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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
May 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#701
It wouldn't be NASL if it didn't have stream troubles. I think week 4 was actualy very good with the stream.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
May 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#702
On May 12 2011 11:24 Dimagus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:22 57 Corvette wrote:
How am I supposed to write full summaries if I can't watch half the game


The same way we write semester long 15 page essays requiring so many references.

O.o

How is he going to reference the game without seeing it? Make it up?
MKP||TSL
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
May 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#703
TLO ggs, Grubby up 1-0
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 02:26:10
May 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#704
On May 12 2011 11:24 FinestHour wrote:
is it still down for anyone else


It's still down. Wait OMG I got an add...

edit: nm no stream still. Adds are working though...
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
kirbynator
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada503 Posts
May 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#705
now thats an upset if grubby beats TLO
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 12 2011 02:26 GMT
#706
On May 12 2011 11:23 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:21 Azarkon wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:15 Whitewing wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:13 Azarkon wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:11 sermokala wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:09 Azarkon wrote:
50 supply's worth of immortals would not kill 200/200 mech. I think Gretorp was exaggerating, and Idra just didn't want to argue. Although, mech is less viable after the patch due to thors being countered by HTs.



If they where spaced out and there wasn't any ghosts out then yeah they would.

but the problem is that there is and they never are. The counter to Mech is protoss air. You can't go wrong with 20 void rays and 3 carriers.


Even then they wouldn't because Thors do relatively well vs. Immortals. 250mm pre-patch devastated Immortal groups.

Protoss air is countered by vikings, so 200/200 mech should really be played with either marines or vikings.


Not quite, carriers are actually cost effective against vikings, and your void rays can go in after the intercepters launch (get some phoenix too to tank/dps vikings and lift tanks).


I've never seen carriers used effectively against mech. Yes it's possible, no I haven't seen it done. Theoretically speaking, if carriers counter vikings, then carrier colossi (or carrier HT) should ripe apart all Terran armies (since then the only tool Terran would have vs. carriers are marines) but I've never seen it work.



It probably does, but it's nearly impossible to obtain a 200/200 carrier/colossi army. Similar to a 200/200 tank/viking army or 200/200 broodlord/corrupter army


The HT route is more viable, since then you make use of your gateways still and just need a star gate switch, which isn't too difficult. The main point though is that I'm skeptical that carriers are really that great vs. vikings. Cost effective, maybe, but after controlling for micro and build time? Not sure. I might experiment with it a bit though.
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
May 12 2011 02:26 GMT
#707
On May 12 2011 11:25 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:24 Dimagus wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:22 57 Corvette wrote:
How am I supposed to write full summaries if I can't watch half the game


The same way we write semester long 15 page essays requiring so many references.

O.o

How is he going to reference the game without seeing it? Make it up?


Thats how I did college essays :D
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 02:29:26
May 12 2011 02:26 GMT
#708
On May 12 2011 11:21 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:15 Whitewing wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:13 Azarkon wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:11 sermokala wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:09 Azarkon wrote:
50 supply's worth of immortals would not kill 200/200 mech. I think Gretorp was exaggerating, and Idra just didn't want to argue. Although, mech is less viable after the patch due to thors being countered by HTs.



If they where spaced out and there wasn't any ghosts out then yeah they would.

but the problem is that there is and they never are. The counter to Mech is protoss air. You can't go wrong with 20 void rays and 3 carriers.


Even then they wouldn't because Thors do relatively well vs. Immortals. 250mm pre-patch devastated Immortal groups.

Protoss air is countered by vikings, so 200/200 mech should really be played with either marines or vikings.


Not quite, carriers are actually cost effective against vikings, and your void rays can go in after the intercepters launch (get some phoenix too to tank/dps vikings and lift tanks).


I've never seen carriers used effectively against mech. Yes it's possible, no I haven't seen it done. Theoretically speaking, if carriers counter vikings, then carrier colossi (or carrier HT) should ripe apart all Terran armies (since then the only tool Terran would have vs. carriers are marines) but I've never seen it work.


Carriers don't really 'counter' vikings, they kill more vikings than their cost, but they build a hell of a lot slower. One carrier can take down 3 vikings for example, especially with upgrades, but a reactored starport will pump them so much faster. You don't see it often because marines destroy interceptors, carriers take ages to build and are expensive (combination meaning that you're out 350/250 for a ridiculously long time before you get the damn unit), and very rarely do terrans go for a 200/200 mech ball where protoss recognizes it early enough to get carriers out. I've seen White-Ra demolish some terran mech players with it on his stream.

Carriers are actually extremely powerful units, the problem is that their build time is absurdly long, they're expensive, they're very hard to tech too while staying alive, and players don't really do large mech builds most of the time.

