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Sign-ups are now up for IPL Qualifier #4, this is the last qualifier so make sure to sign up for one last shot! As a reminder, we are only taking the top 4 from this qualifier so bring your A game! http://www.z33k.com/starcraft2/tournaments/939-ign-pro-league-season-two-qualifier-4
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IGN Pro League Qualifier #3
Saturday, May 21 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (Check-In 60 minutes prior) and Sunday, May 22 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Updates and Information
I will be online as ROOTSunDevil.158 to answer any questions or concerns.
At the Round of 32, transition to this map pool:
TSL3 Xel'Naga Caverns Cloaked *Starter Map*
TSL3 GSL Crossfire SE
TSL3 Crevasse Cloaked
TSL3 GSL Tal'Darim Altar Cloaked
TSL3 GSL Terminus RE Cloaked
TSL3 Metalopolis Cloaked
TSL3 Shakuras Plateau Cloaked
Results
Players entering the RO 32
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Qualified Players
+ Show Spoiler +Players qualified from Qualifier #3:  vileState  mouzThorZaIN FnaticNightEnD Ranged ESCGoOdy DuckloadRa  Nerchio ROOTDrewbie
Casting
We're going to be doing casting a little different from how most people normally do qualifiers. I'll get the first talking point out of the way first - we are not streaming live qualifiers. We were trying to figure out a way to improve the qualifier viewer experience, which is normally large amounts of time of casters trying to find games, waiting for players to finish games, checking the brackets, etc. What we are trying for IPL 2 Qualifiers is that we will be allowing anyone to check out the brackets up to the round of 32, and then at that point the games will still be played, but the results and replays will be sent directly to me. Then, during the week we will have a crew of casters pick some of the best matches from the Round of 32 and on and stream for you guys! The schedule follows:
Week 3 Broadcast Dates:
May 23th - CatsPajamas IPL Mondays (RO 32) - 3 PM PDT to 6 PM PDT
May 24th - EdwardStarcraft IPL Tuesdays (RO 16) - 3 PM PDT to 6 PM PDT
May 25th - Raelcun IPL Wednesdays (RO 16) - 3 PM PDT to 6 PM PDT
May 26th - AskJoshy IPL Thursdays (RO 8/Semi-Finals/Finals) - 3 PM PDT to 6 PM PDT
Week 4 Broadcast Dates:
May 30th - CatsPajamas IPL Mondays (RO 32) - 3 PM PDT to 6 PM PDT
May 31th - EdwardStarcraft IPL Tuesdays (RO 16) - 3 PM PDT to 6 PM PDT
June 1st - Raelcun IPL Wednesdays (RO 16) - 3 PM PDT to 6 PM PDT
June 2nd - AskJoshy IPL Thursdays (RO 8/Semi-Finals/Finals) - 3 PM PDT to 6 PM PDT
We will then reveal the full RO 32 bracket on Friday and update our website and the main IPL 2 thread with those who qualified!
Thank you everyone who applied to cast the IPL 2, we got flooded with applications and I really appreciate the interest. The casters picked to cast the IPL 2 Qualifiers does not absolutely mean they will be casting the IPL 2 Main Event (aside from CatsPajamas, of course) so your applications are not out the window until we make final decisions for IPL 2!
VODs
Qualified Players:
Seed 1: EGIdrA
Seed 2: ROOTKiWiKaKi
Seed 3: dSeleCT
Seed 4: EGAxslav
Seed 5: 1st Place Qualifier #1
Seed 6: roxkisBratOK
Seed 7: 1st Place Qualifier #3
Seed 8: 1st Place Qualifier #4
Seed 9: 2nd Place Qualifier #1
Seed 10: dignitasmerz
Seed 11: 2nd Place Qualifier #3
Seed 12: 2nd Place Qualifier #4
Seed 13: 3rd Place Qualifier #1
Seed 14: Lalush
Seed 15: 3rd Place Qualifier #3
Seed 16: 3rd Place Qualifier #4
Seed 17: 4th Place Qualifier #1
Seed 18: MYMClouD
Seed 19: 4th Place Qualifier #3
Seed 20: 4th Place Qualifier #4
Seed 21: 5th Place Qualifier #1
Seed 22: sixjaxCocoA
Seed 23: 5th Place Qualifier #3
Seed 24: 6th Place Qualifier #1
Seed 25: RGlFuRy
Seed 26: 6th Place Qualifier #3
Seed 27: 7th Place Qualifier #1
Seed 28: aTnDarKFoRcE
Seed 29: 7th Place Qualifier #3
Seed 30: 8th Place Qualifier #1
Seed 31: mouzStrelok
Seed 32: 8th Place Qualifier #3
Qualified but not yet seeded:
MillDiestar
MillTarson
FnaticFenix
coLstalife
MouzMana
LiquidRet
ROOTDestiny
sixjaxVibe
Qualifier Information
Dates for IPL Season 2 Qualifiers
Qualifier #2: May 14-15 starting each day at 10:30 AM PDT / 1:30 PM EDT / 7:30 PM CEST (Top 8 advance to Main Event)
Qualifier #3: May 21-22 starting each day at 10:30 AM PDT / 1:30 PM EDT / 7:30 PM CEST (Top 8 advance to Main Event)
Qualifier #4: May 28-29 starting each day at 10:30 AM PDT / 1:30 PM EDT / 7:30 PM CEST (Top 4 advance to Main Event)
HOW DO I SIGN UP?
1) Go to http://www.z33k.com
2) Register an account
3) Click on 'Profile'
4) Click on 'Account'
5) Fill out your NORTH AMERICAN SERVER BNet Character Name, Character Code, and Race, then put in the League that you are highest ranked at (ex. you're masters on NA and grandmasters on EU, put grandmasters) and MAKE SURE TO COPY/PASTE YOUR NORTH AMERICAN BATTLE.NET PROFILE URL into the designated space
6) Either find the first qualifier tournament on the website or go to this link: http://www.z33k.com/starcraft2/tournaments/821-ign-pro-league-season-two-qualifier-3
7) Click 'Sign me up!'
8) Join the IPL group for automatic notifications of when Qualifier 4 comes online.
9) Remember to check back in one hour before start time to check in and secure your spot. If you do not check in your spot will be forfeited!
Restrictions
• Player must be in a Master or Grand Master league on the North American, South American or European ladder to participate and LIVE in one of those regions.
• All games must be played on the North American server for both the qualifier and the main event.
• Account sharing is not allowed, players must own a North American account.
• By signing up for the qualifiers, it is agreed that the player will be available on the following dates leading up to the main event of the tournament (in the event that the player is eligible):
On June 11th we will do WR 1, WR 2 and LR 1, LR 2
On June 12th we will do WR 3, WR 4 and LR 3, LR 4, LR 5
On June 18th we will do WR Finals and LR 6, LR 7
On June 19th we will do LR Finals and Grand Finals
If you will be at Dreamhack or GSL Super Tournament we will work with you to play your games early! No exceptions will be tolerated for the scheduled dates unless you have a seriously urgent issue. If a player wins a qualifying spot and fails to be present for the tournament, IGN reserves the right to find the next highest finisher from the qualifier as a replacement. The penalty for a qualifier no show is a two season ban for future IPL qualifiers.
Seeding
The top 4 finishers from IPL 1 receive seeds 1 through 4 in order of their finishes. The place awarded to the player in the qualifiers will determine the seed for the IPL 2 Main Event, descending from seed 5, in order of qualifier. For example, if a player were to finish first in the first qualifier, he will receive the overall seed of 5. If a player finished first in the second qualifier, he would receive the overall seed of 6.
Rules
All qualifier rules are located at the tournament page on Z33K - http://www.z33k.com/starcraft2/tournaments/821-ign-pro-league-season-two-qualifier-3
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Great to see this event thread up!
This is coming up soon! This is also the last qualifier with 8 spots awarded - qualifier #4 awards only 4 spots - so make sure to sign up.
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United States1050 Posts
Just as a reminder, because people ask me this every week, you can still sign up for the event after the 60 minute check-in starts tomorrow morning, up until about 5 minutes before we generate the brackets at around 10:40 AM PDT.
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Some names I've noticed in a quick review of the sign-uped player list, it's sure to be an epic qualifier, and Fletcher is right, this is the last 8 person qualifier, so if you're going to try out, this is your best remaining shot!
coLrsvp
EGiNcontroL
Grubby
PicNic
FXOmOoNan
LGAgh
FnaticNenD
VTPokebunny
ROOTslush
RaNgeD
coLCrunCher
dignitasSjoW
NamhciR
FnaticMSiKR
EGStrifeCro
mTwDIMAGA
Nadagast
vVvMurDeR
Nerchio
Hasuobs
I'm sure I missed a bunch of great people also! Looking forward to seeing how things go tomorrow!
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Thanks for keeping us updated Alex! This tournament already has over 300 players signed up. Remember this is an open qualifier and has a minimum $1600 prize pool. And you only need to make top 8 - however, the competition is pretty stiff so i wish everyone playing good luck!
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Hope WhiteRa keeps trying 
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Registration numbers for this qualifier are lower than the past two - the stars are aligning folks and I predict that this qualifier will be one of the best options to qualify.
gl hf !
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A lot of good players just signed up this morning it seems. Minigun, Thorzain, Whitera, Drewbie, Zelniq, Sockeh, and Catz among others. So there should be some awesome games.
