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AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
May 12 2011 02:22 GMT
#681
Idra and Whitera's stream sometimes get more viewers, yet have no issues.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
May 12 2011 02:22 GMT
#682
On May 12 2011 11:20 Sight- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:18 Clog wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:17 Sight- wrote:
Idra's analysis is so much worse with no zerg. I still like him ofc, but it's interesting

edit: is anyone else tired of this fucking olive garden ad?


Well yeah, he plays zerg...

I know. But the dropoff is only so noticable because he's SO ridiculously knowledgeable about zerg. His commentary there, despite the bias, is actually amazing. But with PvT (or PVP and TVT I'm sure) it's pretty average. With people like day[9], husky, or Artosis I don't notice as much. And I love all of them too btw, I'm not hating. Just interesting


Very true, besides the husky part anyway
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Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
May 12 2011 02:22 GMT
#683
On May 12 2011 11:22 Enervate wrote:
NASL still down for me but EG Masters Cup is working. Weird.


Hence this is an issue on NASLs end and not JTV.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
May 12 2011 02:22 GMT
#684
How am I supposed to write full summaries if I can't watch half the game
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Sight-
Profile Joined January 2011
184 Posts
May 12 2011 02:23 GMT
#685
On May 12 2011 11:22 Clog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:20 Sight- wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:18 Clog wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:17 Sight- wrote:
Idra's analysis is so much worse with no zerg. I still like him ofc, but it's interesting

edit: is anyone else tired of this fucking olive garden ad?


Well yeah, he plays zerg...

I know. But the dropoff is only so noticable because he's SO ridiculously knowledgeable about zerg. His commentary there, despite the bias, is actually amazing. But with PvT (or PVP and TVT I'm sure) it's pretty average. With people like day[9], husky, or Artosis I don't notice as much. And I love all of them too btw, I'm not hating. Just interesting


Very true, besides the husky part anyway

You notice a huge drop-off with husky?
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
May 12 2011 02:23 GMT
#686
Welp, despite my earlier praise for the improvements, this is pretty much unacceptable when the EG Master's Cup is going on at the same time.

Sorry NASL, looks like they win this round - I'll catch more games of you tomorrow.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 12 2011 02:23 GMT
#687
On May 12 2011 11:21 Azarkon wrote:
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On May 12 2011 11:15 Whitewing wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:13 Azarkon wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:11 sermokala wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:09 Azarkon wrote:
50 supply's worth of immortals would not kill 200/200 mech. I think Gretorp was exaggerating, and Idra just didn't want to argue. Although, mech is less viable after the patch due to thors being countered by HTs.



If they where spaced out and there wasn't any ghosts out then yeah they would.

but the problem is that there is and they never are. The counter to Mech is protoss air. You can't go wrong with 20 void rays and 3 carriers.


Even then they wouldn't because Thors do relatively well vs. Immortals. 250mm pre-patch devastated Immortal groups.

Protoss air is countered by vikings, so 200/200 mech should really be played with either marines or vikings.


Not quite, carriers are actually cost effective against vikings, and your void rays can go in after the intercepters launch (get some phoenix too to tank/dps vikings and lift tanks).


I've never seen carriers used effectively against mech. Yes it's possible, no I haven't seen it done. Theoretically speaking, if carriers counter vikings, then carrier colossi (or carrier HT) should ripe apart all Terran armies (since then the only tool Terran would have vs. carriers are marines) but I've never seen it work.



It probably does, but it's nearly impossible to obtain a 200/200 carrier/colossi army. Similar to a 200/200 tank/viking army or 200/200 broodlord/corrupter army
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 12 2011 02:23 GMT
#688
On May 12 2011 11:19 sAfuRos wrote:
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On May 12 2011 11:17 sermokala wrote:
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On May 12 2011 11:14 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Artosis is obviously better than most people posting. I don't think anyone would deny that.

However, considering his commentary on other players (e.g. 90% of Code A season one, most of whom I'd say showed better games than his NASL performance) I think he deserves some ribbing. It's almost all good natured; almost everyone making fun of him is a fan. You can't expect a player to play so badly (by pro standards, and this is supposed to be a pro league) and not have people comment on it.


you hit it right on the head I think. Hes better then probably all the people in this thread its just he spends so much time with the pros and he wants to be a pro so we just bash him for it.

and stream dies again ;(


Yea no. He is not even top Masters, and ladder experience versus him tells me he is quite weak. There are plenty of casuals like myself who are flat out better than him.




