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Match 1: Code A vs Code S (3rd) -> Winner to Code S
Match2: Loser of Match 1 vs Code S (4th) -> Winner to Code S, loser to Code A
Group A
 Keen vs  Trickster
Loser vs San
+ Show Spoiler [Group poll] +Poll: Who makes it out of group ATrickster and San (329) 45% Keen and San (222) 30% Keen and Trickster (177) 24% 728 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group A (Vote): Keen and Trickster
(Vote): Keen and San
(Vote): Trickster and San
Group B
 CoCa vs Jinro
Loser vs Zenio
+ Show Spoiler [Group poll] +Poll: Who makes it out of group BJinro and Zenio (565) 65% CoCa and Jinro (183) 21% Coca and Zenio (118) 14% 866 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group B (Vote): CoCa and Jinro
(Vote): Coca and Zenio
(Vote): Jinro and Zenio
Group C
aLive vs Byun
Loser vs Check
+ Show Spoiler [Group poll] +Poll: Who makes it out of group CaLive and Byun (400) 67% aLive and Check (115) 19% Check and Byun (79) 13% 594 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group C (Vote): aLive and Byun
(Vote): aLive and Check
(Vote): Check and Byun
Group D
Ryung vs MC
Loser vs HongUn
+ Show Spoiler [Group poll] +Poll: Who makes it out of group DRyung and MC (543) 78% MC and HongUn (117) 17% Ryung and HongUn (39) 6% 699 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group D (Vote): Ryung and MC
(Vote): Ryung and HongUn
(Vote): MC and HongUn
Group E
MMA vs MarineKing
Loser vs HuK
+ Show Spoiler [Group poll] +Poll: Who makes it out of group EMMA and MarineKing (725) 74% MarineKing and Huk (168) 17% MMA and Huk (87) 9% 980 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group E (Vote): MMA and MarineKing
(Vote): MMA and Huk
(Vote): MarineKing and Huk
Group F
viOlet vs Kyrix
Loser vs TheWinD
+ Show Spoiler [Group poll] +Poll: Who makes it out of group FviOlet and Kyrix (265) 46% ViOlet and TheWind (159) 28% Kyrix and TheWind (147) 26% 571 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group F (Vote): viOlet and Kyrix
(Vote): ViOlet and TheWind
(Vote): Kyrix and TheWind
Group G
MVP vs Rain
Loser vs RainBOw
+ Show Spoiler [Group poll] +Poll: Who makes it out of group GMVP and RainBOw (425) 67% MVP and Rain (197) 31% Rain and RainBOw (16) 3% 638 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group G (Vote): MVP and Rain
(Vote): MVP and RainBOw
(Vote): Rain and RainBOw
Group H
Bomber vs Lyn
Loser vs Ensnare
+ Show Spoiler [Group poll] +Poll: Who makes it out of group HBomber and Lyn (337) 55% Bomber and Ensnare (264) 43% Lyn and Ensnare (13) 2% 614 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group H (Vote): Bomber and Lyn
(Vote): Bomber and Ensnare
(Vote): Lyn and Ensnare
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So excited for these 
And HuK looks so dead >,<
Groups A & D are sad though =(, I feel like all 6 of those deserve to be in code S.
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Bye Bye Huk. Bye Bye HongUn. =D
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Match 1: Code A vs Code S (3rd) -> winner to code S
Match2: Loser of Match 1 vs Code S (4th) -> winner to code S, loser to code A
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sorry huk, but you'll be sacrified in name of MKP.
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Hahah that's amazing =P, hope he puts up a good show, even if he loses!
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I wouldn't count Huk out. MKPvP can be either brilliant or stupid, Huk has only one matchup to train like his life depends of it.
Jinro has one solid veteran zerg and one up and coming zerg, one matchup to train too, GOGOGO JINRO.
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at least jinro has a chance
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uggggh Rain is going to cheese Rainbow and he'll get an auto invite to code S once again fml
cant wait to see hongun out of code S
I also hope Keen and Trickster make it out of their group, San isn't that great without his storms.
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Huk. 
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MC, you can and will do this! 
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On May 06 2011 20:05 Midgetman101 wrote:
Bye Bye Rain =D
lol?
Rain vs rainbow
thats pretty even. Rain is shit and rainbow is a shade of his former self aka is also shit.
User was warned for this post
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Groups in order of difficulty
1. D
2. E
3. A
4. C
5. H
6. F
7. G
8. B
Predictions
A: san and trickster
B: coca and jinro
C. alive and byun
D. MC and hungun
E. MKP and Huk
F. Violet and Kyrix
G. MVP and Rainbow
H. Bomber and Ensnare.
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MC, Bomber, MVP and Alive are the only guaranteed code S I see here. There rest will be hard fought imo.
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On May 06 2011 20:08 Sandro wrote:
uggggh Rain is going to cheese Rainbow and he'll get an auto invite to code S once again fml
cant wait to see hongun out of code S
Wouldn't count HongUn out tbh.
He can take on both Ryung and MC in a Bo3.
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Poor HuK
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oGsTheWind = Forever Code S? It's a possibility...
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Jinro has a doable task ahead of him. Huk, on the other hand, is fucked. Group D looks the most interesting to me with three good players.
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My predictions from this
Group A: Keen, TrickSteR, san
Group B: CoCa, Jinro, Zenio
Group C: aLive, Byun, Check
Group D: Ryung, MC, HongUn
Group E: MMA, MarineKing, Huk
Group F: viOlet, Kyrix, TheWind
Group G: MVP, Rain, Rainbow
Group H: Bomber, Lyn, Ensnare
Are that these people below will advance
Group A: TrickSteR, san
Group B: Jinro <3, Zenio
Group C: aLive, Byun
Group D: Ryung, MC
Group E: MMA, MarineKing
Group F: viOlet, Kyrix
Group G: MVP, Rainbow
Group H: Bomber, Ensnare
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jinros group is hard, but not impossible. huk though is fucked.
i really hope he can pull it off.
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On May 06 2011 20:09 darmousseh wrote:
Groups in order of difficulty
1. D
2. E
3. A
4. C
5. H
6. F
7. G
8. B
Predictions
A: san and trickster
B: coca and jinro
C. alive and byun
D. MC and hungun
E. MKP and Huk
F. Violet and Kyrix
G. MVP and Rainbow
H. Bomber and Ensnare.
dont think Huk can win MMA, and Ensnare...im not sure, more like Lyn
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Hopefully Huks tweet doesn't suggest him not feeling positive about keeping his code s spot.
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GoGo TheWind! Stay in Code S forever, coach! 
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Huk . Why must you're group be so hard! I'll be rooting for you anyways.
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Jinro couldn't realistically have asked for a better group. Anything can happen, but I think he'll make it out but if he falls down he can't make any excuses. I think a Code-S level Terran should make it out of that group if he truly belongs in Code-S. I will still be nervous as hell though =]
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byebye rain. im so pumped to see him drop out again :>
though huk and theWind seem pretty dead in their groups
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rain has good builds. if can execute them good aswell, he might advance first
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On May 06 2011 20:15 bbQ4Aiur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:09 darmousseh wrote:
Groups in order of difficulty
1. D
2. E
3. A
4. C
5. H
6. F
7. G
8. B
Predictions
A: san and trickster
B: coca and jinro
C. alive and byun
D. MC and hungun
E. MKP and Huk
F. Violet and Kyrix
G. MVP and Rainbow
H. Bomber and Ensnare.
dont think Huk can win MMA, and Ensnare...im not sure, more like Lyn
I think MMA is overrated and that huk will be super motivated to win. I don't really see MKP losing to MMA at all and Huk can beat MMA since he's the better player. It all comes down to practice and if huk has nerve issues.
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On May 06 2011 20:18 Tppz! wrote:
byebye rain. im so pumped to see him drop out again :>
though huk and theWind seem pretty dead in their groups
I think Rainbow is worse than Rain lol
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Poll: Who makes it out of group ATrickster and San (329) 45% Keen and San (222) 30% Keen and Trickster (177) 24% 728 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group A (Vote): Keen and Trickster
(Vote): Keen and San
(Vote): Trickster and San
Poll: Who makes it out of group BJinro and Zenio (565) 65% CoCa and Jinro (183) 21% Coca and Zenio (118) 14% 866 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group B (Vote): CoCa and Jinro
(Vote): Coca and Zenio
(Vote): Jinro and Zenio
Poll: Who makes it out of group CaLive and Byun (400) 67% aLive and Check (115) 19% Check and Byun (79) 13% 594 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group C (Vote): aLive and Byun
(Vote): aLive and Check
(Vote): Check and Byun
Poll: Who makes it out of group DRyung and MC (543) 78% MC and HongUn (117) 17% Ryung and HongUn (39) 6% 699 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group D (Vote): Ryung and MC
(Vote): Ryung and HongUn
(Vote): MC and HongUn
Poll: Who makes it out of group EMMA and MarineKing (725) 74% MarineKing and Huk (168) 17% MMA and Huk (87) 9% 980 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group E (Vote): MMA and MarineKing
(Vote): MMA and Huk
(Vote): MarineKing and Huk
Poll: Who makes it out of group FviOlet and Kyrix (265) 46% ViOlet and TheWind (159) 28% Kyrix and TheWind (147) 26% 571 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group F (Vote): viOlet and Kyrix
(Vote): ViOlet and TheWind
(Vote): Kyrix and TheWind
Poll: Who makes it out of group GMVP and RainBOw (425) 67% MVP and Rain (197) 31% Rain and RainBOw (16) 3% 638 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group G (Vote): MVP and Rain
(Vote): MVP and RainBOw
(Vote): Rain and RainBOw
Poll: Who makes it out of group HBomber and Lyn (337) 55% Bomber and Ensnare (264) 43% Lyn and Ensnare (13) 2% 614 total votes Your vote: Who makes it out of group H (Vote): Bomber and Lyn
(Vote): Bomber and Ensnare
(Vote): Lyn and Ensnare
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HuK can win this. Not against MKP, but maybe he can edge out a victory against MMA.