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Am a little confused as to whether Aussies can play in this or not? I am now assuming not? I am sure it has already been addressed, but for me can someone please let me know whether they can or not, if not why not?
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Yeah well i hope we get some more toss players.. only 1 out of 16 so far, pretty disappointing.
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On May 21 2011 23:47 FXOpen wrote:
Am a little confused as to whether Aussies can play in this or not? I am now assuming not? I am sure it has already been addressed, but for me can someone please let me know whether they can or not, if not why not?
Aussies cannot because we are restricting entry to people who live in EU, NA and SA.
Check-in begins in ~10 minutes folks, but it doesn't mean you can't sign up after check-in starts!
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The chat channel for today's event is IPL Qualifier 3. Due to the amount of people, I ask that you leave the channel once you are eliminated from the event.
Thanks!
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United States1050 Posts
Check-in is now up and running, make sure you check in!
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As a reminder, your flag on z33k needs to represent the country you live in, not the country you originated from! If your flag is from a country outside of NA, SA or EU regions of the world, you will be removed from the event before it starts.
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Most of the European big shots are in this one, gonna be a tough bracket if they all show up 
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15 minutes left to check in or sign up!
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Only 215 checked in so far! Not too late to register if you haven't done so already.
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Wow alot of big players in this one. Good luck to them all!
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United States1050 Posts
We are extending the signup/checkin deadline for 5 minutes to allow latecomers to do those things. Bracket will be up around 9 minutes from now!
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As a reminder, here are the rounds we are playing today and tomorrow:
The following rounds will be played on Saturday, 05/21/2011:
Round of 256
Round of 128
Round of 64
Round of 32
The following rounds will be played on Sunday, 05/22/2011:
Round of 16
Round of 8
Round of 4
Round of 2
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e: actually, I'm wrong since the bracket is smaller than previously
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Awww, Slush vs CatZ already in 1st round
Either way, good luck to all!
Gogo ROOT!
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Seriously IGN you need to start seeding players last qualifiers we had strelok and sjow facing eachother in round 2. The best players are knocking out eachother and then we get some lesser skilled players to qualify becuase they had an easy bracket. wtf
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hey i forgot to checkin... is there anyway i can do it now? its 10 min before it starts >_<
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On May 22 2011 02:57 Nerdslayer wrote:
Seriously IGN you need to start seeding players last qualifiers we had strelok and sjow facing eachother in round 2. The best players are knocking out eachother and then we get some lesser skilled players to qualify becuase they had an easy bracket. wtf
If you just want the same players as always, there are still plenty of invite-only tournies going that you can watch.
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My picks/hopes for qualification!
1:  mouzThorzain
2:  empireNerchio
3: mtwDimaga
4:  rootminigun
5: EGStrifecro
6: rzrinsolence
7: dignitasSjow
8: DuckloadWhiteRa
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On May 22 2011 03:05 Megiddosc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 02:57 Nerdslayer wrote:
Seriously IGN you need to start seeding players last qualifiers we had strelok and sjow facing eachother in round 2. The best players are knocking out eachother and then we get some lesser skilled players to qualify becuase they had an easy bracket. wtf If you just want the same players as always, there are still plenty of invite-only tournies going that you can watch.
Umm... seeding qualifiers and having invite-only tournies are completely different
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In 1 bracket you got nerchio vs grubby in round 1 and then some masters players bascially mean whomever win this match proberly gonna goto the round of 32.
Now in another bracket you got players like imba.FXOpen.LoWeLy, bischu, mtwdimaga, sockeh, cruncher that means most of them gonna knockout eachother in round 2 and only 1 left standing in round 64.
And then in the bracket below this bracket you only got masters player and a few GM players no1 have heard about. Really?? how is that even fair.
IGN there is a reason why every sport in the world seeds. Becuase the best teams/players arnt suppose to knockout eachother early. If we took you format and put it into the world cup we would have Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, Spain in 1 bracket and have have lesser nations in another and then they would actually go further just becuase of luck.
Nutz
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On May 22 2011 03:05 Megiddosc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 02:57 Nerdslayer wrote:
Seriously IGN you need to start seeding players last qualifiers we had strelok and sjow facing eachother in round 2. The best players are knocking out eachother and then we get some lesser skilled players to qualify becuase they had an easy bracket. wtf If you just want the same players as always, there are still plenty of invite-only tournies going that you can watch.
Do you read what I write? I talk about seeds so we dont get this totally unbalanced shit we got now. look at the bloddy brackets!
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On May 22 2011 02:57 Nerdslayer wrote:
Seriously IGN you need to start seeding players last qualifiers we had strelok and sjow facing eachother in round 2. The best players are knocking out eachother and then we get some lesser skilled players to qualify becuase they had an easy bracket. wtf
Yea I'm pretty upset about it. Even in this bracket there are a couple of easy sections and we're going to see some top level pros get eliminated because of their tough bracket sections.
Notables in each section
Section 1: Hasu, Thorzain, Haypro, Bly
Section 2: Grubby, Moonan, Nerchio
Section 3: Bischu, dimaga, socke, nightend, cruncher
Section 4: Minigun
Section 5: Strifecro, Goody
Section 6: Insolence, Killer, Slog
Section 7: Catz, Slush, sjow, beastyqt, qxc, drewbie, pokebunny
Section 8: White-ra, TT1
With only 4 slots left after this qualifier, theres a good chance many of the top pros won't be present. On the bright side, atleast white-ra has a much easier bracket section this time around lol
I really don't get why there weren't any seedings though. Any explanation from IGN? I understand not having seedings for the first qualifier (what do you base it on?), but why not for the following ones? All you have to do is seed players based on how far they progressed in the previous qualifier.
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WOW...
Catz faces Slush in the first round... Sucks... :/
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Damn, wish I applied for casting D: I'm so sad!
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On May 22 2011 03:11 DoomsVille wrote:
Section 4: Minigun
Ryze beats qxc and darkforce and still gets no respect
And poor DdoRo as well
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On May 22 2011 03:11 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 02:57 Nerdslayer wrote:
Seriously IGN you need to start seeding players last qualifiers we had strelok and sjow facing eachother in round 2. The best players are knocking out eachother and then we get some lesser skilled players to qualify becuase they had an easy bracket. wtf Yea I'm pretty upset about it. Even in this bracket there are a couple of easy sections and we're going to see some top level pros get eliminated because of their tough bracket sections. Notables in each section Section 1: Hasu, Thorzain, Haypro, Bly Section 2: Grubby, Moonan, Nerchio Section 3: Bischu, dimaga, socke, nightend, cruncher Section 4: Minigun Section 5: Strifecro, Goody Section 6: Insolence, Killer, Slog Section 7: Catz, Slush, sjow, beastyqt, qxc, drewbie, pokebunny Section 8: White-ra, TT1 With only 4 slots left after this qualifier, theres a good chance many of the top pros won't be present. On the bright side, atleast white-ra has a much easier bracket section this time around lol I really don't get why there weren't any seedings though. Any explanation from IGN? I understand not having seedings for the first qualifier (what do you base it on?), but why not for the following ones? All you have to do is seed players based on how far they progressed in the previous qualifier.
Yeps its totoally nutz.
Well I hope next season they will alowe Diamond players to aplie. Becuase then im surdenly gonna do that and just hope for a very easy bracket and boom im in the IGN league then I can laugh at all the scrub pro players that coulnt make it true round of 128
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I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~
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I hope that Hasu and Socke will make it, but it will be very hard
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On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~
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Aint the sole purpose of a tournament to find out who is the best?? This qualifier is not about finding the best players but who got the most lucky/easy brackets.
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I thought qualifiers helped determine the best unless of course we're trying to determine the best of the particular qualifier to determine the best post-qualifying tournaments.
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On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~
its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are
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Wow, Sjow got taken down by Canadian Masters player Masq 2-0. Gotta watch these replays.
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If the number of people in the qualifier is big enough, there won't be any free rides.
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On May 22 2011 03:25 Torte de Lini wrote:
I thought qualifiers helped determine the best unless of course we're trying to determine the best of the particular qualifier to determine the best post-qualifying tournaments.
It is but if you having the best players in 1 bracket knocking out eachother how is that even fair and then we got some brackets with master players and a few low ranked grand master players
Like I sayd before its nutz
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*sigh
I hate losing to assholes
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I don't understand. Isn't the qualifier meant to be used to determine the best players, is it fair that those without professional track records be considered "weaker" than professionals because they don't have any exposure or particular wins under their belt?
its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are
If pros are knocking each other out, that appears to be no different if they knocked each other out in the Semi-finals.
If pros are losing to lesser known (and not necessarily better) players, what does that tell you?
I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here.
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On May 22 2011 03:32 Torte de Lini wrote:I don't understand. Isn't the qualifier meant to be used to determine the best players, is it fair that those without professional track records be considered "weaker" than professionals because they don't have any exposure or particular wins under their belt? Show nested quote +its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are If pros are knocking each other out, that appears to be no different if they knocked each other out in the Semi-finals. If pros are losing to lesser known (and not necessarily better) players, what does that tell you? I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here.
Well if you cant see the problem well then I suggest you go read up about, why all sports do seeds.
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On May 22 2011 03:34 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:32 Torte de Lini wrote:I don't understand. Isn't the qualifier meant to be used to determine the best players, is it fair that those without professional track records be considered "weaker" than professionals because they don't have any exposure or particular wins under their belt? its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are If pros are knocking each other out, that appears to be no different if they knocked each other out in the Semi-finals. If pros are losing to lesser known (and not necessarily better) players, what does that tell you? I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here. Well if you cant see the problem well then I suggest you go read up about, why all sports do seeds.
