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On December 10 2011 17:29 Lavi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:22 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On December 10 2011 13:43 Tachion wrote:On December 10 2011 13:42 windsupernova wrote:On December 10 2011 13:40 Lavi wrote:On December 10 2011 13:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 13:38 jojo311 wrote:On December 10 2011 13:33 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 13:32 StarVe wrote:On December 10 2011 06:44 Mikelius wrote:
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I'm sorry, what? MVP losing to Bling?! Sup Son. MVP is quite bad vs Protoss, though Bling is pretty decent. what? you must be kidding, man. MVP is quite good vs T,P,Z all he is significantly weaker vs Protoss. I'm sorry if you can't see this Edit: such an early 1-1-1 push by MVP, dunno how i feel about this. he's weaker because the match up... not because he is bad in tvp Nah its definitively that MVP is worse against P.It has always been his weakness, just like Nestea is worse against T MVP never really adapted to the 2 forge style. His upgrades are always so late in TvP that the longer the game goes on the worse and worse it gets for him. No one has.figured it out. T v P is like the hardest matchup for all high-level Korean Terrans. Obviously maps and balance changes have and new BO/strats for Protoss have significantly changed the T v P landscape. Terran players probably need to work harder to find counters to recent protoss improvements. Jiakji's gone for thor/banshee stuff. Others have used hellions to wreck unscrupulous protosses (Some Korean T versus Huk recently?). But it seems the most viable counters so far have either been All-in (thor banshee stuff) or early game abuse (hellions v hapless stalkers). T v P is tough man. I guess it's time for Terrans to feel the pain that Tosses felt for aaaages lol all those jjakji stuff, hellions wrecking huk, etc are bandaid all in or strong timing pushes just like 1-1-1 is... very gimmicky. theres nothing to fig out since macro late game has been the same in tvp in forever, only the gimmicks change. macro terran vs macro toss - toss has advantage of stronger ball and upgrade, faster reinforcement due to warpgate so terran get one chance at max army vs max army to win outright with enough left over to kill the next remaxed army warp in, whereas toss has to win once then camp production, def in toss favour atm esp since terran form of aoe got nerfed hard (emp) You're one of the few that actually support that T v P is tough. Well done - agree with everything you've said. All these recently developed builds are not only gimmicky, but at times all in. Tough times for T v P. Hey - we're sick of GomTvT finals right? Let's hope to get some PvP finals to even it up. Then Gom will have a massive headache lol
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On December 10 2011 13:45 darkness wrote:
No respect for MVP from now. He used to say 1/1/1 was wrong, imba, whatever...
If it's just for money/winning, then don't make stupid statements you're going to contradict soon.
that's ok, he has plenty more fans than you.
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On December 10 2011 17:32 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:22 Zeroxk wrote:
What's Rotterdam doing in Korea? Commentating WC3? Is he going to apply for Code A casting? Yes, he's there for WC3. I highly doubt it he'll be leaving ESL for Gom.
I know he's entrenched in ESL, but just imagine Rotterdam instead of Moletrap...*drools*
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when will the finals for sc2 will start for EU??
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On December 10 2011 17:32 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:22 Zeroxk wrote:
What's Rotterdam doing in Korea? Commentating WC3? Is he going to apply for Code A casting? Yes, he's there for WC3. I highly doubt it he'll be leaving ESL for Gom.
Thanks!
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On December 10 2011 17:33 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:32 xtfftc wrote:On December 10 2011 17:22 Zeroxk wrote:
What's Rotterdam doing in Korea? Commentating WC3? Is he going to apply for Code A casting? Yes, he's there for WC3. I highly doubt it he'll be leaving ESL for Gom. I know he's entrenched in ESL, but just imagine Rotterdam instead of Moletrap...*drools*
He surely has more game knowledge than anyone at gom.tv. Yes anyone.
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I missed what happened today, I can't seem to find results.
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titan 2-0 supernova lol ?
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On December 10 2011 17:37 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:33 mierin wrote:On December 10 2011 17:32 xtfftc wrote:On December 10 2011 17:22 Zeroxk wrote:
What's Rotterdam doing in Korea? Commentating WC3? Is he going to apply for Code A casting? Yes, he's there for WC3. I highly doubt it he'll be leaving ESL for Gom. I know he's entrenched in ESL, but just imagine Rotterdam instead of Moletrap...*drools* He surely has more game knowledge than anyone at gom.tv. Yes anyone.
Pfft game knowledge, who cares, Rotti is sexy and entertaining. Everyone tweet Sundance now "Rotterdam MLG Providence." Er a little late for that, ah well.