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Hold on a second: How was this decided? I thought the top 2 code A guys got to chose which code S group they would like to challenge, meaning that HuK would already be paired with Rain. Wasn't that how they used to do it, or am I mistaken?
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Good luck to all oGs-Liquid members~
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On May 06 2011 20:19 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:18 Tppz! wrote:
byebye rain. im so pumped to see him drop out again :>
though huk and theWind seem pretty dead in their groups I think Rainbow is worse than Rain lol
Not a chance
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On May 06 2011 20:20 Wivyx wrote:
Hold on a second: How was this decided? I thought the top 2 code A guys got to chose which code S group they would like to challenge, meaning that HuK would already be paired with Rain. Wasn't that how they used to do it, or am I mistaken?
They pick 2 players, not a group
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My god! Chris got owned on that one.
Well he will be still around thats for sure.
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Prob doens't help that as Huk streamed today he just couldn't beat a terran in fact tilted so hard he told chat he was going to off himself YOU CAN DO IT HUK YOU CAN BEAT MKP
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On May 06 2011 20:21 Robje wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:20 Wivyx wrote:
Hold on a second: How was this decided? I thought the top 2 code A guys got to chose which code S group they would like to challenge, meaning that HuK would already be paired with Rain. Wasn't that how they used to do it, or am I mistaken? They pick 2 players, not a group
But has it always been like that? Thought the 3rd and 4th place from the same code S group used to be linked.
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On May 06 2011 20:20 Wivyx wrote:
Hold on a second: How was this decided? I thought the top 2 code A guys got to chose which code S group they would like to challenge, meaning that HuK would already be paired with Rain. Wasn't that how they used to do it, or am I mistaken?
The 2 code S winners choosed their 2 opponents. Why would you assume they'd choose huk over rain, rainbow, Ensnare or Lyn ?
edit : I had misunderstood :p
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Not a single teamkill? Or am I looking at it wrong?
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On May 06 2011 20:20 Midgetman101 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:19 zerious wrote:On May 06 2011 20:18 Tppz! wrote:
byebye rain. im so pumped to see him drop out again :>
though huk and theWind seem pretty dead in their groups I think Rainbow is worse than Rain lol Not a chance
Yeah. Rain has only 1 Build and doesnt know how to build a 3rd CC. No way he is better than RainBOw ^.^
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On May 06 2011 20:22 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:20 Wivyx wrote:
Hold on a second: How was this decided? I thought the top 2 code A guys got to chose which code S group they would like to challenge, meaning that HuK would already be paired with Rain. Wasn't that how they used to do it, or am I mistaken? The 2 code S winners choosed their 2 opponents. Why would you assume they'd choose huk over rain, rainbow, Ensnare or Lyn ?
Not asuming that. Just saying that I thought they chosed a code S group to challenge. Meaning that there would be 8 sets of 2 players, and they would have to pick a set of players. Not two individuals. In that case, if someone wanted to, say, pick Thewind, they would by default also pick MC.
That's not the case, though.
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On May 06 2011 20:09 darmousseh wrote:
Groups in order of difficulty
1. D
2. E
3. A
4. C
5. H
6. F
7. G
8. B
Predictions
A: san and trickster
B: coca and jinro
C. alive and byun
D. MC and hungun
E. MKP and Huk
F. Violet and Kyrix
G. MVP and Rainbow
H. Bomber and Ensnare.
Have you never seen MMA play at all? E is the group of death, and mma is gonna smash mkp in the first game :!
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HuK youre so dead. I think HuK should go an play a LOT against terrans :D
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but its very good for jinro and huk, that they can fully concentrate on one matchup.
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Poor Huk. Playing against MMA and MKP is something even MC would have to be afraid of.
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Groups A and E are going to be heartbreaker groups. No matter who wins, a great player is going to drop down. Tester, San, and Keen are all great players, as are Huk, MKP, and MMA. I will feel a great deal of QQ if any of them drop down, yet two of them must drop out of these two groups.
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Rainbow beat Kiwikaki this week in the NASL, I am sure he will be able to take Rain down.
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Group A: Keen, TrickSteR, san
Group B: CoCa, Jinro, Zenio
Group C: aLive, Byun, Check
Group D: Ryung, MC, HongUn
Group E: MMA, MarineKing, Huk
Group F: viOlet, Kyrix, TheWind
Group G: MVP, Rain, Rainbow
Group H: Bomber, Lyn, Ensnare
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On May 06 2011 20:22 Wivyx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:21 Robje wrote:On May 06 2011 20:20 Wivyx wrote:
Hold on a second: How was this decided? I thought the top 2 code A guys got to chose which code S group they would like to challenge, meaning that HuK would already be paired with Rain. Wasn't that how they used to do it, or am I mistaken? They pick 2 players, not a group But has it always been like that? Thought the 3rd and 4th place from the same code S group used to be linked.
As far as I know, yes, it has always been like that.
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Group A: Keen, TrickSteR, san
Group B: CoCa, Jinro, Zenio
Group C: aLive, Byun, Check
Group D: Ryung, MC, HongUn
Group E: MMA, MarineKing, Huk
Group F: viOlet, Kyrix, TheWind
Group G: MVP, Rain, Rainbow
Group H: Bomber, Lyn, Ensnare
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ROFL
![[image loading]](http://images.plurk.com/06b9bd0bb3d856b7b991ff614e861d8d.jpg)
still wishing huk goes back Code S
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Group A: Keen, TrickSteR, san
Group B: CoCa, Jinro, Zenio
Group C: aLive, Byun, Check
Group D: Ryung, MC, HongUn
Group E: MMA, MarineKing, Huk
Group F: viOlet, Kyrix, TheWind
Group G: MVP, Rain, Rainbow
Group H: Bomber, Lyn, Ensnare
I vote with my heart and I like a few upsets and LR thread rage.
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Group A: Keen, TrickSteR, san
Group B: CoCa, Jinro, Zenio
Group C: aLive, Byun, Check
Group D: Ryung, MC, HongUn
Group E: MMA, MarineKing, Huk
Group F: viOlet, Kyrix, TheWind
Group G: MVP, Rain, Rainbow
Group H: Bomber, Lyn, Ensnare
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Group D is seriously tough. No matter what happens, a very good player drops to Code A.
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Group H will be interesting aint TvT all there best match up?
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On May 06 2011 20:49 Jumbled wrote:
Group D is seriously tough. No matter what happens, a very good player drops to Code A.
Hongun is good?
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Trickster and MC are going to be the only P coming out of up and down.
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HuK is dead if MMA loses to MKP, which seems possible. However if MMA takes out MKP then HuK has a better chance. Though I'd still say he's the underdog.
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On May 06 2011 20:53 StarPolice wrote:
Trickster and MC are going to be the only P coming out of up and down.
I'd say san and MC.
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Picking the loser of each group
A: Keen. He beat 2 protosses in code A but they were Choya and banbans. Will definitely be rooting for him though in hopes of another ceremony
B: CoCa. Won't beat a motivated Jinro in TvZ and Zenio's ZvZ is quite good.
C: Check. One of the worst players in code S
D: Hongun. TvP is Ryung's least tested matchup, but I have faith Cella will come up with something good enough to beat Hongun. If Ryung beats MC, well, we all know how MC vs Hongun went last time
E: Huk. I actually think Huk has a better chance than most here are giving him, but at the end of the day MMA and MKP are just too good.
F: TheWind. He might not even practice for these matches
F: Rainbow. I'm raining tears that MVP isn't the only one in this group going back to code S. Rain is actually not atrocious at TvT so I'll take him over rainbow.
G: Ensnare. Lyn beat ensnare in the March GSL and has a better overall TvT record
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Poor Huk
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haha poor huk. I hope ryung will demolish mc :-)
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wow poor huk. I hope hes working on his PvT
Edit: actually MMA isnt THAT impressive and marinekings TvP isnt anything much lately. But its still not 2 pushovers but its not like facing MVP and MC in the same group
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Is Bomber and MVP automatically in Code s now since their 1&2 place in Code A?
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On May 06 2011 21:15 iuvenalis wrote:
Is Bomber and MVP automatically in Code s now since their 1&2 place in Code A?
no, they have to win 1 bo3.
