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Seed 14 plays vs Seed 18 right? That means i play Cloud -- who i played in the 3/4th seed match in qualifier #2 -- again?
If that's the case, then playing that 3rd/4th seed match was pretty pointless.
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On May 22 2011 04:38 Corrik wrote:
You are whining it's unfair and insinuating anyone with another opinion as having ulterior motives or damage controlling. That is when your argument turns from an opinion into bashing. You feel your argument is supreme and anyone else is an idiot for thinking otherwise.
It's an OPEN bracket qualifier... used in many leagues including GSL and MLG. (MLG does somewhat offset it with ranking points but not entirely). You are arguing against the use of OPEN brackets. Start a new thread about how you feel OPEN brackets are unfair then.
As someone who has gone to many tournaments in many different video games and sports, I tell you that sometimes you get lucky or unlucky with the bracket. However, it is simply the nature of such a bracket. It's not like they purposely put top tier players (in your eyes) against one another on purpose. It's the luck of the draw.
I think you're missing his entire fucking argument...
He's not saying they're purposely fucking over anyone, he's just saying it's better to having a seeding system to remove a large portion of luck from the equation so that one person doesn't have to go through 6 rounds of no-names while another has to face 4/6 top pros.
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Yes, but Destiny went on to beat Stalife in Ro8 and then barely lost to ViBE in the Ro4.
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In other news, DdoRo took out Minigun and some dude I've never heard of(flashback1) took out QXC.
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Hey Mordiford. Thanks for being so awesome.
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On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved.
The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle.
For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps
If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also.
All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion.
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On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved.
Im hyperbolic becuase I have raised some serious concern with this qualifier? And if you dont think Dimaga is leagues over Rootdestiny then you are deluded. We talking about the fecking guy that beat Nestea in a ZvZ match and and broke his amasing record and btw Nestea havent lost a single ZvZ since.
But according to this qualifier Destiny is better considering Dimaga the scrub coulnt even get passed round of 2
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On May 22 2011 04:43 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:38 Corrik wrote:
You are whining it's unfair and insinuating anyone with another opinion as having ulterior motives or damage controlling. That is when your argument turns from an opinion into bashing. You feel your argument is supreme and anyone else is an idiot for thinking otherwise.
It's an OPEN bracket qualifier... used in many leagues including GSL and MLG. (MLG does somewhat offset it with ranking points but not entirely). You are arguing against the use of OPEN brackets. Start a new thread about how you feel OPEN brackets are unfair then.
As someone who has gone to many tournaments in many different video games and sports, I tell you that sometimes you get lucky or unlucky with the bracket. However, it is simply the nature of such a bracket. It's not like they purposely put top tier players (in your eyes) against one another on purpose. It's the luck of the draw. I think you're missing his entire fucking argument... He's not saying they're purposely fucking over anyone, he's just saying it's better to having a seeding system to remove a large portion of luck from the equation so that one person doesn't have to go through 6 rounds of no-names while another has to face 4/6 top pros.
And, never did I say he said they purposely were doing that. I said he would have a legit reason to complain if they were doing that. I think you are struggling to understand what is being said.
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On May 22 2011 04:42 LaLuSh wrote:
Seed 14 plays vs Seed 18 right? That means i play Cloud -- who i played in the 3/4th seed match in qualifier #2 -- again?
If that's the case, then playing that 3rd/4th seed match was pretty pointless.
14 faces 19. Assuming they are setting it up such that 1 vs 32, 2 vs 31 etc. (the sum of the seeds always adds up to 33).
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On May 22 2011 04:45 Mordiford wrote:
In other news, DdoRo took out Minigun and some dude I've never heard of(flashback1) took out QXC.
actually flashback took out TLO last qualifier also:D
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On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion.
Really, you don't need some ranking points or any of the sort to make brackets more fair.
All you need is ONE competent community person to recognize the top players in the tournament and then distribute them evenly across it. This is quite important considering that IGN runs its qualifiers like 28 seperate RO32s...
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But how can that be? Flashback is some scrub and TLO and qxc are ballers? They can't lose to scrubs! Argh, I hate you IGN Pro League! Why can't you let the players I want win?!?!?
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On May 22 2011 04:48 halvorg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. Really, you don't need some ranking points or any of the sort to make brackets more fair. All you need is ONE competent community person to recognize the top players in the tournament and then distribute them evenly across. This is quite important considering that IGN runs its qualifiers like 28 seperate RO32s...
So, people who amassed amazing records but didn't want to travel to top events for whatever reason should be punished under your system?
Some of the top ladder players aren't even heard of. Doesn't mean they can't play.
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On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion.
I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage.
I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds.
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On May 22 2011 04:50 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage. I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds.
I agree they should maybe award a point for each win in a qualifier with those points carrying over to the next if they don't qualify. The person with the top points gets a top seed for the next qualifier. It won't change how loaded the brackets could be, but it would help provide a little evenness of having a top tier player in each bracket.
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On May 22 2011 04:50 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:48 halvorg wrote:On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. Really, you don't need some ranking points or any of the sort to make brackets more fair. All you need is ONE competent community person to recognize the top players in the tournament and then distribute them evenly across. This is quite important considering that IGN runs its qualifiers like 28 seperate RO32s... So, people who amassed amazing records but didn't want to travel to top events for whatever reason should be punished under your system? Some of the top ladder players aren't even heard of. Doesn't mean they can't play.
I can't tell if you are trolling or not. Nevermind.
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Woo, drewbie defeats pokebunny. On to face winner of Attero/Flashback
EDIT: And rsvp defeats Kawaiirice, despite the latter being much more well known.
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In other news, ROOTdrewbie unsurprisingly takes out VTPokebunny.
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On May 22 2011 04:52 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:50 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage. I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds. I agree they should maybe award a point for each win in a qualifier with those points carrying over to the next if they don't qualify. The person with the top points gets a top seed for the next qualifier. It won't change how loaded the brackets could be, but it would help provide a little evenness of having a top tier player in each bracket.
This is exactly what I've been saying they should do since the first qualifier. Obviously it won't solve all problems, but it is certainly better than the current system.
Although the best system is a TSL style of qualification system. I'm not sure why they didn't just copy the TSL model exactly.
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On May 22 2011 04:55 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:52 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:50 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage. I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds. I agree they should maybe award a point for each win in a qualifier with those points carrying over to the next if they don't qualify. The person with the top points gets a top seed for the next qualifier. It won't change how loaded the brackets could be, but it would help provide a little evenness of having a top tier player in each bracket. This is exactly what I've been saying they should do since the first qualifier. Obviously it won't solve all problems, but it is certainly better than the current system. Although the best system is a TSL style of qualification system. I'm not sure why they didn't just copy the TSL model exactly.
Then we agree on they could do something to expand on it. I am saying you are arguing against OPEN brackets basically, and you keep going at it. Most of us are here to discuss who is winning and enjoy in the upsets. Not to see people arguing about the viability of OPEN brackets.
The format is set. It's not changing. Let's focus on the matches.
Let's just agree to drop it and focus on the results. = )
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