Show me, I thought I responded to all the posts.
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On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~
"Exposure to new blood" means giving a chance to unknown skilled players who are capable of beating the top players in the world. It does not mean randomly picking players who might or might not be good. Seeding allows for the former. Not seeding results in a lot of the latter.
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On May 22 2011 03:28 luxx wrote:
If the number of people in the qualifier is big enough, there won't be any free rides.
Theorycraft is great. But there have been some free rides given out. Destiny comes to mind. He literally didn't have to face a single pro to qualify. Here is the list of his matches:
R1: Bye
R2: alps99
R3: Bosnic
R4: revkefka
R5: sterling
R6: edge or znow (results hidden so I don't know which of them advanced)
There isn't a single player on that list that I have heard of. Any of you know any of them?
And I'm not calling Destiny out or anything. He's a strong player and there is a good chance he would have qualified anyways. But c'mon. How is this not a free ride?
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On May 22 2011 03:35 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 03:32 Torte de Lini wrote:I don't understand. Isn't the qualifier meant to be used to determine the best players, is it fair that those without professional track records be considered "weaker" than professionals because they don't have any exposure or particular wins under their belt? its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are If pros are knocking each other out, that appears to be no different if they knocked each other out in the Semi-finals. If pros are losing to lesser known (and not necessarily better) players, what does that tell you? I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here. Well if you cant see the problem well then I suggest you go read up about, why all sports do seeds. Show me, I thought I responded to all the posts.
Unless you are a troll or a staff from IGN trying todo dmg control I cant see why any1 would be so retarded to not think seeds is a good idea
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On May 22 2011 03:38 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:35 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 22 2011 03:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 03:32 Torte de Lini wrote:I don't understand. Isn't the qualifier meant to be used to determine the best players, is it fair that those without professional track records be considered "weaker" than professionals because they don't have any exposure or particular wins under their belt? its opposite of being fair, thats why its bad, why lesser player should advance over better player? why not let them face pros in round 1 and show how good they really are If pros are knocking each other out, that appears to be no different if they knocked each other out in the Semi-finals. If pros are losing to lesser known (and not necessarily better) players, what does that tell you? I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here. Well if you cant see the problem well then I suggest you go read up about, why all sports do seeds. Show me, I thought I responded to all the posts. Unless you are a troll or a staff from IGN trying todo dmg control I cant see why any1 would be so retarded to not think seeds is a good idea
I don't appreciate a condescending response.
I don't mind seeding, but I don't see a huge issue here.
I said I didn't mind both, not that seeding isn't a good idea. I'm posting an opinion, though you seem to think I have ulterior motives.
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On May 22 2011 03:37 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:28 luxx wrote:
If the number of people in the qualifier is big enough, there won't be any free rides. Theorycraft is great. But there have been some free rides given out. Destiny comes to mind. He literally didn't have to face a single pro to qualify. Here is the list of his matches: R1: Bye R2: alps99 R3: Bosnic R4: revkefka R5: sterling R6: edge or znow (results hidden so I don't know which of them advanced) There isn't a single player on that list that I have heard of. Any of you know any of them? And I'm not calling Destiny out or anything. He's a strong player and there is a good chance he would have qualified anyways. But c'mon. How is this not a free ride?
Yeps perfect example. I like Destiny but he simply is not in the same league as some of these other pro players that have been knockout by other pro players. Im sure we gonna see some more free ride in this qualifier also considering the state of the brackets
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On May 22 2011 03:36 Anihc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~ "Exposure to new blood" means giving a chance to unknown skilled players who are capable of beating the top players in the world. It does not mean randomly picking players who might or might not be good. Seeding allows for the former. Not seeding results in a lot of the latter.
This makes sense I suppose.
My only complaint about non-seeding qualifiers, is that we don't get to see the pros knocking each other out.
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It didn't seem all that bad initially, and with four qualifiers, I figured it'd manage itself but after seeing how many pros are still out there fighting over a place in the league, and how many of them had tough brackets versus how many had to face no-names, it feels a little lopsided.
Just looking at some of these brackets, some players have an amazingly difficult road ahead of them while some players have basically coasted into the league.
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On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~
Omg, the thing is without seeds not everyone got a fair chance you get it?? Do I have to paint you picture?
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This league seems like a mess to be frank. I'm convinced it's a bunch of clowns running it.
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On May 22 2011 03:44 mighty_honour_korea wrote:
This league seems like a mess to be frank. I'm convinced it's a bunch of clowns running it.
Well that would surdenly explain alot of things
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On May 22 2011 03:40 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:36 Anihc wrote:On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~ "Exposure to new blood" means giving a chance to unknown skilled players who are capable of beating the top players in the world. It does not mean randomly picking players who might or might not be good. Seeding allows for the former. Not seeding results in a lot of the latter. This makes sense I suppose. My only complaint about non-seeding qualifiers, is that we don't get to see the pros knocking each other out.
You actually still get to see pros knocking each other out of qualifiers, you just don't see it in the round of 256... Basically, by this 3rd or 4th qualifier, we'd still see pros fighting over qualifying spots, but we'd see them fighting over these spots in the round of 32 or round of 16, instead, we've seen some players get all the way up to the round of 8 beating people we've never even heard of, meanwhile we've seen top players from top teams having to fight their teammates in the first fucking round...
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The point of seeding is to make things fair. I don't know how that is not obvious. How is it fair that some players (destiny) can coast into a qualification spot, whereas others (like Nerchio in the first qualifier) have to face pro after pro after pro to qualify.
And seeding doesn't make things unfair for tournament newbies/unknowns. What is does is it ensures they actually deserve a spot in the tournament if they qualify. They shouldn't be able to coast to a qualification spot based on luck. They should have to face some high level players to get there and actually earn a spot.
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On May 22 2011 03:40 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:36 Anihc wrote:On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~ "Exposure to new blood" means giving a chance to unknown skilled players who are capable of beating the top players in the world. It does not mean randomly picking players who might or might not be good. Seeding allows for the former. Not seeding results in a lot of the latter. This makes sense I suppose. My only complaint about non-seeding qualifiers, is that we don't get to see the pros knocking each other out.
finally
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On May 22 2011 03:42 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
I like how they aren't seeded. Give a chance and some exposure to new blood instead of constantly giving floaters to the pros. Don't get me wrong, I love professional matches, but I also believe in giving everyone a chance, though the imbalance is obvious~ Omg, the thing is without seeds not everyone got a fair chance you get it?? Do I have to paint you picture?
Sure. If that will somehow get to become less agitated.
I don't know why everyone is bent on convincing me something that doesn't change much. Whether I understand or not doesn't alter this season's IPL
Calm down.
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On May 22 2011 03:44 mighty_honour_korea wrote:
This league seems like a mess to be frank. I'm convinced it's a bunch of clowns running it.
Oh give it a rest with this attitude, this league is far from being a complete mess...
The seeding is an issue, and a fairly big one but it's far from messing up the whole league. I feel like some undeserving players, or rather, some players who haven't really proven their worth(yet) may have coasted into the league, but none of them are complete and total no-names.
I do hope IGN considers seeding the qualifiers in the future, to make sure that everyone has to face a similar number of pros to qualify, this way, no one's presence in the league can be called into question.
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On another note we gonna have rematch in the round of 256 vs White-ra and TT1
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On May 22 2011 03:56 Nerdslayer wrote:
On another note we gonna have rematch in the round of 256 vs White-ra and TT1
On another note, Dimaga is out.
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Did we consider seeding? Of course we did. The issue for this set of qualifiers is that since EU and SA players had to sign up with their NA account information, the seeding information would not have been accurate. This is why we have four qualifiers, to accommodate people who get tough roads to qualify. Do I think there are undeserving people in IPL 2? No. Do I think some people had easier roads? Of course, there will always be easier and harder roads in qualifiers, even if we using seeding systems. We are working on a system for IPL 3 qualifiers that will let us seed in a better fashion.
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On May 22 2011 03:58 Alex.IGN wrote:
Did we consider seeding? Of course we did. The issue for this set of qualifiers is that since EU and SA players had to sign up with their NA account information, the seeding information would not have been accurate. This is why we have four qualifiers, to accommodate people who get tough roads to qualify. Do I think there are undeserving people in IPL 3? No. Do I think some people had easier roads? Of course, there will always be easier and harder roads in qualifiers, even if we using seeding systems. We are working on a system for IPL 3 qualifiers that will let us seed in a better fashion.
Well that's good.
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If you're sad that player X has not qualified so far, that just means that player X lost at some point.
I'm sure that code "B" in Korea doesn't have any seeding. It's just the top 200 facing off against eachother. There are probably some easier paths than others, but hey, if that happens then they'll lose the first code A match and be dropped from the league.
If you think someone got through to IPL2 undeservedly then they probably won't make top 16 and so they won't remain in the league.
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On May 22 2011 03:52 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:44 mighty_honour_korea wrote:
This league seems like a mess to be frank. I'm convinced it's a bunch of clowns running it. Oh give it a rest with this attitude, this league is far from being a complete mess...
S1 announcement leaked, S1 results leaked, z33k going down in the middle of a qualifier, ridiculously organised brackets, no live streams and delayed results.
How exactly DOES an event qualify as a mess?