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On May 06 2011 20:50 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:49 Jumbled wrote:
Group D is seriously tough. No matter what happens, a very good player drops to Code A. Hongun is good?
Yeah, HongUn is pretty good. Versatile player, knows tons of builds. Not exactly a tip-top Protoss, but I think he's good enough that if he falls to Code A, he can make it back into Code S. He kind of gets overshadowed by all of the more popular players, but if you actually look at his GSL runs he's easily one of the more consistent Protosses out there.
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Poor Huk... thats going to be rough.
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On May 06 2011 21:14 raf3776 wrote:
wow poor huk. I hope hes working on his PvT
Edit: actually MMA isnt THAT impressive and marinekings TvP isnt anything much lately. But its still not 2 pushovers but its not like facing MVP and MC in the same group
MMA has insane multitasking and great unit control. He got knocked out by the Code A champ (after rolfstomping his way to the quarter finals) and his match against Bomber was actually a lot closer than it seems on paper.
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Cant see Huk coming through that group, prove me wrong!
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huk better pray that MKP win MMA since MKP has a higher chance of getting 2nd place
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On May 06 2011 20:29 Corvi wrote:
but its very good for jinro and huk, that they can fully concentrate on one matchup.
That's what's giving me some hope. Just smash them Terrans! MKP and MMA are truly scary and he has just one shot, though.
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huk
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HuK is going down to Code A
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Yikes. On one hand, it looks like a lot of fat is going to be trimmed out of code S this season, and a good number of awesome terrans are likely to be coming up. On the other hand, next season is going to be really T heavy. It's going to be something like ~17 terran, ~8 zerg, ~7 protoss or something very close. Not necessarily a bad thing, now we need the Z and P equivalents of Ryung, Bomber, MMA, etc. to rise up. :D
My predictions for up/down winners:
Keen
Tester
Jinro
Coca
Alive
Check
MC
Ryung
MarineKing
MMA
Violet
Kyrix
MVP
Rainbow
Bomber
Ensnare
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It's tough for HuK, but let's not forget he can actually still play the game pretty well and only has to practice 1 matchup. I wouldn't name him a favorite, but I'd be the happiest person in the world if he ends up being the one to knock MKP out of Code S.
On a more positive note, Jinro should smash his group.
Oh and Rainbow should beat Rain. Rainbow is actually a legit player despite not doing very well, and unless he comes into the game depressed or something, it should be no contest.
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I think there's a decent chance that MC doesn't escape, because he may do greedy or cheesy strategies. If he plays conservatively, I think he'll be fine.
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13 terrans, 6 zergs, 5 protoss. This kinda corellates with the recent data on MU wins in Korea
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And then T is the "weakest race" lol.
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On May 06 2011 21:52 Cheerio wrote:
13 terrans, 6 zergs, 5 protoss. This kinda corellates with the recent data on MU wins in Korea
Yeah, Terrans dominating Code A ._.
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On May 06 2011 21:59 Welmu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 21:52 Cheerio wrote:
13 terrans, 6 zergs, 5 protoss. This kinda corellates with the recent data on MU wins in Korea Yeah, Terrans dominating Code A ._.
Although we have 2 pure Terran groups, so 2 are destined to go down (ok, 4 are also destined to go/stay up).
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On May 06 2011 21:59 Welmu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 21:52 Cheerio wrote:
13 terrans, 6 zergs, 5 protoss. This kinda corellates with the recent data on MU wins in Korea Yeah, Terrans dominating Code A ._.
Not their fault they were massively the best players in it
Like seriously, don't think there was one protoss that really impressed me in Code A this season :/
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I don't think HuK is in that much trouble. He can beat both of those players. At least it's not PvP.
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On May 06 2011 22:02 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 21:59 Welmu wrote:On May 06 2011 21:52 Cheerio wrote:
13 terrans, 6 zergs, 5 protoss. This kinda corellates with the recent data on MU wins in Korea Yeah, Terrans dominating Code A ._. Not their fault they were massively the best players in it Like seriously, don't think there was one protoss that really impressed me in Code A this season :/
This. The top end terrans in code a are amazing players, some of the very best players in the world. the standard of play from protoss especially was mediocre at best.
I really hope huk doesn't come out intimidated and try to cheese whichever Terran he faces, like he did against MVP in the world champs. He has some chance against both mma And mkp, both are very beatable tvp.
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Has Huk commented what his plans are if he drops to code A again?
I think he could accomplish alot more outside of Korea...
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Loser has to place a lot of matches. Poor guy.
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On May 06 2011 22:14 Bagi wrote:
Has Huk commented what his plans are if he drops to code A again?
I think he could accomplish alot more outside of Korea...
I think he said, he will back if he drop to Code B
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On May 06 2011 21:59 Welmu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 21:52 Cheerio wrote:
13 terrans, 6 zergs, 5 protoss. This kinda corellates with the recent data on MU wins in Korea Yeah, Terrans dominating Code A ._.
Are you telling me you don't think bomber/ryung/mma/MVP deserve to dominate code A?
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HuK is definitely dead :-(
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dam i really feel sorry for Huk on this one glgl
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every group is a group of death...
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![[image loading]](http://i51.tinypic.com/4uv4zk.jpg)
I think Huk is mad.
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HuK's group is sick. Not counting him out tho, he got some good terrans to practice with.
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Haha, HuK is so code A.
Jinro should be able to stay in code S. If he doesn't, then maybe going through the code A torurnament will help him get back into his game.
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Anything can happen, MVP went down last season, so maybe Huk can make it.
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Jinro's TvZ has been historically his best match up. I think he'll be back in code S.
It's going to be rough for huk, but I belive he can win vs marineking. Maybe some double forge action ftw.
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Uh oh, Huk's group looks scary... Jinro should be favored to make it out, but MMA or MKP, with only one BO3 to decide it? Hopefully Huk is ready...
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My signature has never been more appropriate for Group F.
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On May 06 2011 23:10 holycrapitsTony wrote:
My signature has never been more appropriate for Group F.
lol
I'm actually surprised Bomber nor MVP picked TheWind. I guessed they promised that they are gonna practice TvT with each other or something.
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Why are people underestimating Huk? I think his group is of decent difficulty. Definitely winnable. Obviously they are no Choya(fou) type walkovers. It will just mean he'll have to try hard to win. Simple as that. There are very little "easy" opponents in progaming and if your goal is to become a champion it shouldnt matter who you face. All the bonjwas in korea were up and comers who had to face and defeat champions early in their career (flash beating bisu before he was known) and bisu rolling over Savior when Savior was dominating) . I hope and think Huk can do the same.
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On May 06 2011 22:14 Bagi wrote:
Has Huk commented what his plans are if he drops to code A again?
I think he could accomplish alot more outside of Korea...
When asked this question in an interview at I think Dreamhack he said that if he gets knocked down to code A, then drops out of code A, and then fails to qualify for the next code A, he would consider moving.
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This system is actually very flawed, because it favors the weakest players in Code S. The winner of Code A will likely pick the two worst players in Code S for an easy route, but then those two weak players get to fight over a spot in next seasons Code S. This probably gives them a better chance of getting back into code S then if they got a random group. Rain actually has a decent shot of making it into Code S again since he only has to take out Rainbow. He wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell in most of the other groups though 
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Ugh... Bomber Ensnare or Lyn won't make it out? That's a bit disappointing seeing some of the code S players. HuK's luck seems to have run out.
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On May 06 2011 23:29 Lann555 wrote:This system is actually very flawed, because it favors the weakest players in Code S. The winner of Code A will likely pick the two worst players in Code S for an easy route, but then those two weak players get to fight over a spot in next seasons Code S. This probably gives them a better chance of getting back into code S then if they got a random group. Rain actually has a decent shot of making it into Code S again since he only has to take out Rainbow. He wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell in most of the other groups though
How so? Each of the finalists can only pick ONE of the weakest players (which I define as 4th place in their group). It's the finalists rewards for getting to the end of Code A and depends entirely on who they want to pick, nothing would've stopped Bomber or Mvp from picking MKP, MC, Jinro, HuK etc.
Would you rather they have fully randomized drawings?
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No, they pick two players so the argument is valid.
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Huk need his A game for up and down. Wait, he needs to bring his S game
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I don't care I'm liquibetting Huk to victory!
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On May 06 2011 23:55 Chinchillin wrote:
I don't care I'm liquibetting Huk to victory!
ME TOO
Hukku!!!!
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Group A: Keen, TrickSteR, san
Group B: CoCa, Jinro, Zenio
Group C: aLive, Byun, Check
Group D: Ryung, MC, HongUn
Group E: MMA, MarineKing, Huk
Group F: viOlet, Kyrix, TheWind
Group G: MVP, Rain, Rainbow
Group H: Bomber, Lyn, Ensnare
Thats what I'm hoping for.
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HuK needs to ask Day9 to analyze his opponents over this weekend and help him out. If SangHo (Killer) could take out MMA then HuK probably has that chance also. Atleast the group wasn't MMA - Jinro, HuK
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Looks to me like MVP is going to be moving back up. I really, really want to see Ryung, MMA, Bomber, and Keen to get into Code S. Ryung/MMA/Bomber because all three are very solid players and Code S material and Keen because I want to see his ceremonies in Code S :D
If all my picks go through though there will be a glut of terrans in Code S.
