
But yeah, he also lacks the magical touch Goody has with his mech.
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what happened with whitera?
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Is it my imagination or are they falling for the salvaged bunker loss bug? Cuz I could have sworn that Sjow salvaged both bunkers (they looked like they had a bunch of hp still left, as well as the salvage sound/animation).
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On June 03 2011 10:57 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:56 gh0un wrote:Sjow went goody mech with sjow macro as gretorp said, but unfortunately with sjow micro if you get the point He didnt utilize mech like goody does, and made a terrible choice to send the 2 thors in front to get picked off by BANES, just to get his tanks picked off by the mutas afterwards. Sjow actually has quite excellent micro imo, thanks to his WC3 background. Its his multi-tasking that can be lacking at times.
His micro really wasnt good in that engagement, but that actually wasnt the glaring mistake, it was his decision making, therefore i changed it in the post^^
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bad expansion timing by sjow
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lol sjow going for equal expo count
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looks like sjow wants to see the incontrol-july game just as bad as i do
actually he's playing pretty decent just wanted to make that joke
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15 minutes and still no combat shield?
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I hate terrans who push with like 3 tanks and expect to do anything =/
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Double raven out of nowhere? What the heck?
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Spending your gas on ravens instead of tanks? Yeah, you deserve to lose...
Damnit Sjow!
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Sjow's macro looked kind of sloppy in these two games. Anyway gg Darkforce.
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Darkforce sjowing this Terran how to play Starcraft.
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What was SjoW thinking =(
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Sjow was pathetic. What was that?
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I'm so confused, he went into that push at 140 supply. But that army was less than 40 supply (3 tanks a few medicacs maybe 20 marines?), where was everything else?
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Not really an upset, Sjow openly says his worst matchup is TvZ.
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sjow just played....bad, and darkforce played solid with nice transition timings. Not much else to say.
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So, 3 players in this division now at 5-3..
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Sjow was getting greedy with the 4th expansion, I think he really threw away his league there. Darkforce, eat emmmmm!
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Haha casters are just dumb...
Its not a upset.. people are just catching up to sjows bad mechanics and micro and Darkforce has stepped up his play really well lately. I really thought he sucked since a month back but he is quite good now.
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On June 03 2011 11:09 Wuster wrote:
I'm so confused, he went into that push at 140 supply. But that army was less than 40 supply (3 tanks a few medicacs maybe 20 marines?), where was everything else?
scvs.
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Darkforce gonna be the Darkhorse and make top 2!
I wonder if I'm the first person to make that bad joke. Very well played on his part though, handled the banshees very well, and didn't throw away many units.
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Darkforce did great holding that heavy banshee harass and marine tank pushes early on. Sjow's macro was just really bad after that...
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im really hyped for incontrol vs july
foreign amateur-bw player vs frikkin golden mouse winner july
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On June 03 2011 10:32 Vendor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 10:30 QTIP. wrote:On June 03 2011 10:30 KotaOnCue wrote:On June 03 2011 10:27 Fleebenworth wrote:
How is it that NASL has problems every fucking time and other people who are just streaming from their computer rarely experience issues? Because the other people streaming don't have 15k viewers? lol you beat me to it. Decorah Eagles says hi, they have almost 20k at all times and during the last MLG it was up to something like 50k. Something else is going on with JTV and NASL and I hope they figure it out soon.
I think it topped out at 102k if I remember correctly from MLG Dallas.
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On June 03 2011 11:09 GwSC wrote:
So, 3 players in this division now at 5-3..
yes, but sjow and ra have a way better win ratio, no chance for darkforce to qualify with equal points?
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so what, White-Ra, Sjow and Darkforce both have 5-3 and they are gonna battle for 2nd place?
this group is really interesting.
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July going to take the series for sure, he's been playing awesome lately and just came off a CSN COTH victory.
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My liquibet has shit itself today
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yeehaw DF interview :D ..or better talkforce
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On June 03 2011 11:10 zyzq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:09 Wuster wrote:
I'm so confused, he went into that push at 140 supply. But that army was less than 40 supply (3 tanks a few medicacs maybe 20 marines?), where was everything else? scvs.
Sheesh, I see why people were saying he got too greedy.
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On June 03 2011 11:09 Pajegetc wrote:
Not really an upset, Sjow openly says his worst matchup is TvZ.
And ZvT is Darkforce best. Also Sjow is playing much worse lately than a few months ago.
Thats why my Liquibet was on Darkforce of course.
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Adjust that camera resolution! Xeris looks uncomfortable, I think he noticed but doesn't want to say anything
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stoneface caster deluxe...
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On June 03 2011 11:08 Dayvx wrote:
What was SjoW thinking =(
His best game certainly didn't sjow up...
Thank you, I'm here all weekend
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What was annoying from Sjow is that his tanks did not even protect part of his marines. They were wasted, then tanks were wasted. He didn't have much anyway, why push out? Why make 4th expansion?
Darkforce did very little. He just exploited the mistakes. Still, credit to him.
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Omfg... WhiteRa gets the god damn walkover when he could have easily defeated Moman, and then Sjow ends up losing, so WhiteRa would have definitely been in the lead. I really wanted Darkforce to win for that exact reason... but I guess Sjow losing is good news either way for WhiteRa.
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Blurry webcam, and his half of the face is not in the picture :D
Darkforce seems a bit of nerd. I guess we all are.
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On June 03 2011 11:11 jmbthirteen wrote:His best game certainly didn't sjow up... Thank you, I'm here all weekend
....I will destroy you. I can't believe I grinned at that. I hate you so much
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On June 03 2011 11:11 Moonwrath wrote:
My liquibet has shit itself today
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On June 03 2011 11:09 jazzyjazz wrote:
Sjow was getting greedy with the 4th expansion, I think he really threw away his league there. Darkforce, eat emmmmm!
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He definitely was greedy in the sense that he tried to get the fast 4th AND pressure at the same time.
If you want to get an economical lead by going for a fast 4th, then go play defensively for gods sake, especially if you are terran.
He had equal supply and a good amount of marines and siege tanks, if he had played it out defensively he wouldve had a good shot at setting up a delayed win, instead he put down the expansion and randomly went out and lost all his army.
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haha.. Darkforce so happy
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Lol, Darkforce sounds so happy saying his next match is QXC
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"yeah its QXC" *big grin*
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Has anyone else noticed that the caster always looks away from the camera? It's kind of weird...
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On June 03 2011 11:12 Xxavi wrote:
Blurry webcam, and his half of the face is not in the picture :D
Darkforce seems a bit of nerd. I guess we all are.
He's a total nerd, but still quite funny at times. His personality has gained him quite a big following in the German scene.
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pfft, I hope QXC does his reaper + Medivacs next week.
2 Rax + Bunker is not Cheesy Darkforce -.-'
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On June 03 2011 11:13 GwSC wrote:
Lol, Darkforce sounds so happy saying his next match is QXC
Who wouldnt be right now?
Side note; I already miss Gretorop + inc/bitter, xeris is pretty meh
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Looking at the standings, does this mean that July has now won the group regardless of what else happens tonight?
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Cut this short now, this Darkforce would love to speak all night :D
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Apparently Darkforce hasn't heard of QXC. Here is a tip, don't take the island because it will be scanned
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On June 03 2011 11:14 jazzyjazz wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that the caster always looks away from the camera? It's kind of weird...
I believe he's looking at the darkforce on his screen.
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On June 03 2011 11:13 Redox wrote:
"yeah its QXC" *big grin*
Hah I laughed at this.
I miss the old qxc.
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yo great interview, darkforce. I like your energy, keep up the good games.
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darkforce setting him straight hahaa.. actually im the favorite. LOL awesome. <3 df.
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On June 03 2011 11:15 Chicane wrote:Hah I laughed at this. I miss the old qxc.
Yeah, what happened to that guy? He was good and fun to watch.
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On June 03 2011 11:15 Chicane wrote:Hah I laughed at this. I miss the old qxc.
Sir TryHard was the best :-(.
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Interviewer was bad, but Darkforce (aka Talkforce in the german community) always talks a lot, so it wasnt a problem.
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"btw guys, sjow aint got shit on me" :D
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Congrats to Darkforce, completely outplayed Sjow there. Shouldn't be a huge surprise though, loads of Euro Terrans have been struggling against Zerg recently.
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On June 03 2011 11:14 Adreme wrote:
Looking at the standings, does this mean that July has now won the group regardless of what else happens tonight?
If July loses this week end next week and Sjow/Ra/Darkforce win next week they'd all be 6-3 unless I missed something
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Xeris .. just wow, not sure what to say doesn't he research the players or know who darkforce is ? i think MABYE sjow was a fav but the way that Xeris made it sound like darkforce what a utter noob and no1 expected he could win..
Im glad darkforce set him straight.
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On June 03 2011 11:14 Adreme wrote:
Looking at the standings, does this mean that July has now won the group regardless of what else happens tonight?
Well the worst July could do at this point is 6-3, and the best the players currently at 5-3 can do is 6-3. So I guess it would come down to win-loss records.
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On June 03 2011 11:16 Redox wrote:Interviewer was bad, but Darkforce (aka Talkforce in the german community) always talks a lot, so it wasnt a problem.
<3 Talkforce.
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On June 03 2011 11:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:14 Adreme wrote:
Looking at the standings, does this mean that July has now won the group regardless of what else happens tonight? If July loses this week end next week and Sjow/Ra/Darkforce win next week they'd all be 6-3 unless I missed something
Yes, but in the best case for them they 2-0 next week and July loses 0-2 this week and next and they have the same amount of points but I think July has the victory over both of them so that means he wins right?
Edit: Im only asking because I dont want to prematurely celebrate July in the top16.
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Haha Dark Force is the most sincere and genuine Zerg I've ever seen interviewed. And why does Xeris look like there's a gun off-camera pointed at him forcing him to cast? He's actually a pretty good caster, but looks awkward and uncomfortable.
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July's matches are against Incontrol and Moman... Somehow I don't see him losing both of them.
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QXC fighting. Good night for my swarmy brethren too
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On June 03 2011 11:17 GwSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:14 Adreme wrote:
Looking at the standings, does this mean that July has now won the group regardless of what else happens tonight? Well the worst July could do at this point is 6-3, and the best the players currently at 5-3 can do is 6-3. So I guess it would come down to win-loss records.
If I'm correct Whitera and Sjow have to win 2-0 next week and July lose against Inc and whoever is next week 0-2 for him to not be top 2.
Not entirely sure though.
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On June 03 2011 11:17 UkGracken wrote:
Xeris .. just wow, not sure what to say doesn't he research the players or know who darkforce is ? i think MABYE sjow was a fav but the way that Xeris made it sound like darkforce what a utter noob and no1 expected he could win..
Im glad darkforce set him straight.
Lol the other caster is Xeris?
The guy who constantly posts totally uninformed stuff about the strength of certain players or teams on TL?
Now his opinions suddenly make sense. :D
I remember his posts about Empire not being a really good team and so on, oh well.
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Come on QXC! Defeat the protoss Villain known only as "cruncher"
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Wow, i really don't like xeris' style. Gonna watch nba finals instead...
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He's building 4 raxes to prepare for Cruncher cheesy style. QXC expands and knows teching would get himself killed.
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lol "scv all in" - no it's not
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This is some great micro by Cruncher
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On June 03 2011 11:22 Pajegetc wrote:
He's building 4 raxes to prepare for Cruncher cheesy style. QXC expands and knows teching would get himself killed.
Yeah Cruncher likes to make many stalker
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I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure.
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On June 03 2011 11:23 Moonwrath wrote:
This is some great micro by Cruncher
AMAZING micro. I cant fathom anyone can actaully pull that off
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On June 03 2011 11:18 SKtheAnathema wrote:
Haha Dark Force is the most sincere and genuine Zerg I've ever seen interviewed. And why does Xeris look like there's a gun off-camera pointed at him forcing him to cast? He's actually a pretty good caster, but looks awkward and uncomfortable.
Hahaha awesome description of Xeris... it's perfect. I did like Darkforce's interview though.
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I admit it. I'm also easy to please in terms of casters. what's wrong with gretorp? He's wrong a lot, but he's right a decent amount too, and it's impossible to not make some predictions that are wrong.
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Wonder if Cruncher actually timed this, 1/1 finished just as QCX's Stim was done
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On June 03 2011 11:21 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Wow, i really don't like xeris' style. Gonna watch nba finals instead...
i hope you were watching both. the last 3 minutes of the half were impressive.
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On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure.
Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now
I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring
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Reaper Speed Researching :-D
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On June 03 2011 11:25 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:18 SKtheAnathema wrote:
Haha Dark Force is the most sincere and genuine Zerg I've ever seen interviewed. And why does Xeris look like there's a gun off-camera pointed at him forcing him to cast? He's actually a pretty good caster, but looks awkward and uncomfortable. Hahaha awesome description of Xeris... it's perfect. I did like Darkforce's interview though.
It might be that Xeris actually has like...huge eyes. Like an anime character. Not an insult, just an observation.
Seems pretty good at casting imo, but then casters only have to fill one of two criteria for me;
1) Be relatively unobtrusive to listen to so I can zone them out if I don't feel like paying attention, and not saying anything completely dumb.
or
2) Be fucking awesome and hilarious.
He fits well into 1).
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8 ghosts in production for QXC.... accidentally clicks on nitro pack upgrade instead of combat shield.
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late game reapers! :D the new vultures harass of sc2!
if they even come out that is.
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Hmm, QXC doesn't seem to have prepared for Cruncher. If he watched his recent PvT's he would realize Cruncher likes these mass gateway plays which are vulnerable to fast stim/medivacs :X
Also sloppy, not trying to snipe the Nexus as he dropped the natural
I can't see this going well for QXC, you need a lot of Medivacs and a few Ghosts, not the other way around
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Cruncher is absolutely DESTROYING that army
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Cruncher's pretty good yo.
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On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring
He has a lot of cute micro tricks tho!
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On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring
He has been the most aggressive Protoss in the NASL these past few weeks. Seriously, players like Socke, Hasu, etc are much much more passive than Cruncher.
He did some Voidray/Colossus builds before, great, but that isn't what he does now.
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On June 03 2011 11:31 Sight- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has a lot of cute micro tricks tho!
I've never seen him do this build before. In fact I think that whole 'Cruncher can only all in or turtle' thing is old hat...it seemed like it about 2 months ago but I don't think it's fair criticism now.
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Cruncher hate is like the most unexplainable thing in the sc2 community for me.
He really is a solid toss, and has a big variety of builds in his play.
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How many HT was that? And Cruncher is getting Dark Shrine to just rub it in.
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Has QXC been blow 1k mins since the 13 min mark? His macro this game is painful to watch =/
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On June 03 2011 11:32 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:31 Sight- wrote:On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has a lot of cute micro tricks tho! I've never seen him do this build before. In fact I think that whole 'Cruncher can only all in or turtle' thing is old hat...it seemed like it about 2 months ago but I don't think it's fair criticism now.
how did he not turtle this game?
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On June 03 2011 11:32 Redox wrote:
Cruncher hate is like the most unexplainable thing in the sc2 community for me.
He really is a solid toss, and has a big variety of builds in his play.
People love to parrot IdrA.
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On June 03 2011 11:33 VPCursed wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:32 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 11:31 Sight- wrote:On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has a lot of cute micro tricks tho! I've never seen him do this build before. In fact I think that whole 'Cruncher can only all in or turtle' thing is old hat...it seemed like it about 2 months ago but I don't think it's fair criticism now. how did he not turtle this game?
Its not a bad thing to turtle.
FlaSh anyone?
Holy crap thats alot of DTs.
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On June 03 2011 11:32 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has been the most aggressive Protoss in the NASL these past few weeks. Seriously, players like Socke, Hasu, etc are much much more passive than Cruncher. He did some Voidray/Colossus builds before, great, but that isn't what he does now.
Turtling doesn't have to be VR colossus
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On June 03 2011 11:29 Marcus420 wrote:
late game reapers! :D the new vultures harass of sc2!
if they even come out that is.
I've seen qxc use late game reapers before...maybe in the TSL. I remember it was on Xel'naga, and at first it failed horribly and then suddenly it was EPIC. I think against Genius, he was waaaay behind and using harrassment techniques including reapers he brought it back.
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On June 03 2011 11:32 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:31 Sight- wrote:On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has a lot of cute micro tricks tho! I've never seen him do this build before. In fact I think that whole 'Cruncher can only all in or turtle' thing is old hat...it seemed like it about 2 months ago but I don't think it's fair criticism now.
I haven't watched a lot of him but tbh, QXC forced him into passiveness here. If he was passive he could probably win fine. Being aggressive would have been difficult.
He's not brilliant but he seems...quite skilled.
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Holy shit that planetary died SO fast hahahahah
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lol those DTs just laughed at the planetary.
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I think people dont like his PvZ and they extend that to his other matchups which are rather entertaining. This PvT is really quite good and I think he had the first PvP that i saw go over 2 bases this year against Incontrol earlier in the NASL.
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Wait we MISSED THE EMPS!!! NOOOOOOOO OBSERVERRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!! DDDDDDDDD:
I think that sums it up
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Crunchers composition of Protoss units*
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Thanks for buffing the archon blizzard...
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On June 03 2011 11:34 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:33 VPCursed wrote:On June 03 2011 11:32 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 11:31 Sight- wrote:On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has a lot of cute micro tricks tho! I've never seen him do this build before. In fact I think that whole 'Cruncher can only all in or turtle' thing is old hat...it seemed like it about 2 months ago but I don't think it's fair criticism now. how did he not turtle this game? Its not a bad thing to turtle. FlaSh anyone? Holy crap thats alot of DTs.
When flash turtles. he does it like a god.
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Cruncher, please get shield upgrades!
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On June 03 2011 11:35 jmbthirteen wrote:
Thanks for buffing the archon blizzard...
Come on, QXC played sillily this game...
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So many fucking gateways.
