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On June 01 2011 11:20 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:
This is shaping up to be the first 3-0 of the league.
I don't think Minigun played that well, it seemed mostly IdrA playing to lose. As in playing to give himself reasons that P is broken (regardless of whether it really is or not).
But anyway, first DDE and now Minigun, hmmm this might not be a good omen for him for MLG.
You like to put a lot into something largely irrelevant.
On June 01 2011 11:30 Blasphemi wrote:
This just shows the difference between Idra and Nestea. Idra is still doing the same stuff and whining that he is the 'better player' and should therefore win regardless of strategy in a real time strategy game. If he has Robo you don't get Hydras, it's simple, it doesn't work at all you will lost in 95% of games with Hydras as your dps unit versus Collosus Protoss, it has to be Infestors or Banes unless are endlessly ahead in supply.
Meanwhile in Korea Nestea is busy reinventing the matchup being creative and destroying far better Protoss players than Minigun.
You're arguing a point no one has contested in the first place. Dont know where that came from
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On June 01 2011 11:29 Ezekyle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 11:26 Rayansaki wrote:On June 01 2011 11:22 Blasphemi wrote:On June 01 2011 11:20 Chicane wrote:On June 01 2011 11:18 bluestuff wrote:
forcefields are just abysmal from a game design perspective, and completly mitigating the micro from the player facing them I wouldn't say completely. Completely would be fungal growth which is essentially 8 forcefields around a section of an army, not allowing them to move at all (can't blink away, can't burrow away etc.) Forcefields are far better than Fungal. Fungal at least allows your units to attack (assuming they're not melee with most units aren't). You must be hallucinating. Both fungal and forcefields allow you to attack as long as you have the same range or more than the units attacking you. It's exactly the same, except you need to use several forcefields to completelly surround a group of units so he cant run away or forward, while fungal is just 1. Which would be a perfectly reasonable argument if both Zerg and Protoss could make an army consisting of nothing with less than 6 range. And if force fields didn't last four times as long as fungals.
Indeed, Fungal is much more comparable to Storm than it is Forcefield.
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On June 01 2011 11:12 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 11:11 Chicane wrote:On June 01 2011 11:10 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
T___T mingun allins, idra defends it, minigun expands and now idra is behind :/ You got it backwards. Minigun expands, IdrA all ins and doesn't do enough damage with it and is behind. you missed the part where minigun 4gated and tried to be aggressive with it, forcing idra to make those units which were basically useless against forcefields
That sounds like good play to me... wait I mean thats completely all in toss imba
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On June 01 2011 11:26 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 11:24 Rayansaki wrote:On June 01 2011 11:20 ThaZenith wrote:On June 01 2011 11:15 Rayansaki wrote:
haha what an asshole.
You're an idiot. Too bad IdrA played terrible today. Much, much to aggressive into force fields during all 3 games. In that third game, if he had played it even 20% less aggressive at the start he would have taken it right there. But he kept engaging with half his force, and then ran in lings in pairs into minigun's ball for no reason. Had hoped IdrA would have done more burrow/drop play to deal with FF's, ah well. Why am I an idiot? Idra played way way worse than he is capable off and was smashed by minigun, then proceded to ragequit. This after trash talking him a lot in ladder where they met for 3 games earlier and minigun brutalized him by 3-0. Does that not make him an asshole ? ;> Would you say ROOT instigating Idra to be an asshole move as well?
Yeah, was immature and funny as hell. It's called trolling
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On June 01 2011 11:30 Blasphemi wrote:
This just shows the difference between Idra and Nestea. Idra is still doing the same stuff and whining that he is the 'better player' and should therefore win regardless of strategy in a real time strategy game. If he has Robo you don't get Hydras, it's simple, it doesn't work at all you will lost in 95% of games with Hydras as your dps unit versus Collosus Protoss, it has to be Infestors or Banes unless are endlessly ahead in supply.
Meanwhile in Korea Nestea is busy reinventing the matchup being creative and destroying far better Protoss players than Minigun.
What the hell? Inca and Anypro are not better than Minigun.
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On June 01 2011 11:29 Thugtronik wrote:
any chance of a quick summary of the kiwi vs axlav game please?
Colossi > Hallucinations with an enemy Observer.
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Love ROOT! Gogo kiwikaki.
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*sigh*, sometimes I wish IdrA had stayed in Korea and kept on advancing in the GSL together with DeMu, at least we'd stop hearing how all of TL/reddit exploded with shit-talking against anyone that isn't IdrA, and all of the hate against IdrA as well.
I'll go as far as to give Minigun the benefit of the doubt, I don't really like him as a player, and putting him besides IdrA when it comes to experience and such is enough to make one upset, but the amount of whining the community creates is just mindboggling.