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To be honest, the only two I can see almost guaranteed drop to Code A are HuK and TheWind. HuK finally drew some PvTs, but he got some tough ones (still could pull an upset).
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Yeah what ever PvT Huk gets is bad news, First he got MVP in WCs then this. I was hoping for a Rain/Huk group.
Tester is pass his time so he's probably going to Code A but i could see him winning a PvP off san.
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To be honest, the only two I can see almost guaranteed drop to Code A are HuK and TheWind. HuK finally drew some PvTs, but he got some tough ones (still could pull an upset).
How's TheWind guarenteed Code A, I'd fancy him to win one of those ZvZ's.
Huk's probably fucked though.
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rofl MVP has such an ez group - if he doesn't get back into code S I don't know what to say.
MC to code A plz...
Slayers and Bomber FIGHTING
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TheWind staying Code S would be so epic for the lulz. Fate doesn't want him to drop it seems
The only really positive thing about the unlucky group HuK got is, that maybe the hating will finally stop. What I mean is, that there are two options:
a) He wins: the crowd would go mad.
b) He loses: not that shameful of a loss, MMA and MKP are two extraordinary players.
HuK had to swallow some painful losses recently, maybe he can get into a "ah fuck it"-mentality, don't think too much about Code S, Code A, Code whatever and just try to play his best and most solid game. Even if he still loses, I think a good, solid performance would really help his mindset at this point. Then he can come back in the following season even stronger.
Not being able to play (and win) in "smaller" tournaments really seems to put pressure on the foreigners. I can remember several months ago when everyone was like "huh, what did IdrA really accomplish until now?". Once he was back he had the opportunity to build up confidence in smaller competitions to eventually win IPL. Not having those "smaller" tournaments is a really bad thing, even in real sports athletes need these tournaments for preparations. Just think about the grand slams, mostly those that perform well in the perparation tournaments do well in the grand slams too. If you get some self confidence by stomping nerds in a small tournament, I think this influences your performance greatly when it matters.
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Rough group for HuK, going to be rough to win, but at least he only has PvT to practice for. And, of course, even if he does get dropped to code A, he should still have enough points (I believe) to qualify for the super tournament.
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Rain, Huk and Check are definitely out of code S, it will be interesting how the other groups turn out, there's some pretty hardcore matchups going on
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Well, when it inevitably comes down to Rain vs Rainbow it's actually a tough call. People bash on Rain consistently because he uses the "all-in", but he's not a bad player. Unfortunately, what he's good at is a style not many appreciate, so he tried to play a more standard style which he isn't as good at.
Rainbow on the other hand is all over the place. Some days he's got that spark, but lately most days he just seems to barely scrape through.
I'll be putting my liquibet on Rain. He already knows what it's like to fall down and come back, so in a way his "experience" might count for it all in the match.
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FUUUUUUUUU Huk
this is your chance to show anyone what you're capable of. C'mon man, just one Bo3!
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Code S isn't a cakewalk. If Huk wanted to go anywhere in the GSL he has to prove he can go against players of that caliber. He shouldn't be mad he got the group he did. It was going to happen eventually.
Time to put up or shut up.
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Rain might FINALLY get knocked down into code A.
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On May 07 2011 00:58 meep wrote:
Rain might FINALLY get knocked down into code A.
"NuKedUFirst likes this."
Hope oGsThewind stays Code S and Rain drops down :D Huk gets thrown in the group of death for the lulz.
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Huk could beat MMA. I don't think he is out of it considering a lot of top Korean players consider him very highly. The question appears to be less about skill and more about comfort with dealing with the pressure of the situation. I think if Huk could zone in, then he could stand a very strong chance of moving on up.
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On May 07 2011 00:22 asdfTT123 wrote:
rofl MVP has such an ez group - if he doesn't get back into code S I don't know what to say.
MC to code A plz...
Slayers and Bomber FIGHTING
lol if MC goes down to code A, the world would probably end... consider he will be playing a PvP even if he lost his first match against ryung, which i personally dont think he will..
Huk need to practice hardcore PvT, its a tough group but its not impossible. will be fun to see mkp fall to code A next season, he may finally get a championship then , hahaha joke, o wait, mvp got only got second place , mkp....
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Welcome to Code A HuK : d
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On May 06 2011 20:10 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:08 Sandro wrote:
uggggh Rain is going to cheese Rainbow and he'll get an auto invite to code S once again fml
cant wait to see hongun out of code S Wouldn't count HongUn out tbh. He can take on both Ryung and MC in a Bo3.
lol? Hongun has San-like PvP.
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On May 07 2011 00:58 meep wrote:
Rain might FINALLY get knocked down into code A.
He was originally knocked down to Code A, then he came back.
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On May 07 2011 00:58 meep wrote:
Rain might FINALLY get knocked down into code A.
He has already been there and came back. :p
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Huk better hope MMA wins the first match or else he's dead. I give him 50/50 vs MKP but 0% vs MMA in BO3.
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On May 07 2011 01:24 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:10 Fyzar wrote:On May 06 2011 20:08 Sandro wrote:
uggggh Rain is going to cheese Rainbow and he'll get an auto invite to code S once again fml
cant wait to see hongun out of code S Wouldn't count HongUn out tbh. He can take on both Ryung and MC in a Bo3. lol? Hongun has San-like PvP.
It's not so much that Hongun can't do PvP well, it's that he hates doing conventional builds - and in PvP against MC, that attitude will kill you very, very quickly.
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poor Huk, was hoping he might get a zerg. But at least both Jinro and Huk only needs to practice for one MU.
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Group A: Keen, TrickSteR, san
Group B: CoCa, Jinro, Zenio
Group C: aLive, Byun, Check
Group D: Ryung, MC, HongUn
Group E: MMA, MarineKing, Huk
Group F: viOlet, Kyrix, TheWind
Group G: MVP, Rain, Rainbow
Group H: Bomber, Lyn, Ensnare
Went with my guy feeling and as someone who isn't a huk fan I am surprised I picked him to win over MKP.
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On May 06 2011 21:14 raf3776 wrote:
wow poor huk. I hope hes working on his PvT
Edit: actually MMA isnt THAT impressive and marinekings TvP isnt anything much lately. But its still not 2 pushovers but its not like facing MVP and MC in the same group
guess you didnt watch gstl? mma loss in code a because bomber is sick.
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honestly i see huk beating one of the two players. he has beat MKP on ladder many times (granted its ladder) but pvt is always a good matchup for huk. only downside is it is against Mkp and MMA...both of which are top 4 terran imo in the world right now (along with bomber and mvp). also, jinrownage returns??
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oh jeez... Huk's got a really really tough group :/
but looks like MVP will be back pretty easily
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On May 07 2011 00:07 skrzmark wrote:
HuK needs to ask Day9 to analyze his opponents over this weekend and help him out. If SangHo (Killer) could take out MMA then HuK probably has that chance also. Atleast the group wasn't MMA - Jinro, HuK
You're comparing SangHo to Huk? I'm not trying to insult Huk, but they aren't on the same level. Or at least if they are, Huk hasn't demonstrated it yet.
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If Huk makes it out of his group, Incontrol will eat his family.
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On May 07 2011 00:07 skrzmark wrote:
HuK needs to ask Day9 to analyze his opponents over this weekend and help him out. If SangHo (Killer) could take out MMA then HuK probably has that chance also. Atleast the group wasn't MMA - Jinro, HuK
SangHo is like 10 times better than HuK dude.. I'll be surprised if he's still in code a after next season to be honest.
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Ezze u have no idea what you are talking about. You dont have the credibility to rank the pros as you see fit.
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On May 07 2011 02:54 jacobmarlow wrote:
Ezze u have no idea what you are talking about. You dont have the credibility to rank the pros as you see fit.
Perhaps 10x is a completely arbitrary statement, but being honest in the facts here. Sangho (who is not a "great" player by any means) is ELO ranked 30th, HuK is 80th - the lowest ranked Code S player I believe. Sangho is just over 50% in winrate, HuK is at 36%. HuK definitely is the underdog here.
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Keep in mind Huk's admitted WORST matchup atm is PvT.
Should be fun!
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i must say jinro got a pretty good draw
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On May 07 2011 03:00 EMCL wrote:
Keep in mind Huk's admitted WORST matchup atm is PvT.
Should be fun!
So his only good matchup is PvZ? Lolz
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well played gsl, putting 3 zergs in same group so at least 2 can make it out to code S, well played:D.
jokes aside, i really like groups, might be some exciting games:d
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Someone knows why he reacted so bad against gomtv?
Huk Twitter
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Well HuK, it looks like your free GSL invite can only get you so far. You wouldn't have even come close to earning that place if you had to go through the qualifiers like the other Korean competitors did.
It's finally time for the guy with the "top 3 control in the world" to get the fuck out of Korea.
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On May 07 2011 03:18 0001001000 wrote:
Well HuK, it looks like your free GSL invite can only get you so far. You wouldn't have even come close to earning that place if you had to go through the qualifiers like the other Korean competitors did.
