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Corrik

United States1416 Posts

May 21 2011 20:29 GMT

#141

Next round should start soon. I only see 2 matches to finish up.

Megiddosc

United States966 Posts

May 21 2011 20:33 GMT

#142

Pretty sure they only play to Ro32 today. Tomorrow they'll finish, but we won't know results till the day they're casted.

If it's like last week, I think it's Monday (Ro32), Tues (Ro16), Wed(Ro16), Thurs(Ro8).

Alex.IGN

United States1050 Posts

May 21 2011 20:41 GMT

#143

RO 32:

Hasuobs vs

Thorzain

coLrsvp vs

LiquidHayprO

Bio vs

Forsen

Kilos vs

Nerchio

Bischu vs

aTnSocke

FnaticNenD vs

ReasoN

tQState vs

Complete

iPStylin vs

ROOTDdoRo

EGStrifeCro vs

vVvTime

GoOdy vs

ROOTFayth

Cytoplasm vs

RaNgeD

Frisky vs

Zago

ROOTCatZ vs

DelphiTT

DREAMAttero vs

ROOTdrewbie

DuckloadWhiteRa vs

xiWarden

iNkA vs

Risk

fabulously

Norway724 Posts

May 21 2011 20:46 GMT

#144

Great! Happy so many ROOT players are still alive, actually the only ones knocked out are Slush and Minigun who both were killed by other ROOT XD

Gogo DdoRo, Fayth, CatZ & drewbie!

Sad its impossible to have both CatZ and drewbie qualify this weekend though T.T

SiguR

Canada2039 Posts

May 21 2011 20:46 GMT

#145

So, would the 8 qualification spots work out like this?

Hasuobs vs

Thorzain

coLrsvp vs

LiquidHayprO
-----------------------------------------------------

Bio vs

Forsen

Kilos vs

Nerchio
-----------------------------------------------------

Bischu vs

aTnSocke

FnaticNenD vs

ReasoN
-----------------------------------------------------

tQState vs Unknown

iPStylin vs

ROOTDdoRo
-----------------------------------------------------

EGStrifeCro vs

vVvTime

GoOdy vs

ROOTFayth
-----------------------------------------------------

Cytoplasm vs

RaNgeD

Frisky vs

Zago
-----------------------------------------------------

ROOTCatZ vs

DelphiTT

DREAMAttero vs

ROOTdrewbie
-----------------------------------------------------

DuckloadWhiteRa vs

xiWarden

iNkA vs

Risk
-----------------------------------------------------

With each group of four playing for a spot?

Some of the bracket issues are evident when you look at that... Overall, though, I don't think it's too too bad.

Alex.IGN

United States1050 Posts

May 21 2011 20:47 GMT

#146

On May 22 2011 05:46 SiguR wrote:
So, would the 8 qualification spots work out like this?

Hasuobs vs

Thorzain

coLrsvp vs

LiquidHayprO
-----------------------------------------------------

Bio vs

Forsen

Kilos vs

Nerchio
-----------------------------------------------------

Bischu vs

aTnSocke

FnaticNenD vs

ReasoN
-----------------------------------------------------

tQState vs Unknown

iPStylin vs

ROOTDdoRo
-----------------------------------------------------

EGStrifeCro vs

vVvTime

GoOdy vs

ROOTFayth
-----------------------------------------------------

Cytoplasm vs

RaNgeD

Frisky vs

Zago
-----------------------------------------------------

ROOTCatZ vs

DelphiTT

DREAMAttero vs

ROOTdrewbie
-----------------------------------------------------

DuckloadWhiteRa vs

xiWarden

iNkA vs

Correct

Mordiford

4448 Posts

May 21 2011 20:48 GMT

#147

Catz and Drewbie are likely going to have to fight each other for a top 8 spot...