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Cruncher looking really strong atm. QXC dropped 3 emps on that army? That seemed a little excessive. the 2nd and 3rd emp looked like they were in the same spot
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this map is the new python. so..... boring.
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On June 03 2011 11:34 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:29 Marcus420 wrote:
late game reapers! :D the new vultures harass of sc2!
if they even come out that is. I've seen qxc use late game reapers before...maybe in the TSL. I remember it was on Xel'naga, and at first it failed horribly and then suddenly it was EPIC. I think against Genius, he was waaaay behind and using harrassment techniques including reapers he brought it back.
I've been thinking a bit about using a smallish reaper squad in mid to late game as building snipers as you draw units away from bases.
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QXC down 9 bases to 2....
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Somethings happening to me...
I'm enjoying Cruncher's play.
Seriously, Mass Gateway is awesome.
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On June 03 2011 11:34 Clog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:32 Dommk wrote:On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has been the most aggressive Protoss in the NASL these past few weeks. Seriously, players like Socke, Hasu, etc are much much more passive than Cruncher. He did some Voidray/Colossus builds before, great, but that isn't what he does now. Turtling doesn't have to be VR colossus
Show me a Protoss in PvT that has been more aggressive than Cruncher has this game, I dare you (whilst expanding). His army has been on the Terran side of the map for 80% of this game
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On June 03 2011 11:34 Sight- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:32 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 11:31 Sight- wrote:On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has a lot of cute micro tricks tho! I've never seen him do this build before. In fact I think that whole 'Cruncher can only all in or turtle' thing is old hat...it seemed like it about 2 months ago but I don't think it's fair criticism now. I haven't watched a lot of him but tbh, QXC forced him into passiveness here. If he was passive he could probably win fine. Being aggressive would have been difficult. He's not brilliant but he seems...quite skilled.
I agree, he's just playing completely solid. He's making QXC look bad. He's not doing anything incredible but he's not making mistakes either.
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Archon is way OP
User was warned for this post
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MASSIVE dt wave at the end, Cruncher just had control of that game from the start and just kept killing QXC very slowly!
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Bruce Almighty is absolutely atrocious. A lot of things are starting to make sense now.
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On June 03 2011 11:37 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:34 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:32 Dommk wrote:On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has been the most aggressive Protoss in the NASL these past few weeks. Seriously, players like Socke, Hasu, etc are much much more passive than Cruncher. He did some Voidray/Colossus builds before, great, but that isn't what he does now. Turtling doesn't have to be VR colossus Show me a Protoss in PvT that has been more aggressive than Cruncher has this game, I dare you (whilst expanding)
Cruncher attacks multiple times, takes 9! bases, constantly harasses qxc's expansions and people still call it "turtling."
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On June 03 2011 11:38 Grimwold wrote:
Archon is way OP
Not even close.
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On June 03 2011 11:35 jmbthirteen wrote:
Thanks for buffing the archon blizzard...
No need to nerf marauders anymore :D
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Protoss is the new Zerg! Seriously, Protoss looks pretty fun on that map.
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On June 03 2011 11:38 Grimwold wrote:
Archon is way OP
He was so ahead he could've rallied probes at qxc and still win.
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Wow, Gretorp and Xeris are really starting to annoy me with this archon QQ.
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On June 03 2011 11:38 Grimwold wrote:
Archon is way OP
Sigh, can't we just recognize when someone completely outplays their opponent instead of blaming the game itself?
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On June 03 2011 11:36 WniO wrote:
this map is the new python. so..... boring.
xel'naga cavern is the new python. Tal'darim doesnt even feel that old yet.
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People hate Cruncher because his wins involve his opponents making mistakes and not responding appropriately to his play while all his losses make him look totally outclassed. He never seems to 'outplay' his opponent in an even game; says nothing bad about the guy, just seems to be the result of his style and the way players deal with it.
As an example look at that game: QXC with a strange build and poor macro, failing to scan DT's in fights, etc. If QXC's floating minerals had been army that game it could have been very different, so judging how good Cruncher is from it is pretty difficult (though he played a solid game that punished mistakes harshly).
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On June 03 2011 11:38 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:37 Dommk wrote:On June 03 2011 11:34 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:32 Dommk wrote:On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has been the most aggressive Protoss in the NASL these past few weeks. Seriously, players like Socke, Hasu, etc are much much more passive than Cruncher. He did some Voidray/Colossus builds before, great, but that isn't what he does now. Turtling doesn't have to be VR colossus Show me a Protoss in PvT that has been more aggressive than Cruncher has this game, I dare you (whilst expanding) Cruncher attacks multiple times, takes 9! bases, constantly harasses qxc's expansions and people still call it "turtling."
Yeah it's a fucking joke. But it goes to show that people don't even bother to actually watch the game and just blindly hate on a player for the sake of it
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On June 03 2011 11:36 zyzq wrote:
horrible gg timing
qxc is the biggest tryhard ever. He's comeback from ridiculous scenarios because of it.
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On June 03 2011 11:38 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:37 Dommk wrote:On June 03 2011 11:34 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:32 Dommk wrote:On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has been the most aggressive Protoss in the NASL these past few weeks. Seriously, players like Socke, Hasu, etc are much much more passive than Cruncher. He did some Voidray/Colossus builds before, great, but that isn't what he does now. Turtling doesn't have to be VR colossus Show me a Protoss in PvT that has been more aggressive than Cruncher has this game, I dare you (whilst expanding) Cruncher attacks multiple times, takes 9! bases, constantly harasses qxc's expansions and people still call it "turtling."
Yup. People are being soo bias against Cruncher. Nothing but awesome Protoss mass gateway/ mass expand play. Really cool to watch, and this is coming from someone who wanted nothing more than Cruncher to crash and burn out of the scene a few months ago.
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On June 03 2011 11:39 Monoamine wrote:
Wow, Gretorp and Xeris are really starting to annoy me with this archon QQ.
They haven't complained at any point...they've said archons are really good a couple of times. That's...a positive remark?
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On June 03 2011 11:37 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:34 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:32 Dommk wrote:On June 03 2011 11:28 Clog wrote:On June 03 2011 11:24 Sight- wrote:
I don't get why people hate cruncher? he seems not that awful?
Not quite idras level but...
Edit: In the same league for sure. Just my opinion, but it's mostly that he is really boring to watch. I'm even yawning right now I guess the best way to describe it would be he either all ins off 2 base or turtles like crazy like he is this game. Better than all inning every game but it seems like all his games are one of like 3 builds and I find it boring He has been the most aggressive Protoss in the NASL these past few weeks. Seriously, players like Socke, Hasu, etc are much much more passive than Cruncher. He did some Voidray/Colossus builds before, great, but that isn't what he does now. Turtling doesn't have to be VR colossus Show me a Protoss in PvT that has been more aggressive than Cruncher has this game, I dare you (whilst expanding)
Lol. I'm saying I find his play boring. Don't really care if you think differently. Maybe I didn't explain it in the best way, but the guy asked why people hate him, and that's my pov. Sitting around until 2/2+ upgrades, HT, and 3 bases doesn't strike me as aggressive but to each his own
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On June 03 2011 11:39 Monoamine wrote:
Wow, Gretorp and Xeris are really starting to annoy me with this archon QQ.
Ya, he's harping on it so much...
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Archon isn't OP. When Protoss has 3-4 more bases, he is supposed to win easily. If it were equal bases, Cruncher would be in trouble with wasting so many templars and archons. Archons are good, but not OP.
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Protoss has the most testosterone of all the races. Balls balls balls
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On June 03 2011 11:39 Moonwrath wrote:Sigh, can't we just recognize when someone completely outplays their opponent instead of blaming the game itself?
Kinda hard when the casters won't shut up about how QXC played "amazingly well" and how Protoss has "so many death balls they can use."
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Xeris is hilarious.... I love that comment. "Protoss showing you don't need the collossus deathball to win... you can just use the archon deathball"
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On June 03 2011 11:39 Moonwrath wrote:Sigh, can't we just recognize when someone completely outplays their opponent instead of blaming the game itself?
Honestly just cause its cruncher people start the op unit bullshit. Qxc got crushed and outplayed totally plain and simple. Just cause u hate cruncher theres no reason to bring this shit in here
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On June 03 2011 11:40 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:39 Monoamine wrote:
Wow, Gretorp and Xeris are really starting to annoy me with this archon QQ. They haven't complained at any point...they've said archons are really good a couple of times. That's...a positive remark?
Now they are talking about Archon nerfs.....
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This is definitely my least favorite casting team so far, half the time they aren't even talking about the game being played, just random facts about units.
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Commentary is entertaining. I can't believe you people would rather argue balance than watch these fun games...
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No it can't xeris, no it can't -_-.
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Cruncher does a 1 to 2 base attack and wins; ALL CRUNCHER DOES IS ALL IN. Cruncher plays long macro game with constant harass; WOW ALL THIS GUY DOES IS TURTLE. I gotta say Cruncher probably has more haters then anyone else, although i assume its only the Idra mega fans who follow his every word.
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Apparently any time a protoss has any units it is a deathball.
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Gretorp's jokes are awkward. Yet again. He is a bit of Borat.
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they are just pushed by other units but they cant move
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Why are the complaining about archons...
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They need to STFU about nerfing Archons.
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Xeris whining like a baby about Archons is seriously getting on my nerves.
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On June 03 2011 11:41 Xxavi wrote:
Archon isn't OP. When Protoss has 3-4 more bases, he is supposed to win easily. If it were equal bases, Cruncher would be in trouble with wasting so many templars and archons. Archons are good, but not OP.
Agree archons were crap they needed the buff...
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Really, they aren't seriously talking about Imbalance. -.-'
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wait seriously they are saying that Archons are imbalanced? Wat? Have they ever actually used an archon its not THAT good lets be honest protoss players. :/
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People hate Cruncher because his wins involve his opponents making mistakes and not responding appropriately to his play while all his losses make him look totally outclassed. He never seems to 'outclass' his opponent; says nothing bad about the guy, just seems to be the result of his style.
As an example look at that game: QXC with a strange build and poor macro, failing to scan DT's in fights, etc. If QXC's floating minerals had been army that game it could have been very different, so judging how good Cruncher is from it is pretty difficult (though he played a solid game that punished mistakes harshly).
This is the exact same style that Kiwikaki has done in the past, when you are ahead on upgrades with Templar, DT's in your army is NOT a liability as your Zealots are constantly buffering and it forces scans from Terrans every fight. When they do get scanned you morph into Archons.
What Cruncher did this game didn't rely on any ounce of luck, he completely outplayed QXC. He was on 9 Bases dwarfing QXC's economy, better upgrades, better unit compositions. It is like the Ultralisk, when you are far ahead you just use DT's to finish off the game faster
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Yes Gretorp.
Get marines against HT tech and archons.
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On June 03 2011 11:40 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:39 Monoamine wrote:
Wow, Gretorp and Xeris are really starting to annoy me with this archon QQ. They haven't complained at any point...they've said archons are really good a couple of times. That's...a positive remark?
still thinking that after what the guy with gretorp just said?
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i think that makes the set now that ala day9 "the worst unit in the game" (yea maybe was a liiiiiiiiiiitle understated) is now OP there is now officially no protoss unit that isnt OP
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I agree with everyone above me, Archon is in no way imbalanced, they should focus on the game instead of bickering about how to "counter" the archon.
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WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT NERFING THE ARCHON?!!?!?!
WE'VE HAD HALF DECENT (they're still not OP) FOR LIKE A MONTH, AND PEOPLE ARE ALREADY COMPLAINING.
CRUNCHER WON THE EMP FEEDBACK MICRO WAR, AND QXC WAS PUNISHED FOR IT.
Gah. Rant over. For now.
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On June 03 2011 11:41 Xxavi wrote:
Archon isn't OP. When Protoss has 3-4 more bases, he is supposed to win easily. If it were equal bases, Cruncher would be in trouble with wasting so many templars and archons. Archons are good, but not OP.
You can replace Protoss with anything there.
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Cruncher is a decent player. All the hate toward him is unwarranted. He is miles better than a lot of players in NASL.
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this conversation is a joke. lets nerf the archon merge time, so when templar get emp'd mid-battle they are 100 percent dead
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I must comment on how bad the commentators are. They continue to say how great QXC played last game, yet QXC had a 20-30 supply lead for a 5 minute stretch during last game, yet did not attack, let Cruncher get every tech choice he wanted, then engage on Cruncher's terms when QXC's supply lead was gone, and he had far less tech and upgrades. For a professional player, he played terrible, yet the casters did not mention this once.
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I like this combo they are pretty chill IMO.
No indepth analysis, just relaxing entertainment. I got no problem with this on a thursday night. One more day or work
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Those guys are obviously having some fun. Relax, I doubt anyone actually thinks the Archon is OP -__-
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Cruncher just played that like a boss.
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I smell a 2-0 here. QXC got severely outplayed. Nothing about balance, and I say that as someone who hates Protoss.
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When did I like Cruncher? He's looking awesome.
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Cruncher - flanking with sentries.
LIKE A BOSS.
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United States97276 Posts
THE BUNKERS ARENT GOING TO COMPLETE!!
both bunkers complete
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Why stop repairing qxc
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QXC getting stomped again...
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too ez...
QXC gets totally outclassed.
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Solid calm play again from Cruncher. Well executed.
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Damn NASL outdid themselves with the boring casting.
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That was quick and painless (at least if you aren´t a marauder)
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There were 5 gates -.-
This people dont count lol.
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Good mental play by cruncher from long macro game to fast one base timing
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I am kind of glad that the series was ended short there at the end. No offense, but i really want to watch July, and Those games were not the funnest to watch.
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Lol that game was lulzy
qxc trying to do too much... getting stim, expanding, and researching +1 attack all that early ain't gonna work
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Cruncher has come a long way since TSL3
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Omg Cruncher turtle flank rushed QXC. All he knows how to do is turtle... jeez.
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On June 03 2011 11:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
4 gated post patch >.>
Naniwa already stated that if you chrono the gateway research once more instead of the stalker pre-patch its still the same build
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On June 03 2011 11:46 LoLAdriankat wrote:
I smell a 2-0 here. QXC got severely outplayed. Nothing about balance, and I say that as someone who hates Protoss.
I always laugh when someone just hates a race in a video game like this... its so sad when people simply can't enjoy a race... it really must suck for viewing competitive sc2, and maybe it's not the case with you, but when people hate a race it often leads to people QQing...
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Cruncher is simply much better than QXC. GG.
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Calling units imba and asking for them to be nerfed is terrible, terrible casting. Really. Any caster who does this should lose their job.
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On June 03 2011 11:48 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:46 LoLAdriankat wrote:
I smell a 2-0 here. QXC got severely outplayed. Nothing about balance, and I say that as someone who hates Protoss. I always laugh when someone just hates a race in a video game like this... its so sad when people simply can't enjoy a race... it really must suck for viewing competitive sc2, and maybe it's not the case with you, but when people hate a race it often leads to people QQing...
I always laugh when people take lighthearted statements seriously.
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A terran and Xeris commentating about a ZvP... It's going to be funky!
Anyway July fighting ! ! ! !
I love watching ZvP it's my favorite matchup. I mean, aliens vs aliens! What's more awesome than that?
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Crunchers been really good for months. Since before even qualifying for TSL3. He's always had this huge plethora of different builds he uses. Unfortunately his boring PvZ style caused alot of hate. He has awesome micro and solid macro though so I wish people would give credit where credit is due
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The stream froze on this image for a couple of minutes so i played around with paint.
![[image loading]](http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2060/nasl.png)
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On June 03 2011 11:48 SKtheAnathema wrote:
Omg Cruncher turtle flank rushed QXC. All he knows how to do is turtle... jeez.
Being too slow to get out of a turtle flank must be depressing.
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On June 03 2011 11:48 tomatriedes wrote:
Calling units imba and asking for them to be nerfed is terrible, terrible casting. Really. Any caster who does this should lose their job.
Dude I dont like the casting overall, but he was clearly joking.
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On June 03 2011 11:47 VanGooL wrote:
There were 5 gates -.-
This people dont count lol.
Yeah I thought I saw 5 but assumed I'd made a mistake.
This was the LegalMind build I believe.
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On June 03 2011 11:48 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:46 LoLAdriankat wrote:
I smell a 2-0 here. QXC got severely outplayed. Nothing about balance, and I say that as someone who hates Protoss. I always laugh when someone just hates a race in a video game like this... its so sad when people simply can't enjoy a race... it really must suck for viewing competitive sc2, and maybe it's not the case with you, but when people hate a race it often leads to people QQing...
Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. Chill out, people should. A silly word, hate is, to describe how you feel about a race in Starcraft...
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i have to admit that cruncher impressed me today.
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Ah now for threat of the day.
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Is there any watch to watch this without the horrible freezing every three seconds
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On June 03 2011 11:43 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +People hate Cruncher because his wins involve his opponents making mistakes and not responding appropriately to his play while all his losses make him look totally outclassed. He never seems to 'outclass' his opponent; says nothing bad about the guy, just seems to be the result of his style.
As an example look at that game: QXC with a strange build and poor macro, failing to scan DT's in fights, etc. If QXC's floating minerals had been army that game it could have been very different, so judging how good Cruncher is from it is pretty difficult (though he played a solid game that punished mistakes harshly). This is the exact same style that Kiwikaki has done in the past, when you are ahead on upgrades with Templar, DT's in your army is NOT a liability as your Zealots are constantly buffering and it forces scans from Terrans every fight. When they do get scanned you morph into Archons. What Cruncher did this game didn't rely on any ounce of luck, he completely outplayed QXC. He was on 9 Bases dwarfing QXC's economy, better upgrades, better unit compositions. It is like the Ultralisk, when you are far ahead you just use DT's to finish off the game faster
I'm not saying it was bad play at all; it's play designed to punish mistakes and comes out pretty even if a player responds appropriately (ie. it should be done); things like making 6 dt's and a-clicking a planetary, while smart, don't make you look good from a spectators point of view, however.
