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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:44 mighty_honour_korea wrote: This league seems like a mess to be frank. I'm convinced it's a bunch of clowns running it. Well that would surdenly explain alot of things | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:40 Torte de Lini wrote: This makes sense I suppose. My only complaint about non-seeding qualifiers, is that we don't get to see the pros knocking each other out. You actually still get to see pros knocking each other out of qualifiers, you just don't see it in the round of 256... Basically, by this 3rd or 4th qualifier, we'd still see pros fighting over qualifying spots, but we'd see them fighting over these spots in the round of 32 or round of 16, instead, we've seen some players get all the way up to the round of 8 beating people we've never even heard of, meanwhile we've seen top players from top teams having to fight their teammates in the first fucking round... | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
And seeding doesn't make things unfair for tournament newbies/unknowns. What is does is it ensures they actually deserve a spot in the tournament if they qualify. They shouldn't be able to coast to a qualification spot based on luck. They should have to face some high level players to get there and actually earn a spot. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:40 Torte de Lini wrote: This makes sense I suppose. My only complaint about non-seeding qualifiers, is that we don't get to see the pros knocking each other out. finally | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:42 Nerdslayer wrote: Omg, the thing is without seeds not everyone got a fair chance you get it?? Do I have to paint you picture? Sure. If that will somehow get to become less agitated. I don't know why everyone is bent on convincing me something that doesn't change much. Whether I understand or not doesn't alter this season's IPL Calm down. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:44 mighty_honour_korea wrote: This league seems like a mess to be frank. I'm convinced it's a bunch of clowns running it. Oh give it a rest with this attitude, this league is far from being a complete mess... The seeding is an issue, and a fairly big one but it's far from messing up the whole league. I feel like some undeserving players, or rather, some players who haven't really proven their worth(yet) may have coasted into the league, but none of them are complete and total no-names. I do hope IGN considers seeding the qualifiers in the future, to make sure that everyone has to face a similar number of pros to qualify, this way, no one's presence in the league can be called into question. | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:56 Nerdslayer wrote: On another note we gonna have rematch in the round of 256 vs White-ra and TT1 On another note, Dimaga is out. | ||
Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:58 Alex.IGN wrote: Did we consider seeding? Of course we did. The issue for this set of qualifiers is that since EU and SA players had to sign up with their NA account information, the seeding information would not have been accurate. This is why we have four qualifiers, to accommodate people who get tough roads to qualify. Do I think there are undeserving people in IPL 3? No. Do I think some people had easier roads? Of course, there will always be easier and harder roads in qualifiers, even if we using seeding systems. We are working on a system for IPL 3 qualifiers that will let us seed in a better fashion. Well that's good. | ||
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
I'm sure that code "B" in Korea doesn't have any seeding. It's just the top 200 facing off against eachother. There are probably some easier paths than others, but hey, if that happens then they'll lose the first code A match and be dropped from the league. If you think someone got through to IPL2 undeservedly then they probably won't make top 16 and so they won't remain in the league. | ||
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mighty_honour_korea
Scotland198 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:52 Mordiford wrote: Oh give it a rest with this attitude, this league is far from being a complete mess... S1 announcement leaked, S1 results leaked, z33k going down in the middle of a qualifier, ridiculously organised brackets, no live streams and delayed results. How exactly DOES an event qualify as a mess? | ||
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Megiddosc
United States966 Posts
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On May 22 2011 04:02 mighty_honour_korea wrote: S1 announcement leaked, S1 results leaked, z33k going down in the middle of a qualifier, ridiculously organised brackets, no live streams and delayed results. How exactly DOES an event qualify as a mess? S1 annoucement leak: who cares? z33k going down in the middle of a qualifier: How is that anyone at IGNs fault? They don't control that. No live streams: Done intentionally so that only the best games are casted and there is no downtime (which is something I prefer). Delayed results: Of course they are if they are doing it the way they are. The only real problems so far have been the fact that the S1 results were leaked and the lack of seeding. I hardly think that qualifies as a mess when you look at the grand scheme of things. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 22 2011 04:02 mighty_honour_korea wrote: S1 announcement leaked, S1 results leaked, z33k going down in the middle of a qualifier, ridiculously organised brackets, no live streams and delayed results. How exactly DOES an event qualify as a mess? The announcement of the first season behind leaked doesn't really affect me, I didn't even know it was leaked, how does the announcement of a league being started being leaked make a huge difference? The season 1 result leaks were a major issue, but they claim they've largely resolved that for future seasons. The issue with z33k was an issue with z33k(not IGN) and has since been resolved, it happened in the first qualifier and to my knowledge hasn't been an issue since. The bracket organization is questionable to me but over time it should settle itself, if you look at Code B and Code A in Korea, I don't think there is any seeding there either so it's not like this is some unprecedented fuck-up. No live streams and result delays? You mean the games being cast off replays? That's a preferential thing, I personally like the feeling of viewing live games but at the same time, I don't think it's a huge deal to have casts done from replays for an online tournament, it's not a live-in-person tournament, it doesn't really fucking matter. Also, delayed results? Are you talking about the qualifier or what? I'm not sure what this is about, the results are posted as soon as the players post them on z33k, the rest are hidden because the qualifiers are cast at a later date... What are you on about? | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
Yes he lost to Socke in the 2nd round. Nothing to be ashamed about that match could be an EU final. And lol at Alex trying todo dmg control. No matter what you say this isnt remotely fair and yes there is players that have qualified that dont deserve to be there. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
It's obviously an issue. But it certainly isn't a huge one. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On May 22 2011 04:11 Nerdslayer wrote: yes there is players that have qualified that dont deserve to be there. This I don't agree with. Just because a player had an easy ride to qualify doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to qualify. He certainly isn't his fault he had an easy ride. And for all you know he would have qualified anyways. And it's not like any of the players that have qualified so far are scrubs or anything. They may not be the very best of all the players that tried to qualify, but everyone is still a top tier player. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 22 2011 04:13 DoomsVille wrote: This I don't agree with. Just because a player had an easy ride to qualify doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to qualify. He certainly isn't his fault he had an easy ride. And for all you know he would have qualified anyways. And it's not like any of the players that have qualified so far are scrubs or anything. They may not be the very best of all the players that tried to qualify, but everyone is still a top tier player. Like I said, there are no no-names in the tournament, but it is questionable as to whether we have the best of the best in there right now. In the long run, a system like this would weed out the players from the tournament and throw them back into the qualifier where eventually they'd get an actual bracket and lose, but in the short term, it seems kind of iffy. I'm sure it'll work itself out, IGN hasn't seriously dropped the ball on anything so far (apart from maybe the season 1 result release, which I accidentally spoiled myself on). | ||
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point? Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify. How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed. If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time. The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament. Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others. There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways. So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive? | ||
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