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Considering how IPL got consistently higher viewers than NASL, despite the latter's much more well-known players and much larger prize pool and tournament... yeah, not a mess in the least 
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On May 22 2011 04:02 mighty_honour_korea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:52 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 03:44 mighty_honour_korea wrote:
This league seems like a mess to be frank. I'm convinced it's a bunch of clowns running it. Oh give it a rest with this attitude, this league is far from being a complete mess... S1 announcement leaked, S1 results leaked, z33k going down in the middle of a qualifier, ridiculously organised brackets, no live streams and delayed results. How exactly DOES an event qualify as a mess?
S1 annoucement leak: who cares?
z33k going down in the middle of a qualifier: How is that anyone at IGNs fault? They don't control that.
No live streams: Done intentionally so that only the best games are casted and there is no downtime (which is something I prefer).
Delayed results: Of course they are if they are doing it the way they are.
The only real problems so far have been the fact that the S1 results were leaked and the lack of seeding. I hardly think that qualifies as a mess when you look at the grand scheme of things.
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On May 22 2011 04:02 mighty_honour_korea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:52 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 03:44 mighty_honour_korea wrote:
This league seems like a mess to be frank. I'm convinced it's a bunch of clowns running it. Oh give it a rest with this attitude, this league is far from being a complete mess... S1 announcement leaked, S1 results leaked, z33k going down in the middle of a qualifier, ridiculously organised brackets, no live streams and delayed results. How exactly DOES an event qualify as a mess?
The announcement of the first season behind leaked doesn't really affect me, I didn't even know it was leaked, how does the announcement of a league being started being leaked make a huge difference? The season 1 result leaks were a major issue, but they claim they've largely resolved that for future seasons.
The issue with z33k was an issue with z33k(not IGN) and has since been resolved, it happened in the first qualifier and to my knowledge hasn't been an issue since. The bracket organization is questionable to me but over time it should settle itself, if you look at Code B and Code A in Korea, I don't think there is any seeding there either so it's not like this is some unprecedented fuck-up.
No live streams and result delays? You mean the games being cast off replays? That's a preferential thing, I personally like the feeling of viewing live games but at the same time, I don't think it's a huge deal to have casts done from replays for an online tournament, it's not a live-in-person tournament, it doesn't really fucking matter. Also, delayed results? Are you talking about the qualifier or what? I'm not sure what this is about, the results are posted as soon as the players post them on z33k, the rest are hidden because the qualifiers are cast at a later date... What are you on about?
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On May 22 2011 03:58 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:56 Nerdslayer wrote:
On another note we gonna have rematch in the round of 256 vs White-ra and TT1 On another note, Dimaga is out.
Yes he lost to Socke in the 2nd round. Nothing to be ashamed about that match could be an EU final.
And lol at Alex trying todo dmg control. No matter what you say this isnt remotely fair and yes there is players that have qualified that dont deserve to be there.
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And now that I think about it, even the S1 results being leaked isn't that big a deal. I mean I never looked at it when they were leaked. If you did you ruined the tournament for yourself. I still thoroughly enjoyed it and had no idea what any of the results were until they were broadcast.
It's obviously an issue. But it certainly isn't a huge one.
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On May 22 2011 04:11 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 03:58 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 03:56 Nerdslayer wrote:
On another note we gonna have rematch in the round of 256 vs White-ra and TT1 On another note, Dimaga is out. yes there is players that have qualified that dont deserve to be there.
This I don't agree with. Just because a player had an easy ride to qualify doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to qualify. He certainly isn't his fault he had an easy ride. And for all you know he would have qualified anyways. And it's not like any of the players that have qualified so far are scrubs or anything. They may not be the very best of all the players that tried to qualify, but everyone is still a top tier player.
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On May 22 2011 04:13 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:11 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 03:58 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 03:56 Nerdslayer wrote:
On another note we gonna have rematch in the round of 256 vs White-ra and TT1 On another note, Dimaga is out. yes there is players that have qualified that dont deserve to be there. This I don't agree with. Just because a player had an easy ride to qualify doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to qualify. He certainly isn't his fault he had an easy ride. And for all you know he would have qualified anyways. And it's not like any of the players that have qualified so far are scrubs or anything. They may not be the very best of all the players that tried to qualify, but everyone is still a top tier player.
Like I said, there are no no-names in the tournament, but it is questionable as to whether we have the best of the best in there right now. In the long run, a system like this would weed out the players from the tournament and throw them back into the qualifier where eventually they'd get an actual bracket and lose, but in the short term, it seems kind of iffy.
I'm sure it'll work itself out, IGN hasn't seriously dropped the ball on anything so far (apart from maybe the season 1 result release, which I accidentally spoiled myself on).
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So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive?
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On May 22 2011 04:13 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:11 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 03:58 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 03:56 Nerdslayer wrote:
On another note we gonna have rematch in the round of 256 vs White-ra and TT1 On another note, Dimaga is out. yes there is players that have qualified that dont deserve to be there. This I don't agree with. Just because a player had an easy ride to qualify doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to qualify. He certainly isn't his fault he had an easy ride. And for all you know he would have qualified anyways. And it's not like any of the players that have qualified so far are scrubs or anything. They may not be the very best of all the players that tried to qualify, but everyone is still a top tier player.
It do and ill tell you why. A master player could only meet master players and still qualify. take RGlFuRy and ROOTDestiny as an example?? look at there bracket?..
Now take a look at socke and Dimaga both of them meet eachother of the 2nd round of the qualifier tournament. Its a close matchup both are among the top in EU. It could be an EU final actually. Are you telling me RGlFuRy and ROOTDestiny would beat these guys in a best of 5?
So yea like I stated before some players have qualified and they dont deserve to be there. Its more about luck then actually skills
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rsvp vs Kawaiirice, drewbie vs pokebunny, and Whitera vs TT1 going on right now. Sick games.
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On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive?
Dude I love the last IGN tournament and this has nothing todo with bashing if you guys cant see how this is utterly unfair for some players then I dont know what to say.
All I want to see is the best players in IGN season 2 is that to much to ask for?
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On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive?
Get this sentence out of here, be specific and be responsive, don't lump anyone with criticism together, and don't insist on positivity over constructive feedback.
Anyone who has been hyperbolic or otherwise intent on bashing has been singled out and responded to, people who come in here with overarching statements from either end deserve to be singled out. Stop being an idiot. Apart from one or two people(who have already been called out), no one is bashing IGN...
Fucking Hell... People on both ends of the goddamn spectrum.
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ROOT teamkill
First catz/slush and now Minigun/DdoRo. Just the way things roll sometimes.
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On May 22 2011 04:27 Megiddosc wrote:ROOT teamkill First catz/slush and now Minigun/DdoRo. Just the way things roll sometimes.
Kokodasi is DDoRo? Well... Fuck.
Also, Payam just got taken out by White-ra.
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On May 22 2011 04:22 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive? Due I love the last IGN tournament and this has nothing todo with bashing if you guys cant see how this is utterly unfair for some players then I dont know what to say. All I want to see is the best players in IGN season 2 is that to much to ask for?
Gretorp is ranked 16th in MLG in Columbus despite going 1-5 last tournament and doesn't have to go through the Open bracket while players who went 8-2 or have TSL championships on their record have to. Is that fair?
GSL doesn't allow the top ranked ladder players into their tournament unless they go through and OPEN bracket qualifier to get into GSL Code A before even getting a shot into Code S. I don't see you bashing GSL for how they do qualifiers? Do I need to remind of you NADA, TESTER, TOP, and many others not making it through qualifiers due to having loaded brackets? Where is your bashing of them?
NASL let Artosis into its league with really no notable accomplishments in SC2 and left out many other big names. I don't see you bashing them?
Literally, you are bashing IGN just because they are having an OPEN tournament. An Open tournament is just that... OPEN... anyone can win and you never know what you will come up against.
It is okay to feel one bracket was easier and someone got by who wouldn't have in other brackets. But to say its unfair and the person didn't deserve the spot? That's truly a ridiculous argument. If you have a problem with the set up of an OPEN tournament, then I am sorry. However, many organizations and SC2 events use it. This is nothing new.
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On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive?
Did you even read anything most of us have said? None of us are really bashing IPL (except that one guy). In fact, we all said IPL in general is a huge success. We are just saying there is a better way to do the qualifiers (ie, with seeds) than to just do everything randomly. A lack of seeding does make it unfair. This is clear just from looking at the friggin brackets that are posted right now. Minigun is basically going to qualify without facing any pros, whereas dimaga gets eliminated by socke in the 2nd friggin round. This has nothing to do with hate or wanting to see my favourite players. This is just plainly unfair. Socke may end up facing dimaga, bischu, cruncher, and nightend in order to qualify. That is blatantly unfair compared to what minigun will face.
And yes there is a way to do seeds. I already said how it could be done. Seed players into each qualifier based on their performance in the previous qualifier. I mean it obviously won't suddenly make things completely balanced. But it will help spread out the pros a little bit.
Anyways, that point is moot anyways. Alex said they are already working on something for the next IPL and I do trust they will come up with a system that will make this a lot better. So I guess it doesn't really matter for now.
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I wont lie.
After reviewing the brackets a bit, and looking things over, I don't see any real issues with the way the brackets are set up.
To qualify, you still have to finish top 8 in one of the qualifiers. If somebody has an overly hard road in one qualifier, they have other chances to re-qualify.
Are the brackets perfect? No, of course not. But nothing in sport ever is. That's what can make it so compelling, and create dramatic storylines for the viewers.
