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vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
May 21 2011 18:23 GMT
#41
I hope that Hasu and Socke will make it, but it will be very hard
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
May 21 2011 18:23 GMT
#42
On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~


?

Aint the sole purpose of a tournament to find out who is the best?? This qualifier is not about finding the best players but who got the most lucky/easy brackets.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 21 2011 18:25 GMT
#43
I thought qualifiers helped determine the best unless of course we're trying to determine the best of the particular qualifier to determine the best post-qualifying tournaments.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
May 21 2011 18:26 GMT
#44
On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~


its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are
Stork[gm]
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
May 21 2011 18:26 GMT
#45
Wow, Sjow got taken down by Canadian Masters player Masq 2-0. Gotta watch these replays.
luxx
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States140 Posts
May 21 2011 18:28 GMT
#46
If the number of people in the qualifier is big enough, there won't be any free rides.
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Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
May 21 2011 18:29 GMT
#47
On May 22 2011 03:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
I thought qualifiers helped determine the best unless of course we're trying to determine the best of the particular qualifier to determine the best post-qualifying tournaments.


It is but if you having the best players in 1 bracket knocking out eachother how is that even fair and then we got some brackets with master players and a few low ranked grand master players

Like I sayd before its nutz
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
May 21 2011 18:31 GMT
#48
*sigh
I hate losing to assholes
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 18:32:57
May 21 2011 18:32 GMT
#49
I don't understand. Isn't the qualifier meant to be used to determine the best players, is it fair that those without professional track records be considered "weaker" than professionals because they don't have any exposure or particular wins under their belt?

its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are


If pros are knocking each other out, that appears to be no different if they knocked each other out in the Semi-finals.

If pros are losing to lesser known (and not necessarily better) players, what does that tell you?

I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here.
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Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
May 21 2011 18:34 GMT
#50
On May 22 2011 03:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand. Isn't the qualifier meant to be used to determine the best players, is it fair that those without professional track records be considered "weaker" than professionals because they don't have any exposure or particular wins under their belt?

Show nested quote +
its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are


If pros are knocking each other out, that appears to be no different if they knocked each other out in the Semi-finals.

If pros are losing to lesser known (and not necessarily better) players, what does that tell you?

I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here.


Well if you cant see the problem well then I suggest you go read up about, why all sports do seeds.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 21 2011 18:35 GMT
#51
On May 22 2011 03:34 Nerdslayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 03:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand. Isn't the qualifier meant to be used to determine the best players, is it fair that those without professional track records be considered "weaker" than professionals because they don't have any exposure or particular wins under their belt?

its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are


If pros are knocking each other out, that appears to be no different if they knocked each other out in the Semi-finals.

If pros are losing to lesser known (and not necessarily better) players, what does that tell you?

I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here.


Well if you cant see the problem well then I suggest you go read up about, why all sports do seeds.


Show me, I thought I responded to all the posts.
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rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 18:36:39
May 21 2011 18:36 GMT
#52
On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~


"Exposure to new blood" means giving a chance to unknown skilled players who are capable of beating the top players in the world. It does not mean randomly picking players who might or might not be good. Seeding allows for the former. Not seeding results in a lot of the latter.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
May 21 2011 18:37 GMT
#53
On May 22 2011 03:28 luxx wrote:
If the number of people in the qualifier is big enough, there won't be any free rides.

Theorycraft is great. But there have been some free rides given out. Destiny comes to mind. He literally didn't have to face a single pro to qualify. Here is the list of his matches:

R1: Bye
R2: alps99
R3: Bosnic
R4: revkefka
R5: sterling
R6: edge or znow (results hidden so I don't know which of them advanced)

There isn't a single player on that list that I have heard of. Any of you know any of them?

And I'm not calling Destiny out or anything. He's a strong player and there is a good chance he would have qualified anyways. But c'mon. How is this not a free ride?
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
May 21 2011 18:38 GMT
#54
On May 22 2011 03:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 03:34 Nerdslayer wrote:
On May 22 2011 03:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand. Isn't the qualifier meant to be used to determine the best players, is it fair that those without professional track records be considered "weaker" than professionals because they don't have any exposure or particular wins under their belt?

its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are


If pros are knocking each other out, that appears to be no different if they knocked each other out in the Semi-finals.

If pros are losing to lesser known (and not necessarily better) players, what does that tell you?

I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here.


Well if you cant see the problem well then I suggest you go read up about, why all sports do seeds.


Show me, I thought I responded to all the posts.


Unless you are a troll or a staff from IGN trying todo dmg control I cant see why any1 would be so retarded to not think seeds is a good idea
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 18:39:37
May 21 2011 18:39 GMT
#55
On May 22 2011 03:38 Nerdslayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 03:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
On May 22 2011 03:34 Nerdslayer wrote:
On May 22 2011 03:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand. Isn't the qualifier meant to be used to determine the best players, is it fair that those without professional track records be considered "weaker" than professionals because they don't have any exposure or particular wins under their belt?

its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are


If pros are knocking each other out, that appears to be no different if they knocked each other out in the Semi-finals.

If pros are losing to lesser known (and not necessarily better) players, what does that tell you?

I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here.


Well if you cant see the problem well then I suggest you go read up about, why all sports do seeds.


Show me, I thought I responded to all the posts.


Unless you are a troll or a staff from IGN trying todo dmg control I cant see why any1 would be so retarded to not think seeds is a good idea


I don't appreciate a condescending response.

I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here.


I said I didn't mind both, not that seeding isn't a good idea. I'm posting an opinion, though you seem to think I have ulterior motives.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
May 21 2011 18:40 GMT
#56
On May 22 2011 03:37 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 03:28 luxx wrote:
If the number of people in the qualifier is big enough, there won't be any free rides.

Theorycraft is great. But there have been some free rides given out. Destiny comes to mind. He literally didn't have to face a single pro to qualify. Here is the list of his matches:

R1: Bye
R2: alps99
R3: Bosnic
R4: revkefka
R5: sterling
R6: edge or znow (results hidden so I don't know which of them advanced)

There isn't a single player on that list that I have heard of. Any of you know any of them?

And I'm not calling Destiny out or anything. He's a strong player and there is a good chance he would have qualified anyways. But c'mon. How is this not a free ride?


Yeps perfect example. I like Destiny but he simply is not in the same league as some of these other pro players that have been knockout by other pro players. Im sure we gonna see some more free ride in this qualifier also considering the state of the brackets
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
May 21 2011 18:40 GMT
#57
On May 22 2011 03:36 Anihc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~


"Exposure to new blood" means giving a chance to unknown skilled players who are capable of beating the top players in the world. It does not mean randomly picking players who might or might not be good. Seeding allows for the former. Not seeding results in a lot of the latter.


This makes sense I suppose.
My only complaint about non-seeding qualifiers, is that we don't get to see the pros knocking each other out.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
May 21 2011 18:41 GMT
#58
It didn't seem all that bad initially, and with four qualifiers, I figured it'd manage itself but after seeing how many pros are still out there fighting over a place in the league, and how many of them had tough brackets versus how many had to face no-names, it feels a little lopsided.

Just looking at some of these brackets, some players have an amazingly difficult road ahead of them while some players have basically coasted into the league.
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
May 21 2011 18:42 GMT
#59
On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~


Omg, the thing is without seeds not everyone got a fair chance you get it?? Do I have to paint you picture?
mighty_honour_korea
Profile Joined March 2010
Scotland198 Posts
May 21 2011 18:44 GMT
#60
This league seems like a mess to be frank. I'm convinced it's a bunch of clowns running it.
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