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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 01 2011 02:37 GMT
#3241
poor axlav he tries to make an expand build work in pvp but just doesn't work out.
When I think of something else, something will go here
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 01 2011 02:38 GMT
#3242
On June 01 2011 11:20 xbankx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:18 bluestuff wrote:
forcefields are just abysmal from a game design perspective, and completly mitigating the micro from the player facing them


So does stasis from broodwar, lockdown from broodwar


Please say you're joking, units that are stasis'd cannot be attacked, units blocked by forcefields stack for collo to kill them faster. Stasis is also less available.

Lockdown ONLY worked on mechanical units, was on an expensive unit that did little other good, and took a huge amount of tech to obtain.

Don't talk about things you don't understand.
Hi.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
June 01 2011 02:38 GMT
#3243
Damn Axslav just looks like compared to Kiwi
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 01 2011 02:38 GMT
#3244
I think I should try to get a Final Edit published on the All-in.
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
June 01 2011 02:38 GMT
#3245
best protoss on ROOT completely pwns best protoss on EG
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
June 01 2011 02:38 GMT
#3246
I didn't watch it. Judging on the 10 pages of rage, it seems IdrA lost? What was the score?
Ezekyle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia607 Posts
June 01 2011 02:38 GMT
#3247
On June 01 2011 11:37 Rarak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:17 imareaver3 wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:14 Chicane wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:12 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:11 Chicane wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:10 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
T___T mingun allins, idra defends it, minigun expands and now idra is behind :/


You got it backwards. Minigun expands, IdrA all ins and doesn't do enough damage with it and is behind.

you missed the part where minigun 4gated and tried to be aggressive with it, forcing idra to make those units which were basically useless against forcefields


You have never seen a player put on a bit of pressure? That's just good game play. He moved forward and instantly pulled back as he expanded



If it was just pressure, that would have been true. But it wasn't--it was an MC 4-gate, and if IdrA had built any fewer units he would have died after the nexus cancel+warp-in+FF on ramp. What bugs us Z isn't that IdrA's later attack failed, it's that Minigun was able to play an all-in, see that his opponent reacted appropriately, and immediately about-face and switch into economic play without being behind.


That means it is not an all in...

I don't understand this argument at all. Does the fact that it can flat-out kill the Zerg if he doesn't react perfectly but doesn't put the Protoss behind at all if it fails make it more balanced?
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
June 01 2011 02:38 GMT
#3248
On June 01 2011 11:38 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:20 xbankx wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:18 bluestuff wrote:
forcefields are just abysmal from a game design perspective, and completly mitigating the micro from the player facing them


So does stasis from broodwar, lockdown from broodwar


Please say you're joking, units that are stasis'd cannot be attacked, units blocked by forcefields stack for collo to kill them faster. Stasis is also less available.

Lockdown ONLY worked on mechanical units, was on an expensive unit that did little other good, and took a huge amount of tech to obtain.

Don't talk about things you don't understand.


lol lockdown
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
June 01 2011 02:39 GMT
#3249
On June 01 2011 11:38 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:20 xbankx wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:18 bluestuff wrote:
forcefields are just abysmal from a game design perspective, and completly mitigating the micro from the player facing them


So does stasis from broodwar, lockdown from broodwar


Please say you're joking, units that are stasis'd cannot be attacked, units blocked by forcefields stack for collo to kill them faster. Stasis is also less available.

Lockdown ONLY worked on mechanical units, was on an expensive unit that did little other good, and took a huge amount of tech to obtain.

Don't talk about things you don't understand.


My guess is he never actually played BW and he just read about what they did online. -,-
DharmaTurtle
Profile Joined August 2010
United States283 Posts
June 01 2011 02:39 GMT
#3250
Root on a Roll. Very nice!
I went from bronze to platinum in 3 awesome days.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
June 01 2011 02:40 GMT
#3251
Can't believe people are discussing pvz/ff imba as a response to seeing idra smash a pure roach/hydra army into sentry/stalker/colossi with superior upgrades repeatedly and mis-microing his roachling aggression so bad it only killed like a sentry and a stalker. T_T
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
June 01 2011 02:40 GMT
#3252
expanding is almost an auto loss it seems in pvp. Almost spoils the results.
Clicker
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
June 01 2011 02:41 GMT
#3253
On June 01 2011 11:38 Ruscour wrote:
I didn't watch it. Judging on the 10 pages of rage, it seems IdrA lost? What was the score?

+ Show Spoiler +
Minigun won 2-1 with money FFs.
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 02:42:01
June 01 2011 02:41 GMT
#3254
On June 01 2011 11:38 Ruscour wrote:
I didn't watch it. Judging on the 10 pages of rage, it seems IdrA lost? What was the score?