SMD

Canada627 Posts

May 21 2011 21:04 GMT

#148

On May 22 2011 05:41 Alex.IGN wrote:
RO 32:

Hasuobs vs

Thorzain

coLrsvp vs

LiquidHayprO

Bio vs

Forsen

Kilos vs

Nerchio

Bischu vs

aTnSocke

FnaticNenD vs

ReasoN

tQState vs Unknown

iPStylin vs

ROOTDdoRo

EGStrifeCro vs

vVvTime

GoOdy vs

ROOTFayth

Cytoplasm vs

RaNgeD

Frisky vs

Zago

ROOTCatZ vs

DelphiTT

DREAMAttero vs

ROOTdrewbie

DuckloadWhiteRa vs

xiWarden

iNkA vs

Risk

Hasu v Thorzain is more like a final than a round of 32

lol

TT1

Canada10020 Posts

May 21 2011 21:13 GMT

#149

wat a shit fuck fucking shit fuck fajhnsdhjbgsdjhkgkhjKDSKJGS!!!
now im starting to get scared

ROOTFayth

Canada3351 Posts

May 21 2011 21:14 GMT

#150

DoomsVille

Canada4885 Posts

May 21 2011 21:19 GMT

#151

On May 22 2011 06:13 TT1 wrote:
wat a shit fuck fucking shit fuck fajhnsdhjbgsdjhkgkhjKDSKJGS!!!
now im starting to get scared

White-ra is probably gonna qualify this time! Won't have to face him again lol

Megiddosc

United States966 Posts

May 21 2011 21:25 GMT

#152

On May 22 2011 06:14 ROOTFayth wrote:
.

You got this Fayth!

m0ck

4194 Posts

May 21 2011 21:31 GMT

#153

It's a good idea to have the NA-players meet each other, so that some will qualify! :p

biamila

Canada335 Posts

May 21 2011 21:34 GMT

#154

Aw... all the replays are hidden now

Why'd that happen?

Alex.IGN

United States1050 Posts

May 21 2011 21:37 GMT

#155

On May 22 2011 06:34 biamila wrote:
Aw... all the replays are hidden now

Why'd that happen?

Because we now have an in-house casting setup and we plan to make VODs!

Nerdslayer

Denmark1130 Posts

May 21 2011 21:37 GMT

#156

On May 22 2011 06:13 TT1 wrote:
wat a shit fuck fucking shit fuck fajhnsdhjbgsdjhkgkhjKDSKJGS!!!
now im starting to get scared

Hope you get in next qualifier buddy very bad luck.

crabz

227 Posts

May 21 2011 21:40 GMT

#157

any replays ?

DoomsVille

Canada4885 Posts

May 21 2011 21:43 GMT

#158

On May 22 2011 06:40 crabz wrote:
any replays ?

Click the matchup in the brackets on z33k. Usually the replays will be submitted/posted there.

EDIT: Nope. Never mind. They seem to be hidden for some reason.

biamila

Canada335 Posts

May 21 2011 21:43 GMT

#159

On May 22 2011 06:37 Alex.IGN wrote:

Show nested quote +

Because we now have an in-house casting setup and we plan to make VODs!

You, my good sir, make a mighty persuasive argument.

VOD away! (But not Drewbie's games, Cats/Slush, or Thorzain's first round, please >.> )

<3

DoomsVille

Canada4885 Posts

May 21 2011 22:06 GMT

#160

On May 22 2011 04:59 Corrik wrote:

Show nested quote +

On May 22 2011 04:55 DoomsVille wrote:

On May 22 2011 04:52 Corrik wrote:

On May 22 2011 04:50 Mordiford wrote:

On May 22 2011 04:45 Corrik wrote:

On May 22 2011 04:40 Mordiford wrote:

On May 22 2011 04:34 Nerdslayer wrote:

On May 22 2011 04:31 biamila wrote:

All I'm saying is that to qualify, you still have to win 5 matches, against master and grandmaster competition. The odds of getting placed into a bracket where there were 32 weak competitors seems... unlikely to me.

tell that to RGlFuRy, ROOTDestiny I doubt they complained about there brackets. Anyway it seems im getting flamed by fanatic fanboys that cant see reason ill just shut up now.