It's finally time for the guy with the "top 3 control in the world" to get the fuck out of Korea.
Someone is so mad they made an account just to flame HuK.
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On May 07 2011 03:20 Clicker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 03:18 0001001000 wrote:
Well HuK, it looks like your free GSL invite can only get you so far. You wouldn't have even come close to earning that place if you had to go through the qualifiers like the other Korean competitors did.
It's finally time for the guy with the "top 3 control in the world" to get the fuck out of Korea. Someone is so mad they made an account just to flame HuK.
Does it really count as flaming if everything I said is true?
Who knows, maybe he would be better now if he didn't 4 gate literally every single game during the beta, but instead actually tried to improve over those many months.
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On May 07 2011 03:23 0001001000 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 03:20 Clicker wrote:On May 07 2011 03:18 0001001000 wrote:
Well HuK, it looks like your free GSL invite can only get you so far. You wouldn't have even come close to earning that place if you had to go through the qualifiers like the other Korean competitors did.
It's finally time for the guy with the "top 3 control in the world" to get the fuck out of Korea. Someone is so mad they made an account just to flame HuK. Does it really count as flaming if everything I said is true? Who knows, maybe he would be better now if he didn't 4 gate literally every single game during the beta, but instead actually tried to improve over those many months.
If you're spewing out 'truths', post on your own account?
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On May 07 2011 03:18 0001001000 wrote:
Well HuK, it looks like your free GSL invite can only get you so far. You wouldn't have even come close to earning that place if you had to go through the qualifiers like the other Korean competitors did.
It's finally time for the guy with the "top 3 control in the world" to get the fuck out of Korea.
Holy shit, I laughed so hard when i read this. Still you shouldn't disrespect people like that.
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(edit: wrong topic)
anw, regarding the up/down, sad to see huk in such tough group.
i'm rooting to see MC and Tester retain their code S spot. not easy group for them but as long as they play their standard game, i dun see MC or Tester going down
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Can't see HuK making it out of his group.
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Group A: Keen, TrickSteR, san
Group B: CoCa, Jinro, Zenio
Group C: aLive, Byun, Check
Group D: Ryung, MC, HongUn
Group E: MMA, MarineKing, Huk
Group F: viOlet, Kyrix, TheWind
Group G: MVP, Rain, Rainbow
Group H: Bomber, Lyn, Ensnare
Group A: Keen has a chance, he played decent in a few games and took a game off MVP, but with two REALLY good protoss, i dunno man, just seems too hard.
Group B: CoCa and Jinro, Zenio hasnt impressed me lately, plain and simple.
Group C: aLive played sick, and Byun has always been an okay player. Check has been mediocre at best lately, thats why i didn't pick him.
Group D: Ryung is SUPER sick, if he ends up beating MC he will beat HongUn. If he ends up losing to MC, MC will beat HongUn.
Group E: This group is MMA vs MarineKingPrime unfortunately, I really do not think Huk has a chance in this group.
Group F: viOlet played some good ZVZ's in Code A. I'm not really sure about Kyrix or TheWind, but I think since TheWind is a coach he will be eliminated this time.
Group G: MVP sure picked a good group, im almost 100% sure he is going to annihilate Rain. I think Rainbow is better than Rain and i'm more of a fan of him aswell.
Group H: Bomber picked a great group too, he's definitely going to beat Lyn. His TvT is just way too good, and i just have a feeling ensnare will take it.
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OH!! noes Huk too bad tough group, Jinro is going to destroy though.
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On May 07 2011 03:39 DannyJ wrote:
Huk is beyond screwed
Nah, Huk's getting another free pass to Code A from GOMtv; ah the joy!
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HuK . Sorry dude, that's like the hardest group. Jinro's is winnable.
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What a beast group Huk Has.. either way im excited to see him play in Whatever league
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The guy I would least want to be is HongUn; at least Huk knows he's got Terran coming, HongUn has to prepare for MC or Ryung.
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Ouch.... could Huk get any unluckier
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Huk's reaction on twitter pretty much sums up how screwed he is.
I'd like to see him make it through though.
Now time to sit back and watch the games... finally after 8 months.
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Group E will be painful to watch
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Huk definitely has his work cut out for him haha.
Looking forward to Ryung vs MC, should be an awesome game!
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I've seen huk win a TvT vs MKP maybe he'd have a better chance rolling Terran.
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Disappointed that either Rain or Rainbow will still be Code S, neither of them deserve it.
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Huk has a tough group but only one matchup to prepare for, still think its doable. Huk can pull it off
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Would be funny if huk actually made it out of his group despite everyone counting him out, although I doubt it.
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I think Huk could possibly make it out he will just need some luck and quite a bit of preparation. At least he knows that no matter what he just has to work on his PvT which will make it easier for him to train for those up coming matches.
Even if he does he knocked down Code A it is starting to blossom in to a league where there are quite a bit of good matches with the strong new players and the old players that overflow in to Code A because Code S is so jam packed with talent.
PS lolol @ Huk's twitter.
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Oh wow, Huk is in big trouble. At least it's his best matchup, so it's possible, but damn...
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Man, HuK has such bad luck when it comes to his groups. Good luck!
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Group A hard to call. Jinro definitely has a good chance to make it out especially since he only has to prepare TvZ. Hoping HongUn drops down as MC and Ryung are much more exciting players to watch. Huk couldn't have drawn a worse group both in difficulty and entertainment. I enjoy MKs and MMAs games a lot more than Huks.
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Jinro has a great chance which I am happy about. I feel bad for HuK though. BUT, MKP has been flailing a bit lately and making mistakes he shouldn't even though he is one of the best in the world. Shit happens in Up/Down matches
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omg, why the GSL hate Huk so much? D: If MMA beats MKP, I dont know who to cheer for...
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Seems like a sign that jinro and huk should just go back to EU and NA to play in foreigner tournaments ;D which is alright cause we have some good tournaments!
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Those hours on facebook are gonna pull HuK through the group you watch.
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Uh Huk your group seems tough, will be cheering for you!
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Too bad for HuK. He has a shot, but its a tough group. Groups A and D look to be the hardest groups, and group F is probably the easiest (though, with G and H, that'll depend on how well the players perform - RainBOw, Kyrix, Lyn, and the others have all shown mostly inconsistency, great play sometimes, awful play others.)
Good news for Jinro, Zenio and CoCa aren't walkovers but they aren't monsters either, and he only has one matchup to practice for.
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Jinro's group doesn't seem too bad hope he makes it through .
Don't think huk will make it through lol thats got too be one hard group.
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On May 07 2011 04:21 WArped wrote:
Man, HuK has such bad luck when it comes to his groups. Good luck!
What? Did you see how he got to code S in the first place?
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I really hope HuK can bring his A game this the Up & Down matches.
Rooting for you Huk .
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LOL @ people giving up hope on Huk.
Huk is going come out of his group and come back to Code S easily 2-0. Tag this post!!
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id love to see idra in the gsl tbh, when he isnt getting cheesed he just storms the ladder, and im thinking he could go 9-0 in his nasl group
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On May 07 2011 04:58 Vewin wrote:I really hope HuK can bring his A game this the Up & Down matches. Rooting for you Huk .
No...he will need to bring his S game.
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On May 07 2011 05:01 ShcShc wrote:
LOL @ people giving up hope on Huk.
Huk is going come out of his group and come back to Code S easily 2-0. Tag this post!!
It's one thing to be confident and hopeful for a player you're a fan of, but saying that he's going to "easily 2-0" anyone in his group is absurd.
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Really hoping for HuK! He really got a hard group though, let's just hope his PvT is up to date when the matches are played..
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Jinros got this. No one in thta group should be able to stop him. :D
Huks group..... man thats unfair. I hope he makes it back to Code S but its just so unlikely.
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Don't think Huk realistically has a way out of this one.
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Damn Group D is super unfortunate
I even feel a bit bad for G and H... I don't want Rainbow to drop down to Code A, and I don't hate Rain like so many others do. I don't really care for Lyn, but he is border line Code S, and ensnare and bomber are Code S material.
Lol, if Ryung can take out MC, HongUn can possibly beat MC since it's PvP... heheh xD
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ohhhh *** HuK. Best of luck!
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mvp and bombers picks confuse me a bit.
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Not the most professional tweet by HuK. IMO he really doesn't have any right to complain considering his Code A bracket was relatively weak (compared to the other foreigners', especially). But yeah, I called that his luck would likely run out in the up/down and get stuck with some elite players. Also a bit funny that his previous tweet was "WHY DIDNT YOU PICK ME MVP?//" as a joke then he actually gets stuck with a beastly group... So it's not looking good for HuK but Jinro stands a good chance.
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On May 07 2011 05:26 beat farm wrote:
mvp and bombers picks confuse me a bit.
I'd say they both picked TvT because it's easiest to 'cash in' on the skill differential in a mirror, and aggressive all-ins are nullified to a large extent by playing safe. And Rain/Rainbow/Lyn and Ensnare are definately the weaker terrans in up/down.