It's EXCITING when a virtual unknown makes a wild run on a tournament (Thorzain, anybody?) or when a favourite has to slog through a brutal path. These things happen in all sports, but I'll compare it most of all to combat sports (MMA being my preferred).
Frequently in tournaments, injuries will occur, people will be unable to continue, reserve fighters will be called to step into later rounds in a tournament, favourites will be upset. Some people think this means the best fighter doesn't win. I think that it just creates interesting drama (unless my favourite loses. Fuck that, amirite?)
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me.
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On May 22 2011 04:30 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive? Did you even read anything most of us have said? None of us are really bashing IPL (except that one guy). In fact, we all said IPL in general is a huge success. We are just saying there is a better way to do the qualifiers (ie, with seeds) than to just do everything randomly. A lack of seeding does make it unfair. This is clear just from looking at the friggin brackets that are posted right now. Minigun is basically going to qualify without facing any pros, whereas dimaga gets eliminated by socke in the 2nd friggin round. This has nothing to do with hate or wanting to see my favourite players. This is just plainly unfair. Socke may end up facing dimaga, bischu, cruncher, and nightend in order to qualify. That is blatantly unfair compared to what minigun will face. And yes there is a way to do seeds. I already said how it could be done. Seed players into each qualifier based on their performance in the previous qualifier. I mean it obviously won't suddenly make things completely balanced. But it will help spread out the pros a little bit. Anyways, that point is moot anyways. Alex said they are already working on something for the next IPL and I do trust they will come up with a system that will make this a lot better. So I guess it doesn't really matter for now.
If you weren't the person bashing IGN then why even respond to this message? It was intended to the person or persons bashing IGN basically in every post in this thread. Obviously this message was not intended for everyone in this thread. Refer to my other post about loaded brackets and such. This is nothing new.
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On May 22 2011 04:28 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:22 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive? Due I love the last IGN tournament and this has nothing todo with bashing if you guys cant see how this is utterly unfair for some players then I dont know what to say. All I want to see is the best players in IGN season 2 is that to much to ask for? Gretorp is ranked 16th in MLG in Columbus despite going 1-5 last tournament and doesn't have to go through the Open bracket while players who went 8-2 or have TSL championships on their record have to. Is that fair? GSL doesn't allow the top ranked ladder players into their tournament unless they go through and OPEN bracket qualifier to get into GSL Code A before even getting a shot into Code S. I don't see you bashing GSL for how they do qualifiers? Do I need to remind of you NADA, TESTER, TOP, and many others not making it through qualifiers due to having loaded brackets? Where is your bashing of them? NASL let Artosis into its league with really no notable accomplishments in SC2 and left out many other big names. I don't see you bashing them? Literally, you are bashing IGN just because they are having an OPEN tournament. An Open tournament is just that... OPEN... anyone can win and you never know what you will come up against. It is okay to feel one bracket was easier and someone got by who wouldn't have in other brackets. But to say its unfair and the person didn't deserve the spot? That's truly a ridiculous argument. If you have a problem with the set up of an OPEN tournament, then I am sorry. However, many organizations and SC2 events use it. This is nothing new.
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How in the feck am I bashing IGN?? All im saying its not fair. I have addressed some very valid concerns and I will allmost gaurentee you most of the pro gamers proberly gonna raise the same issues.
Bashing lol? So if something is blatenly unfair and we point it out thats bashing??
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On May 22 2011 04:32 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:30 DoomsVille wrote:On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive? Did you even read anything most of us have said? None of us are really bashing IPL (except that one guy). In fact, we all said IPL in general is a huge success. We are just saying there is a better way to do the qualifiers (ie, with seeds) than to just do everything randomly. A lack of seeding does make it unfair. This is clear just from looking at the friggin brackets that are posted right now. Minigun is basically going to qualify without facing any pros, whereas dimaga gets eliminated by socke in the 2nd friggin round. This has nothing to do with hate or wanting to see my favourite players. This is just plainly unfair. Socke may end up facing dimaga, bischu, cruncher, and nightend in order to qualify. That is blatantly unfair compared to what minigun will face. And yes there is a way to do seeds. I already said how it could be done. Seed players into each qualifier based on their performance in the previous qualifier. I mean it obviously won't suddenly make things completely balanced. But it will help spread out the pros a little bit. Anyways, that point is moot anyways. Alex said they are already working on something for the next IPL and I do trust they will come up with a system that will make this a lot better. So I guess it doesn't really matter for now. If you weren't the person bashing IGN then why even respond to this message? It was intended to the person or persons bashing IGN basically in every post in this thread. Obviously this message was not intended for everyone in this thread. Refer to my other post about loaded brackets and such. This is nothing new.
Because you and your generalization and non-specific responses are an eye-sore. There was pretty much one person who was bashing IGN and three people singled him out to respond to him, you come in here with a stupid over-arching response to no one in particular and in doing so belittle everyone.
Read the thread, and be specific when there are only 1-2 people who you'd actually have to respond to instead of making a general statement and pissing everyone else off.
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On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me.
tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now.
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On May 22 2011 04:32 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:30 DoomsVille wrote:On May 22 2011 04:19 Corrik wrote:
So, basically, you guys just are intent on bashing IGN no matter what.
No matter what Alex says is damage control. No matter what people with other opinions say is them having ulterior motives. What is the point of even responding to your posts at this point?
Yeah, some have difficult roads. But, they are allowed to apply multiple times to qualify.
How could they fairly seed an OPEN qualifier tournament anyways? It is impossible to determine what your seed would be with using two different regions (or is it three) where the same rank may or may not correspond to your seed.
If a player not deserving gets in (you used Destiny as an example), then that person will simply lose in the first round of the actual tournament. Maybe that person will end up winning some and impress you in the mean time.
The point isn't for IGN to make the tournament have all the top names you recognize, but to give opportunity for anyone to make their way into the tournament.
Many Open tournaments are run this same way. You forget that MLG had some brackets with top heavy names on one side due to them having no current ranking points. And, people even right now are saying how easy some pools are in MLG compared to others.
There will always be whining about who had it easier or such. But, the fact remains, if you are good enough you will find a way in regardless. And, if you managed to get in without being up to par, you will be eliminated in the first round anyways.
So much complaining. Ever think to look to the positive? Did you even read anything most of us have said? None of us are really bashing IPL (except that one guy). In fact, we all said IPL in general is a huge success. We are just saying there is a better way to do the qualifiers (ie, with seeds) than to just do everything randomly. A lack of seeding does make it unfair. This is clear just from looking at the friggin brackets that are posted right now. Minigun is basically going to qualify without facing any pros, whereas dimaga gets eliminated by socke in the 2nd friggin round. This has nothing to do with hate or wanting to see my favourite players. This is just plainly unfair. Socke may end up facing dimaga, bischu, cruncher, and nightend in order to qualify. That is blatantly unfair compared to what minigun will face. And yes there is a way to do seeds. I already said how it could be done. Seed players into each qualifier based on their performance in the previous qualifier. I mean it obviously won't suddenly make things completely balanced. But it will help spread out the pros a little bit. Anyways, that point is moot anyways. Alex said they are already working on something for the next IPL and I do trust they will come up with a system that will make this a lot better. So I guess it doesn't really matter for now. If you weren't the person bashing IGN then why even respond to this message? It was intended to the person or persons bashing IGN basically in every post in this thread. Obviously this message was not intended for everyone in this thread. Refer to my other post about loaded brackets and such. This is nothing new.
Who gives a shit if its nothing new? That is totally irrelevant. Just because an unfair system is common doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed (or atleast made better in some way). And if you don't want me to respond to you, then be much more specific about who you are addressing.
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On anoter note the rematch White-ra vs TT1 White-ra wins. Poor TT1
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You are whining it's unfair and insinuating anyone with another opinion as having ulterior motives or damage controlling. That is when your argument turns from an opinion into bashing. You feel your argument is supreme and anyone else is an idiot for thinking otherwise.
It's an OPEN bracket qualifier... used in many leagues including GSL and MLG. (MLG does somewhat offset it with ranking points but not entirely). You are arguing against the use of OPEN brackets. Start a new thread about how you feel OPEN brackets are unfair then.
As someone who has gone to many tournaments in many different video games and sports, I tell you that sometimes you get lucky or unlucky with the bracket. However, it is simply the nature of such a bracket. It's not like they purposely put top tier players (in your eyes) against one another on purpose. It's the luck of the draw.
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Odds are the winner of Minigun/DdoRo will have to face the winner of Mystik/State for the 4th qualifying spot. All 4 of those players are from the Grandmasters League. I can't possibly see how that's considered "nobody"
Not to mention... Destiny was a mere win away from playing for the #1 seed in his qualifier. I'm pretty sure he belongs there.
EDIT: DdoRo beats Minigun 2-1
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On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now.
You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through.
I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga?
Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season.
Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved.
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On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now.
And... so?
It happens in sport. You can't have a perfectly even path for everyone. People have 3 shots at qualifying for the IPL. If they fail three times, there's plenty of other tournaments to play in. It's interesting when you get different mixes of players in tournaments. I understand your frustration, but I don't agree with it.
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On May 22 2011 04:39 Megiddosc wrote:
Odds are the winner of Minigun/DdoRo will have to face the winner of Mystik/State for the 4th qualifying spot. All 4 of those players are from the Grandmasters League. I can't possibly see how that's considered "nobody"
Not to mention... Destiny was a mere win away from playing for the #1 seed in his qualifier. I'm pretty sure he belongs there.