The new kid on the block had a shot and he took it, nothing wrong with that.
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On June 01 2011 11:30 Blasphemi wrote:
This just shows the difference between Idra and Nestea. Idra is still doing the same stuff and whining that he is the 'better player' and should therefore win regardless of strategy in a real time strategy game. If he has Robo you don't get Hydras, it's simple, it doesn't work at all you will lost in 95% of games with Hydras as your dps unit versus Collosus Protoss, it has to be Infestors or Banes unless are endlessly ahead in supply.
Meanwhile in Korea Nestea is busy reinventing the matchup being creative and destroying far better Protoss players than Minigun.
So much hate. Even if I don't agree with him Idra has been showing some killer ZvP lately. He was behind that game from the roach/ling all in and made a mistake going for hydra's to hold a mid game warpgate push that never came, that's about all you should read into that game.
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On June 01 2011 11:31 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 11:30 Blasphemi wrote:
This just shows the difference between Idra and Nestea. Idra is still doing the same stuff and whining that he is the 'better player' and should therefore win regardless of strategy in a real time strategy game. If he has Robo you don't get Hydras, it's simple, it doesn't work at all you will lost in 95% of games with Hydras as your dps unit versus Collosus Protoss, it has to be Infestors or Banes unless are endlessly ahead in supply.
Meanwhile in Korea Nestea is busy reinventing the matchup being creative and destroying far better Protoss players than Minigun. What the hell? Inca and Anypro are not better than Minigun.
You cannot be serious. Inca and Anypro are on a different planet to Minigun.
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On June 01 2011 11:26 Rayansaki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 11:22 Blasphemi wrote:On June 01 2011 11:20 Chicane wrote:On June 01 2011 11:18 bluestuff wrote:
forcefields are just abysmal from a game design perspective, and completly mitigating the micro from the player facing them I wouldn't say completely. Completely would be fungal growth which is essentially 8 forcefields around a section of an army, not allowing them to move at all (can't blink away, can't burrow away etc.) Forcefields are far better than Fungal. Fungal at least allows your units to attack (assuming they're not melee with most units aren't). You must be hallucinating. Both fungal and forcefields allow you to attack as long as you have the same range or more than the units attacking you. It's exactly the same, except you need to use several forcefields to completelly surround a group of units so he cant run away or forward, while fungal is just 1.
lol i see what you did there >_>
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On June 01 2011 11:33 Blasphemi wrote:
You cannot be serious. Inca and Anypro are on a different planet to Minigun.
Yea well minigun didn't dt rush 4 times in a row -.- Which arguably makes his PvZ in these specific instances better than Inca's
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On June 01 2011 11:33 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 11:31 Mailing wrote:On June 01 2011 11:30 Blasphemi wrote:
This just shows the difference between Idra and Nestea. Idra is still doing the same stuff and whining that he is the 'better player' and should therefore win regardless of strategy in a real time strategy game. If he has Robo you don't get Hydras, it's simple, it doesn't work at all you will lost in 95% of games with Hydras as your dps unit versus Collosus Protoss, it has to be Infestors or Banes unless are endlessly ahead in supply.
Meanwhile in Korea Nestea is busy reinventing the matchup being creative and destroying far better Protoss players than Minigun. What the hell? Inca and Anypro are not better than Minigun. You cannot be serious. Inca and Anypro are on a different planet to Minigun.
They're actually in a different country, not on a different planet.
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On June 01 2011 11:33 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 11:31 Mailing wrote:On June 01 2011 11:30 Blasphemi wrote:
This just shows the difference between Idra and Nestea. Idra is still doing the same stuff and whining that he is the 'better player' and should therefore win regardless of strategy in a real time strategy game. If he has Robo you don't get Hydras, it's simple, it doesn't work at all you will lost in 95% of games with Hydras as your dps unit versus Collosus Protoss, it has to be Infestors or Banes unless are endlessly ahead in supply.
Meanwhile in Korea Nestea is busy reinventing the matchup being creative and destroying far better Protoss players than Minigun. What the hell? Inca and Anypro are not better than Minigun. You cannot be serious. Inca and Anypro are on a different planet to Minigun.
Idk Inca's pvz is pretty bad or at least in all his pvz's I have seen of his so far he has gotten smashed. Anypro I can't remember his play but inca's pvz is worse then minigun's just from watching anyway.
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On June 01 2011 11:34 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 11:33 Blasphemi wrote:On June 01 2011 11:31 Mailing wrote:On June 01 2011 11:30 Blasphemi wrote:
This just shows the difference between Idra and Nestea. Idra is still doing the same stuff and whining that he is the 'better player' and should therefore win regardless of strategy in a real time strategy game. If he has Robo you don't get Hydras, it's simple, it doesn't work at all you will lost in 95% of games with Hydras as your dps unit versus Collosus Protoss, it has to be Infestors or Banes unless are endlessly ahead in supply.