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Group A: Keen, TrickSteR, san
Group B: CoCa, Jinro, Zenio
Group C: aLive, Byun, Check
Group D: Ryung, MC, HongUn
Group E: MMA, MarineKing, Huk
Group F: viOlet, Kyrix, TheWind
Group G: MVP, Rain, Rainbow
Group H: Bomber, Lyn, Ensnare
I really hope Huk proves me wrong! I wasnt so impressed with Bombers play, he has nice macro and technical moves, but his positioning and strategical moves arent as strong, in my opinion. I dont know if Rainbow can hold off cheese? If the game goes past 13 minutes, Im sure Rainbow will win though.
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feel sorry for huk
mma and mkp are beasts!
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I lol'd when I realized this:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VkBYL.jpg)
Did MVP intentionally pick names with "Rain" in it?
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I don't understand why so many people are predicting HongUn over Ryung in group D, Ryung has a reputation as a TvT sniper, but he's not a one-dimensional player or something. I'm sure Cella is going to help him prepare some truly devastating TvP builds in preparation for Up & Downs. Personally I don't think HongUn is going to have a chance, but that's my opinion.
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On May 07 2011 05:26 beat farm wrote:
mvp and bombers picks confuse me a bit.
MVP: Won his 2 GSL championships in TvTs, is most accomplished Terran player in GSL
Bomber: Just rolled through Code A and won a Bo7 against MVP
What Terrans in Code S up-and-down are scarier to face than MVP and Bomber? Makes perfect sense that they would choose TvTs. Also, having to practice for just one match-up gives you a leg up in efficiency (and considering MVP and Bomber have been practicing non-stop TvT already for the Code A finals, they're already in tip-top training shape for that match-up).
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On May 07 2011 05:46 FragRaptor wrote:I lol'd when I realized this: Did MVP intentionally pick names with "Rain" in it?
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Looks like a really tough group for Huk. Hope he makes it but I dont think he will. Jinro's tvz seems pretty solid and I cant see him losing to Zenio if it gets to that.
Gl to both foreigners. Group H looks like the group of death to me but just my opinion. Ensnare might be in Code unluckily, but its hard to predict.
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On May 07 2011 05:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Damn Group D is super unfortunate I even feel a bit bad for G and H... I don't want Rainbow to drop down to Code A, and I don't hate Rain like so many others do. I don't really care for Lyn, but he is border line Code S, and ensnare and bomber are Code S material. Lol, if Ryung can take out MC, HongUn can possibly beat MC since it's PvP... heheh xD
lol have we been watching the same GSL? As I recall, in their last GSL meeting MC rolled over Hong-Un. Hong-Un either doesn't 4-gate or executes it poorly: either way, I find it unlikely he'll beat MC. Has Hong-Un ever showed off an impressive PvP series in GSL? Last time he played MC he went for a 1 gate DT build XD; unless he's improved drastically I don't feel optimistic about his chances.
Then again, in a Bo1 anything can happen.
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i want MMA & Ryung in CodeS
MMA vs HuK is a tough one
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a bit off topic but still GSL related. I think Nada is going to win GSL because whoever defeats MarineKingPrime in the GSL has won the GSL
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On May 07 2011 05:52 Snaphoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 05:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Damn Group D is super unfortunate I even feel a bit bad for G and H... I don't want Rainbow to drop down to Code A, and I don't hate Rain like so many others do. I don't really care for Lyn, but he is border line Code S, and ensnare and bomber are Code S material. Lol, if Ryung can take out MC, HongUn can possibly beat MC since it's PvP... heheh xD lol have we been watching the same GSL? As I recall, in their last GSL meeting MC rolled over Hong-Un. Hong-Un either doesn't 4-gate or executes it poorly: either way, I find it unlikely he'll beat MC. Has Hong-Un ever showed off an impressive PvP series in GSL? Last time he played MC he went for a 1 gate DT build XD; unless he's improved drastically I don't feel optimistic about his chances. Then again, in a Bo1 anything can happen.
People seem to think that 'PvP is unstable" is always valid. MC and InCa have ridiculous win rates vs Protoss. Also, the up/down matches are Bo3.
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NOOOOO My top 3 are all in group E
One must go down :'(
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Good luck Huk i wish the best for you in your group
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On May 07 2011 05:53 skrzmark wrote:
a bit off topic but still GSL related. I think Nada is going to win GSL because whoever defeats MarineKingPrime in the GSL has won the GSL
that wasn't true last season.
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On May 07 2011 06:03 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 05:53 skrzmark wrote:
a bit off topic but still GSL related. I think Nada is going to win GSL because whoever defeats MarineKingPrime in the GSL has won the GSL that wasn't true last season.
MC still beat him before though hasn't he?
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Huk got lucky, idk what you guys are talking about. The fact that he has to prepare for one MU is huge, and it helps it's those two players weakest MU as well
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Huk is gonna practice for 18 hours a day against terran . then he will be fine HUK FIGHTING . never give up . GO CAnAdA
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On May 07 2011 05:55 Kantutan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 05:52 Snaphoo wrote:On May 07 2011 05:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Damn Group D is super unfortunate I even feel a bit bad for G and H... I don't want Rainbow to drop down to Code A, and I don't hate Rain like so many others do. I don't really care for Lyn, but he is border line Code S, and ensnare and bomber are Code S material. Lol, if Ryung can take out MC, HongUn can possibly beat MC since it's PvP... heheh xD lol have we been watching the same GSL? As I recall, in their last GSL meeting MC rolled over Hong-Un. Hong-Un either doesn't 4-gate or executes it poorly: either way, I find it unlikely he'll beat MC. Has Hong-Un ever showed off an impressive PvP series in GSL? Last time he played MC he went for a 1 gate DT build XD; unless he's improved drastically I don't feel optimistic about his chances. Then again, in a Bo1 anything can happen. People seem to think that 'PvP is unstable" is always valid. MC and InCa have ridiculous win rates vs Protoss. Also, the up/down matches are Bo3.
QFT. PvP is not a unstable matchup. It has a lot of fundamentals that reward EXTREMELY crisp execution and perfect micro. Even if Ryung did beat MC, MC will not lose to HongUn. MC has execution and micro down to the point where if you took most masters players who can execute the standard 4wg, MC would still win even though the other player had the ramp advantage because his 4wg comes earlier because of all the little things he does like stacking close minerals, and perfect timings, in addition to impeccable micro.
I feel really sorry for Huk though, he really would've had a better chance if MVP had picked him. Huk is leagues better than Rain.
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why does huk say on his twitter, "why didnt you pick me mvp?". is he confident that he can beat mvp easily?
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On May 07 2011 06:26 Sayril wrote:
why does huk say on his twitter, "why didnt you pick me mvp?". is he confident that he can beat mvp easily?
No, he's confident that MVP would beat Rain, so that would mean Rain would face him next.
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Oh no...
Poor huk, he just got there too
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Marine king takes 2nd for group E.
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On May 07 2011 06:23 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 05:55 Kantutan wrote:On May 07 2011 05:52 Snaphoo wrote:On May 07 2011 05:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Damn Group D is super unfortunate I even feel a bit bad for G and H... I don't want Rainbow to drop down to Code A, and I don't hate Rain like so many others do. I don't really care for Lyn, but he is border line Code S, and ensnare and bomber are Code S material. Lol, if Ryung can take out MC, HongUn can possibly beat MC since it's PvP... heheh xD lol have we been watching the same GSL? As I recall, in their last GSL meeting MC rolled over Hong-Un. Hong-Un either doesn't 4-gate or executes it poorly: either way, I find it unlikely he'll beat MC. Has Hong-Un ever showed off an impressive PvP series in GSL? Last time he played MC he went for a 1 gate DT build XD; unless he's improved drastically I don't feel optimistic about his chances. Then again, in a Bo1 anything can happen. People seem to think that 'PvP is unstable" is always valid. MC and InCa have ridiculous win rates vs Protoss. Also, the up/down matches are Bo3. QFT. PvP is not a unstable matchup. It has a lot of fundamentals that reward EXTREMELY crisp execution and perfect micro. Even if Ryung did beat MC, MC will not lose to HongUn. MC has execution and micro down to the point where if you took most masters players who can execute the standard 4wg, MC would still win even though the other player had the ramp advantage because his 4wg comes earlier because of all the little things he does like stacking close minerals, and perfect timings, in addition to impeccable micro. I feel really sorry for Huk though, he really would've had a better chance if MVP had picked him. Huk is leagues better than Rain.
No, PvP is more about mind games and taking risks.
Every mid to high level master player can _perfectly_ execute a 4gate build wise.
The question in PvP is how much more risk you're willing to take and how you tailor your build.
There is the option that both just go for a 4gate and the one with the better micro wins, but that's more a sign of a past.
If both execute a 4gate, the one attacking up the ramp loses if the one on top doesn't fail hilariously. PvP is evolving, slowly, but it is.
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Thing is, I know HuK can possibly make it out of his group.
Thing is, I don't know if I want him to...
I love MMA AND MKP!!!! and HuK is awesome too, I really want him to succeed....
AHHH I HATE YOU GOMTV
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Do we have dates on when these matches are happening?
Edit: lol... the image wasn't sized right for my browser and there wasn't anything in the text. :p
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Huk, MMA, MKP. Intense. I have to gamble against Huk--what a short run in Code S.