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Battle of the big guys now!
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On June 03 2011 11:49 Jayrod wrote:
Crunchers been really good for months. Since before even qualifying for TSL3. He's always had this huge plethora of different builds he uses. Unfortunately his boring PvZ style caused alot of hate. He has awesome micro and solid macro though so I wish people would give credit where credit is due
He crushed the best Zerg players doing that 3-base until deathball strategy that was popular on old Shakuras, that's when the hate really caught on.
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On June 03 2011 11:48 tomatriedes wrote:
Calling units imba and asking for them to be nerfed is terrible, terrible casting. Really. Any caster who does this should lose their job.
well i was annoyed at his involvement over nightend not being invited and he is not endearing himself anymore here.
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On June 03 2011 11:48 tomatriedes wrote:
Calling units imba and asking for them to be nerfed is terrible, terrible casting. Really. Any caster who does this should lose their job.
/agree
It really detracts from the legitimacy of the games and the players. If balance talk is discouraged in LR's / other threads, it really shouldn't be brought up on a cast for 15K people, because of course people are going to start responding.
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I swear that was a 5-gate, not a 4-gate >.<
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On June 03 2011 11:51 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:48 tomatriedes wrote:
Calling units imba and asking for them to be nerfed is terrible, terrible casting. Really. Any caster who does this should lose their job. well i was annoyed at his involvement over nightend not being invited and he is not endearing himself anymore here.
You guys know how to hold a grudge
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On June 03 2011 11:48 tomatriedes wrote:
Calling units imba and asking for them to be nerfed is terrible, terrible casting. Really. Any caster who does this should lose their job.
Xeris has always been a douchebag, he is known for whining about balance and calling people names.
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Stop complaining about races and the casters and let us enjoy the upcoming series. July hwaiting!!!! eat emmmm!!
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On June 03 2011 11:50 Thrax wrote:
Battle of the big guys now!
lmao I almost spit on my keyboard.
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On June 03 2011 11:50 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:48 tomatriedes wrote:
Calling units imba and asking for them to be nerfed is terrible, terrible casting. Really. Any caster who does this should lose their job. Dude I dont like the casting overall, but he was clearly joking.
It didn't sound like joking. He said archons are imbalanced and that they should have a longer build time and shouldn't be able to move while building. Where's the humor there?
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inc suicide bomber to nasl office
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On June 03 2011 11:51 SuperStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:48 tomatriedes wrote:
Calling units imba and asking for them to be nerfed is terrible, terrible casting. Really. Any caster who does this should lose their job. Xeris has always been a douchebag, he is known for whining about balance and calling people names.
Lol, 300 poster insulting an established member of the community. Chill out dude
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This casting duo is my worst nightmare.
Let's go July!!!
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is it wrong i found that hilarious?
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I love both but since July has won his group I hope Geoff can 2-0 him and help himself get into the Playoff.
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ppl hate Cruncher are IdrA and Zerg's fan boys lol. Protoss can only 1-2 bases all-in or turtle up until max out. There's no other choice, you can't just move out with 2 colossus and expect to beat MMM.
That's all.
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who is the commentator beside Gretorp?
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YES!!! a sumo wrestling match on Tal'Darim
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lol
Incontrol: It's an honor sir, gl <3
July: ok
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Forge first...interesting?
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Clearly QXC's time in spain has not helped his Professional gaming career. I do not believe I have seen him win a game vs anyone notable in weeks. I hope he can find his game, he's fun to watch when in form.
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I'd shit my pants fast expanding against July
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On June 03 2011 11:51 Thrax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:51 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 11:48 tomatriedes wrote:
Calling units imba and asking for them to be nerfed is terrible, terrible casting. Really. Any caster who does this should lose their job. well i was annoyed at his involvement over nightend not being invited and he is not endearing himself anymore here. You guys know how to hold a grudge
guilty but if he is going to carry on like this and it seems i am not alone in not liking him then he should go back to his team and save us from the commentary.
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On June 03 2011 11:53 veryveryhard wrote:
who is the commentator beside Gretorp?
Xeris
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On June 03 2011 11:50 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:43 Dommk wrote:People hate Cruncher because his wins involve his opponents making mistakes and not responding appropriately to his play while all his losses make him look totally outclassed. He never seems to 'outclass' his opponent; says nothing bad about the guy, just seems to be the result of his style.
As an example look at that game: QXC with a strange build and poor macro, failing to scan DT's in fights, etc. If QXC's floating minerals had been army that game it could have been very different, so judging how good Cruncher is from it is pretty difficult (though he played a solid game that punished mistakes harshly). This is the exact same style that Kiwikaki has done in the past, when you are ahead on upgrades with Templar, DT's in your army is NOT a liability as your Zealots are constantly buffering and it forces scans from Terrans every fight. When they do get scanned you morph into Archons. What Cruncher did this game didn't rely on any ounce of luck, he completely outplayed QXC. He was on 9 Bases dwarfing QXC's economy, better upgrades, better unit compositions. It is like the Ultralisk, when you are far ahead you just use DT's to finish off the game faster I'm not saying it was bad play at all; it's play designed to punish mistakes and comes out pretty even if a player responds appropriately (ie. it should be done); things like making 6 dt's and a-clicking a planetary, while smart, don't make you look good from a spectators point of view, however.
You make DT's when you are ahead, they do absurd damage (one of the most supply efficient DPS units in the game, if not the most efficient) and when you have the economy and to just throw units away there really isn't a reason to not do it, unless you feel super intimidated by your opponent. Obviously if he was in a situation where it was risky it would be a dumb idea to do it, but when you are sitting on 9 bases--18gysers, why the fuck not?
Watch Kiwikaki vs Select at least MLG, Kiwi was warping in like 4-5DT's at the stat and end of every fight, there is no "risk", stop trying to scrape together evidence for your already made conclusion
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well there's trade mark July for ya
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classic july incoming. baneling bust
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HE HOLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INCONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On June 03 2011 11:53 Moonwrath wrote:
lol
Incontrol: It's an honor sir, gl <3
July: ok
Lol July really said that?
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NICE probe micro. Beauty.
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Holy SHIT, amazing by Geoff, insane, bust does NOTHING
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On June 03 2011 11:53 mholden02 wrote:
Clearly QXC's time in spain has not helped his Professional gaming career. I do not believe I have seen him win a game vs anyone notable in weeks. I hope he can find his game, he's fun to watch when in form.
Partially true, although he did just win the SK Champion's trophy very recently. (over Select in the final)
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Beautiful Defense by Incontrol.
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That was a boss probe block. Fantastic reaction from Incontrol
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Lol and now Incontrol even beats July.
Why cant July not simply play standard against an inferior opponent?
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Really nice probe juking to mess up the banelings.... come on InControl!!! you got this
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On June 03 2011 11:52 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:51 SuperStyle wrote:On June 03 2011 11:48 tomatriedes wrote:
Calling units imba and asking for them to be nerfed is terrible, terrible casting. Really. Any caster who does this should lose their job. Xeris has always been a douchebag, he is known for whining about balance and calling people names. Lol, 300 poster insulting an established member of the community. Chill out dude
Im not insulting, because telling the truth isnt insulting, its stating the obvious. Just go look at GCPL and EG Masters Cup series and see for yourself.
He literally called Empire team terrible and trash talked every single member of theirs calling them terrible.
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July all in #1 fails. All in #2 incoming
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Great scout by Inc saving himself from the baneling bust.
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I'd shit my pants fast expanding against July
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Must be weird; getting all inned by July.
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Why would you cheese incontrol? Makes no sense to me. Maybe he's just tired or something.
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incontrol must be cheese proof. good scouting by that 2nd probe
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OMG. Perfect nydus placement?!
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wow, great placement of nydus
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Julyzerg with the GODLY nydus placement
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EAT EMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM july!. what a sick building placement.
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Aaaand July his taking his natural
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wooooow
incontrol must be punching some desks right now
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Oh fuck me I love July, he's so fun.
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Just one game without an all in from July.
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Maphack amazing nydus placement omg mind blown
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noooooo!
Incontrol!!! So close
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July is a fucking baller.
This is a crazy game.
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On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July.
maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol...
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Standard build; retake your main at 11:00
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It's not even close to over! In fact, I'd dare to say Inc's still ahead!
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Geoff handled that like a boss
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that was pretty good defense for such a hectic situation
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On June 03 2011 11:59 nvs. wrote:
July is a fucking baller.
This is a crazy game.
Really? I find this quite boring to watch, not good games at all. If anyone but July would pull these shitty games he would be QQ'd at by the majority
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On June 03 2011 11:59 The KY wrote:
Standard build; retake your main at 11:00
haha :D
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I don't think Incontrol is behind, once he gets his main he'll mass units out of this 6 gates and attack
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On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol...
He was prepared for everything, defended the first bust prefecty, began his pylons around his bases, and the shit still gets in. It's like come on.
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Love Gretorp's stoned-ness sometimes.
Xeris: "by building all his gateways in his nat, inControl really set himself up to be in a good position"
Gretorp: "Yeahhhh.... sooorrrt of...."
tell it like it is brother
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On June 03 2011 12:00 Vaeila wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:59 nvs. wrote:
July is a fucking baller.
This is a crazy game. Really? I find this quite boring to watch, not good games at all. If anyone but July would pull these shitty games he would be QQ'd at by the majority
I dunno, Catz made his career of this shit. ^^
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On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol...
It was still all in? I'm not criticising, fuck it why not all in, but expanding wasn't part of his plan. Inc's great hold created this situation.
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On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol...
What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in.
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On June 03 2011 12:00 Vaeila wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:59 nvs. wrote:
July is a fucking baller.
This is a crazy game. Really? I find this quite boring to watch, not good games at all. If anyone but July would pull these shitty games he would be QQ'd at by the majority
Uh...what?
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Does incontrol have a cybernetics core?
EDIT: nevermind i saw him warp in some stalkers
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On June 03 2011 12:00 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... He was prepared for everything, defended the first bust prefecty, began his pylons around his bases, and the shit still gets in. It's like come on.
thats what makes it so exciting to watch? anywhere else and the game would be over but he hit the exact right spot.
edit: and i know it was a all in...but now its going to be a long game so should be a great game. Intense start with a macro game behind it
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July macroing like a boss
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burrowed banelings against protoss? wtf?--
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On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in.
Yes a once golden mouse winner is over rated :/
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InControl's passivity will cost him the game.
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On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in.
I loled.
Highly overrated.
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On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in.
Come on.... this has to be a troll...
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7 AM, waking up in the morning.
...Friday?
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On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in.
o.O you think that was luck?
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On June 03 2011 12:01 cekkmt wrote:
Does incontrol have a cybernetics core?
Yes he rebuilt one
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Stop talking about cereal guys...you're not Tastosis.
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On June 03 2011 12:02 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. Yes a once golden mouse winner is over rated :/
yea and leading your group must mean you suck
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Stop quoting Rebecca Black!
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Some one is not catching on to the FRIDAY joke...
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On June 03 2011 12:00 Vaeila wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:59 nvs. wrote:
July is a fucking baller.
This is a crazy game. Really? I find this quite boring to watch, not good games at all. If anyone but July would pull these shitty games he would be QQ'd at by the majority
yeah agree, what if Incontrol found out about the nydus ? It meant July failed so hard.
Whenever Protoss does something like 4 gates, Zerg qq about it. When July banelings bust, ppl praise him like god. The most overrated player in SC2 IMO
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On June 03 2011 12:00 Vaeila wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:59 nvs. wrote:
July is a fucking baller.
This is a crazy game. Really? I find this quite boring to watch, not good games at all. If anyone but July would pull these shitty games he would be QQ'd at by the majority
uhm no? catz tried the same thing he just failed at it.. its also uncommon in general as zerg play so.. i guess you are the minority considering the comments
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Only with zerg can you super mega DOUBLE All-in and still be able to recover fully, if not be ahead.
Why? because you can spam your dddddddddddddddd button alll day after the all in
User was temp banned for this post.
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Its technically Friday in Korea isn't it?
I hate you Gretorp.
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EE HAN TIMING with that tunneling claws
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JulyZerg's main edge in a lot of these games is that he knows how to transition out of situations. Bust failed? No problem, nydus. Scout pylon? No problem, go for the blind side. His decision making is better than that of almost all foreigner Zergs I've seen.
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On June 03 2011 12:02 hitman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:00 Vaeila wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 nvs. wrote:
July is a fucking baller.
This is a crazy game. Really? I find this quite boring to watch, not good games at all. If anyone but July would pull these shitty games he would be QQ'd at by the majority yeah agree, what if Incontrol found out about the nydus ? It meant July failed so hard. Whenever Protoss does something like 4 gates, Zerg qq about it. When July banelings bust, ppl praise him like god. The most overrated player in SC2 IMO
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July is leading the entire NASL.
Grubby says wuddup tho.
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Geoff is responding really well. Nice to see!
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There are no Wheaties in Korea ㅜㅜ Sad face
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On June 03 2011 12:02 hitman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:00 Vaeila wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 nvs. wrote:
July is a fucking baller.
This is a crazy game. Really? I find this quite boring to watch, not good games at all. If anyone but July would pull these shitty games he would be QQ'd at by the majority yeah agree, what if Incontrol found out about the nydus ? It meant July failed so hard. Whenever Protoss does something like 4 gates, Zerg qq about it. When July banelings bust, ppl praise him like god. The most overrated player in SC2 IMO
Just stop. Haven't you had 2 accounts banned for that kind of shit before?
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On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. o.O you think that was luck?
It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot.
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On June 03 2011 12:02 hitman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:00 Vaeila wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 nvs. wrote:
July is a fucking baller.
This is a crazy game. Really? I find this quite boring to watch, not good games at all. If anyone but July would pull these shitty games he would be QQ'd at by the majority yeah agree, what if Incontrol found out about the nydus ? It meant July failed so hard. Whenever Protoss does something like 4 gates, Zerg qq about it. When July banelings bust, ppl praise him like god. The most overrated player in SC2 IMO
Because every protoss 4gates in professional matches but you rarely see zergs going from baneling busts into nydus worms. July does aggressive builds other zergs wouldn't do at all because they play the economical game.
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nice upgrades from inc. already about to be +3 attack
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Incontrol playing too passive.... july's macro is going to be overwhelming for inc, i think..
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I love July's style. I don't give a shit if they're all-ins. Shit's entertaining and different than watching Zergs mash SDDDDDDDDD
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Is July going a second baneling nest ala what's his name in the GSL last night?
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On June 03 2011 12:02 Zyzxx wrote:
Only with zerg can you super mega DOUBLE All-in and still be able to recover fully, if not be ahead.
Why? because you can spam your dddddddddddddddd button alll day after the all in
But remember, Zerg is underpowered if you punish them!!...
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WATCH OUT FOR DA MUTAS. INC I'M CONTACTING YOU BACK IN TIME.
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On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in.
forge fast expand with no cannons until after a gateway is greedy...
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july making almost 30 banelings!!!!
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On June 03 2011 12:04 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:02 hitman123 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:00 Vaeila wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 nvs. wrote:
July is a fucking baller.
This is a crazy game. Really? I find this quite boring to watch, not good games at all. If anyone but July would pull these shitty games he would be QQ'd at by the majority yeah agree, what if Incontrol found out about the nydus ? It meant July failed so hard. Whenever Protoss does something like 4 gates, Zerg qq about it. When July banelings bust, ppl praise him like god. The most overrated player in SC2 IMO ............................................. July is leading the entire NASL. Grubby says wuddup tho.
I agree that July is amazing but Select and Sen are tied for the lead in NASL (with July in 3rd)
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Nice forcefielding of those banes.
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iNc is just impressing me at every turn this game. Hell yes.
+ Lost his colo, but nice stalker split.
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Incredible forcefields!!!!
Edit: followed by not-so-incredible forcefields
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Inc, youre playing so wellllllllll!
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incontrol just owning july
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Amazing forcefield cocoon by incontrol
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On June 03 2011 12:02 Zyzxx wrote:
Only with zerg can you super mega DOUBLE All-in and still be able to recover fully, if not be ahead.
Why? because you can spam your dddddddddddddddd button alll day after the all in
Don't talk shite...with any race, if you do a shitload of damage with an all in but don't kill him then you can transition out of it.
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That engagement was phenomenal by Incontrol... July needed baneling speed :/
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On June 03 2011 12:04 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. o.O you think that was luck? It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot.
so you think its "luck" that someome uses a blind spot on a map. Really? This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. You do sneaky shit in places that you know are vulnerable.
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Wow Incontrol, playing really good!
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He stomped his own ffs!!!!! D:
This game is turning out to be pretty epic cus of their small mistakes.
inc ahead in supply!! :D
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LOL! The colossi knocked the FF's out of the way for the banelings lmao that was hilariously awesome ^^
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Very frustrating game to watch :/
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Damn, imagine if those banelings at the middle of the map connected as well, InControl would have lost this game ><
FF's are such a live or die thing :X
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Good transition into templar, wish he'd done it sooner when he scouted the mutas though.
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On June 03 2011 12:08 cyprin wrote:
Very frustrating game to watch :/
What are you talking about, this is amazing fun.
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Its like twice July has attacked before important upgrades have finished, tunneling claws and baneling speed.
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You can hear in caster's tone they are rooting for Incontrol. I'm rooting for him too!
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Inc seems so far ahead but... It's July... I really wouldn't wanna call this
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Ewww bad templar control :<
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On June 03 2011 12:09 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Ewww bad templar control :<
He's going to win anyways I think.
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lol vs colossi/templar and gretorps like if they have infestors thats all that can fight it, wonder if they know feedback :D. But looks like july's going to lose
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Holy smoke Incontrol!!
Gogogo, he's got this!!