For the record though, a high templar/carrier/archon combination is actually the strongest unit composition against terran, regardless of what terran does, but it's so incredibly hard to survive to that point without colossi.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
SweetenemY
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany136 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 02:32:30
May 12 2011 02:26 GMT
#709
at moments like now, there are quite some feelings coming to the surface, that usually are lurking within the deeps of the farthest and darkest corners of my soul and i do not dare to name those straight ahead, because i really fear punishment that might be done if i did so.

edit:
Carriers? Every sane Protoss might not build a single Carrier, unless he is absolutely sure the terran is not able to build up a significant amount of marines, as those ROFLSTOMP any amount of carriers.
Well microed Vikings can be a problem too, but there is quite no reason to build vikings as long as the terran has some Barracks
Skill is, when luck gets a matter of habit
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
May 12 2011 02:26 GMT
#710
On May 12 2011 11:23 oniman999 wrote:
Just a thought I had, but maybe Artosis intentionally played poorly in his game against Vibe. Artosis could have recognized that he had very little or no chance at the NASL playoffs, and decided to literally "take one for the team" to increase Vibe's chance. I don't know, he hasn't played very well in any NASL match, but against Vibe he seemed to play especially poorly (by pro standards).


I think he played even more poorly against Fenix and Rainbow.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
May 12 2011 02:26 GMT
#711
On May 12 2011 11:25 Geolich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
Apparently EG Masters Cup and Day 9 went down at the same time as NASL. JTV having some problems today

Im watching both.

EG Masters has been up the whole time.


They both crashed at the exact same time for me, and EGMC is still down. It's a JTV issue that perhaps affects different regions in various ways
the_wiz4rd
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada79 Posts
May 12 2011 02:26 GMT
#712
EG Masters Cup it is...
Senior Journalist at ESFI
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 02:27:31
May 12 2011 02:26 GMT
#713
Yeah this is on NASL's end now. Other streams have come up. NASL's has not. Zey must press zee buttton!

edit: Oh nvm then lol. I guess it is JTV.
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
the_wiz4rd
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada79 Posts
May 12 2011 02:26 GMT
#714
lol Oh perfect, that's not working either <_<
Senior Journalist at ESFI
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
May 12 2011 02:27 GMT
#715
On May 12 2011 11:26 MajorityofOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:25 mikyaJ wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:24 Dimagus wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:22 57 Corvette wrote:
How am I supposed to write full summaries if I can't watch half the game


The same way we write semester long 15 page essays requiring so many references.

O.o

How is he going to reference the game without seeing it? Make it up?


Thats how I did college essays :D


THIS ISN'T COLLEGE. This is starcraft. This is serious.

This sucks =/
Try another route paperboy.
Coolbeans
Profile Joined April 2010
Ireland162 Posts
May 12 2011 02:27 GMT
#716
On May 12 2011 11:25 kirbynator wrote:
now thats an upset if grubby beats TLO


Is it? he beat him the last time they played at Lan
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
May 12 2011 02:27 GMT
#717
Grubby beat TLO at Copenhagen, this isn't very surprising.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
May 12 2011 02:27 GMT
#718
it's not an upset if Grubby beats TLO! He has already beat TLO at a tournament. At this point, he is better than TLO at macro.
Exley
Profile Joined April 2011
United States239 Posts
May 12 2011 02:28 GMT
#719
On May 12 2011 11:23 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 11:19 sAfuRos wrote:
On May 12 2011 11:17 sermokala wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 12 2011 11:14 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Artosis is obviously better than most people posting. I don't think anyone would deny that.

However, considering his commentary on other players (e.g. 90% of Code A season one, most of whom I'd say showed better games than his NASL performance) I think he deserves some ribbing. It's almost all good natured; almost everyone making fun of him is a fan. You can't expect a player to play so badly (by pro standards, and this is supposed to be a pro league) and not have people comment on it.


you hit it right on the head I think. Hes better then probably all the people in this thread its just he spends so much time with the pros and he wants to be a pro so we just bash him for it.

and stream dies again ;(


Yea no. He is not even top Masters, and ladder experience versus him tells me he is quite weak. There are plenty of casuals like myself who are flat out better than him.




Whaaat?
Artosis is too top masters, dunno what ur smoking. You must have improved for you to now be better than him.


Eh, not really. His US account rank is pretty modest... something in the range of 950 Masters with 45% win rate. There are definitely plenty of casual Masters players who are just flat out better. This is disregarding tournament experience.
AKspartan
Profile Joined January 2011
United States126 Posts
May 12 2011 02:28 GMT
#720
On May 12 2011 11:17 Sight- wrote:
Idra's analysis is so much worse with no zerg. I still like him ofc, but it's interesting

edit: is anyone else tired of this fucking olive garden ad?


The dad in the ad is the biggest tool ever.

"YEH"

"I call them my starting five. BOOM!"

Seriously, dad?

"Pass these down to your brothers and make sure they get some, okay?"

Are your children idiots?
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