Minigun/ddoro/mystik/state are all top GM players.
Destiny/edge/sterling are mid/low GM/masters players.
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Seed 14 plays vs Seed 18 right? That means i play Cloud -- who i played in the 3/4th seed match in qualifier #2 -- again?
If that's the case, then playing that 3rd/4th seed match was pretty pointless.
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On May 22 2011 04:38 Corrik wrote:
You are whining it's unfair and insinuating anyone with another opinion as having ulterior motives or damage controlling. That is when your argument turns from an opinion into bashing. You feel your argument is supreme and anyone else is an idiot for thinking otherwise.
It's an OPEN bracket qualifier... used in many leagues including GSL and MLG. (MLG does somewhat offset it with ranking points but not entirely). You are arguing against the use of OPEN brackets. Start a new thread about how you feel OPEN brackets are unfair then.
As someone who has gone to many tournaments in many different video games and sports, I tell you that sometimes you get lucky or unlucky with the bracket. However, it is simply the nature of such a bracket. It's not like they purposely put top tier players (in your eyes) against one another on purpose. It's the luck of the draw.
I think you're missing his entire fucking argument...
He's not saying they're purposely fucking over anyone, he's just saying it's better to having a seeding system to remove a large portion of luck from the equation so that one person doesn't have to go through 6 rounds of no-names while another has to face 4/6 top pros.
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Yes, but Destiny went on to beat Stalife in Ro8 and then barely lost to ViBE in the Ro4.
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In other news, DdoRo took out Minigun and some dude I've never heard of(flashback1) took out QXC.
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Hey Mordiford. Thanks for being so awesome.
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On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved.
The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle.
For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps
If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also.
All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion.
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On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved.
Im hyperbolic becuase I have raised some serious concern with this qualifier? And if you dont think Dimaga is leagues over Rootdestiny then you are deluded. We talking about the fecking guy that beat Nestea in a ZvZ match and and broke his amasing record and btw Nestea havent lost a single ZvZ since.
But according to this qualifier Destiny is better considering Dimaga the scrub coulnt even get passed round of 2
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On May 22 2011 04:43 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:38 Corrik wrote:
You are whining it's unfair and insinuating anyone with another opinion as having ulterior motives or damage controlling. That is when your argument turns from an opinion into bashing. You feel your argument is supreme and anyone else is an idiot for thinking otherwise.
It's an OPEN bracket qualifier... used in many leagues including GSL and MLG. (MLG does somewhat offset it with ranking points but not entirely). You are arguing against the use of OPEN brackets. Start a new thread about how you feel OPEN brackets are unfair then.
As someone who has gone to many tournaments in many different video games and sports, I tell you that sometimes you get lucky or unlucky with the bracket. However, it is simply the nature of such a bracket. It's not like they purposely put top tier players (in your eyes) against one another on purpose. It's the luck of the draw. I think you're missing his entire fucking argument... He's not saying they're purposely fucking over anyone, he's just saying it's better to having a seeding system to remove a large portion of luck from the equation so that one person doesn't have to go through 6 rounds of no-names while another has to face 4/6 top pros.
And, never did I say he said they purposely were doing that. I said he would have a legit reason to complain if they were doing that. I think you are struggling to understand what is being said.
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On May 22 2011 04:42 LaLuSh wrote:
Seed 14 plays vs Seed 18 right? That means i play Cloud -- who i played in the 3/4th seed match in qualifier #2 -- again?
If that's the case, then playing that 3rd/4th seed match was pretty pointless.
14 faces 19. Assuming they are setting it up such that 1 vs 32, 2 vs 31 etc. (the sum of the seeds always adds up to 33).
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On May 22 2011 04:45 Mordiford wrote:
In other news, DdoRo took out Minigun and some dude I've never heard of(flashback1) took out QXC.
actually flashback took out TLO last qualifier also:D
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On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion.
Really, you don't need some ranking points or any of the sort to make brackets more fair.
All you need is ONE competent community person to recognize the top players in the tournament and then distribute them evenly across it. This is quite important considering that IGN runs its qualifiers like 28 seperate RO32s...
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But how can that be? Flashback is some scrub and TLO and qxc are ballers? They can't lose to scrubs! Argh, I hate you IGN Pro League! Why can't you let the players I want win?!?!?
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On May 22 2011 04:48 halvorg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. Really, you don't need some ranking points or any of the sort to make brackets more fair. All you need is ONE competent community person to recognize the top players in the tournament and then distribute them evenly across. This is quite important considering that IGN runs its qualifiers like 28 seperate RO32s...
So, people who amassed amazing records but didn't want to travel to top events for whatever reason should be punished under your system?
Some of the top ladder players aren't even heard of. Doesn't mean they can't play.
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On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion.
I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage.
I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds.
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On May 22 2011 04:50 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage. I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds.
I agree they should maybe award a point for each win in a qualifier with those points carrying over to the next if they don't qualify. The person with the top points gets a top seed for the next qualifier. It won't change how loaded the brackets could be, but it would help provide a little evenness of having a top tier player in each bracket.
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On May 22 2011 04:50 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:48 halvorg wrote:On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. Really, you don't need some ranking points or any of the sort to make brackets more fair. All you need is ONE competent community person to recognize the top players in the tournament and then distribute them evenly across. This is quite important considering that IGN runs its qualifiers like 28 seperate RO32s... So, people who amassed amazing records but didn't want to travel to top events for whatever reason should be punished under your system? Some of the top ladder players aren't even heard of. Doesn't mean they can't play.
I can't tell if you are trolling or not. Nevermind.
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Woo, drewbie defeats pokebunny. On to face winner of Attero/Flashback
EDIT: And rsvp defeats Kawaiirice, despite the latter being much more well known.
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In other news, ROOTdrewbie unsurprisingly takes out VTPokebunny.
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On May 22 2011 04:52 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:50 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage. I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds. I agree they should maybe award a point for each win in a qualifier with those points carrying over to the next if they don't qualify. The person with the top points gets a top seed for the next qualifier. It won't change how loaded the brackets could be, but it would help provide a little evenness of having a top tier player in each bracket.
This is exactly what I've been saying they should do since the first qualifier. Obviously it won't solve all problems, but it is certainly better than the current system.
Although the best system is a TSL style of qualification system. I'm not sure why they didn't just copy the TSL model exactly.
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On May 22 2011 04:55 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:52 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:50 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage. I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds. I agree they should maybe award a point for each win in a qualifier with those points carrying over to the next if they don't qualify. The person with the top points gets a top seed for the next qualifier. It won't change how loaded the brackets could be, but it would help provide a little evenness of having a top tier player in each bracket. This is exactly what I've been saying they should do since the first qualifier. Obviously it won't solve all problems, but it is certainly better than the current system. Although the best system is a TSL style of qualification system. I'm not sure why they didn't just copy the TSL model exactly.
Then we agree on they could do something to expand on it. I am saying you are arguing against OPEN brackets basically, and you keep going at it. Most of us are here to discuss who is winning and enjoy in the upsets. Not to see people arguing about the viability of OPEN brackets.
The format is set. It's not changing. Let's focus on the matches.
Let's just agree to drop it and focus on the results. = )
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On May 22 2011 04:49 Megiddosc wrote:
But how can that be? Flashback is some scrub and TLO and qxc are ballers? They can't lose to scrubs! Argh, I hate you IGN Pro League! Why can't you let the players I want win?!?!?
Flashback has very solid/beastly PvT. He is not to be underestimated
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Thorzain should plow through Spades to face Hasu. That should be a good game.
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On May 22 2011 05:01 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:49 Megiddosc wrote:
But how can that be? Flashback is some scrub and TLO and qxc are ballers? They can't lose to scrubs! Argh, I hate you IGN Pro League! Why can't you let the players I want win?!?!? Flashback has very solid/beastly PvT. He is not to be underestimated
Then I hope Attero beats him, because Drewbie has beaten Attero before, but Flashback is kind of a wildcard.
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Atm we got Inka a master player form the NA ladder going to round of 4. He is doing much better then the players like Dimaga, TT1, rootcatz, rootminigun, imba.FXOpen.LoWeLy, QXC, . Someone give this guy a pro contract he is clearly much better then Master league. I really hope he qualifies I would laugh my ass off
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Cruncher goes down to Socke.
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On May 22 2011 05:04 Nerdslayer wrote:
Atm we got Inka a master player form the NA ladder going to round of 4. He is doing much better then the players like Dimaga, TT1, rootcatz, rootminigun, imba.FXOpen.LoWeLy, QXC, . Someone give this guy a pro contract he is clearly much better then Master league. I really hope he qualifies I would laugh my ass off
He was on EG. Just a heads up.
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On May 22 2011 05:03 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 05:01 ReachTheSky wrote:On May 22 2011 04:49 Megiddosc wrote:
But how can that be? Flashback is some scrub and TLO and qxc are ballers? They can't lose to scrubs! Argh, I hate you IGN Pro League! Why can't you let the players I want win?!?!? Flashback has very solid/beastly PvT. He is not to be underestimated Then I hope Attero beats him, because Drewbie has beaten Attero before, but Flashback is kind of a wildcard.
According to Flashback's profile, he has a pretty good win percentage. Most of his losses have come to better known players (though not all).