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On May 07 2011 06:43 Fighter wrote:
Do we have dates on when these matches are happening?
Can you read?
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On May 07 2011 06:43 Fighter wrote:
Do we have dates on when these matches are happening?
Yes.
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Huk is soooo dead. Pretty sad for him. Maybe he should just go back to the west and play those torunaments. For jinro its going to be close.
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On May 07 2011 06:17 1Eris1 wrote:
Huk got lucky, idk what you guys are talking about. The fact that he has to prepare for one MU is huge, and it helps it's those two players weakest MU as well
yep incredibly lucky - with people like check, who has god awful shit ZvP, Trickster who has been in a slump since beta, TheWind who plays maybe 3 hours a day, Hongun who is god awful as well and ... to top it all off, Rain who is Code B material - to face either of 2 of the best Terrans in a BO1.
so goddamn lucky
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predictions:
a) keen and san
b) jinro and zenio
c) alive and byun
d) MC and ryung
e) MKP and MMA
f) violet and kyrix
g) MVP and rainbow
h) bomber and ensnare
huk got stuck in the most impossible group ever, lol. i'm really hoping for keen to get out of code A but he got 2 difficult toss players
the ryung-hongun-MC group should be fun to watch
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well huk atleast didnt get pvp. he should be happy. cant get everything you want. he needs to step it up.
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On May 07 2011 07:05 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 06:17 1Eris1 wrote:
Huk got lucky, idk what you guys are talking about. The fact that he has to prepare for one MU is huge, and it helps it's those two players weakest MU as well yep incredibly lucky - with people like check, who has god awful shit ZvP, Trickster who has been in a slump since beta, TheWind who plays maybe 3 hours a day, Hongun who is god awful as well and ... to top it all off, Rain who is Code B material - to face either of 2 of the best Terrans in a BO1. so goddamn lucky
It's BO3 isn't it?
And MMA TvP is really not that good, he lost to SangHo in the last code A season, so HuK has a good chance if MKP beat MMA.
MKP's TvP is not his best MU but he probably can beat any protoss, but he is not regular so it's hard to predict.
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I wonder why people always say that Tester is "in a slump?" He's been Code S for 3 consecutive series and has two top 8 finishes. I understand he did not qualify for 2 GSLs but I really don't see a slump. He has had bad performances, his match against sCfou comes to mind...but he's a pro and undoubtedly a top 15 Protoss, I would think.
On the other hand, maybe he has not lived up to his lofty expectations during the beta and people expect more of him. Maybe his true talent level hasn't been shown, but what he has shown is pretty good.
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HuK's in the the death group. Great. I hope his PvT is up to Par at the moment.
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On May 07 2011 07:29 Traven wrote:
HuK's in the the death group. Great. I hope his PvT is up to Par at the moment.
It's not the group of death, it has HuK. D is much scarier.
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On May 07 2011 07:05 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 06:17 1Eris1 wrote:
Huk got lucky, idk what you guys are talking about. The fact that he has to prepare for one MU is huge, and it helps it's those two players weakest MU as well yep incredibly lucky - with people like check, who has god awful shit ZvP, Trickster who has been in a slump since beta, TheWind who plays maybe 3 hours a day, Hongun who is god awful as well and ... to top it all off, Rain who is Code B material - to face either of 2 of the best Terrans in a BO1. so goddamn lucky
lol you act like Huk deserves to be in Code S. sorry bro he's going back where he belongs.
aside from his ro16 matchup in GSL March against SC Tester has had strong showings in each GSL he's been in. his PvT looked unstoppable against Ensnare and he's only in the up and downs because of how random and unforgiving PvP is. TheWind is a coach and is probably one of the most intelligent players in GSL and has showed flashes of brilliance like his match against San in GSL March. if Hongun is god awful what exactly does that make Huk then? Hongun has been one of the more consistent Protoss players since GSL Open 1. Rain has a GSL finals appearance which is more than Huk will ever accomplish in his career.
Check is bad, I'll give you that.
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On May 07 2011 06:23 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 05:55 Kantutan wrote:On May 07 2011 05:52 Snaphoo wrote:On May 07 2011 05:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Damn Group D is super unfortunate I even feel a bit bad for G and H... I don't want Rainbow to drop down to Code A, and I don't hate Rain like so many others do. I don't really care for Lyn, but he is border line Code S, and ensnare and bomber are Code S material. Lol, if Ryung can take out MC, HongUn can possibly beat MC since it's PvP... heheh xD lol have we been watching the same GSL? As I recall, in their last GSL meeting MC rolled over Hong-Un. Hong-Un either doesn't 4-gate or executes it poorly: either way, I find it unlikely he'll beat MC. Has Hong-Un ever showed off an impressive PvP series in GSL? Last time he played MC he went for a 1 gate DT build XD; unless he's improved drastically I don't feel optimistic about his chances. Then again, in a Bo1 anything can happen. People seem to think that 'PvP is unstable" is always valid. MC and InCa have ridiculous win rates vs Protoss. Also, the up/down matches are Bo3. QFT. PvP is not a unstable matchup. It has a lot of fundamentals that reward EXTREMELY crisp execution and perfect micro. Even if Ryung did beat MC, MC will not lose to HongUn. MC has execution and micro down to the point where if you took most masters players who can execute the standard 4wg, MC would still win even though the other player had the ramp advantage because his 4wg comes earlier because of all the little things he does like stacking close minerals, and perfect timings, in addition to impeccable micro. I feel really sorry for Huk though, he really would've had a better chance if MVP had picked him. Huk is leagues better than Rain.
Lol'd, quit throwing around the word 'trolling' over every little thing. If you actually went ahead and read my post correctly you would've noticed that I stated 'PvP is unstable' is still the general consensus of most fans as well as plenty of progamers, however there are certain players who have mastered it such as MC and InCa. Thanks.
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On May 06 2011 20:12 TheSilverfox wrote:
oGsTheWind = Forever Code S? It's a possibility...
He shouldn't make it out of his group. Violet had surprisingly good ZvZ,
Kyrix has always had good (early) ZvZ, but he never seems to play for the long game in Zvz.
Also after OgsTheWinds performance vs Supernova where he blatantly let Supernova win. I hope he is eliminated from the tournament.
+ Show Spoiler +What TheWind did just made no since from any standpoint. He held a push from Supernova, then decided to make a huge army, then didn't attack or expand even once he reached maxed, he also didn't use his army advantage to prevent Supernova from expanding. A long time bw mind like his wouldn't falter like that under pressure, it was calculated to lose.
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On May 07 2011 07:38 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:12 TheSilverfox wrote:
oGsTheWind = Forever Code S? It's a possibility... He shouldn't make it out of his group. Violet had surprisingly good ZvZ, Kyrix has always had good (early) ZvZ, but he never seems to play for the long game in Zvz. Also after OgsTheWinds performance vs Supernova where he blatantly let Supernova win. I hope he is eliminated from the tournament. + Show Spoiler +What TheWind did just made no since from any standpoint. He held a push from Supernova, then decided to make a huge army, then didn't attack or expand even once he reached maxed, he also didn't use his army advantage to prevent Supernova from expanding. A long time bw mind like his wouldn't falter like that under pressure, it was calculated to lose.
Are people really mad that the Coach let his players beat him? lol
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Pretty sure Huks gonna be back in code a =(
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On May 07 2011 07:47 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:38 Cyanocyst wrote:On May 06 2011 20:12 TheSilverfox wrote:
oGsTheWind = Forever Code S? It's a possibility... He shouldn't make it out of his group. Violet had surprisingly good ZvZ, Kyrix has always had good (early) ZvZ, but he never seems to play for the long game in Zvz. Also after OgsTheWinds performance vs Supernova where he blatantly let Supernova win. I hope he is eliminated from the tournament. + Show Spoiler +What TheWind did just made no since from any standpoint. He held a push from Supernova, then decided to make a huge army, then didn't attack or expand even once he reached maxed, he also didn't use his army advantage to prevent Supernova from expanding. A long time bw mind like his wouldn't falter like that under pressure, it was calculated to lose. Are people really mad that the Coach let his players beat him? lol
yes. Considering the match fixing history in Starcraft, I'd say it's a big deal.
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Also after OgsTheWinds performance vs Supernova where he blatantly let Supernova win. I hope he is eliminated from the tournament.
why would he let supernova win? just curious.
edit: so that ogs team member goes thru? thats absurd, if he had beaten supernova it would've been 1-1 for all players and he would get a chance to take revenge on MC (who arogantly picked him and then cannon rushed him)
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Man i hope Ryungs TvP is as awesome as his TvT; and HuK's group is looking pretty solid, MK and MMA are two really strong Terrans..
I'd be surprised if Jinro doesn't retain Code S and as for TheWind - lol i doubt he'll ever be a full time coach at this rate
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Huk needs to pull a miracle to get out of that group... MMA is so scary.
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On May 07 2011 07:29 Traven wrote:
HuK's in the the death group. Great. I hope his PvT is up to Par at the moment.
