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On May 22 2011 04:13 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:11 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 03:58 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 03:56 Nerdslayer wrote:
On another note we gonna have rematch in the round of 256 vs White-ra and TT1 On another note, Dimaga is out. yes there is players that have qualified that dont deserve to be there. This I don't agree with. Just because a player had an easy ride to qualify doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to qualify. He certainly isn't his fault he had an easy ride. And for all you know he would have qualified anyways. And it's not like any of the players that have qualified so far are scrubs or anything. They may not be the very best of all the players that tried to qualify, but everyone is still a top tier player.
It do and ill tell you why. A master player could only meet master players and still qualify. take RGlFuRy and ROOTDestiny as an example?? look at there bracket?..
Now take a look at socke and Dimaga both of them meet eachother of the 2nd round of the qualifier tournament. Its a close matchup both are among the top in EU. It could be an EU final actually. Are you telling me RGlFuRy and ROOTDestiny would beat these guys in a best of 5?
So yea like I stated before some players have qualified and they dont deserve to be there. Its more about luck then actually skills
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rsvp vs Kawaiirice, drewbie vs pokebunny, and Whitera vs TT1 going on right now. Sick games.
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On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive?
Dude I love the last IGN tournament and this has nothing todo with bashing if you guys cant see how this is utterly unfair for some players then I dont know what to say.
All I want to see is the best players in IGN season 2 is that to much to ask for?
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On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive?
Get this sentence out of here, be specific and be responsive, don't lump anyone with criticism together, and don't insist on positivity over constructive feedback.
Anyone who has been hyperbolic or otherwise intent on bashing has been singled out and responded to, people who come in here with overarching statements from either end deserve to be singled out. Stop being an idiot. Apart from one or two people(who have already been called out), no one is bashing IGN...
Fucking Hell... People on both ends of the goddamn spectrum.
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ROOT teamkill 
First catz/slush and now Minigun/DdoRo. Just the way things roll sometimes.
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On May 22 2011 04:27 Megiddosc wrote:ROOT teamkill First catz/slush and now Minigun/DdoRo. Just the way things roll sometimes.
Kokodasi is DDoRo? Well... Fuck.
Also, Payam just got taken out by White-ra.
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On May 22 2011 04:22 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive? Due I love the last IGN tournament and this has nothing todo with bashing if you guys cant see how this is utterly unfair for some players then I dont know what to say. All I want to see is the best players in IGN season 2 is that to much to ask for?
Gretorp is ranked 16th in MLG in Columbus despite going 1-5 last tournament and doesn't have to go through the Open bracket while players who went 8-2 or have TSL championships on their record have to. Is that fair?
GSL doesn't allow the top ranked ladder players into their tournament unless they go through and OPEN bracket qualifier to get into GSL Code A before even getting a shot into Code S. I don't see you bashing GSL for how they do qualifiers? Do I need to remind of you NADA, TESTER, TOP, and many others not making it through qualifiers due to having loaded brackets? Where is your bashing of them?
NASL let Artosis into its league with really no notable accomplishments in SC2 and left out many other big names. I don't see you bashing them?
Literally, you are bashing IGN just because they are having an OPEN tournament. An Open tournament is just that... OPEN... anyone can win and you never know what you will come up against.
It is okay to feel one bracket was easier and someone got by who wouldn't have in other brackets. But to say its unfair and the person didn't deserve the spot? That's truly a ridiculous argument. If you have a problem with the set up of an OPEN tournament, then I am sorry. However, many organizations and SC2 events use it. This is nothing new.
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On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive?
Did you even read anything most of us have said? None of us are really bashing IPL (except that one guy). In fact, we all said IPL in general is a huge success. We are just saying there is a better way to do the qualifiers (ie, with seeds) than to just do everything randomly. A lack of seeding does make it unfair. This is clear just from looking at the friggin brackets that are posted right now. Minigun is basically going to qualify without facing any pros, whereas dimaga gets eliminated by socke in the 2nd friggin round. This has nothing to do with hate or wanting to see my favourite players. This is just plainly unfair. Socke may end up facing dimaga, bischu, cruncher, and nightend in order to qualify. That is blatantly unfair compared to what minigun will face.
And yes there is a way to do seeds. I already said how it could be done. Seed players into each qualifier based on their performance in the previous qualifier. I mean it obviously won't suddenly make things completely balanced. But it will help spread out the pros a little bit.
Anyways, that point is moot anyways. Alex said they are already working on something for the next IPL and I do trust they will come up with a system that will make this a lot better. So I guess it doesn't really matter for now.