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On December 10 2011 17:32 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:29 Lavi wrote:On December 10 2011 17:22 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On December 10 2011 13:43 Tachion wrote:On December 10 2011 13:42 windsupernova wrote:On December 10 2011 13:40 Lavi wrote:On December 10 2011 13:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 13:38 jojo311 wrote:On December 10 2011 13:33 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 13:32 StarVe wrote:
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Sup Son. MVP is quite bad vs Protoss, though Bling is pretty decent. what? you must be kidding, man. MVP is quite good vs T,P,Z all he is significantly weaker vs Protoss. I'm sorry if you can't see this Edit: such an early 1-1-1 push by MVP, dunno how i feel about this. he's weaker because the match up... not because he is bad in tvp Nah its definitively that MVP is worse against P.It has always been his weakness, just like Nestea is worse against T MVP never really adapted to the 2 forge style. His upgrades are always so late in TvP that the longer the game goes on the worse and worse it gets for him. No one has.figured it out. T v P is like the hardest matchup for all high-level Korean Terrans. Obviously maps and balance changes have and new BO/strats for Protoss have significantly changed the T v P landscape. Terran players probably need to work harder to find counters to recent protoss improvements. Jiakji's gone for thor/banshee stuff. Others have used hellions to wreck unscrupulous protosses (Some Korean T versus Huk recently?). But it seems the most viable counters so far have either been All-in (thor banshee stuff) or early game abuse (hellions v hapless stalkers). T v P is tough man. I guess it's time for Terrans to feel the pain that Tosses felt for aaaages lol all those jjakji stuff, hellions wrecking huk, etc are bandaid all in or strong timing pushes just like 1-1-1 is... very gimmicky. theres nothing to fig out since macro late game has been the same in tvp in forever, only the gimmicks change. macro terran vs macro toss - toss has advantage of stronger ball and upgrade, faster reinforcement due to warpgate so terran get one chance at max army vs max army to win outright with enough left over to kill the next remaxed army warp in, whereas toss has to win once then camp production, def in toss favour atm esp since terran form of aoe got nerfed hard (emp) You're one of the few that actually support that T v P is tough. Well done - agree with everything you've said. All these recently developed builds are not only gimmicky, but at times all in. Tough times for T v P. Hey - we're sick of GomTvT finals right? Let's hope to get some PvP finals to even it up. Then Gom will have a massive headache lol
Indeed mvp having to resort to finding new abusive timings, or all ins like 1-1-1... is really painful to see to me. Of course a player of his calibur if he had confidence in a straight macro game with toss he would go with that instead of putting his tournament life on a gimmicky all in - signs of desperation shown. He does it because macro game vs toss is hard from terran perspective ^-^
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On December 10 2011 17:38 JohnMatrix wrote:
titan 2-0 supernova lol ?
Why are you surprised ?
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On December 10 2011 17:38 ryland05 wrote:
I missed what happened today, I can't seem to find results.
WCG 2011 SC2 Main Tournament
But honestly you should be able to find anything you need to know about SC on Liquipedia yourself so work on that.
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Anyone know where one could find VODs of MVP vs Bling? Pretty please? 
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Gotta love the nvidia ad with terrible framerate.
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On December 10 2011 17:41 rareh wrote:Why are you surprised ?
I Should not ?
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On December 10 2011 17:32 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:29 Lavi wrote:On December 10 2011 17:22 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On December 10 2011 13:43 Tachion wrote:On December 10 2011 13:42 windsupernova wrote:On December 10 2011 13:40 Lavi wrote:On December 10 2011 13:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 13:38 jojo311 wrote:On December 10 2011 13:33 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 13:32 StarVe wrote:
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Sup Son. MVP is quite bad vs Protoss, though Bling is pretty decent. what? you must be kidding, man. MVP is quite good vs T,P,Z all he is significantly weaker vs Protoss. I'm sorry if you can't see this Edit: such an early 1-1-1 push by MVP, dunno how i feel about this. he's weaker because the match up... not because he is bad in tvp Nah its definitively that MVP is worse against P.It has always been his weakness, just like Nestea is worse against T MVP never really adapted to the 2 forge style. His upgrades are always so late in TvP that the longer the game goes on the worse and worse it gets for him. No one has.figured it out. T v P is like the hardest matchup for all high-level Korean Terrans. Obviously maps and balance changes have and new BO/strats for Protoss have significantly changed the T v P landscape. Terran players probably need to work harder to find counters to recent protoss improvements. Jiakji's gone for thor/banshee stuff. Others have used hellions to wreck unscrupulous protosses (Some Korean T versus Huk recently?). But it seems the most viable counters so far have either been All-in (thor banshee stuff) or early game abuse (hellions v hapless stalkers). T v P is tough man. I guess it's time for Terrans to feel the pain that Tosses felt for aaaages lol all those jjakji stuff, hellions wrecking huk, etc are bandaid all in or strong timing pushes just like 1-1-1 is... very gimmicky. theres nothing to fig out since macro late game has been the same in tvp in forever, only the gimmicks change. macro terran vs macro toss - toss has advantage of stronger ball and upgrade, faster reinforcement due to warpgate so terran get one chance at max army vs max army to win outright with enough left over to kill the next remaxed army warp in, whereas toss has to win once then camp production, def in toss favour atm esp since terran form of aoe got nerfed hard (emp) You're one of the few that actually support that T v P is tough. Well done - agree with everything you've said. All these recently developed builds are not only gimmicky, but at times all in. Tough times for T v P. Hey - we're sick of GomTvT finals right? Let's hope to get some PvP finals to even it up. Then Gom will have a massive headache lol
I think most terrans think it's really tough  Protoss players probably think it's really tough as well for them. It's a stupid matchup overall in my opinion, said it many times before.