Meanwhile in Korea Nestea is busy reinventing the matchup being creative and destroying far better Protoss players than Minigun. What the hell? Inca and Anypro are not better than Minigun. You cannot be serious. Inca and Anypro are on a different planet to Minigun. Idk Inca's pvz is pretty bad or at least in all his pvz's I have seen of his so far he has gotten smashed. Anypro I can't remember his play but inca's pvz is worse then minigun's just from watching anyway.
anypro is still way better, though... you can debate about inca but anypro is better than minigun.
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On June 01 2011 11:16 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 11:14 Jyvblamo wrote:On June 01 2011 11:14 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 01 2011 11:12 Mordiford wrote:On June 01 2011 11:11 Chicane wrote:On June 01 2011 11:10 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
T___T mingun allins, idra defends it, minigun expands and now idra is behind :/ You got it backwards. Minigun expands, IdrA all ins and doesn't do enough damage with it and is behind. Yeah, what game were you watching? I'm pretty sure Minigun was the defender with IdrA streaming in units... the one where minigun 4gated and then attacked with a zealot and a bunch of sentries Did you notice the part where his natural expansion was already up when his sentries and zealots reached Idra's front? well then why the hell did he push out with a fuckton of expensive units, and build an aggro pylon? the good old make nothing but sentries and try to kill the zerg build?
It worked did it not? that answers your question.
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On June 01 2011 11:30 Blasphemi wrote:
This just shows the difference between Idra and Nestea. Idra is still doing the same stuff and whining that he is the 'better player' and should therefore win regardless of strategy in a real time strategy game. If he has Robo you don't get Hydras, it's simple, it doesn't work at all you will lost in 95% of games with Hydras as your dps unit versus Collosus Protoss, it has to be Infestors or Banes unless are endlessly ahead in supply.
Meanwhile in Korea Nestea is busy reinventing the matchup being creative and destroying far better Protoss players than Minigun.
LOL at all this bias. You have only seen nestea play in gsl. Nestea doesn't even have a 60% winrate on ladder, he gets mad at forcefields all the time. He loses alot. Stop thinking nestea is a god and is reinventing the matchup. Hes good. Thats all there is to it. Btw, if he has robo, you DONT GET HYDRAS? LOL what kind of retarded logic is that? are you telling me that you build roaches against immortals? LOL hydras are essential to immortals. The hard part is that the toss can choose if they want collosus or immortal, so its hard to scout and predict.
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On June 01 2011 11:35 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 11:34 blade55555 wrote:On June 01 2011 11:33 Blasphemi wrote:On June 01 2011 11:31 Mailing wrote:On June 01 2011 11:30 Blasphemi wrote:
This just shows the difference between Idra and Nestea. Idra is still doing the same stuff and whining that he is the 'better player' and should therefore win regardless of strategy in a real time strategy game. If he has Robo you don't get Hydras, it's simple, it doesn't work at all you will lost in 95% of games with Hydras as your dps unit versus Collosus Protoss, it has to be Infestors or Banes unless are endlessly ahead in supply.
Meanwhile in Korea Nestea is busy reinventing the matchup being creative and destroying far better Protoss players than Minigun. What the hell? Inca and Anypro are not better than Minigun. You cannot be serious. Inca and Anypro are on a different planet to Minigun. Idk Inca's pvz is pretty bad or at least in all his pvz's I have seen of his so far he has gotten smashed. Anypro I can't remember his play but inca's pvz is worse then minigun's just from watching anyway. anypro is still way better, though... you can debate about inca but anypro is better than minigun.
Yeah I can't remember anypro's play at all so can't comment on him but for inca that debate is a legit one 
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axslav does some pretty greedy pvp builds
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On June 01 2011 11:17 imareaver3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 11:14 Chicane wrote:On June 01 2011 11:12 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On June 01 2011 11:11 Chicane wrote:On June 01 2011 11:10 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
T___T mingun allins, idra defends it, minigun expands and now idra is behind :/ You got it backwards. Minigun expands, IdrA all ins and doesn't do enough damage with it and is behind. you missed the part where minigun 4gated and tried to be aggressive with it, forcing idra to make those units which were basically useless against forcefields You have never seen a player put on a bit of pressure? That's just good game play. He moved forward and instantly pulled back as he expanded If it was just pressure, that would have been true. But it wasn't--it was an MC 4-gate, and if IdrA had built any fewer units he would have died after the nexus cancel+warp-in+FF on ramp. What bugs us Z isn't that IdrA's later attack failed, it's that Minigun was able to play an all-in, see that his opponent reacted appropriately, and immediately about-face and switch into economic play without being behind.
That means it is not an all in...
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