GG FROM JULY
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On June 03 2011 12:07 blade55555 wrote:
LOL! The colossi knocked the FF's out of the way for the banelings lmao that was hilariously awesome ^^
Ya it took me a second to figure out why all of those well placed forcefields just disappeared, until i saw the colossus and it turns out that they were not well placed.
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pwned! game 1 to incontrol
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YESSSSSSSS INCONTROL!!!!!!!
One more baby!
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lose templars, let banes drop on army
geeeeoff >:|
You better not do that when not so far ahead
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My liquibet is hurting so bad today but I suppose it's for the better. :D
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INCONTROL!!! MUCH RESPECT!!
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July suicided his army and that was when he lost it. Terribly decision from him.
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YES INCONTROL FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL PLAYED SIR
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Holy bejoly Batman, Incontrol just outplayed July :o
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Great game! GG Incontrol!!
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On June 03 2011 12:10 MaxField wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:07 blade55555 wrote:
LOL! The colossi knocked the FF's out of the way for the banelings lmao that was hilariously awesome ^^ Ya it took me a second to figure out why all of those well placed forcefields just disappeared, until i saw the colossus and it turns out that they were not well placed.
They weren't well placed at all in the first place.
Anyway hopefully July will put InControl in his place.
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On June 03 2011 12:09 blade55555 wrote:lol vs colossi/templar and gretorps like if they have infestors thats all that can fight it, wonder if they know feedback :D. But looks like july's going to lose
just because they have feedback doesnt mean infestors or usless?
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I hope Inc can carry this momentum to MLG, hes playing some amazing games
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Geoff must have been so made up after that game
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Well played iNcontroL sir!
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On June 03 2011 12:05 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. forge fast expand with no cannons until after a gateway is greedy...
Apparently not since he completely stompe the initial bust? How is that greedy? Lmao do you people who say stuff like this even watch the games?
Thank god Incontrol won.
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On June 03 2011 12:07 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:04 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. o.O you think that was luck? It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot. so you think its "luck" that someome uses a blind spot on a map. Really? This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. You do sneaky shit in places that you know are vulnerable.
Are you crazy in the face? It was obviously lucky. That's not anything to disparage July but it is objectively lucky. I'm sorry if facts offend you. Like I already said, it was July's only option. If Inc moves a probe 1 hex to left his only option disappears. People win every game with a bit of luck.
This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games.
Yeah - luck is a fundamental part of all computer games.
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I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway!
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GG from July, well played by Inc!
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Wow, nice incontrol! Good game from both players.
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GG from July
Completely expected, someone who is 1-0 against JAEDONG can destroy any Zerg easy
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lol if inc wins this series my liquibet stats are basically dead now
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IIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNCONTROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL
its 5:11 am here in germany BUT I DONT CARE; I WANT SO SEE CRUSHED FACES
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Forcefields saved the day, along with upgrades
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Oh man, if Incontrol can beat July....day made.
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On June 03 2011 12:10 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:09 blade55555 wrote:lol vs colossi/templar and gretorps like if they have infestors thats all that can fight it, wonder if they know feedback :D. But looks like july's going to lose just because they have feedback doesnt mean infestors or usless?
Yeah, it's not like infestors can burrow or anything.
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Wow. If incontrol takes this series he'll be tied 2nd in the group with White-ra, Sjow, and Darkforce O_o. July would be 1 game up still
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OMG OMG July vs InControl game 1 was the best game of SC2 I've seen (ok, second best after the nestea vs sc series on gsl semifinals). Both of them played awesome.
Is there any sc2 recommended vod thread? This one is a must watch! :D
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Haha incontrol had some awesome forcefields against those banes, just to follow it up by several forcefields on his own colossus.
The "Incontrol Forcefields" are born ladies and gentlemen!
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NJ INCONTROL!!!!!!
On another note, i'm totally gonna steal this cannoning in the middle of the map for more control!!
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I don't mean to belittle Incontrol's playstyle but this was a standard 3 base deathball. Nothing impressive there.
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Everyone above incontrol has lost this week except for July, who might lose. Incontrol has a pretty good chance of going to the finals and playing if he wins.
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On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway!
You did a great job once you got warmed up! :D
seemed nervous at first hehe
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Inc played well there, exciting match :D Looking forward to number 2
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And inc said he was struggling with zerg (granted, there was the double all ins), but still.dam
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On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway!
I like it except when you're complaining about archons -_-.
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On June 03 2011 12:05 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. forge fast expand with no cannons until after a gateway is greedy...
No. No it's not.Unless it Steppes. I'll give you that.
Against 14/14 you can get it after gateway, and against 15 hatch you can get it after your second pylon.
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Wow Game 1 Incontrol/July was truly epic.
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On June 03 2011 12:11 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:07 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:04 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. o.O you think that was luck? It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot. so you think its "luck" that someome uses a blind spot on a map. Really? This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. You do sneaky shit in places that you know are vulnerable. Are you crazy in the face? It was obviously lucky. That's not anything to disparage July but it is objectively lucky. I'm sorry if facts offend you. Like I already said, it was July's only option. If Inc moves a probe 1 hex to left his only option disappears. People win every game with a bit of luck. Show nested quote +This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. Yeah - luck is a fundamental part of all computer games.
Uh, it was lucky in the sense that InControl had nothing there to spot it, but July took the opportunity as soon as he saw it, how many Protoss actually scout the middle of their base after they see an Overseer enter?
Though it could be stopped, speaking as a Protoss player myself, if InControl spotted that then I think he would be the lucky one
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On June 03 2011 12:11 AlBundy wrote:
I don't mean to belittle Incontrol's playstyle but this was a standard 3 base deathball. Nothing impressive there.
pretty much.
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On June 03 2011 12:10 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:09 blade55555 wrote:lol vs colossi/templar and gretorps like if they have infestors thats all that can fight it, wonder if they know feedback :D. But looks like july's going to lose just because they have feedback doesnt mean infestors or usless?
They're pretty useless against HT, although they would certainly have helped... I think Hive tech would have been best though
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On June 03 2011 12:10 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:05 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. forge fast expand with no cannons until after a gateway is greedy... Apparently not since he completely stompe the initial bust? How is that greedy? Lmao do you people who say stuff like this even watch the games? Thank god Incontrol won.
If he didnt get that probe in he wouldnt have held? since he wouldnt have had the 2 standard cannons up that are suppose to go down before the gateway. Lmao do you not even know standard build orders?
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Well that map was too large for July. I think he can only win against competent protoss in early/mid game.
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On June 03 2011 12:11 AlBundy wrote:
I don't mean to belittle Incontrol's playstyle but this was a standard 3 base deathball. Nothing impressive there.
Did you miss his micro when defending every single one of July's attacks?
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On June 03 2011 12:10 Shellshock1122 wrote:
pwned! game 1 to incontrol
idk about pwned but it was a good game :D
also isnt over till its over go july i believe in you!
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yes forge fast expand is greedy but it was cross positions, so it was pretty safe.
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incontrol showed why muscle >fat
Lol
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Wow gretorp has such bad speaking micro.
XD
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Gretorp's english is so poor. Was he really born in the US?
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On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway!
Oh I enjoyed it, keep it up mate
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On June 03 2011 12:13 garlicface wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:11 AlBundy wrote:
I don't mean to belittle Incontrol's playstyle but this was a standard 3 base deathball. Nothing impressive there. Did you miss his micro when defending every single one of July's attacks?
you can hardly call FF's "micro"
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Very nice micro by iNcontrol in that big engagement. July lost about 70 supply while iNc barely lost anything.
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On June 03 2011 12:11 AlBundy wrote:
I don't mean to belittle Incontrol's playstyle but this was a standard 3 base deathball. Nothing impressive there.
Was good crisis management when the nydus went up though. Pretty clutch FF's that all had to be perfect.
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On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway!
Nah you where ok man. You did look lost at some point, but its good for a first time (it was you first time right?). You'll keep improving for sure.
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That was an incredibly entertaining game to watch. Huge props to iNcontroL and July for making that so much fun.
Go iNcontroL!!
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On June 03 2011 12:14 Hollis wrote:
Wow gretorp has such bad speaking micro.
XD
iNcontrol spawning as the red terran
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On June 03 2011 12:13 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:10 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:05 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. forge fast expand with no cannons until after a gateway is greedy... Apparently not since he completely stompe the initial bust? How is that greedy? Lmao do you people who say stuff like this even watch the games? Thank god Incontrol won. If he didnt get that probe in he wouldnt have held? since he wouldnt have had the 2 standard cannons up that are suppose to go down before the gateway. Lmao do you not even know standard build orders?
Double probe scout is becoming standard at the rate of ZvP all ins Increasing.
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On June 03 2011 12:11 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:07 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:04 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. o.O you think that was luck? It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot. so you think its "luck" that someome uses a blind spot on a map. Really? This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. You do sneaky shit in places that you know are vulnerable. Are you crazy in the face? It was obviously lucky. That's not anything to disparage July but it is objectively lucky. I'm sorry if facts offend you. Like I already said, it was July's only option. If Inc moves a probe 1 hex to left his only option disappears. People win every game with a bit of luck. Show nested quote +This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. Yeah - luck is a fundamental part of all computer games.
So apparently only the lucky win then since its fundamental according to you. Wake up no it isnt.
You also need to understand the definition of the word FACT.
I will break it down for you July goes nydus...he doesnt flip a dice and radomnly builds it anywhere he builds it in a place that has had success before because of where he placed it. Now granted this is not guaranteed nothing is ever incontroll could have done something non standard and seen it but he didnt as i suspect many other opponents before him also didnt. Understand now? Or i give up on you.
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air weapons before warp gate from incontrol
and it was a mistake /facepalm
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Air weapons for Inc.
Oh dear, mistake and cancels it back to warp gate research.
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AWWW it's Huk all over again
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On June 03 2011 12:14 noezke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:13 garlicface wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 AlBundy wrote:
I don't mean to belittle Incontrol's playstyle but this was a standard 3 base deathball. Nothing impressive there. Did you miss his micro when defending every single one of July's attacks? you can hardly call FF's "micro"
and you call banelings bust "micro" give Inc some credit man.
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aww i wanted sky protoss play ;(
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Inc. Missclick ftl.
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On June 03 2011 12:16 Mailing wrote:
Geoff done Huk'd
At least he noticed.
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ohoh misclick
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Fuck Inc, going +1 air instead of Warp Gate.
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Ohhhh nooo Incontrol....canceled the air weapons
Now the warpgates will be significantly delayed :<
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On June 03 2011 12:16 Mailing wrote:
Geoff done Huk'd
hahahahaha
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On June 03 2011 12:13 Falcor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:10 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:05 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. forge fast expand with no cannons until after a gateway is greedy... Apparently not since he completely stompe the initial bust? How is that greedy? Lmao do you people who say stuff like this even watch the games? Thank god Incontrol won. If he didnt get that probe in he wouldnt have held? since he wouldnt have had the 2 standard cannons up that are suppose to go down before the gateway. Lmao do you not even know standard build orders?
Except he made the cannons after gateway regardless and still held it. You tried to claim cannons after gateway is greedy. I'm also pretty sure there were also only two cannons when the baneling bust happened with a third warping in so that's not even a hard bust to stop, and two cannons is fairly standard.
Keep floundering.
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Oh man, that was bad... I thought he was gonna go fast phoenix
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On June 03 2011 12:14 noezke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:13 garlicface wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 AlBundy wrote:
I don't mean to belittle Incontrol's playstyle but this was a standard 3 base deathball. Nothing impressive there. Did you miss his micro when defending every single one of July's attacks? you can hardly call FF's "micro"
I agree, I totally believe FF's are macro.
Admit it, FF isn't the most complex of abilities, but the placements were clever and efficient. Inc played well.
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Nerves getting to Incontrol a bit there.
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Geoff doing the classic Air Weapons lv1 cancel into Warp Gate research build, that we saw used to great effect by Huk vs Idra.
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thought incontrol was a genius for a second
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On June 03 2011 12:14 tobi9999 wrote:
incontrol showed why muscle >fat
Lol
Incontrol is likely several weight classes above July.
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delayed even more 4gate. maybe july will get trolled by the timing, but it's not looking good so far :/
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Sweet, the HuK build (almost)!
+1 air weapons no stargate. Viable?
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How far behind does that slip-up put Incontrol?
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On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway!
I'd say just look into the camera and then back to Gretorp. You did pretty well, and your awkwardness is less apparent next to Gretorp, who is funny because of how awkward he is.
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On June 03 2011 12:11 AlBundy wrote:
I don't mean to belittle Incontrol's playstyle but this was a standard 3 base deathball. Nothing impressive there.
Against Baneling play, your only viable option IS to turtle on 3base. You saw how even after losing all his banelings in middle to FF's, July still had enough money to make enough Banelings to CRUSH the Protoss army with ease.
Turtling more than usual is how you deal with Banelings in PvZ, you have to be spot on with Banedrops, you can't extend yourself and lose your crucial sentries and most importantly you NEED Templar and it is by no means "easy" or "unimpressive" to defend baneling play from a good player. You are just seeing what you want to see. And besides, he was on 5bases
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On June 03 2011 12:16 Meself wrote:Incontrol is likely several weight classes above July.
Incontrol could probably bench 2-3 Julys
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Minigun did this build against IdrA in EG masters cup on Xel'naga
+ Show Spoiler +
Let's see how it goes here.
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On June 03 2011 12:16 deesee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:14 noezke wrote:On June 03 2011 12:13 garlicface wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 AlBundy wrote:
I don't mean to belittle Incontrol's playstyle but this was a standard 3 base deathball. Nothing impressive there. Did you miss his micro when defending every single one of July's attacks? you can hardly call FF's "micro" I agree, I totally believe FF's are macro. Admit it, FF isn't the most complex of abilities, but the placements were clever and efficient. Inc played well.
Everything you do with units (besides workers) after you create them is micro/army control IMO.
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July hasn't taken his 3rd yet...
MUST BE AN ALL-IN!
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On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway!
You were fine but please don't call units imba and ask for them to be nerfed next time. It's unprofessional and annoying to listen to.
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On June 03 2011 12:18 Meself wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:16 deesee wrote:On June 03 2011 12:14 noezke wrote:On June 03 2011 12:13 garlicface wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 AlBundy wrote:
I don't mean to belittle Incontrol's playstyle but this was a standard 3 base deathball. Nothing impressive there. Did you miss his micro when defending every single one of July's attacks? you can hardly call FF's "micro" I agree, I totally believe FF's are macro. Admit it, FF isn't the most complex of abilities, but the placements were clever and efficient. Inc played well. Everything you do with units (besides workers) after you create them is micro/army control IMO.
Sarcasm, buddy.
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On June 03 2011 12:11 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway! You did a great job once you got warmed up! :D seemed nervous at first hehe
Xeris, you looked like a deer staring into the head lights at the start. ;o
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On June 03 2011 12:18 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Is he gonna cancel?
No, the 4 gates was to hold the roach/ling all in if it came I feel like, it's one of the ways that's being done, just spend the 150 incase you need it.
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Why don't protoss get a fast +1 air when going pheonix? Pheonixes do 2 fast attack volleys at 5 damage a piece, and overlords have 1 armor.
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hydras are so good =/ silly idra
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Incontrol you're suppose to lose! Please for the love of god do it for my liquibet.
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iNcontrol not moving out at all has probably already lost him this game, July got to get full 2base saturation by the time iNc's nat was up =/ So far behind now
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Seems like inc is playing scared...
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july needs to kill him now! eat emmmmm!!!
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It's the EYE OF THE TIGER!
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Gretorp is an idiot, not TT1.
TT1 rocks!
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lol Gretorp straight out saying TT1 is ridiculously stupid then fumbles all over himself saying how much he loves him.
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That was almost like the july vs mc in GSTL but it didnt go through
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Incontrol's army comp just can't take this at the moment.
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"Nice forcefields" as he fails to catch a single unit. Sick casting.
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Aww, July probably took this one. Incontrol is miles behind in this game
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haha awesome call. ^^
"this one colossus is the perfect counter to this entire unit composition"
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Incontrol expanding despite not having map control :s This is going to get messy.
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Holy shit incontrol just threw away 3 sentries that were like full energy
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Its over gg
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Game over. Inc got raped that time.
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On June 03 2011 12:21 Xxavi wrote:
Gretorp is an idiot, not TT1.
TT1 rocks!
no he doesnt =.=
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And people wonder why Protoss turtle Try stepping on creep against that
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Damn so close to killing that colossus with the hydras.
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July "Eye of the Tiger" mode
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Ugh.... Incontrols colossus was shooting one roach non-stop.
You have to micro them....
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GG WP, July.
Incontrol just made way too many little mistakes etc. Looked like nerves D:
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I think TT1 might be on to something with that Eye of the Tiger thing...
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Incontrol got rolled this time unfortunately.
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Eye of the Tiger Mode Engaged.
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July not messing around now
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On June 03 2011 12:12 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway! I like it except when you're complaining about archons -_-.
First: I'm a protoss player I also strongly believe archons are too strong. I really think increasing build time / making them unable to move/be pushed while morphing would help a little bit. I.E. in those games, the archons morphed faster than qxc could kill them T_T
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Tiger in the eye....
I am think he means eye of the tiger, haha Good game July, great play!
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GG!!!!! Third game coming up! July doesn't need the eye of the tiger. He has eye of the panda!
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My eyes are popping, and ears are bleeding
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I think incontrol was intending to 4 gate before he made the air weapons blunder. Seemed to throw him completely off his game and he was playing from behind from then on.
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On June 03 2011 12:22 Clog wrote:
Holy shit incontrol just threw away 3 sentries that were like full energy
Actually it was 5 with full energy. :D
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On June 03 2011 12:19 DeltruS wrote:
Why don't protoss get a fast +1 air when going pheonix? Pheonixes do 2 fast attack volleys at 5 damage a piece, and overlords have 1 armor.
I have no idea. It's incredibly strong - especially against queens.