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On December 10 2011 17:25 kagamin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:20 Meself wrote:
That can't be right...there's still a building there, only thing is you can walk over it.
Can't be right because otherwise we would have seen it used. I know you can move burrowed roaches over lowered supply depots, so you could camp a burrowed roach on top of a lowered depot. Never heard of burrowing on top of a lowered depot though.
It seems you can. I just thought it would have come up in some high-level TvZ by now.
Source:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Burrow
Infestors or Roaches can move "across" lowered Supply Depots while burrowed. Furthermore, having a burrowed unit on top of a lowered Depot prevents it from being raised.
Maybe it still goes only for units that can be moved while burrowed.
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On December 10 2011 17:43 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:32 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On December 10 2011 17:29 Lavi wrote:On December 10 2011 17:22 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On December 10 2011 13:43 Tachion wrote:On December 10 2011 13:42 windsupernova wrote:On December 10 2011 13:40 Lavi wrote:On December 10 2011 13:38 andaylin wrote:On December 10 2011 13:38 jojo311 wrote:On December 10 2011 13:33 andaylin wrote:
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MVP is quite bad vs Protoss, though Bling is pretty decent. what? you must be kidding, man. MVP is quite good vs T,P,Z all he is significantly weaker vs Protoss. I'm sorry if you can't see this Edit: such an early 1-1-1 push by MVP, dunno how i feel about this. he's weaker because the match up... not because he is bad in tvp Nah its definitively that MVP is worse against P.It has always been his weakness, just like Nestea is worse against T MVP never really adapted to the 2 forge style. His upgrades are always so late in TvP that the longer the game goes on the worse and worse it gets for him. No one has.figured it out. T v P is like the hardest matchup for all high-level Korean Terrans. Obviously maps and balance changes have and new BO/strats for Protoss have significantly changed the T v P landscape. Terran players probably need to work harder to find counters to recent protoss improvements. Jiakji's gone for thor/banshee stuff. Others have used hellions to wreck unscrupulous protosses (Some Korean T versus Huk recently?). But it seems the most viable counters so far have either been All-in (thor banshee stuff) or early game abuse (hellions v hapless stalkers). T v P is tough man. I guess it's time for Terrans to feel the pain that Tosses felt for aaaages lol all those jjakji stuff, hellions wrecking huk, etc are bandaid all in or strong timing pushes just like 1-1-1 is... very gimmicky. theres nothing to fig out since macro late game has been the same in tvp in forever, only the gimmicks change. macro terran vs macro toss - toss has advantage of stronger ball and upgrade, faster reinforcement due to warpgate so terran get one chance at max army vs max army to win outright with enough left over to kill the next remaxed army warp in, whereas toss has to win once then camp production, def in toss favour atm esp since terran form of aoe got nerfed hard (emp) You're one of the few that actually support that T v P is tough. Well done - agree with everything you've said. All these recently developed builds are not only gimmicky, but at times all in. Tough times for T v P. Hey - we're sick of GomTvT finals right? Let's hope to get some PvP finals to even it up. Then Gom will have a massive headache lol I think most terrans think it's really tough Protoss players probably think it's really tough as well for them. It's a stupid matchup overall in my opinion, said it many times before.
many toss have stated they find it a matchup they are confident in :3
mc, titan, tod, etc many of them relatively obscure players who able to take down code s terran :3
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On December 10 2011 17:41 rareh wrote:Why are you surprised ?
im surprised, never ever heard of Titan before. Awesome though and good for him.
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EPT