You're being as hyperbolic as the person you responded to. You've had like 1-2 people call you out, and they both have a point... This system is quite widely used, and if you dislike it here, you should sort of be consistent in your dislike of it, personally I think in the long run, it would sort itself out, but in the short run it can result in some people largely lucking their way through.

I mean, who can honestly say Destiny should be in the league over Dimaga?

Even in the GSL, there are open qualifiers and there aren't any seeds to my knowledge, I think that IGN should use them however since it'd be a better short-term solution, while a general open bracket and bottom 16 drop out would only really filter out the chaff after a few seasons and even then there would be some variance in and out, from season to season.

Alex has acknowledged that there might be some issue, and he's said they're working on possible seeding for the future, problem solved.

The most able way to seed the tournament in the future would be to award ranking points for how far they went in the tournament (sort of how MLG does it). However, it would have been way unfair to do that in this season with Europe not being invited to the last season. In the future, that may be a fair way around the issue of loaded brackets. But, until the IPL has gone through a few seasons (and probably incorporated all regions), it is a tricky issue to handle.

For example, if you seed by ladder rankings they don't match up by region and a lot of top ladder players aren't actually the top tier players you would be used to seeing. Will people complain if a nobody is ranked in the top 5 or such? Perhaps

If you use prior results rankings before all regions are incorporated, is it fair to a new region being added (say SEA or KOR) to start with no possibility of points compared to regions who already had experience in the tournament for some time? I'm sure this would draw complaints also.

All in all, this is probably the best format for this tournament at this time being. There could be changes in the future to improve it down the line, but not at this point, in my opinion.

I actually don't like the MLG system at all, but I guess it could work for an online format since it's really easy to have to miss a LAN tournament that constantly moves location but it's pretty easy to keep up in attendance with an online tournament. Like you said however, they couldn't really use this format until they've capped out region availability so no one starts with a disadvantage.

I think seeding based on performance in the previous qualifier may have helped, or even using whatever non-ladder consistent set of tournament stats they have available. Just to prevent some of the silly match-ups we've seen in the first rounds versus some of the fairly easy ones we've seen in other rounds.

I agree they should maybe award a point for each win in a qualifier with those points carrying over to the next if they don't qualify. The person with the top points gets a top seed for the next qualifier. It won't change how loaded the brackets could be, but it would help provide a little evenness of having a top tier player in each bracket.

This is exactly what I've been saying they should do since the first qualifier. Obviously it won't solve all problems, but it is certainly better than the current system.

Although the best system is a TSL style of qualification system. I'm not sure why they didn't just copy the TSL model exactly.

Then we agree on they could do something to expand on it. I am saying you are arguing against OPEN brackets basically, and you keep going at it. Most of us are here to discuss who is winning and enjoy in the upsets. Not to see people arguing about the viability of OPEN brackets.

The format is set. It's not changing. Let's focus on the matches.

Let's just agree to drop it and focus on the results. = )

It has much less to do with OPEN brackets and more to do with the way these OPEN brackets are set up.

Compare this to an open system where only the winner gets in (TSL). In that case, even if you get an easier bracket section, at the end of the day you still have to face some of the highest level players towards the end of the bracket. In this case (IPL that is), you only need to make the top 8. Which means you could qualify with a very easy bracket section and never ever face a very top level player.

It is a combination of this + the lack of seeding that makes IPL's qualification system much much less than ideal. They should have taken a hint from TSL and limited qualification to only the top 2 players and then have points ranking system for everyone else. Or they should have had some sort of seeding. There are plenty of ways to improve on the current system.

Anyways, that's all I have to say on this matter. Alex has already said they are working on it so I'm happy. They've delivered top quality so far so I'm sure they'll come up with a good solution. I just want people to understand why there needs to be some alterations to the qualification system.

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