If you're going to open 1 Stargate air and get more than 4 air units, you should absolutely get +1 Air Weapons.
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Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls.
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July got serious here folks.
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Nice job today Duran. Lookin' quite sharp as well
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Shouldn't have played so passive... at least use pressure behind the 4gate expand otherwise it defeats the purpose of it.
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Incontrol didn't have enough colossi to engage that. He needed to sac the third but tbh with July's gold going up he was way behind. His best hope was to turtle on three bases with colossi and force fields, kind of like what XiaoT did against IdrA, but that upgrade mess up early game slowed him down.
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On June 03 2011 12:21 Seditary wrote:
lol Gretorp straight out saying TT1 is ridiculously stupid then fumbles all over himself saying how much he loves him.
Yeah this was great, LOL.
We love you Grederp! Neva change!
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On June 03 2011 12:22 IPA wrote:
"Nice forcefields" as he fails to catch a single unit. Sick casting.
Its like, everytime forcefields are thrown down they call "nice forcefields", no matter how good or bad they actually were.
Its as if they dont have any other way of announcing that forcefields were thrown down, therefore they stick with "nice forcefields".
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On June 03 2011 12:24 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:19 DeltruS wrote:
Why don't protoss get a fast +1 air when going pheonix? Pheonixes do 2 fast attack volleys at 5 damage a piece, and overlords have 1 armor. I have no idea. It's incredibly strong - especially against queens. If you're going to open 1 Stargate air and get more than 4 air units, you should absolutely get +1 Air Weapons.
Corrupter Ling Bane beats it pretty handily :S You can't handle a baneling/Ling army without a good ground army, on maps like Meta it would be so difficult to take your third against a Tsunami of Ling/Banes going mass Phoenix
Its like, everytime forcefields are thrown down they call "nice forcefields", no matter how good or bad they actually were.
Its as if they dont have any other way of announcing that forcefields were thrown down, therefore they stick with "nice forcefields".
It is the same with EMP's and Banelings...someone else said it another Live report thread, they jut do it for effect. Really great forcefields tend to get a much more excited reaction
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On June 03 2011 12:24 jazzyjazz wrote:
GG!!!!! Third game coming up! July doesn't need the eye of the tiger. He has eye of the panda!
he eats pandas for breakfast
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On June 03 2011 12:24 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:12 Whitewing wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway! I like it except when you're complaining about archons -_-. First: I'm a protoss player I also strongly believe archons are too strong. I really think increasing build time / making them unable to move/be pushed while morphing would help a little bit. I.E. in those games, the archons morphed faster than qxc could kill them T_T
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, I just feel that a game cast is not the right forum for balance discussion, or for suggesting nerfs to units. It seemed to cheapen the cast a bit and made it less interesting.
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On June 03 2011 12:24 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:12 Whitewing wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway! I like it except when you're complaining about archons -_-. First: I'm a protoss player I also strongly believe archons are too strong. I really think increasing build time / making them unable to move/be pushed while morphing would help a little bit. I.E. in those games, the archons morphed faster than qxc could kill them T_T
Grand master level protoss?
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lol Gretorp 1 to 10? ...EYE OF THE TIGER
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When did TT1 say eye of the tiger?
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On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls.
Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game.
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On June 03 2011 12:25 Hollis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:21 Seditary wrote:
lol Gretorp straight out saying TT1 is ridiculously stupid then fumbles all over himself saying how much he loves him. Yeah this was great, LOL. We love you Grederp! Neva change!
He's still going on about it lol.
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Holy sheit this casting is getting bad
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On June 03 2011 12:26 gh0un wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:22 IPA wrote:
"Nice forcefields" as he fails to catch a single unit. Sick casting. Its like, everytime forcefields are thrown down they call "nice forcefields", no matter how good or bad they actually were. Its as if they dont have any other way of announcing that forcefields were thrown down, therefore they stick with "nice forcefields".
Hahah yeah.
sick forcefields! HUGE scan! Amazing storms! nice emp!
nothing hits.
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Gretorp's casting is honestly an affront to this game. I don't care about all the other failings of the NASL. I can forgive the stream going down and all the production problems. I CANNOT forgive their electing to have him represent them though.
User was temp banned for this post.
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The odds of controlled substances being abused before this cast seem to be growing the longer this cast goes on.
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On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls.
so sais his rank in nasl huh? hes doing SO bad rite?
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On June 03 2011 12:26 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:24 Severedevil wrote:On June 03 2011 12:19 DeltruS wrote:
Why don't protoss get a fast +1 air when going pheonix? Pheonixes do 2 fast attack volleys at 5 damage a piece, and overlords have 1 armor. I have no idea. It's incredibly strong - especially against queens. If you're going to open 1 Stargate air and get more than 4 air units, you should absolutely get +1 Air Weapons. Corrupter Ling Bane beats it pretty handily :S You can't handle a baneling/Ling army without a good ground army, on maps like Meta it would be so difficult to take your third against a Tsunami of Ling/Banes going mass Phoenix
He said the standard 4 phoenix/VR build... into gateways and more phoenix (viable)
Do you complain about EVERY protoss build and unit?
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Someone remind me how the "eye of the tiger" came about? I don't recall :/
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On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game.
How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG.
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Whitewing raises a good point. It does cheapen the cast no matter what race you play.
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OK, Gretorp really high on something: "I don't know where time is."
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On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG.
Who do you have in front of him? 1. Nestea 2. ____ 3. ___ ...
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On June 03 2011 12:15 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:11 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:07 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:04 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. o.O you think that was luck? It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot. so you think its "luck" that someome uses a blind spot on a map. Really? This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. You do sneaky shit in places that you know are vulnerable. Are you crazy in the face? It was obviously lucky. That's not anything to disparage July but it is objectively lucky. I'm sorry if facts offend you. Like I already said, it was July's only option. If Inc moves a probe 1 hex to left his only option disappears. People win every game with a bit of luck. This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. Yeah - luck is a fundamental part of all computer games. So apparently only the lucky win then since its fundamental according to you. Wake up no it isnt. You also need to understand the definition of the word FACT. I will break it down for you July goes nydus...he doesnt flip a dice and radomnly builds it anywhere he builds it in a place that has had success before because of where he placed it. Now granted this is not guaranteed nothing is ever incontroll could have done something non standard and seen it but he didnt as i suspect many other opponents before him also didnt. Understand now? Or i give up on you.
...serious question, why are you being so aggressive? Chill out, jesus.
You seem to think that there's a magic blind spot on Tal'darim where July always builds his nydus? Nope...that's just the only spot Inc didn't build a pylon. Inc made a mistake, and July was lucky that Inc made that mistake. Lucky in the sense that if he didn't see that 1 spot where the nydus could go he was fucked. He was relying on a blind spot. Luckily for him there was a blind spot.
He was rolling a dice because he had no choice. His original plan was a baneling bust which didn't work. He had one option only and that was to hope that he could sneak a nydus in.
Facts, yo.
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Man, NASL could be so great if they got rid of Gretorp. I can not stand listening to him at all. Terrible voice, terrible jokes, terrible calls. So sad and the major reason I am not buying a season ticket.
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Xeris kinda reminds me of Topher Grace now that he's not as awkward as he was at the beginning.
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I think all my 1-10 scales are now going to be 1-TIGER.
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On June 03 2011 12:27 vict1019 wrote:Holy sheit this casting is getting bad
I love it.
Tiger in the eye.
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On June 03 2011 12:27 Ghostpvp wrote:
The odds of controlled substances being abused before this cast seem to be growing the longer this cast goes on.
I remember on SotG that Geoff said that Gretorp had not slept at all the night before casting all these games so that could explain him being a bit off.
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On June 03 2011 12:24 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:12 Whitewing wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway! I like it except when you're complaining about archons -_-. First: I'm a protoss player I also strongly believe archons are too strong. I really think increasing build time / making them unable to move/be pushed while morphing would help a little bit. I.E. in those games, the archons morphed faster than qxc could kill them T_T
Problem is, SotG number 40, we had a good 10 mins of Incontrol saying how Archons were bad and wanting a buff on them...Who to believe now?
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On June 03 2011 12:27 Moonwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:26 gh0un wrote:On June 03 2011 12:22 IPA wrote:
"Nice forcefields" as he fails to catch a single unit. Sick casting. Its like, everytime forcefields are thrown down they call "nice forcefields", no matter how good or bad they actually were. Its as if they dont have any other way of announcing that forcefields were thrown down, therefore they stick with "nice forcefields". Hahah yeah. sick forcefields! HUGE scan! Amazing storms! nice emp! nothing hits.
Maybe its a courtesy to how easy those spells are to use, because they really arent that hard to use and therefore they dont even consider the possibility that any of them would ever miss.
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its live? Or rather, i mean, july plays live now? Sorry but theres also a EU broadcast right?
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On June 03 2011 12:27 bobwhiz wrote:
Jul-y of the Tiger.
I loled.
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On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG.
Well he is certainly a contender for top 5 in the world. There's no one that's really hands-down top 5 besides Nestea of course
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On June 03 2011 12:24 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:12 Whitewing wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway! I like it except when you're complaining about archons -_-. First: I'm a protoss player I also strongly believe archons are too strong. I really think increasing build time / making them unable to move/be pushed while morphing would help a little bit. I.E. in those games, the archons morphed faster than qxc could kill them T_T
Didn't exactly help that the 3 Archons that were morphing cost more in resources than the few Marauders he had trying to stop them. Archons are resource inefficient, when Cruncher has 9bases obviously it is going to look strong because the guy can make an army of Archons at will.
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On June 03 2011 12:29 ForeverSleep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:24 Xeris wrote:On June 03 2011 12:12 Whitewing wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway! I like it except when you're complaining about archons -_-. First: I'm a protoss player I also strongly believe archons are too strong. I really think increasing build time / making them unable to move/be pushed while morphing would help a little bit. I.E. in those games, the archons morphed faster than qxc could kill them T_T Problem is, SotG number 40, we had a good 10 mins of Incontrol saying how Archons were bad and wanting a buff on them...Who to believe now?
I think it was Tyler that agreed, right? They were talking about how they sucked compared to BW Archons
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On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG.
GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe
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On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG.
You're trolling and it's not even particularly funny or inflaming. Try harder at least.
Let's go July. Playing in the morning is no problem for BreakfastZerg.
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On June 03 2011 12:11 Xeris wrote:
I was actually super nervous casting today! It's a lot more difficult than I thought it was... I didn't know where I was supposed to look, etc; do I look at Gretorp or the camera or what? It was very confusing, haha.
But I hope you all enjoyed my casting anyway!
I like it except when you're complaining about archons -_-.[/QUOTE]
First: I'm a protoss player I also strongly believe archons are too strong. I really think increasing build time / making them unable to move/be pushed while morphing would help a little bit. I.E. in those games, the archons morphed faster than qxc could kill them T_T[/QUOTE]
That's totally fine, but generally people don't want to hear it during a cast. Otherwise enjoying it.
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On June 03 2011 12:27 Sideburn wrote:
Gretorp's casting is honestly an affront to this game. I don't care about all the other failings of the NASL. I can forgive the stream going down and all the production problems. I CANNOT forgive their electing to have him represent them though.
Even though I am feeling too generous and nice and fun to get behind you completely, I do agree.
XD
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On June 03 2011 12:28 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:15 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:07 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:04 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. o.O you think that was luck? It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot. so you think its "luck" that someome uses a blind spot on a map. Really? This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. You do sneaky shit in places that you know are vulnerable. Are you crazy in the face? It was obviously lucky. That's not anything to disparage July but it is objectively lucky. I'm sorry if facts offend you. Like I already said, it was July's only option. If Inc moves a probe 1 hex to left his only option disappears. People win every game with a bit of luck. This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. Yeah - luck is a fundamental part of all computer games. So apparently only the lucky win then since its fundamental according to you. Wake up no it isnt. You also need to understand the definition of the word FACT. I will break it down for you July goes nydus...he doesnt flip a dice and radomnly builds it anywhere he builds it in a place that has had success before because of where he placed it. Now granted this is not guaranteed nothing is ever incontroll could have done something non standard and seen it but he didnt as i suspect many other opponents before him also didnt. Understand now? Or i give up on you. ...serious question, why are you being so aggressive? Chill out, jesus. You seem to think that there's a magic blind spot on Tal'darim where July always builds his nydus? Nope...that's just the only spot Inc didn't build a pylon. Inc made a mistake, and July was lucky that Inc made that mistake. Lucky in the sense that if he didn't see that 1 spot where the nydus could go he was fucked. He was relying on a blind spot. Luckily for him there was a blind spot. He was rolling a dice because he had no choice. His original plan was a baneling bust which didn't work. He had one option only and that was to hope that he could sneak a nydus in. Facts, yo.
There is nothing in my post that is aggressive whatsoever so sorry to disappoint you there. From my experience in many many computer games there are always blind spots on maps that players exploit if you have never played a game to a decent level then i can accept you wouldnt realise this. He had a choice to build a nydus and he had a choice to do it where he did and it worked as i suspect it has before many times.
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How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG.
He top 2'd GSL and just won CotH. Two very impressive recent results.
He's also 6-1 in NASL with lag and time zone changes.
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Gretorp calling July his friend!? Traitor and bias!!@# Incontrol would never be so biased! >:O!
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Very late robo bay for Inc again, especially after the Hydra den which he could have scouted with hallu
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incontrol with the max chrono.
Super sloppy play.
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July gearing up for hydra ling push again with corruptor followup to deal with colo?
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incontrol has 100 energy on his nexus :/ July taking his 4th
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Inc...man. Chronoboost is honestly what seperates the top from the bottom in the pros imo. Anyone can do FF/Blink micro after some practice
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On June 03 2011 12:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Gretorp calling July his friend!? Traitor and bias!!@# Incontrol would never be so biased! >:O!
GRETORP MUST GO BECAUSE OF THIS BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!11
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god damn blow your noise!
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On June 03 2011 12:33 nvs. wrote:
incontrol with the max chrono.
Super sloppy play.
He's doing it on purpose, I read about this new build on the bnet forums that involve saving 200 energy.
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Not bad from Inc. Held off that two-pronged attack with only one unit dying.
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*takes a taste*
Needs more colossus.
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Great forcefields? They didnt even block the ramp at first and the first ff was just kind of random
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On June 03 2011 12:33 1Eris1 wrote:
Inc...man. Chronoboost is honestly what seperates the top from the bottom in the pros imo. Anyone can do FF/Blink micro after some practice
I specifically remember him always hassling his coaching students about the importance of chrono, but INC can't do it in an extremely important match. =(
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2nd Robo going down for Inc.
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July senses weakness. No more bases. Neverending attack initiated
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On June 03 2011 12:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Great forcefields? They didnt even block the ramp at first and the first ff was just kind of random
stop nit picking the casters. its pretty annoying and trollish...
dont think geoff can keep up with july's macro.
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xeris is so biased >.< so much so that he makes false calls lol
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Big mistake trying to push out by Incontrol.
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Incontrol lets a single corruptor kill his last colossus which could of kited everything
SIGH
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Dammit...GG
July can just A-move to victory now ;__;
What exactly went wrong?
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July has flipped the kill switch
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Incontrol curbstomps himself, moves out with ~120 food against ~170, trades units with July in a ridiculously favorable way for July, and will probably just die.
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Incontrol, why you no chronoboost anything ever?
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On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe
Rain was GSL finalist too. Was he top 5 Terran in the world ? No!
Not saying July is bad but he cheese way too much in almost every freaking series, and overrated.
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On June 03 2011 12:27 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. so sais his rank in nasl huh? hes doing SO bad rite?
o look guys just look at the third game... his nexus wasnt up late... same results..
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July has well over twice the supply.
Eye of Tiger > *
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Incccccccccccc = /. wtf bro...great play the 1st game but that 3rd one was abysmal
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Grats on going through July.
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On June 03 2011 12:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Big mistake trying to push out by Incontrol.
It would have gone his way, I feel, if he had actually used his 2 full-energy sentrys.
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Geoff is so manner, what a great guy.
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Whoa very manner from Incontrol.
But I still feel down
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On June 03 2011 12:36 Mailing wrote:
Incontrol lets a single corruptor kill his last colossus which could of kited everything
SIGH
Colossi can't kite roaches without sentry support or huge stalker numbers.
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Incontrol very well mannered <3
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Still an amazing first game.
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Really good manners by inControl. No shame in losing to someone as incredible as July.
Congrats July gl in final <3
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Super manner by Incontrol. Hopefully they meet again at MLG
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Incontrol always says something nice to his opponent when he GGs. Such a nice dude.
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incontrol - such a good manner dude!
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Wait what, I thought July only clinched top 16
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On June 03 2011 12:37 hitman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe Rain was GSL finalist too. Was he top 5 Terran in the world ? No! Not saying July is bad but he cheese way too much in almost every freaking series, and overrated.
He cheesed in brood war. that doesn't make him a bad player. he can play straight up games too as opposed to rain who cheesed 98% of his games to that gsl finals
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July going to the finals, so baller
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On June 03 2011 12:36 Z3kk wrote:
Dammit...GG
July can just A-move to victory now ;__;
What exactly went wrong?
Chronoboost at 200/200, throwing that entire army into a concaved army of july.
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Sigh Protoss T1 Armies is entirely reliant on FFs, they are abysmal.
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IncontroL is always a class act in-game. Good manner at the end. Good luck for both at MLG!
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Love when July starts his endless attacks with units pouring from all of his bases. Fantastic to watch, GG.
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so manner by incontrol
just stood no chance, July so good
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How many gateways did Incontrol have at the end of game 3? It seemed like he didn't scale his production enough for his 3 base economy.
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Last time I checked Columbus is in Ohio, not Ontario
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incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important.
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Incontrol such a nice guy
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Good games today, ruined by Gretorp.
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On June 03 2011 12:38 Grimwold wrote:
Last time I checked Columbus is in Ohio, not Ontario
They are talking about the NASL final in Ontario, Cali.