Whaaat?
Artosis is too top masters, dunno what ur smoking. You must have improved for you to now be better than him.
oniman999
Profile Joined May 2011
United States169 Posts
May 12 2011 02:23 GMT
#689
Just a thought I had, but maybe Artosis intentionally played poorly in his game against Vibe. Artosis could have recognized that he had very little or no chance at the NASL playoffs, and decided to literally "take one for the team" to increase Vibe's chance. I don't know, he hasn't played very well in any NASL match, but against Vibe he seemed to play especially poorly (by pro standards).
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
May 12 2011 02:24 GMT
#690
On May 12 2011 11:22 57 Corvette wrote:
How am I supposed to write full summaries if I can't watch half the game


The same way we write semester long 15 page essays requiring so many references.
Jtn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
444 Posts
May 12 2011 02:24 GMT
#691
EG Master's Cup working fine for me. Definitely an NASL issue.
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
May 12 2011 02:24 GMT
#692
On May 12 2011 11:22 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:22 Enervate wrote:
NASL still down for me but EG Masters Cup is working. Weird.


Hence this is an issue on NASLs end and not JTV.

Master's Cup went down as well though. One coming up before the other doesn't eliminate the possibility that this is on JTV's end.
#TeamBuLba
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 02:25:51
May 12 2011 02:24 GMT
#693
Basic summary or TLO vs Grubby G1 until the stream crashed for me

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TLO vs Grubby G1

Crevasse

TLO spawns top left, Grubby Spawns bottom right

TLO opens 12rax while Grubby gets 14gate.

Tlo doesn't get his gas while Grubby does.

Grubby doesn't make a zealot after his core as TLO starts his expansion CC.

A 2nd+3rd barracks from TLO starts as warp gate and Grubby's expansion start.

TLO also takes both his Gasses while Grubby is still on only one.

TLO starts 3 tech labs, on each of his barracks.

Grubby adds 3 more gateways as the research finishes.

Tlo is going for a 3rax marauder build.

Grubby starts a robotics bay after seeing the marines at TLO's ramp.

The marauders and marines move forward and as they take over the tower TLO starts a third CC.

TLO starts his factory and Engineering bay as Stim researches.

Grubby starts his robotics bay and a Starport starts for TLO.

Grubby wastes a forcefield to kill 1 marauder.

Another 3 forcefields are wasted on another single marauder.

Collosi and range start, as well as a protoss third nexus and a forge.

Both players continue to macro up, supplimenting their armies with attack upgrades.

A ghost acadamy starts for TLO as well as another CC.

TLO drops at the natural of Grubby but zealots are warped in and defend.

Grubby starts to attack into the middle but can't advance as TLO as dug himself in with bunkers and tanks.

TLO drops grubbyb again as the destructible rocks outside TLO's thir are taken out.

A templar archives starts for Grubby and the stream crashes again...


I'm out.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 12 2011 02:24 GMT
#694
is it still down for anyone else
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 02:25:17
May 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#695
On May 12 2011 11:10 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:08 Geniuszerg wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:07 Whitewing wrote:
200/200 mech terran army is the strongest deathball in the game, no way 50 supply kills it, unless it's 25 DT's and you didn't bother getting detection.

immortals?


Immortals are good against small mech groups, once you get a mid-sized or large mech army, immortals become virtually useless. Siege tanks just bring them down too quick, and hellions tank all their damage (and hellion groups bring their shields down quick too). Not to mention thors, which actually beat immortals 1v1 not counting strike cannon. Hell, having 25 immortals (100 supply worth of pure immortals) would do almost nothing.

Nope, your wrong.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/158226-1v1-terran-protoss-taldarim-altar-le

wannaBe outplays this protoss all game. He wins in the end but watch how his army gets decimated time and time again.
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
May 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#696
On May 12 2011 11:23 Sight- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:22 Clog wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:20 Sight- wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:18 Clog wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:17 Sight- wrote:
Idra's analysis is so much worse with no zerg. I still like him ofc, but it's interesting

edit: is anyone else tired of this fucking olive garden ad?


Well yeah, he plays zerg...

I know. But the dropoff is only so noticable because he's SO ridiculously knowledgeable about zerg. His commentary there, despite the bias, is actually amazing. But with PvT (or PVP and TVT I'm sure) it's pretty average. With people like day[9], husky, or Artosis I don't notice as much. And I love all of them too btw, I'm not hating. Just interesting


Very true, besides the husky part anyway

You notice a huge drop-off with husky?


Lol I meant that he isn't that knowledgeable
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Absaroka
Profile Joined March 2011
United States27 Posts
May 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#697
Where is the proper place for feedback on NASL?
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#698
On May 12 2011 11:23 oniman999 wrote:
Just a thought I had, but maybe Artosis intentionally played poorly in his game against Vibe. Artosis could have recognized that he had very little or no chance at the NASL playoffs, and decided to literally "take one for the team" to increase Vibe's chance. I don't know, he hasn't played very well in any NASL match, but against Vibe he seemed to play especially poorly (by pro standards).

Artosis really isn't that type of guy to do that.
Geolich
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia375 Posts
May 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#699
On May 12 2011 11:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Apparently EG Masters Cup and Day 9 went down at the same time as NASL. JTV having some problems today

Im watching both.

EG Masters has been up the whole time.
MarineKingPrime!
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#700
Planetary fortress? Might as well attack the other side of the map.
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