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I wont lie.
After reviewing the brackets a bit, and looking things over, I don't see any real issues with the way the brackets are set up.
To qualify, you still have to finish top 8 in one of the qualifiers. If somebody has an overly hard road in one qualifier, they have other chances to re-qualify.
Are the brackets perfect? No, of course not. But nothing in sport ever is. That's what can make it so compelling, and create dramatic storylines for the viewers.
It's EXCITING when a virtual unknown makes a wild run on a tournament (Thorzain, anybody?) or when a favourite has to slog through a brutal path. These things happen in all sports, but I'll compare it most of all to combat sports (MMA being my preferred).
Frequently in tournaments, injuries will occur, people will be unable to continue, reserve fighters will be called to step into later rounds in a tournament, favourites will be upset. Some people think this means the best fighter doesn't win. I think that it just creates interesting drama (unless my favourite loses. Fuck that, amirite?)
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me.
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On May 22 2011 04:30 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive? Did you even read anything most of us have said? None of us are really bashing IPL (except that one guy). In fact, we all said IPL in general is a huge success. We are just saying there is a better way to do the qualifiers (ie, with seeds) than to just do everything randomly. A lack of seeding does make it unfair. This is clear just from looking at the friggin brackets that are posted right now. Minigun is basically going to qualify without facing any pros, whereas dimaga gets eliminated by socke in the 2nd friggin round. This has nothing to do with hate or wanting to see my favourite players. This is just plainly unfair. Socke may end up facing dimaga, bischu, cruncher, and nightend in order to qualify. That is blatantly unfair compared to what minigun will face. And yes there is a way to do seeds. I already said how it could be done. Seed players into each qualifier based on their performance in the previous qualifier. I mean it obviously won't suddenly make things completely balanced. But it will help spread out the pros a little bit. Anyways, that point is moot anyways. Alex said they are already working on something for the next IPL and I do trust they will come up with a system that will make this a lot better. So I guess it doesn't really matter for now.
If you weren't the person bashing IGN then why even respond to this message? It was intended to the person or persons bashing IGN basically in every post in this thread. Obviously this message was not intended for everyone in this thread. Refer to my other post about loaded brackets and such. This is nothing new.
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On May 22 2011 04:28 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:22 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive? Due I love the last IGN tournament and this has nothing todo with bashing if you guys cant see how this is utterly unfair for some players then I dont know what to say. All I want to see is the best players in IGN season 2 is that to much to ask for? Gretorp is ranked 16th in MLG in Columbus despite going 1-5 last tournament and doesn't have to go through the Open bracket while players who went 8-2 or have TSL championships on their record have to. Is that fair? GSL doesn't allow the top ranked ladder players into their tournament unless they go through and OPEN bracket qualifier to get into GSL Code A before even getting a shot into Code S. I don't see you bashing GSL for how they do qualifiers? Do I need to remind of you NADA, TESTER, TOP, and many others not making it through qualifiers due to having loaded brackets? Where is your bashing of them? NASL let Artosis into its league with really no notable accomplishments in SC2 and left out many other big names. I don't see you bashing them? Literally, you are bashing IGN just because they are having an OPEN tournament. An Open tournament is just that... OPEN... anyone can win and you never know what you will come up against. It is okay to feel one bracket was easier and someone got by who wouldn't have in other brackets. But to say its unfair and the person didn't deserve the spot? That's truly a ridiculous argument. If you have a problem with the set up of an OPEN tournament, then I am sorry. However, many organizations and SC2 events use it. This is nothing new.
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How in the feck am I bashing IGN?? All im saying its not fair. I have addressed some very valid concerns and I will allmost gaurentee you most of the pro gamers proberly gonna raise the same issues.
Bashing lol? So if something is blatenly unfair and we point it out thats bashing??
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On May 22 2011 04:32 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:30 DoomsVille wrote:On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive? Did you even read anything most of us have said? None of us are really bashing IPL (except that one guy). In fact, we all said IPL in general is a huge success. We are just saying there is a better way to do the qualifiers (ie, with seeds) than to just do everything randomly. A lack of seeding does make it unfair. This is clear just from looking at the friggin brackets that are posted right now. Minigun is basically going to qualify without facing any pros, whereas dimaga gets eliminated by socke in the 2nd friggin round. This has nothing to do with hate or wanting to see my favourite players. This is just plainly unfair. Socke may end up facing dimaga, bischu, cruncher, and nightend in order to qualify. That is blatantly unfair compared to what minigun will face. And yes there is a way to do seeds. I already said how it could be done. Seed players into each qualifier based on their performance in the previous qualifier. I mean it obviously won't suddenly make things completely balanced. But it will help spread out the pros a little bit. Anyways, that point is moot anyways. Alex said they are already working on something for the next IPL and I do trust they will come up with a system that will make this a lot better. So I guess it doesn't really matter for now. If you weren't the person bashing IGN then why even respond to this message? It was intended to the person or persons bashing IGN basically in every post in this thread. Obviously this message was not intended for everyone in this thread. Refer to my other post about loaded brackets and such. This is nothing new.