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I do think incontrol saved the chronoboosts on purpose, but i dont like that decision against zerg.
Unmolested zerg will just mass drones and as soon as he has his economy running, constantly attack with units (just as we saw).
The only way to prevent this, is to either pressure the zerg to prevent him from getting drones only (which wouldnt have been the best decision on this map), or to use those chronoboosts on building probes in order to not fall behind in economy.
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On June 03 2011 12:38 Grimwold wrote:
Last time I checked Columbus is in Ohio, not Ontario
They're talking about the live NASL grand final (top 16) taking place in ontario, ca on the dates they mentioned.
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On June 03 2011 12:38 Grimwold wrote:
Last time I checked Columbus is in Ohio, not Ontario
"Ontario, California" for NASL on-site playoffs.
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Not saying July is bad but he cheese way too much in almost every freaking series, and overrated.
July just uber outmacro'd INC that game. There was no cheese game 2 either.
Therefore, 2/3 games today were standard.
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Grats to July. Well mannered by iNcontroL. July in MLG should be quite exciting.
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On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe
He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career.
GG to July though.
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On June 03 2011 12:38 tree.hugger wrote:
IncontroL is always a class act in-game. Good manner at the end. Good luck for both at MLG!
here here, so looking forward to MLG and at least incontrol took one game off his idol
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July guaranteed a spot in the LAN, right? He clinched first place in his group?
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On June 03 2011 12:38 Mycl wrote:
How many gateways did Incontrol have at the end of game 3? It seemed like he didn't scale his production enough for his 3 base economy.
He definitely had more than three, you could see when he warped in a bunch of units there before July finally broke him. I think he was at around 5-6 (don't know if that's normal or not for 3 base P)
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On June 03 2011 12:38 Grimwold wrote:
Last time I checked Columbus is in Ohio, not Ontario
They were talking about the NASL Final event.
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On June 03 2011 12:37 hitman123 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe Rain was GSL finalist too. Was he top 5 Terran in the world ? No! Not saying July is bad but he cheese way too much in almost every freaking series, and overrated.
Nah July is a total boss. Won every NASL game except double bunker rush from Ensnare, GSL finalist and won through the Clash of the Houses to get into MLG.
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On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important.
I believe its InC's macro mechanics that holds him back.
He has great control and decision making, just cant keep up in the macro game.
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On June 03 2011 12:38 dooraven wrote:
Sigh Protoss T1 Armies is entirely reliant on FFs, they are abysmal.
Yes, they are... which is why you don't trade your Tier 1 army against the Zerg's Tier 2 while you're trying to build up your Tier 3...
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On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important.
He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it.
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On June 03 2011 12:27 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:26 Dommk wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Severedevil wrote:On June 03 2011 12:19 DeltruS wrote:
Why don't protoss get a fast +1 air when going pheonix? Pheonixes do 2 fast attack volleys at 5 damage a piece, and overlords have 1 armor. I have no idea. It's incredibly strong - especially against queens. If you're going to open 1 Stargate air and get more than 4 air units, you should absolutely get +1 Air Weapons. Corrupter Ling Bane beats it pretty handily :S You can't handle a baneling/Ling army without a good ground army, on maps like Meta it would be so difficult to take your third against a Tsunami of Ling/Banes going mass Phoenix He said the standard 4 phoenix/VR build... into gateways and more phoenix (viable) Do you complain about EVERY protoss build and unit?
What are you fuck are talking about? When have I ever complained about a Protoss unit or build? I think that best describes YOU if anyone
The 4Phoenix/VR build stops at that much because you don't want to over commit and lack a ground army strong enough to contest the Zerg, the build sometimes gets hard countered by Hydra/Ling all-in depending on the map and spawn positions.
When you go for more air units you need to do it on a map that has a relatively easy to take third because against Ling/Baneling play you can't keep up. You need a Good colossus/Stalker count or Templars to deal with them and even though you do damage you are put in a position where you can't take your third. Corruptor ling/bane has already proved to be a very strong combo against mass Phoenix, even San said that it is starting to phase out these days.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career.
Um, he lost the finals because zerg couldn't win a ZvP for their life around then. Yes he has bad ZvZ, nearly every top pro has a bad MU. I'm not saying he's the best player in the world, but there is no way in hell anyone could come up with 4 better zerg players than July
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
July guaranteed a spot in the LAN, right? He clinched first place in his group?
Yeah, the best anyone else can do in his group is 6-3 while he's at 7-1 currently.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career. GG to July though.
I will agree that his ZvZ is just awful. just plain awful
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career. GG to July though.
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I find it kinda strange that some of these protoss doesnt know how to use chronoboost when thats pretty much the only macro shit they have to worry about.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
July guaranteed a spot in the LAN, right? He clinched first place in his group?
Yep, he's through.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:37 hitman123 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe Rain was GSL finalist too. Was he top 5 Terran in the world ? No! Not saying July is bad but he cheese way too much in almost every freaking series, and overrated. Nah July is a total boss. Won every NASL game except double bunker rush from Ensnare, GSL finalist and won through the Clash of the Houses to get into MLG.
Lol, look at his NASL group. He baneling busted his way through Clash of the Houses as well every time his opponents took a game off him. Rain and Inca were also GSL finalists.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Shellshock1122 wrote:
July guaranteed a spot in the LAN, right? He clinched first place in his group?
Yup. No one can catch him. He's first in his group.
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On June 03 2011 12:40 xbankx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important. He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it.
Don't other protoss build more colossus and less gateway units, and use c-boost on the colossus?
Every time July attacked incontrol had no DPS because it was 1 or 2 colossus vs 100 army supply. Seemed very late each time
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career. GG to July though.
Haters gonna hate. July has had more results than just one showing in the GSL finals. He consistently does well in everything he participates in, including doing extremely well in the NASL and winning the CotH to get a spot in MLG
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On June 03 2011 12:31 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:28 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:15 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:07 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:04 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:On June 03 2011 11:58 Pajegetc wrote:
Just one game without an all in from July. maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. o.O you think that was luck? It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot. so you think its "luck" that someome uses a blind spot on a map. Really? This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. You do sneaky shit in places that you know are vulnerable. Are you crazy in the face? It was obviously lucky. That's not anything to disparage July but it is objectively lucky. I'm sorry if facts offend you. Like I already said, it was July's only option. If Inc moves a probe 1 hex to left his only option disappears. People win every game with a bit of luck. This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. Yeah - luck is a fundamental part of all computer games. So apparently only the lucky win then since its fundamental according to you. Wake up no it isnt. You also need to understand the definition of the word FACT. I will break it down for you July goes nydus...he doesnt flip a dice and radomnly builds it anywhere he builds it in a place that has had success before because of where he placed it. Now granted this is not guaranteed nothing is ever incontroll could have done something non standard and seen it but he didnt as i suspect many other opponents before him also didnt. Understand now? Or i give up on you. ...serious question, why are you being so aggressive? Chill out, jesus. You seem to think that there's a magic blind spot on Tal'darim where July always builds his nydus? Nope...that's just the only spot Inc didn't build a pylon. Inc made a mistake, and July was lucky that Inc made that mistake. Lucky in the sense that if he didn't see that 1 spot where the nydus could go he was fucked. He was relying on a blind spot. Luckily for him there was a blind spot. He was rolling a dice because he had no choice. His original plan was a baneling bust which didn't work. He had one option only and that was to hope that he could sneak a nydus in. Facts, yo. There is nothing in my post that is aggressive whatsoever so sorry to disappoint you there. From my experience in many many computer games there are always blind spots on maps that players exploit if you have never played a game to a decent level then i can accept you wouldnt realise this. He had a choice to build a nydus and he had a choice to do it where he did and it worked as i suspect it has before many times.
Yeah actually you're right you're definitely not being an arrogant douche at a-
Wake up no it isnt.
understand the definition of the word FACT.
if you have never played a game to a decent level
Understand now? Or i give up on you.
...oh.
As for you actual argument, it makes no sense at all. Inc was building pylons specifically to spot nyduses. He missed a spot. Was it because it's some sort of pylon black hole where protoss never put any buildings? Nope it was just an accident. I understand the concept of blind spots, thank you very much Mr Condescending. But that's not one.
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T_T my liquibets. At least i can still trust in July to bring the hurt.
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career. GG to July though.
That's great. I can make several arguments for other players as well, but you know what I'm not going to.
At the end of the day, it's about getting the job done.
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Heyy they forgot to mention IdrA as a guest caster =P
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Can we see who's in the open tournament as they sign up or do we have to wait for the bracket?
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On June 03 2011 12:41 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:39 Blasphemi wrote:On June 03 2011 12:37 hitman123 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe Rain was GSL finalist too. Was he top 5 Terran in the world ? No! Not saying July is bad but he cheese way too much in almost every freaking series, and overrated. Nah July is a total boss. Won every NASL game except double bunker rush from Ensnare, GSL finalist and won through the Clash of the Houses to get into MLG. Lol, look at his NASL group. He baneling busted his way through Clash of the Houses as well every time his opponents took a game off him. Rain and Inca were also GSL finalists.
A win is a win.
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You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO.
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On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO.
Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once
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On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO.
Good protoss are not.
Go watch some Ace, MC, Squirtle, Naniwa, Xaiot, Hasuobs games.
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July badly outmacrod Incontrol game 3. There was NO CHEESE and NO ALL IN!
stop calling him overrated..... -.-
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On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career. GG to July though.
GSL Finalist, CSN's CoTH winner, top of his group in NASL. Truely an overrated player. -.-
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On June 03 2011 12:45 bkrow wrote:1,024 @ $10 = profit hehe Seriously though - 1,024 person tournament is brutal! It is going to be really cool to see who can surface in the Top 8! Xeris, you were fun to listen to today haha but you really look so confused as to where you should be looking haha; down at the screen? No at the camera? No at Gretorp - i am not saying this negatively it just looks funny
Is 1024 the max or is that how many they are going to have?
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On June 03 2011 12:45 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO. Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once
It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless (definitely no imbalance or anything), but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently.
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On June 03 2011 12:45 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO. Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once
Or the fact that July is just a far, far better player than Incontrol.
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On June 03 2011 12:45 bkrow wrote:1,024 @ $10 = profit hehe Seriously though - 1,024 person tournament is brutal! It is going to be really cool to see who can surface in the Top 8! Xeris, you were fun to listen to today haha but you really look so confused as to where you should be looking haha; down at the screen? No at the camera? No at Gretorp - i am not saying this negatively it just looks funny
I know T_T! lololol I had no idea ;;
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$10 to enter? Quick way of earning 10k i guess... I didn't even realise that was legal. I've seen plenty of times posts saying you need Blizzard's permission to charge fees.
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On June 03 2011 12:42 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:31 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:28 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:15 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:07 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:04 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 11:59 Falcor wrote:
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maybe people should stop being greedy playing vs the ultra aggressive zerg? and hes expanded and is ahead in bases vs incontrol... What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. o.O you think that was luck? It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot. so you think its "luck" that someome uses a blind spot on a map. Really? This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. You do sneaky shit in places that you know are vulnerable. Are you crazy in the face? It was obviously lucky. That's not anything to disparage July but it is objectively lucky. I'm sorry if facts offend you. Like I already said, it was July's only option. If Inc moves a probe 1 hex to left his only option disappears. People win every game with a bit of luck. This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. Yeah - luck is a fundamental part of all computer games. So apparently only the lucky win then since its fundamental according to you. Wake up no it isnt. You also need to understand the definition of the word FACT. I will break it down for you July goes nydus...he doesnt flip a dice and radomnly builds it anywhere he builds it in a place that has had success before because of where he placed it. Now granted this is not guaranteed nothing is ever incontroll could have done something non standard and seen it but he didnt as i suspect many other opponents before him also didnt. Understand now? Or i give up on you. ...serious question, why are you being so aggressive? Chill out, jesus. You seem to think that there's a magic blind spot on Tal'darim where July always builds his nydus? Nope...that's just the only spot Inc didn't build a pylon. Inc made a mistake, and July was lucky that Inc made that mistake. Lucky in the sense that if he didn't see that 1 spot where the nydus could go he was fucked. He was relying on a blind spot. Luckily for him there was a blind spot. He was rolling a dice because he had no choice. His original plan was a baneling bust which didn't work. He had one option only and that was to hope that he could sneak a nydus in. Facts, yo. There is nothing in my post that is aggressive whatsoever so sorry to disappoint you there. From my experience in many many computer games there are always blind spots on maps that players exploit if you have never played a game to a decent level then i can accept you wouldnt realise this. He had a choice to build a nydus and he had a choice to do it where he did and it worked as i suspect it has before many times. Yeah actually you're right you're definitely not being an arrogant douche at a- ...oh. As for you actual argument, it makes no sense at all. Inc was building pylons specifically to spot nyduses. He missed a spot. Was it because it's some sort of pylon black hole where protoss never put any buildings? Nope it was just an accident. I understand the concept of blind spots, thank you very much Mr Condescending. But that's not one.
sorry mister scary you are completely right you arent aggressive at all yes it was a complete accident even LUCK and a FACT that july didnt build a nydus in sight of where incontrol had buildings this is also a completely unknown phenomenon in esports. Incontrol is clearly the better player and not at all outwitted can i go now because frankly im a bit worried.
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On June 03 2011 12:45 bkrow wrote:1,024 @ $10 = profit hehe Seriously though - 1,024 person tournament is brutal! It is going to be really cool to see who can surface in the Top 8!
Yeah, that's going to be some crazy shit coming out of that mass of people.
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On June 03 2011 12:40 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career. Um, he lost the finals because zerg couldn't win a ZvP for their life around then. Yes he has bad ZvZ, nearly every top pro has a bad MU. I'm not saying he's the best player in the world, but there is no way in hell anyone could come up with 4 better zerg players than July
I think it was more like when you have an aggressive zerg versus a timing attack based toss. It is not the best "style" vs "style" matchup either. July perfer his toss opponent to try to mass those deathballs then just punishes them for being immobile(hitting 3rd or keep your colossus ball tied up chasing roach ling) and hope to induce a mistake like a missed ff and just win. Or he also seems to like to punish players for staying on gateway for too long. His fast hydra build would get decimated by standard 2 base colossus but players have shunned those builds because they tend to be a lot weaker against mid game mass roach/ling timings and switched to a more gateway+ff centered style which is really bad versus ling/hydra. July just played better and read his opponent both game 2 and 3.
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On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:45 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO. Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless, but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled in basically every event recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently.
Protoss have FF. Use it well and roaches won't be such a big problem. I can point to several games where well placed FF stopped roaches cold.
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On June 03 2011 12:45 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:39 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 Heavenly wrote:On June 03 2011 12:27 jazzyjazz wrote:On June 03 2011 12:24 Heavenly wrote:
Lol, that was fully Incontrol messing up the early game ridiculously hard, his nexus was over a minute late. more overrating for julyzerg pls. Julyzerg must be top 5 zerg in the world =P To be fair, july messed up game one pretty hard, does that make incontrol overrated? They're both good players, enjoy the game. How is Julyzerg top 5 zerg in the world? I guess we'll see at MLG. GSL finals finish is pretty good. Who else is better? Nestea? Losira? Certainly no other Korean zergs. Maybe some top foreign zergs like Sen, Idra, etc maybe He just got knocked out of the GSL by Slayers_Min, his ZvZ is abysmal. He got to the GSL finals then got 4-1'd and is 7-1 against MC. Even Morrow has a better record against MC. July's path to the finals was not exactly that difficult, and he frequently all-inned (baneling busted MVP twice). Inca made it to the finals, does that mean anything? I've never found him remotely impressive, it's fully hype from his Brood War career. GG to July though. GSL Finalist, CSN's CoTH winner, top of his group in NASL. Truely an overrated player. -.- \
Cool, thanks for quoting my post that addressed those points then repeating them exactly. Rain and Inca were both finalists, this NASL group is probably one of the least scary imaginable minus WhiteRa who I don't think they even played, and he all-inned a ton in CoTH and went 3-2 against Taeja who isn't even Code A.
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On June 03 2011 12:46 TheHova wrote:
$10 to enter? Quick way of earning 10k i guess... I didn't even realise that was legal. I've seen plenty of times posts saying you need Blizzard's permission to charge fees.
You need permission to charge fees to tune in to the broadcast I believe, not to participate in the tournament.
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On June 03 2011 12:45 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO. Good protoss are not. Go watch some Ace, MC, Squirtle, Naniwa, Xaiot, Hasuobs games.
So are you saying EGIncontrol is a bad protoss? Look at how MC got pwn when he did a fast expand during GSTL when DRG did a roach rush? This race is broken.
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On June 03 2011 12:42 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:40 xbankx wrote:On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important. He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it. Don't other protoss build more colossus and less gateway units, and use c-boost on the colossus? Every time July attacked incontrol had no DPS because it was 1 or 2 colossus vs 100 army supply. Seemed very late each time
No...
Seriously, do you actually play this game? Going fast Colossus is the easiest way to lose to these builds. There is a thread in the strategy forum about it, going fast Blink or building up Colossus slowly is the best way to do it as you actually need an army to stop them from bum rushing the Colossus..
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On June 03 2011 12:47 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 03 2011 12:45 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO. Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless, but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled in basically every event recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently. Protoss have FF. Use it well and roaches won't be such a big problem. I can point to several games where well placed FF stopped roaches cold.
Yea, you didn't address my post in any way whatsoever. We know that. I was talking about something different and a much more general point.
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On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:45 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO. Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless, but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled in basically every event recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently.
Yeah, I mean the 4 protoss semi-finals in Starwars where all of the top zergs got dominated shows protoss getting rolled. GSL stats for the MU is literally 500%
Too many protoss are stuck on colossi/gateway pew pew, and it's been figured out. Every protoss told zerg to stfu and try something other than roach/hydra/corrupter for 2 months so I think it's time to say the same to protoss. I'm a random player, and I go heavy archon/zealot--> into templar in my PvZ's and I have like a 90% winrate. (granted I'm only masters)
Should check out the chinese protoss, they are tearing it up
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On June 03 2011 12:40 xbankx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important. He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it.