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On May 22 2011 05:05 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 05:04 Nerdslayer wrote:
Atm we got Inka a master player form the NA ladder going to round of 4. He is doing much better then the players like Dimaga, TT1, rootcatz, rootminigun, imba.FXOpen.LoWeLy, QXC, . Someone give this guy a pro contract he is clearly much better then Master league. I really hope he qualifies I would laugh my ass off He's already on EG. Just a heads up.
Well he seems to be really good had a really tough bracket I suggest EG should give him a raise and send him to NASL and GSL, Dreamhack maybe
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On May 22 2011 05:04 Nerdslayer wrote:
Atm we got Inka a master player form the NA ladder going to round of 4. He is doing much better then the players like Dimaga, TT1, rootcatz, rootminigun, imba.FXOpen.LoWeLy, QXC, . Someone give this guy a pro contract he is clearly much better then Master league. I really hope he qualifies I would laugh my ass off
This is what I mean about you bashing. You won't drop it.
inka finished 14th in MLG national champiionships last year, has a sponsorship, and has had top results before in some other MLGs.
He isn't particularly a well known name though... has to suck being overshadowed by an OGS player named Inca. = /
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On May 22 2011 05:08 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 05:05 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 05:04 Nerdslayer wrote:
Atm we got Inka a master player form the NA ladder going to round of 4. He is doing much better then the players like Dimaga, TT1, rootcatz, rootminigun, imba.FXOpen.LoWeLy, QXC, . Someone give this guy a pro contract he is clearly much better then Master league. I really hope he qualifies I would laugh my ass off He's already on EG. Just a heads up. Well he seems to be really good had a really tough bracket I suggest EG should give him a raise and send him to NASL and GSL, Dreamhack maybe
He still has to go threw White-ra to make it, so I doubt he'll get into IPL 2.
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How are people reporting scores and stuff? is there a stream?
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There is a bracket. It's on the first page, if not the first post.
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Attero beats Flashback and will be facing Drewbie.
Drewbie has beaten Attero in the past, but is not too fond of TvP.
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On May 22 2011 05:15 Mordiford wrote:
Attero beats Flashback and will be facing Drewbie.
Drewbie has beaten Attero in the past, but is not too fond of TvP.
Where you getting your results from?
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On May 22 2011 05:09 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 05:08 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 05:05 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 05:04 Nerdslayer wrote:
Atm we got Inka a master player form the NA ladder going to round of 4. He is doing much better then the players like Dimaga, TT1, rootcatz, rootminigun, imba.FXOpen.LoWeLy, QXC, . Someone give this guy a pro contract he is clearly much better then Master league. I really hope he qualifies I would laugh my ass off He's already on EG. Just a heads up. Well he seems to be really good had a really tough bracket I suggest EG should give him a raise and send him to NASL and GSL, Dreamhack maybe He still has to go threw White-ra to make it, so I doubt he'll get into IPL 2.
Just so you know, there is a final, 4th qualifier, in which 4 people will qualify into IPL 2
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that is true i do not enjoy tvp
edit - oh shit 888 posts
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i guess qualifiers will be
hasu/thorzain
nerchio
socke/nightend
ddoro
goody
cytoplasm
delphi
White-Ra
also i hope we will see seedings for next seasons qualifier : )
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On May 22 2011 05:17 drewbie.root wrote:
that is true i do not enjoy tvp
Assume 4 gate from opponent and you should be golden! That's what I do when I play... not that I win... but the opponent always does 4 gate. Haha.
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Thorzain takes out Spades, not surprising.
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On May 22 2011 05:19 Mordiford wrote:
Thorzain takes out Spades, not surprising.
I found it surprising that Spades won a game
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Next round should start soon. I only see 2 matches to finish up.
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Pretty sure they only play to Ro32 today. Tomorrow they'll finish, but we won't know results till the day they're casted.
If it's like last week, I think it's Monday (Ro32), Tues (Ro16), Wed(Ro16), Thurs(Ro8).
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Great! Happy so many ROOT players are still alive, actually the only ones knocked out are Slush and Minigun who both were killed by other ROOT XD
Gogo DdoRo, Fayth, CatZ & drewbie!
Sad its impossible to have both CatZ and drewbie qualify this weekend though T.T
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So, would the 8 qualification spots work out like this?
Hasuobs vs Thorzain
coLrsvp vs LiquidHayprO
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Bio vs Forsen
Kilos vs Nerchio
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Bischu vs aTnSocke
FnaticNenD vs ReasoN
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tQState vs Unknown
iPStylin vs ROOTDdoRo
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EGStrifeCro vs vVvTime
GoOdy vs ROOTFayth
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Cytoplasm vs RaNgeD
Frisky vs Zago
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ROOTCatZ vs DelphiTT
DREAMAttero vs ROOTdrewbie
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DuckloadWhiteRa vs xiWarden
iNkA vs Risk
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With each group of four playing for a spot?
Some of the bracket issues are evident when you look at that... Overall, though, I don't think it's too too bad.
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On May 22 2011 05:46 SiguR wrote:So, would the 8 qualification spots work out like this? Hasuobs vs Thorzain coLrsvp vs LiquidHayprO ----------------------------------------------------- Bio vs Forsen Kilos vs Nerchio ----------------------------------------------------- Bischu vs aTnSocke FnaticNenD vs ReasoN ----------------------------------------------------- tQState vs Unknown iPStylin vs ROOTDdoRo ----------------------------------------------------- EGStrifeCro vs vVvTime GoOdy vs ROOTFayth ----------------------------------------------------- Cytoplasm vs RaNgeD Frisky vs Zago ----------------------------------------------------- ROOTCatZ vs DelphiTT DREAMAttero vs ROOTdrewbie ----------------------------------------------------- DuckloadWhiteRa vs xiWarden iNkA vs Risk ----------------------------------------------------- With each group of four playing for a spot? Some of the bracket issues are evident when you look at that... Overall, though, I don't think it's too too bad.
Correct
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Catz and Drewbie are likely going to have to fight each other for a top 8 spot...
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On May 22 2011 05:41 Alex.IGN wrote:RO 32: Hasuobs vs Thorzain coLrsvp vs LiquidHayprO Bio vs Forsen Kilos vs Nerchio Bischu vs aTnSocke FnaticNenD vs ReasoN tQState vs Unknown iPStylin vs ROOTDdoRo EGStrifeCro vs vVvTime GoOdy vs ROOTFayth Cytoplasm vs RaNgeD Frisky vs Zago ROOTCatZ vs DelphiTT DREAMAttero vs ROOTdrewbie DuckloadWhiteRa vs xiWarden iNkA vs Risk
Hasu v Thorzain is more like a final than a round of 32 lol
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wat a shit fuck fucking shit fuck fajhnsdhjbgsdjhkgkhjKDSKJGS!!!
now im starting to get scared
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On May 22 2011 06:13 TT1 wrote:
wat a shit fuck fucking shit fuck fajhnsdhjbgsdjhkgkhjKDSKJGS!!!
now im starting to get scared
White-ra is probably gonna qualify this time! Won't have to face him again lol
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On May 22 2011 06:14 ROOTFayth wrote:
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You got this Fayth!
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It's a good idea to have the NA-players meet each other, so that some will qualify! :p
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Aw... all the replays are hidden now
Why'd that happen?
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On May 22 2011 06:34 biamila wrote:Aw... all the replays are hidden now Why'd that happen?
Because we now have an in-house casting setup and we plan to make VODs!
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On May 22 2011 06:13 TT1 wrote:
wat a shit fuck fucking shit fuck fajhnsdhjbgsdjhkgkhjKDSKJGS!!!
now im starting to get scared
Hope you get in next qualifier buddy very bad luck.
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On May 22 2011 06:40 crabz wrote:
any replays ?
Click the matchup in the brackets on z33k. Usually the replays will be submitted/posted there.
EDIT: Nope. Never mind. They seem to be hidden for some reason.
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On May 22 2011 06:37 Alex.IGN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 06:34 biamila wrote:Aw... all the replays are hidden now Why'd that happen? Because we now have an in-house casting setup and we plan to make VODs!
You, my good sir, make a mighty persuasive argument.
VOD away! (But not Drewbie's games, Cats/Slush, or Thorzain's first round, please >.> )
<3
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On May 22 2011 04:59 Corrik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:55 DoomsVille wrote:On May 22 2011 04:52 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:50 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage. I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds. I agree they should maybe award a point for each win in a qualifier with those points carrying over to the next if they don't qualify. The person with the top points gets a top seed for the next qualifier. It won't change how loaded the brackets could be, but it would help provide a little evenness of having a top tier player in each bracket. This is exactly what I've been saying they should do since the first qualifier. Obviously it won't solve all problems, but it is certainly better than the current system. Although the best system is a TSL style of qualification system. I'm not sure why they didn't just copy the TSL model exactly. Then we agree on they could do something to expand on it. I am saying you are arguing against OPEN brackets basically, and you keep going at it. Most of us are here to discuss who is winning and enjoy in the upsets. Not to see people arguing about the viability of OPEN brackets. The format is set. It's not changing. Let's focus on the matches. Let's just agree to drop it and focus on the results. = )
It has much less to do with OPEN brackets and more to do with the way these OPEN brackets are set up.
Compare this to an open system where only the winner gets in (TSL). In that case, even if you get an easier bracket section, at the end of the day you still have to face some of the highest level players towards the end of the bracket. In this case (IPL that is), you only need to make the top 8. Which means you could qualify with a very easy bracket section and never ever face a very top level player.