Because you and your generalization and non-specific responses are an eye-sore. There was pretty much one person who was bashing IGN and three people singled him out to respond to him, you come in here with a stupid over-arching response to no one in particular and in doing so belittle everyone.
Read the thread, and be specific when there are only 1-2 people who you'd actually have to respond to instead of making a general statement and pissing everyone else off.
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On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me.
tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now.
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On May 22 2011 04:32 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:30 DoomsVille wrote:On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive? Did you even read anything most of us have said? None of us are really bashing IPL (except that one guy). In fact, we all said IPL in general is a huge success. We are just saying there is a better way to do the qualifiers (ie, with seeds) than to just do everything randomly. A lack of seeding does make it unfair. This is clear just from looking at the friggin brackets that are posted right now. Minigun is basically going to qualify without facing any pros, whereas dimaga gets eliminated by socke in the 2nd friggin round. This has nothing to do with hate or wanting to see my favourite players. This is just plainly unfair. Socke may end up facing dimaga, bischu, cruncher, and nightend in order to qualify. That is blatantly unfair compared to what minigun will face. And yes there is a way to do seeds. I already said how it could be done. Seed players into each qualifier based on their performance in the previous qualifier. I mean it obviously won't suddenly make things completely balanced. But it will help spread out the pros a little bit. Anyways, that point is moot anyways. Alex said they are already working on something for the next IPL and I do trust they will come up with a system that will make this a lot better. So I guess it doesn't really matter for now. If you weren't the person bashing IGN then why even respond to this message? It was intended to the person or persons bashing IGN basically in every post in this thread. Obviously this message was not intended for everyone in this thread. Refer to my other post about loaded brackets and such. This is nothing new.
Who gives a shit if its nothing new? That is totally irrelevant. Just because an unfair system is common doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed (or atleast made better in some way). And if you don't want me to respond to you, then be much more specific about who you are addressing.
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On anoter note the rematch White-ra vs TT1 White-ra wins. Poor TT1
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You are whining it's unfair and insinuating anyone with another opinion as having ulterior motives or damage controlling. That is when your argument turns from an opinion into bashing. You feel your argument is supreme and anyone else is an idiot for thinking otherwise.
It's an OPEN bracket qualifier... used in many leagues including GSL and MLG. (MLG does somewhat offset it with ranking points but not entirely). You are arguing against the use of OPEN brackets. Start a new thread about how you feel OPEN brackets are unfair then.
As someone who has gone to many tournaments in many different video games and sports, I tell you that sometimes you get lucky or unlucky with the bracket. However, it is simply the nature of such a bracket. It's not like they purposely put top tier players (in your eyes) against one another on purpose. It's the luck of the draw.
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Odds are the winner of Minigun/DdoRo will have to face the winner of Mystik/State for the 4th qualifying spot. All 4 of those players are from the Grandmasters League. I can't possibly see how that's considered "nobody"
Not to mention... Destiny was a mere win away from playing for the #1 seed in his qualifier. I'm pretty sure he belongs there.
EDIT: DdoRo beats Minigun 2-1
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On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now.
You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through.
I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga?
Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season.
Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved.
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On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now.
And... so?
It happens in sport. You can't have a perfectly even path for everyone. People have 3 shots at qualifying for the IPL. If they fail three times, there's plenty of other tournaments to play in. It's interesting when you get different mixes of players in tournaments. I understand your frustration, but I don't agree with it.
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On May 22 2011 04:39 Megiddosc wrote:
Odds are the winner of Minigun/DdoRo will have to face the winner of Mystik/State for the 4th qualifying spot. All 4 of those players are from the Grandmasters League. I can't possibly see how that's considered "nobody"
Not to mention... Destiny was a mere win away from playing for the #1 seed in his qualifier. I'm pretty sure he belongs there.
Minigun/ddoro/mystik/state are all top GM players.
Destiny/edge/sterling are mid/low GM/masters players.
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