I think a year from now, we'll all be laughing at how newbie Protoss used to be at chronoboost management.
It's a very tricky macro mechanic, because it changes how much money you can spend. Obvious I know, but it changes the balance between income and production. And is especially hard when you're bouncing chrono boost on different buildings all the time (usually probes and upgrades? I dunno).
I just don't think chrono is all that well understood right now, it's not like Larvae Inject, a 40 second PITA, but a very consistent and easily to adjust to change in your macro.
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On June 03 2011 12:48 dennistoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:45 Mailing wrote:On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO. Good protoss are not. Go watch some Ace, MC, Squirtle, Naniwa, Xaiot, Hasuobs games. So are you saying EGIncontrol is a bad protoss? Look at how MC got pwn when he did a fast expand during GSTL when DRG did a roach rush? This race is broken.
No, Incontrol is not bad.
His force fields, the primary way to deal with roaches, however, is.
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On June 03 2011 12:48 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:47 TOloseGT wrote:On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 03 2011 12:45 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO. Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless, but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled in basically every event recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently. Protoss have FF. Use it well and roaches won't be such a big problem. I can point to several games where well placed FF stopped roaches cold. Yea, you didn't address my post in any way whatsoever. We know that. I was talking about something different and a much more general point.
Talking about the first quote.
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how is QXC losing every bo3? what does he need to change in his gameplay in order to succeed?
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On June 03 2011 12:47 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:46 TheHova wrote:
$10 to enter? Quick way of earning 10k i guess... I didn't even realise that was legal. I've seen plenty of times posts saying you need Blizzard's permission to charge fees. You need permission to charge fees to tune in to the broadcast I believe, not to participate in the tournament.
I'm fairly certain you need consent from Blizzard to charge tournament fees. At least from what has been posted on here in the past when it's been suggested.
They could have it from Blizzard for all i know. I'm just surprised by it, that's all.
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On June 03 2011 12:50 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:48 dennistoo wrote:On June 03 2011 12:45 Mailing wrote:On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO. Good protoss are not. Go watch some Ace, MC, Squirtle, Naniwa, Xaiot, Hasuobs games. So are you saying EGIncontrol is a bad protoss? Look at how MC got pwn when he did a fast expand during GSTL when DRG did a roach rush? This race is broken. No, Incontrol is not bad. His force fields, the primary way to deal with roaches, however, is.
Not sure how that MC game can be referenced either. MC went literally the most greedy build possible by teching and FEing at the same time. Also, July is straight up a better player than Incontrol anyway, so I'm not sure how people see it as an imbalance issue (game seems pretty balanced right now).
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On June 03 2011 12:50 backtoback wrote:
how is QXC losing every bo3? what does he need to change in his gameplay in order to succeed?
He needs to practice, his mechanics are a bit lacking, his build orders haven't been great, and he needs to relearn some timings.
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On June 03 2011 12:42 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:40 xbankx wrote:On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important. He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it. Don't other protoss build more colossus and less gateway units, and use c-boost on the colossus? Every time July attacked incontrol had no DPS because it was 1 or 2 colossus vs 100 army supply. Seemed very late each time
Easiest way to lose mid game these days is trying for fast colossus off 2 bases and around 3 gateways. Once roach get speed, they will just rush you when you only got 1 colossus out and its gg. Im sorry as good as your ff can be 1 colossus without range and like 10 gateway units dont stack agaisnt 25-30 roaches+ like 40-50 lings streaming in.
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On June 03 2011 12:48 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 03 2011 12:45 1Eris1 wrote:On June 03 2011 12:44 dennistoo wrote:
You guys noticed something about PvZ recently? Protoss is helpless against mass roaches. I'm not going to QQ about balancing. But if you see the recently PvZ, you will understand.
75/25 for roaches? ROFLMAO. Awesome post. Obviously it was imbalance that lost Incontrol that game and not the fact that he literally didn't use his chronoboost once It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless, but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled in basically every event recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently. Yeah, I mean the 4 protoss semi-finals in Starwars where all of the top zergs got dominated shows protoss getting rolled. GSL stats for the MU is literally 500% Too many protoss are stuck on colossi/gateway pew pew, and it's been figured out. Every protoss told zerg to stfu and try something other than roach/hydra/corrupter for 2 months so I think it's time to say the same to protoss. I'm a random player, and I go heavy archon/zealot--> into templar in my PvZ's and I have like a 90% winrate. (granted I'm only masters)Should check out the chinese protoss, they are tearing it up
I like that build too, it's fun but it really only works in Masters
The build is pretty terrible if you are playing against someone that knows how to beat it, that is if you are talking about the one that was in the strategy forum where you build like nothing for 12mins whilst powering upgrades, tech and getting gateways lol
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On June 03 2011 12:46 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:42 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:31 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:28 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:15 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:11 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:07 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:04 The KY wrote:On June 03 2011 12:02 Vimsey wrote:On June 03 2011 12:01 Heavenly wrote:
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What? Forge fast expand is not greedy lol. JulyZerg is HIGHLY overrated and he is extremely lucky that he managed to get that nydus in. o.O you think that was luck? It was lucky that there was a tiny spot that he could hide the nydus in. If Inc had moved his probe like 1 hex to the left he would have won this game by a long shot. so you think its "luck" that someome uses a blind spot on a map. Really? This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. You do sneaky shit in places that you know are vulnerable. Are you crazy in the face? It was obviously lucky. That's not anything to disparage July but it is objectively lucky. I'm sorry if facts offend you. Like I already said, it was July's only option. If Inc moves a probe 1 hex to left his only option disappears. People win every game with a bit of luck. This isnt exclusive to SC2 this is fundamental strategy in all computer games. Yeah - luck is a fundamental part of all computer games. So apparently only the lucky win then since its fundamental according to you. Wake up no it isnt. You also need to understand the definition of the word FACT. I will break it down for you July goes nydus...he doesnt flip a dice and radomnly builds it anywhere he builds it in a place that has had success before because of where he placed it. Now granted this is not guaranteed nothing is ever incontroll could have done something non standard and seen it but he didnt as i suspect many other opponents before him also didnt. Understand now? Or i give up on you. ...serious question, why are you being so aggressive? Chill out, jesus. You seem to think that there's a magic blind spot on Tal'darim where July always builds his nydus? Nope...that's just the only spot Inc didn't build a pylon. Inc made a mistake, and July was lucky that Inc made that mistake. Lucky in the sense that if he didn't see that 1 spot where the nydus could go he was fucked. He was relying on a blind spot. Luckily for him there was a blind spot. He was rolling a dice because he had no choice. His original plan was a baneling bust which didn't work. He had one option only and that was to hope that he could sneak a nydus in. Facts, yo. There is nothing in my post that is aggressive whatsoever so sorry to disappoint you there. From my experience in many many computer games there are always blind spots on maps that players exploit if you have never played a game to a decent level then i can accept you wouldnt realise this. He had a choice to build a nydus and he had a choice to do it where he did and it worked as i suspect it has before many times. Yeah actually you're right you're definitely not being an arrogant douche at a- Wake up no it isnt. understand the definition of the word FACT. if you have never played a game to a decent level Understand now? Or i give up on you. ...oh. As for you actual argument, it makes no sense at all. Inc was building pylons specifically to spot nyduses. He missed a spot. Was it because it's some sort of pylon black hole where protoss never put any buildings? Nope it was just an accident. I understand the concept of blind spots, thank you very much Mr Condescending. But that's not one. sorry mister scary you are completely right you arent aggressive at all yes it was a complete accident even LUCK and a FACT that july didnt build a nydus in sight of where incontrol had buildings this is also a completely unknown phenomenon in esports. Incontrol is clearly the better player and not at all outwitted can i go now because frankly im a bit worried.
Here.
I just don't even understand where you could possibly be coming from with this. Like...it was obviously lucky. He was using pylons to spot for nydus worms and missed a spot completely by accident. It's not a bad thing. I'm not saying July is bad. I'm not insulting him in any way. I'm not saying he didn't 'outwit' iNcontroL but a lot of the time outwitting your opponent means taking the advantages that luck gives you.
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On June 03 2011 12:40 xbankx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important. He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it.
Even when this is the case, shortening the build time of units like colossi and getting them out faster from when you purchase the unit is always advantageous
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On June 03 2011 12:55 Xeris wrote:We have a full tournament license from Blizzard
I would imagine so, be pretty insane if somehow that got forgotten.
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On June 03 2011 12:56 Clog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:40 xbankx wrote:On June 03 2011 12:38 starcraft2rush wrote:
incontrol really blew it. no chrono usage? chrono is sooooooooo important. He had no money. If you checked. He was only at around 200-300 minerals when they commented on his chronoboost. People tend to forget just because you can build faster doesn't mean you have the cash for it. Even when this is the case, shortening the build time of units like colossi and getting them out faster from when you purchase the unit is always advantageous
I believe he chroned his forge as much as possible. His robo bay isnt done when they made that comment and chronoing warpgate+nexus when you got no money just don't work.
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On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless (definitely no imbalance or anything), but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently.
It reminds me of when the Roach got buffed to range 4 and every Zerg all of a sudden started busting Protoss fast expand. Granted that was an actually balance change that triggererd that (They also started owning Terran by shutting down early harass with that change too).
But somehow, Protoss started fast expanding again and now Zerg is just busting it with mass roach / ling again.
So to me, it's just another turn in the cycle.
That's an oversimplification, but roaches killing Protoss on 2 base before they can power seems to be what most people are shocked by these days (in today's case while Protoss starts to add on T3 was the timing window July used).
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Guys I used chrono as much as I could. I'm actually good about it I shouldn't have attacked up the ramp game 3 and I needed to remake sentry. I lost that game... Shoulda won
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anyone know where I can find details about which players have clinched ro16 spots, which players are out etc?
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On June 03 2011 12:58 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless (definitely no imbalance or anything), but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently. It reminds me of when the Roach got buffed to range 4 and every Zerg all of a sudden started busting Protoss fast expand. Granted that was an actually balance change that triggererd that (They also started owning Terran by shutting down early harass with that change too). But somehow, Protoss started fast expanding again and now Zerg is just busting it with mass roach / ling again. So to me, it's just another turn in the cycle. That's an oversimplification, but roaches killing Protoss on 2 base before they can power seems to be what most people are shocked by these days (in today's case while Protoss starts to add on T3 was the timing window July used).
Zergs are just getting better. Toss got too relient on 3 gate sentry expand and those 3 base mass void ray colossus build. When zerg discovered attack timings to punishes 3 gate sentry expand and now knows how to counter laser toss(morrow style or basically any infestor based play), toss is in trouble. Zerg usually had the stronger mid game with roach+hydra+ling very cost effective versus gateway. Now late game isn't that pretty and early game is dangerous it is just reversed of what zergs felt 2-3 month ago. We just need MC to figure out new timing attacks for us to threaten zergs again. It is just the game. One build get strong, people countered it. People who still try to use that build and lose then QQ imbalance. This is litterally no different from when zergs were like why can't my roach hydra corruptors beat void ray colossus based toss army.
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On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:That's an oversimplification, but roaches killing Protoss on 2 base before they can power seems to be what most people are shocked by these days (in today's case while Protoss starts to add on T3 was the timing window July used).
are you kidding me? this was spoken of back when 1.1.2 had come out, zergs were just not as efficient as they are now.
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On June 03 2011 13:04 iNcontroL wrote:Guys I used chrono as much as I could. I'm actually good about it I shouldn't have attacked up the ramp game 3 and I needed to remake sentry. I lost that game... Shoulda won
<3 !!~ You played him as closely as anyone in the league has... no shame in that!
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Made this for the epic match
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July's timing on Crevasse and Metal, where he went for a hydra heavy composition transitioning into corruptor/roach was verrrrrry cool to see. I always sort of approached that style as roach -> hydra -> corruptor, but I suppose if you're going to hit before too collosi (or range) are out, you can afford to go for hydras, you just have to be aggressive with them (which seems counter-intuitive for such a freakin slow unit.
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On June 03 2011 13:13 MMello wrote:Made this for the epic match
lol is incontrol about to eat July or just angry he actually thought he could play a macro game head to head with him?
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Whitera is pretty much guaranteed Ro16 spot too right? Since Sjow lost?
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I really liked Xeris' casting in terms of what he said. Though at times he did look incredibly nervous in front of the camera.
Though given that was your first time, MAJOR props. I hope you cast again.
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Hahah wow man, 0 liquibet wins tonight jesus
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It seems like July is a player where you really have to consider all his results to see why he's rated so high. You look at one game where he wins with a baneling bust and it doesn't look special (neither did a lot of simple 4gates though).
But for him to win so consistently and place high in so many events means either his micro and attacks are much more precise (builds exactly the right number of blings to blow up the specific building he's targetting, positions and micros his attack perfectly) than other Zerg, and/or his game sense is much better of when in a series or game to do such attacks. He doesn't always do a strong early attack either, he just flat outmacroed Incontrol in one or two of those games.
If what July does is so easy, a lot of other Zerg would do the same and there would be several others getting similar results to July, but there aren't.
It seems like his game sense of when he's started to break his enemy and switches over completely to unit production and attack ("kill switch"), no more drones or expos, is better than almost any other player. It doesn't always work out for him when he does this, but it does with a very high percentage to give him his great results.
He's like some chess player where you feel like the game is completely standard, and suddenly 4 moves later your castle is torn open and your king is running around in the middle of the board in his underwear.
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On June 03 2011 12:50 backtoback wrote:
how is QXC losing every bo3? what does he need to change in his gameplay in order to succeed?
He needs practice, hes been way too busy doing other stuff by the sound of his Twitter
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On June 03 2011 13:26 skrzmark wrote:
Whitera is pretty much guaranteed Ro16 spot too right? Since Sjow lost?
In a 3-way tie with Sjow and Darkforce.
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On June 03 2011 13:52 Taryssa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:50 backtoback wrote:
how is QXC losing every bo3? what does he need to change in his gameplay in order to succeed? He needs practice, hes been way too busy doing other stuff by the sound of his Twitter
I don't think he has been taking this tournament seriously since he lost the first few rounds when he was playing from a laggy net cafe in Spain. He has had good results recently like beating SeleCT in the final of SK gaming champions trophy thing.
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Pretty much Darkforce can't catch Whitera unless he loses... Whitera needs to win 2-0 and he's guaranteed in the 16.
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Rooting for incontrol all the way! Can't wait for finals, so glad I go to college near Ontario!!! :D
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On June 03 2011 13:07 kyarisan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:46 Wuster wrote:That's an oversimplification, but roaches killing Protoss on 2 base before they can power seems to be what most people are shocked by these days (in today's case while Protoss starts to add on T3 was the timing window July used). are you kidding me? this was spoken of back when 1.1.2 had come out, zergs were just not as efficient as they are now.
That was sort of my point (you got the quote wrong btw).
When 1.1.2 dropped mass Roach killed Protoss before they could tech up or expand.
Then the next few months they figured out a way to do it with MC winning two GSL's, Naniwa as MLG, ect and everyone started yelling Protoss OP.
Now all of a sudden, Zerg has learned a timing to kill the adjustments Protoss made to tech up / expand again.
It's just how it goes, the matchup is still evolving and will probably go back and forth like this for a while.
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well, the thing is i'm saying that there were many people who said that the roach range change from 3 to 4 completely broke the matchup because roaches were too strong, they just never got the chance to really fight gateway armies because their range was so pitiful before. most of the players in NA, europe etc are more politically correct in general so they dont voice their thoughts on imbalances if they have them, but a number of the highly ranked korean players were saying it. obviously the metagame was very underdeveloped at that time compared to now, but the fact that people were bringing it up even then should have been a sign of things to come.
but now that zergs have finally stopped dying to 4-gate, have figured out a few nice timing rushes to punish any non forge expand build that isnt done with a high level of precaution (roach ling all-in), and are finding new unit compositions/tactics (baneling drops+fungal), its becoming more prominent. there have been many "mass roach problems" threads in the past, but not by the world class players, you didn't see it in tournaments that much.
i agree that the matchup could easily sway away from mass roach being an incredible pain to deal with though. the current perspective is just that roaches are slightly weaker stalkers that cost half as much. as long as zerg production exceeds protoss production (which it does in the mid-game), they will basically be able to double the stalker ball in number, and they benefit from being aggressive and trading armies at this stage.
that said, i think protoss can do a lot off of 2-base, roaches don't ridiculously outnumber stalkers before the 14 or so minute mark to an extent that protoss can't force something to happen (they just have a hard time securing a third without cutting into the production) - whereas zerg will actually benefit in production from laying down a hatchery due to larva.
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On June 03 2011 13:04 xbankx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 12:58 Wuster wrote:On June 03 2011 12:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:It's an interesting observation, in a way. Protoss isn't helpless (definitely no imbalance or anything), but there's definitely been a growing trend of Protoss just getting rolled recently. Actually, I'd say it's more of a trend of Zerg just absolutely demolishing everyone recently. It reminds me of when the Roach got buffed to range 4 and every Zerg all of a sudden started busting Protoss fast expand. Granted that was an actually balance change that triggererd that (They also started owning Terran by shutting down early harass with that change too). But somehow, Protoss started fast expanding again and now Zerg is just busting it with mass roach / ling again. So to me, it's just another turn in the cycle. That's an oversimplification, but roaches killing Protoss on 2 base before they can power seems to be what most people are shocked by these days (in today's case while Protoss starts to add on T3 was the timing window July used). Zergs are just getting better. Toss got too relient on 3 gate sentry expand and those 3 base mass void ray colossus build. When zerg discovered attack timings to punishes 3 gate sentry expand and now knows how to counter laser toss(morrow style or basically any infestor based play), toss is in trouble. Zerg usually had the stronger mid game with roach+hydra+ling very cost effective versus gateway. Now late game isn't that pretty and early game is dangerous it is just reversed of what zergs felt 2-3 month ago. We just need MC to figure out new timing attacks for us to threaten zergs again. It is just the game. One build get strong, people countered it. People who still try to use that build and lose then QQ imbalance. This is litterally no different from when zergs were like why can't my roach hydra corruptors beat void ray colossus based toss army.