It is a combination of this + the lack of seeding that makes IPL's qualification system much much less than ideal. They should have taken a hint from TSL and limited qualification to only the top 2 players and then have points ranking system for everyone else. Or they should have had some sort of seeding. There are plenty of ways to improve on the current system.
Anyways, that's all I have to say on this matter. Alex has already said they are working on it so I'm happy. They've delivered top quality so far so I'm sure they'll come up with a good solution. I just want people to understand why there needs to be some alterations to the qualification system.
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That first group of 4 in the Ro32 is stacked in comparison. Gogo Thorzain though!
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On May 22 2011 07:26 Dexington wrote:
That first group of 4 in the Ro32 is stacked in comparison. Gogo Thorzain though!
Well the winner of Thorzain vs Hasu will have a easy. Haypro is still in slump. He lost all games in todays WCG qualifiers.
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When did Destiny qualify?
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Its a shame more top EU didnt enter, and Hasu Thorzain and Haypro drawing each other is harsh. I think Hasu will make it.
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Thanks everyone for participating today, we start back up tomorrow at the same time, 10:30 AM PDT!
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Keep trying Grubby
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Alex when will be results of qualifier #1 posted?
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oh man, unlucky grubby had to face nerchio in the first round. Nerchio is such a beast!
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On May 22 2011 22:44 Frankon wrote:
Alex when will be results of qualifier #1 posted?
I am not sitting on these results or anything, the moment I get the results they will be posted.
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Players who are still in, we start back up in 23 minutes!
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On May 22 2011 07:29 425kid wrote:
When did Destiny qualify?
First qualifier.
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On May 22 2011 07:06 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 04:59 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:55 DoomsVille wrote:On May 22 2011 04:52 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:50 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage. I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds. I agree they should maybe award a point for each win in a qualifier with those points carrying over to the next if they don't qualify. The person with the top points gets a top seed for the next qualifier. It won't change how loaded the brackets could be, but it would help provide a little evenness of having a top tier player in each bracket. This is exactly what I've been saying they should do since the first qualifier. Obviously it won't solve all problems, but it is certainly better than the current system. Although the best system is a TSL style of qualification system. I'm not sure why they didn't just copy the TSL model exactly. Then we agree on they could do something to expand on it. I am saying you are arguing against OPEN brackets basically, and you keep going at it. Most of us are here to discuss who is winning and enjoy in the upsets. Not to see people arguing about the viability of OPEN brackets. The format is set. It's not changing. Let's focus on the matches. Let's just agree to drop it and focus on the results. = ) It has much less to do with OPEN brackets and more to do with the way these OPEN brackets are set up. Compare this to an open system where only the winner gets in (TSL). In that case, even if you get an easier bracket section, at the end of the day you still have to face some of the highest level players towards the end of the bracket. In this case (IPL that is), you only need to make the top 8. Which means you could qualify with a very easy bracket section and never ever face a very top level player. It is a combination of this + the lack of seeding that makes IPL's qualification system much much less than ideal. They should have taken a hint from TSL and limited qualification to only the top 2 players and then have points ranking system for everyone else. Or they should have had some sort of seeding. There are plenty of ways to improve on the current system. Anyways, that's all I have to say on this matter. Alex has already said they are working on it so I'm happy. They've delivered top quality so far so I'm sure they'll come up with a good solution. I just want people to understand why there needs to be some alterations to the qualification system.
Yeah, I like the idea of tournaments where only the winner gets a seed, and the rest of the qualifiers come from points rankings from the 4 combined tournaments.
On the other hand, that approach seriously favors pro-gamers that can make all four tournaments, vs regular guys that can't make 4 full weekends consecutively but are still worthy of playing in the tournament. In the end, the big, no-seed tournament like they've been doing may be best.
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question why does the obs keep scrolling in then out multiple times a game? its unnecessary
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Could you add a national flag next to the qualified players in first post/OP. It would be nice to see where the players are coming from and if only one player from, lets say, Germany qualifies the Germans would feel pride over their sole representative in the IPL.
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On May 23 2011 05:11 puzzl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 07:06 DoomsVille wrote:On May 22 2011 04:59 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:55 DoomsVille wrote:On May 22 2011 04:52 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:50 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:
All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me. tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage. I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds. I agree they should maybe award a point for each win in a qualifier with those points carrying over to the next if they don't qualify. The person with the top points gets a top seed for the next qualifier. It won't change how loaded the brackets could be, but it would help provide a little evenness of having a top tier player in each bracket. This is exactly what I've been saying they should do since the first qualifier. Obviously it won't solve all problems, but it is certainly better than the current system. Although the best system is a TSL style of qualification system. I'm not sure why they didn't just copy the TSL model exactly. Then we agree on they could do something to expand on it. I am saying you are arguing against OPEN brackets basically, and you keep going at it. Most of us are here to discuss who is winning and enjoy in the upsets. Not to see people arguing about the viability of OPEN brackets. The format is set. It's not changing. Let's focus on the matches. Let's just agree to drop it and focus on the results. = ) It has much less to do with OPEN brackets and more to do with the way these OPEN brackets are set up. Compare this to an open system where only the winner gets in (TSL). In that case, even if you get an easier bracket section, at the end of the day you still have to face some of the highest level players towards the end of the bracket. In this case (IPL that is), you only need to make the top 8. Which means you could qualify with a very easy bracket section and never ever face a very top level player. It is a combination of this + the lack of seeding that makes IPL's qualification system much much less than ideal. They should have taken a hint from TSL and limited qualification to only the top 2 players and then have points ranking system for everyone else. Or they should have had some sort of seeding. There are plenty of ways to improve on the current system. Anyways, that's all I have to say on this matter. Alex has already said they are working on it so I'm happy. They've delivered top quality so far so I'm sure they'll come up with a good solution. I just want people to understand why there needs to be some alterations to the qualification system. Yeah, I like the idea of tournaments where only the winner gets a seed, and the rest of the qualifiers come from points rankings from the 4 combined tournaments. On the other hand, that approach seriously favors pro-gamers that can make all four tournaments, vs regular guys that can't make 4 full weekends consecutively but are still worthy of playing in the tournament. In the end, the big, no-seed tournament like they've been doing may be best.
I was in probably the weakest section of the bracket and I still had to/would have had to play 2 relatively high skilled players to qualify. It's a little easier than it should be unfortunately, but it is that or the point system which highly relies on players showing up for each tournament which I like even less
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what's the deal with a third player always being the game? there is almost always one more spot below the 2 players on the production tab or whatever tab is being used. it disables the resource/supply counter blizzard implemented for 1v1 games. I find it completely annoying, especially since i have yet to witness the casters discuss supply in the few games i've stuck around to watch.
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On May 26 2011 03:07 Complete wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 05:11 puzzl wrote:On May 22 2011 07:06 DoomsVille wrote:On May 22 2011 04:59 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:55 DoomsVille wrote:On May 22 2011 04:52 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:50 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:
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tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now. You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through. I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga? Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season. Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved. The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle. For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also. All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion. I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage. I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds. I agree they should maybe award a point for each win in a qualifier with those points carrying over to the next if they don't qualify. The person with the top points gets a top seed for the next qualifier. It won't change how loaded the brackets could be, but it would help provide a little evenness of having a top tier player in each bracket. This is exactly what I've been saying they should do since the first qualifier. Obviously it won't solve all problems, but it is certainly better than the current system. Although the best system is a TSL style of qualification system. I'm not sure why they didn't just copy the TSL model exactly. Then we agree on they could do something to expand on it. I am saying you are arguing against OPEN brackets basically, and you keep going at it. Most of us are here to discuss who is winning and enjoy in the upsets. Not to see people arguing about the viability of OPEN brackets. The format is set. It's not changing. Let's focus on the matches. Let's just agree to drop it and focus on the results. = ) It has much less to do with OPEN brackets and more to do with the way these OPEN brackets are set up. Compare this to an open system where only the winner gets in (TSL). In that case, even if you get an easier bracket section, at the end of the day you still have to face some of the highest level players towards the end of the bracket. In this case (IPL that is), you only need to make the top 8. Which means you could qualify with a very easy bracket section and never ever face a very top level player. It is a combination of this + the lack of seeding that makes IPL's qualification system much much less than ideal. They should have taken a hint from TSL and limited qualification to only the top 2 players and then have points ranking system for everyone else. Or they should have had some sort of seeding. There are plenty of ways to improve on the current system. Anyways, that's all I have to say on this matter. Alex has already said they are working on it so I'm happy. They've delivered top quality so far so I'm sure they'll come up with a good solution. I just want people to understand why there needs to be some alterations to the qualification system. Yeah, I like the idea of tournaments where only the winner gets a seed, and the rest of the qualifiers come from points rankings from the 4 combined tournaments. On the other hand, that approach seriously favors pro-gamers that can make all four tournaments, vs regular guys that can't make 4 full weekends consecutively but are still worthy of playing in the tournament. In the end, the big, no-seed tournament like they've been doing may be best. I was in probably the weakest section of the bracket and I still had to/would have had to play 2 relatively high skilled players to qualify. It's a little easier than it should be unfortunately, but it is that or the point system which highly relies on players showing up for each tournament which I like even less
Point systems are a lot lower variance though, and are probably overall better for progaming. It's a lot harder for good players to consistently do well when they risk not qualifying because their brackets are stacked while other people basically auto-qualify if they're GM level.
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go whitera!
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