+ Show Spoiler +
2-1. First 2 games were good games from both sides, the third game minigun just outplayed him with an innovative 4 gate expand build. Idra tried to all-in minigun, but with the extra warp-in power minigun came out ahead and got a gold up and then won the game.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
June 01 2011 02:41 GMT
#3255
On June 01 2011 11:38 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:20 xbankx wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:18 bluestuff wrote:
forcefields are just abysmal from a game design perspective, and completly mitigating the micro from the player facing them


So does stasis from broodwar, lockdown from broodwar


Please say you're joking, units that are stasis'd cannot be attacked, units blocked by forcefields stack for collo to kill them faster. Stasis is also less available.

Lockdown ONLY worked on mechanical units, was on an expensive unit that did little other good, and took a huge amount of tech to obtain.

Don't talk about things you don't understand.

And Lockdown only worked on more than 2 units if you had god-like micro.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
June 01 2011 02:41 GMT
#3256
On June 01 2011 11:38 Ezekyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:37 Rarak wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:17 imareaver3 wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:14 Chicane wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:12 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:11 Chicane wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:10 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
T___T mingun allins, idra defends it, minigun expands and now idra is behind :/


You got it backwards. Minigun expands, IdrA all ins and doesn't do enough damage with it and is behind.

you missed the part where minigun 4gated and tried to be aggressive with it, forcing idra to make those units which were basically useless against forcefields


You have never seen a player put on a bit of pressure? That's just good game play. He moved forward and instantly pulled back as he expanded



If it was just pressure, that would have been true. But it wasn't--it was an MC 4-gate, and if IdrA had built any fewer units he would have died after the nexus cancel+warp-in+FF on ramp. What bugs us Z isn't that IdrA's later attack failed, it's that Minigun was able to play an all-in, see that his opponent reacted appropriately, and immediately about-face and switch into economic play without being behind.


That means it is not an all in...

I don't understand this argument at all. Does the fact that it can flat-out kill the Zerg if he doesn't react perfectly but doesn't put the Protoss behind at all if it fails make it more balanced?

The fact that it leaves option for turtlemacrosafemode as well as aggression means it's not an allin. Nice misinterpretation lol.
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
June 01 2011 02:42 GMT
#3257
On June 01 2011 11:41 Clicker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:38 Ruscour wrote:
I didn't watch it. Judging on the 10 pages of rage, it seems IdrA lost? What was the score?

+ Show Spoiler +
Minigun won 2-1 with money FFs.

Don't worry about spoiler tags on results from the games that just aired.
#TeamBuLba
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
June 01 2011 02:42 GMT
#3258
On June 01 2011 11:41 Clicker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:38 Ruscour wrote:
I didn't watch it. Judging on the 10 pages of rage, it seems IdrA lost? What was the score?

+ Show Spoiler +
Minigun won 2-1 with money FFs.


+ Show Spoiler +
I think he means MANY FFs.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
June 01 2011 02:42 GMT
#3259
On June 01 2011 11:34 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:33 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:31 Mailing wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:30 Blasphemi wrote:
This just shows the difference between Idra and Nestea. Idra is still doing the same stuff and whining that he is the 'better player' and should therefore win regardless of strategy in a real time strategy game. If he has Robo you don't get Hydras, it's simple, it doesn't work at all you will lost in 95% of games with Hydras as your dps unit versus Collosus Protoss, it has to be Infestors or Banes unless are endlessly ahead in supply.

Meanwhile in Korea Nestea is busy reinventing the matchup being creative and destroying far better Protoss players than Minigun.


What the hell? Inca and Anypro are not better than Minigun.


You cannot be serious. Inca and Anypro are on a different planet to Minigun.


Idk Inca's pvz is pretty bad or at least in all his pvz's I have seen of his so far he has gotten smashed. Anypro I can't remember his play but inca's pvz is worse then minigun's just from watching anyway.


Maybe just maybe Inca is worse at PvZ than Minigun but remember Inca is and has always been Code S. So when Inca plays versus he plays Nestea, July, Losira, Zenio, Kyrix. When Minigun plays Zergs he plays Idra, Machine, Sheth and Catz. So yes, surprisingly, Minigun has a better record versus Zerg. In PvP and PvT Inca is far better than Minigun will ever be.

Anypro has made a Ro4 and two Ro8s in GSL beating FruitDealer, Kyrix, Jinro, Morrow, July and Trickster on LAN at the biggest tournament going. He is way ahead of Minigun in all match ups with his PvZ being particularly good.
AntiSanityMan
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada28 Posts
June 01 2011 02:42 GMT
#3260
Loved how Kiwi went and pushed Axlav when he saw the prism. Kiwi must have been thinking that Axslav might be too busy microing the prism and if he attacked right away it would catch Axslav when he wasn't paying attention. It payed off by getting 3 stalkers. Excellent multi-task to deflect the drop too.

With that snipe and Axslav being failing the prism drop, he was sufficiently behind in units for Kiwi to take him out.
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