Yeah it took a while for zerg to stop saying that any attack by part of zerg before 200/200 was all in. So many zergs abused the L8 game that when toss found out mass collosi Voidray was pretty much unbeatable zergs fell down and cried op. Things now seem to bend in Zergs favor as i've seen. That is only the zerg that have discovered Roach ling timings.
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It's sad that is has to come to this point, watching amaizing zerg players having to pretty much all-in in some way or other the protoss player before they get the most broken unit in the game (colossus).
Basically the only time zerg players win is when protoss players play ridiculously greedy or plain a simply bad like in these series today, but if the protoss plays safe then zerg simply loses straigh up, because guess what happens if you don't kill a protoss player in the first 15 minutes of the game? Colossus based protoss armies roll over 200 zerg supply while losing 15-20 supply themselves, IF that.
I wonder how much longer will it take until they balance this out so I don't have to watch a Starcraft Legend like July having to all-in against a very average american Protoss player that doesn't even play full-time. Or even worst, watching IdrA losing to cruncher.
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July has always been a cheesy/all-in player, even in brood war, just happens he can also macro when he has to. Your post feels like something I would have read 2 months ago, it's just silly.
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On June 03 2011 15:19 Tacoss23 wrote:
It's sad that is has to come to this point, watching amaizing zerg players having to pretty much all-in in some way or other the protoss player before they get the most broken unit in the game (colossus).
Basically the only time zerg players win is when protoss players play ridiculously greedy or plain a simply bad like in these series today, but if the protoss plays safe then zerg simply loses straigh up, because guess what happens if you don't kill a protoss player in the first 15 minutes of the game? Colossus based protoss armies roll over 200 zerg supply while losing 15-20 supply themselves, IF that.
I wonder how much longer will it take until they balance this out so I don't have to watch a Starcraft Legend like July having to all-in against a very average american Protoss player that doesn't even play full-time. Or even worst, watching IdrA losing to cruncher.
I used to think similarly to you (and still do to an extent) but its not near as bad as you make it out to be. Most of the zerg aggression we saw today wasn't really all in. It's just timings to ensure that P isn't being too greedy while trying to tech up and probe up (and maybe get upgrades too).
Zerg has definitely figured out some of the tools they have to help deal with colossus based armies, whether it be baneling drops, infestors with neural parasite + fungaling the gateway units, heavy muta style, or roach-hydra drop harassment - most of which exploit the immobility of the army
If a protoss plays extraordinarily safe, you can scout that out and react by expanding a bit faster and droning up big time to get yourself a nice economic lead going into the mid-late game.
I also think part of the reason you see heavy early-mid game aggression from zerg is 1. because a lot of protoss players haven't gotten good at holding it off just yet (they're getting there though) and 2. just because of the way zerg functions, it works out nicely to pump out drones early while P can't really push out, save for a few particular builds, and then use the reasonable economy you have to power out units and nothing else for a bit and then pressure
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I just watched the VODs and god during the CrunCher vs qxc game could Gretorp and this other guy (clearly both Terran players) stop talking about Protoss imbalance? They were nagging on about how the Archon is so strong and this other guy (not Gretorp) started talking about how to nerf them. Kind of insane, I thought casters are supposed to be unbiased... Disappointing casting.
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On June 03 2011 19:22 dani` wrote:
I just watched the VODs and god during the CrunCher vs qxc game could Gretorp and this other guy (clearly both Terran players) stop talking about Protoss imbalance? They were nagging on about how the Archon is so strong and this other guy (not Gretorp) started talking about how to nerf them. Kind of insane, I thought casters are supposed to be unbiased... Disappointing casting.
I thought it was pretty funny..
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On June 03 2011 19:22 dani` wrote:
I just watched the VODs and god during the CrunCher vs qxc game could Gretorp and this other guy (clearly both Terran players) stop talking about Protoss imbalance? They were nagging on about how the Archon is so strong and this other guy (not Gretorp) started talking about how to nerf them. Kind of insane, I thought casters are supposed to be unbiased... Disappointing casting.
Im a protoss player
Archon imba!
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It was awesome to see iNcontroL say "gg wp and I wish you best luck in MLG and NASL" as he conceded the series.
Nothing but respect for Julyzerg.
Class act from iNcontroL.
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On June 03 2011 15:24 ALang wrote:
July has always been a cheesy/all-in player, even in brood war, just happens he can also macro when he has to. Your post feels like something I would have read 2 months ago, it's just silly.
So basically July can do everything, and you make that seem like a bad thing?
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qxc needs to get his act 2gether
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On June 03 2011 20:20 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:24 ALang wrote:
July has always been a cheesy/all-in player, even in brood war, just happens he can also macro when he has to. Your post feels like something I would have read 2 months ago, it's just silly. So basically July can do everything, and you make that seem like a bad thing?
How dare a player win games and perform all types of play?
What a bastard.
lol
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On June 03 2011 20:20 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 15:24 ALang wrote:
July has always been a cheesy/all-in player, even in brood war, just happens he can also macro when he has to. Your post feels like something I would have read 2 months ago, it's just silly. So basically July can do everything, and you make that seem like a bad thing?
REMEMBER NO ARMIES TOUCHING BEFORE 15 MINUTES OR 5 BASES!!!!!
Seriously, this attitude needs to go.
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On June 03 2011 19:22 dani` wrote:
I just watched the VODs and god during the CrunCher vs qxc game could Gretorp and this other guy (clearly both Terran players) stop talking about Protoss imbalance? They were nagging on about how the Archon is so strong and this other guy (not Gretorp) started talking about how to nerf them. Kind of insane, I thought casters are supposed to be unbiased... Disappointing casting.
LOL you realize they were being humorous right? An ability to distinguish when someone is joking and when they aren't is pretty useful.
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On June 03 2011 21:27 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 19:22 dani` wrote:
I just watched the VODs and god during the CrunCher vs qxc game could Gretorp and this other guy (clearly both Terran players) stop talking about Protoss imbalance? They were nagging on about how the Archon is so strong and this other guy (not Gretorp) started talking about how to nerf them. Kind of insane, I thought casters are supposed to be unbiased... Disappointing casting. LOL you realize they were being humorous right? An ability to distinguish when someone is joking and when they aren't is pretty useful.
"Archons are ridiculously good. They are beastly!" and right after: "Terran mech is terrible".
I was watching and I could not tell if they where sarcastic or not. I thought they could be, because they where talking ludicrous. But I could not tell for sure. Maybe I'm just too used to people whining about everything in every direction.
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Are there any recommended games today? I'm not sure I've got time to watch them all.
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More important that silly balance discussion (pfft, match ups shift over time? That can't be right!) is the Cruncher issue.
Namely, when did his play look both effective and hugely entertaining to watch. Seriously, Mass Gateway, Mass Upgrade, Mass Expand? That was AWESOME! So good to watch, especially seeing so many Archons, DTs and HTs dictating the way the match was played. Good stuff.
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On June 03 2011 23:06 nihlon wrote:
Are there any recommended games today? I'm not sure I've got time to watch them all.
Seems the julyncontrol match was great, especially game 1. The rest not so much if I refer myself to the LR.
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Btw NASL, why did you removed the racial stats from your site ? The sample was becoming relevant, this was interesting.
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On June 03 2011 23:27 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 23:06 nihlon wrote:
Are there any recommended games today? I'm not sure I've got time to watch them all. Seems the julyncontrol match was great, especially game 1. The rest not so much if I refer myself to the LR.
Thanks. That was one of the matches I was thinking of watching.
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On June 03 2011 15:24 ALang wrote:
July has always been a cheesy/all-in player, even in brood war, just happens he can also macro when he has to. Your post feels like something I would have read 2 months ago, it's just silly.
translation:
July is extremely versatile and is able to win in a variety of different situations.
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Can anyone say how or if there is a way of watching it where you aren't watching it with 5 seconds of video time per minute? Two or three weeks ago everything was usually relatively fine but in the last couple of days I could hardly ever watch. Most of the other streams usually work so I have no idea what I can do. BTW the sound doesnt stop it's just that you only see one to 3 seconds of moving pictures before it freezes for 20 seconds or so.
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They are showing the exact same match again?
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WTF is up with all these repeats?
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its a shame that whitera has 2 losses now, both walk overs.
i really wanted to see some pvz and now 2 of the best MU whitera vs july and moman are missed
whats up with the stream? is it me or is it repeating?
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On June 04 2011 02:37 Coolwhip wrote:
The record got stuck?
Well unfortuneatly...
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Xeris dood, have Gretorp give you a massage before the games, I don't think I've ever seen such a nervous caster before ^__^
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aww that sucks :/
Whats whitera playing at - hes gonna miss the playoffs at this rate !
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On June 04 2011 02:38 n0ise wrote:
Xeris dood, have Gretorp give you a massage before the games, I don't think I've ever seen such a nervous caster before ^__^
Gretorp giving me a massage would make me more nervous.
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why is the nasl site broken?
you cant see the results of any games - it tells you who won but no score?
also the standings arent updated, not even yesterdays....
i wanna see how incontrol is sitting in the group
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On June 04 2011 02:39 Lolsss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 02:38 n0ise wrote:
Xeris dood, have Gretorp give you a massage before the games, I don't think I've ever seen such a nervous caster before ^__^ Gretorp giving me a massage would make me more nervous.
You don't say.
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On June 04 2011 02:39 ThatGuy89 wrote:
why is the nasl site broken?
you cant see the results of any games - it tells you who won but no score?
also the standings arent updated, not even yesterdays....
i wanna see how incontrol is sitting in the group
this too. ive been checking the site for updates for the past few days and its not happening :/
theyre prolly being lazy at mlg or something
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On June 04 2011 02:39 ThatGuy89 wrote:
why is the nasl site broken?
you cant see the results of any games - it tells you who won but no score?
also the standings arent updated, not even yesterdays....
i wanna see how incontrol is sitting in the group
I'm not 100% sure but I think they update everything after the euro broadcast to avoid spoilers.
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Nasl is really buggy right now.... 2 repeats, slow motion vs screen for 1 min...
I dont like that
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For fucks sake. Yesterday InControl posts in the LR thread apologising for not announcing the walkout in advance - yet today they fail to do it AGAIN.
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On June 04 2011 02:41 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 02:39 ThatGuy89 wrote:
why is the nasl site broken?
you cant see the results of any games - it tells you who won but no score?
also the standings arent updated, not even yesterdays....
i wanna see how incontrol is sitting in the group I'm not 100% sure but I think they update everything after the euro broadcast to avoid spoilers.
I've seen them do it before...
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On June 04 2011 02:41 BackHo wrote:
For fucks sake. Yesterday InControl posts in the LR thread apologising for not announcing the walkout in advance - yet today they fail to do it AGAIN.
explain please?
i know they dont post until after the EU broadcast, but yesterdays results, week 8 division 1, all players are still sitting on 7 games played 6-1 5-2 4-3 and so on
if i got this right, league looks like this:
July 7-1 10 points
whitera 5-3 3 points
sjow 5-3 3 points
darkforce 5-3 1 point
cruncher 4-4 1 point
incontrol 4-4 -2 points
tt1 4-4 -2 points
moman 3-5 -1 point
ensnare 3-5 -2 point
qxc 0-8 13 points
sorry if thats wrong
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that was one of the sickest TvZ's ever. i looove mech play. sjow played excellently, but darkforce's macro is just too solid. GG :D
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That was some great play by Darkforce, he's getting better every week.
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On June 04 2011 02:52 ThatGuy89 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 02:41 BackHo wrote:
For fucks sake. Yesterday InControl posts in the LR thread apologising for not announcing the walkout in advance - yet today they fail to do it AGAIN. explain please? i know they dont post until after the EU broadcast, but yesterdays results, week 8 division 1, all players are still sitting on 7 games played 6-1 5-2 4-3 and so on if i got this right, league looks like this: July 7-1 10 points whitera 5-3 3 points sjow 5-3 3 points darkforce 5-3 1 point cruncher 4-4 1 point incontrol 4-4 -2 points tt1 4-4 -2 points moman 3-5 -1 point ensnare 3-5 -2 point qxc 0-8 13 points sorry if thats wrong
I think the first time people were complaining to NASL about this a few weeks ago, InC replied saying that he also thought adding making a short announcement about WO's before the games start was a good idea and that he will talk to the other NASL crew about it. There have been several WO's since then, but no change from NASL. Even in this thread, InC said something along the lines of "yea, we decided this was a good idea, so I don't know why there wasn't an announcement this time".
Maybe someone else in NASL doesn't quite agree with InC and the viewers and is trying to avoid making early announcements for WO's as long as possible. I suppose it is to their short-term benefit because it will make more viewers stick around the stream for longer to watch their favorites players play even when they actually didn't play due to WO's.
Or they just don't care enough about it, which is probably more likely.
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On June 04 2011 02:41 BackHo wrote:
For fucks sake. Yesterday InControl posts in the LR thread apologising for not announcing the walkout in advance - yet today they fail to do it AGAIN.
Meh, it's the NASL. Who cares about the Europeans? :p
But really, I don't think it's too big of an issue. I guess it would be nice to know, but like other people said, it gets more potential viewers for them.
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On June 04 2011 02:52 ThatGuy89 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 02:41 BackHo wrote:
For fucks sake. Yesterday InControl posts in the LR thread apologising for not announcing the walkout in advance - yet today they fail to do it AGAIN. explain please? i know they dont post until after the EU broadcast, but yesterdays results, week 8 division 1, all players are still sitting on 7 games played 6-1 5-2 4-3 and so on if i got this right, league looks like this: July 7-1 10 points whitera 5-3 3 points sjow 5-3 3 points darkforce 5-3 1 point cruncher 4-4 1 point incontrol 4-4 -2 points tt1 4-4 -2 points moman 3-5 -1 point ensnare 3-5 -2 point qxc 0-8 13 points sorry if thats wrong
I believe you don't lose points for a WO. So white-ra should still have 5 points. Not 100% sure on that. It is pretty important too.
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The OP creator should put the walkover outside the result section for futures LR threads, so at least the euros don't get screwed
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"amazing EMP's"... which we didnt see
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lol, Gretorp not knowing morphing archon balls can move
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did this caster just really say that archons are op?
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wait
WAIT
Is Xeris actually suggesting Archons are OP now?
I just lost all hope in humanity
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archons are imba man
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On June 04 2011 03:51 Xeris wrote:archons are imba man
Every unit has its merits.
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no kidding ~~
I think those changes would make them more manageable however, they're incredibly strong.
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On June 04 2011 03:51 Xeris wrote:archons are imba man
edit:
wow what a sick edit -.- nice timing attack !
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july is such a boss, finding the exact spot which incontrol didnt cover
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Does the stream keep freezing for anyone else? Sometimes the audio even continues -- so annoying
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It is working fine for me. No freezing or anything. :o
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Wow I hate when people make a big deal out of winning a game vs. a "BW" legend.
It's a different game, (one which Incontrol didnt even COMPARE to July in...)
Now Incontrol plays a safe defensive race, an an OP one to quote IdrA
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On June 04 2011 04:13 CellTech wrote:
Wow I hate when people make a big deal out of winning a game vs. a "BW" legend.
It's a different game, (one which Incontrol didnt even COMPARE to July in...)
Now Incontrol plays a safe defensive race, an an OP one to quote IdrA
What about winning a macro game vs a GSL code S runner up? Also don't bring that imba this and idra says that bullshit in here.
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On June 03 2011 22:59 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 21:27 TheSubtleArt wrote:On June 03 2011 19:22 dani` wrote:
I just watched the VODs and god during the CrunCher vs qxc game could Gretorp and this other guy (clearly both Terran players) stop talking about Protoss imbalance? They were nagging on about how the Archon is so strong and this other guy (not Gretorp) started talking about how to nerf them. Kind of insane, I thought casters are supposed to be unbiased... Disappointing casting. LOL you realize they were being humorous right? An ability to distinguish when someone is joking and when they aren't is pretty useful. "Archons are ridiculously good. They are beastly!" and right after: "Terran mech is terrible". I was watching and I could not tell if they where sarcastic or not. I thought they could be, because they where talking ludicrous. But I could not tell for sure. Maybe I'm just too used to people whining about everything in every direction.
Pure mech IS bad vs Protoss from what we know so far, and Archons ARE pretty good units. Beastly? Yea, that's when it enters "joking around, trying to be amusing for the audience" territory.
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a casting duo that takes the fun and humour out of absolutely everything.. great..
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On June 04 2011 04:20 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 04:13 CellTech wrote:
Wow I hate when people make a big deal out of winning a game vs. a "BW" legend.
It's a different game, (one which Incontrol didnt even COMPARE to July in...)
Now Incontrol plays a safe defensive race, an an OP one to quote IdrA What about winning a macro game vs a GSL code S runner up? Also don't bring that imba this and idra says that bullshit in here.
SC2 is very new and still very coinflip and volitile. Remember a few months ago a guy paid idra to play a best of 7 against him. He was a nobody never heard of again and still manage to knock2 games off of idra and almost a third.
Also mechanics i SC2 are very watered down compared to BW. Thus Julys ability nulled because people with much weaker mechanics can still compare him macro-wise.
Also to mention the obvious, lag/delay. *Raise flame-shield against foreigner fanboys*.
I agree with CellTech on this one.
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Maybe someone of the 2000 current viewers of Day 8-3 could post the results so far in this thread since there is no current. Would be appreciated.
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Strelok just spoiled the last game in his interview.... WTF?! (
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no recommended games list? anyone?
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