That's no group of death, huk will lose easily. Group of death is clearly group D. Hongun is going to visit Code A apparently, MC is too good at PvP
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I honestly don't think HuK could have made it out of just about any of the groups anyway. =/
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Too bad MMA and MKP have top two control in the world, if only they had top fourth or fifth control T.T
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On May 07 2011 07:38 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:12 TheSilverfox wrote:
oGsTheWind = Forever Code S? It's a possibility... He shouldn't make it out of his group. Violet had surprisingly good ZvZ, Kyrix has always had good (early) ZvZ, but he never seems to play for the long game in Zvz. Also after OgsTheWinds performance vs Supernova where he blatantly let Supernova win. I hope he is eliminated from the tournament. + Show Spoiler +What TheWind did just made no since from any standpoint. He held a push from Supernova, then decided to make a huge army, then didn't attack or expand even once he reached maxed, he also didn't use his army advantage to prevent Supernova from expanding. A long time bw mind like his wouldn't falter like that under pressure, it was calculated to lose.
There has been bad play before in the GSL which has made no sense. Accusing the coach of match fixing is a pretty big insult and accusation. It really seems like an unfair and unfortunate statement to make without any proof.
There could be any number of reasons he played poorly (such as not having time to practice) that choosing the one that reflects so poorly on the Wind is pretty lame.
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My hopes:
Keen and San (Keen has won my heart with his ceremonies, and is an extremely powerful player. However, it will be quite scary for him, as his only showing in TvP so far is his game vs. banbassu, who is not a huge name in himself. Tester, however is underperforming, and without storm, San needs time to readjust his strategies, so I think he has a good chance in this group. Who will survive between Tester and San will truly come down to who wins the first game. If trickster wins, without storm [the basis of San's PvT and PvZ], he will lose to Keen's solid play. If Keen wins, however, San will probably win in a PvP, seeing has he's one of the few that has taken a game off of MC in PvP in a convincing fashion, and the only one to match and beat MC in a straight up 4-gate vs. 4-gate.
Jinro and Zenio (I'm a big fan of oGs, so that's where my biase comes in... I also don't see coca as a hugely solid player. He took down squirtle who's been seriously underperforming, and Noblesse, who's a largely untested name from a up-and-coming team. He's good, but according to Jinro, Zenio is an oGs ace, and I don't think CoCa comes to that level)
Alive and Byun (Kind of a subpar group here, TBH... Alive is solid, Byun is solid, Check is not, and so I really don't have a preference here, I just know that Check is not getting out)
MC and Ryung (MC is MC, and Ryung is one of the Slayers Terran Beasts... Even if Ryung can take down MC, there's almost no way MC's gonna lose to HongUn. However, I'm not sure about Ryung's chances vs. Hongun, so if MC beats Ryung like he probably will, HongUn has a chance to make it out of the group, albeit a slim one.)
MMA and MarineKingPrime (Sorry Huk, but once you improve and are code S material again, I will root for you as hard as I can!)
Violet and TheWind (His game vs, san was AMAZING... And I just never liked Kyrix)
MVP and Rain (Rainbow's play has been so bad, and I don't mind Rain as much as many other players)
Bomber and Lyn (Ensnare's play has also been subpar since his win against NesTea)
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Huk is in code a.
San Trickster
Jinro Zenio
Alive Byun
MC Ryung
MMA MKP
Violet Kyrix
MVP Rainbow
Bomber Ensnare
Those should be the winners of the groups. Shocked there ended up being an all zerg group (how are these decided again?)
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Poor Huk... Still, at least it isn't PvP.
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I hope HuK enjoyed his Code S run ;_;
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I don't think HuK's chances are as bad as everyone's making them out to be. Certainly, MMA and MKP are powerful opponents, but it's just a BO3 and HuK's not chopped liver. If he figures out some nice builds, I think it'll be a great series. Up and Down should be excellent this time around.
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At least Huk has two Terrans, easier to practice for. Maybe he can exploit some weakness in MMA...
He'd have a much harder time against MKP though.
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wow HuK got the group of death this time...
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On May 06 2011 20:09 darmousseh wrote:
Groups in order of difficulty
1. D
2. E
3. A
4. C
5. H
6. F
7. G
8. B
Predictions
A: san and trickster
B: coca and jinro
C. alive and byun
D. MC and hungun
E. MKP and Huk
F. Violet and Kyrix
G. MVP and Rainbow
H. Bomber and Ensnare.
You think HuK is gonna make it? Idk about MMA's and MKP's TvP but i dont know, still hope HuK wins!!
I <3 MVP and Bomber for picking TvT's !!
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I too thought HuK was over-rated due to his televised games lately, then I saw his streamed game against NaDa, where HuK just tore NaDa apart. I was very impressed. I hope HuK proves everyone wrong and comes out alive in this group. It will be tough.
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On May 07 2011 09:31 mmofry wrote:
I too thought HuK was over-rated due to his televised games lately, then I saw his streamed game against NaDa, where HuK just tore NaDa apart. I was very impressed. I hope HuK proves everyone wrong and comes out alive in this group. It will be tough.
This is usually the problem with HuK. Incredibly skilled...on ladder. He completely falls apart on the gomtv stage.
Really he just needs to overcome his problem with nerves and I think he'll be Code S material no problem.
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Gosh, I feel bad that there could be no foreign representation in the GSL. Feels like Koreans/ foreigners have truly segregated.
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For HuK it all comes down to how he plays. If he plays his A game, and doesn't get any problems with nerves or the like I see him taking out MMA np. MKP is a different story, but I don't see MMA beating him anyway.
I think HuK can make it out.
also, oGsTheWind, most skilled coach or luckiest coach ever?
I'd go for skilled.
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On May 07 2011 05:55 Kantutan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 05:52 Snaphoo wrote:On May 07 2011 05:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Damn Group D is super unfortunate I even feel a bit bad for G and H... I don't want Rainbow to drop down to Code A, and I don't hate Rain like so many others do. I don't really care for Lyn, but he is border line Code S, and ensnare and bomber are Code S material. Lol, if Ryung can take out MC, HongUn can possibly beat MC since it's PvP... heheh xD lol have we been watching the same GSL? As I recall, in their last GSL meeting MC rolled over Hong-Un. Hong-Un either doesn't 4-gate or executes it poorly: either way, I find it unlikely he'll beat MC. Has Hong-Un ever showed off an impressive PvP series in GSL? Last time he played MC he went for a 1 gate DT build XD; unless he's improved drastically I don't feel optimistic about his chances. Then again, in a Bo1 anything can happen. People seem to think that 'PvP is unstable" is always valid. MC and InCa have ridiculous win rates vs Protoss. Also, the up/down matches are Bo3.
Ah, my mistake! Hong-Un is doomed.
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On May 07 2011 10:06 Snaphoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 05:55 Kantutan wrote:On May 07 2011 05:52 Snaphoo wrote:On May 07 2011 05:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Damn Group D is super unfortunate I even feel a bit bad for G and H... I don't want Rainbow to drop down to Code A, and I don't hate Rain like so many others do. I don't really care for Lyn, but he is border line Code S, and ensnare and bomber are Code S material. Lol, if Ryung can take out MC, HongUn can possibly beat MC since it's PvP... heheh xD lol have we been watching the same GSL? As I recall, in their last GSL meeting MC rolled over Hong-Un. Hong-Un either doesn't 4-gate or executes it poorly: either way, I find it unlikely he'll beat MC. Has Hong-Un ever showed off an impressive PvP series in GSL? Last time he played MC he went for a 1 gate DT build XD; unless he's improved drastically I don't feel optimistic about his chances. Then again, in a Bo1 anything can happen. People seem to think that 'PvP is unstable" is always valid. MC and InCa have ridiculous win rates vs Protoss. Also, the up/down matches are Bo3. Ah, my mistake! Hong-Un is doomed.
Oh I should also add that Hong Un has a 0-6 PvP record
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Why is OGS MC in the up/down brackets?
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On May 07 2011 10:17 Nu11 wrote:
Why is OGS MC in the up/down brackets?
because he lost in the ro32 last season
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I don't think HuK has much chance with the way he has been playing lately. I would probably root for him in any group but that one, but Marineking is just awesome and I like MMA. Here's hoping HuK back to code A.
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Getting free pass to A, now pay back time.
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Before GSL May started, poeple said they believed that there will be a foreigner finals, but both get knock out in the first round.
Then they believed that Huk will make it out of his code S group but he fails to.
Now they believe that Huk will get out of his code A group...and I loled.
I dare say there will never be a foreigner finals in GSL this year.
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On May 07 2011 10:44 My_Kaiser wrote:
Before GSL May started, poeple said they believed that there will be a foreigner finals, but both get knock out in the first round.
Then they believed that Huk will make it out of his code S group but he fails to.
Now they believe that Huk will get out of his code A group...and I loled.
I dare say there will never be a foreigner finals in GSL this year.
If Huk loses, the chances of a foreigner not getting to the finals is 31/32 -- pretty obvious statement you made don't you think?
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On May 07 2011 11:01 gideel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 10:44 My_Kaiser wrote:
Before GSL May started, poeple said they believed that there will be a foreigner finals, but both get knock out in the first round.
Then they believed that Huk will make it out of his code S group but he fails to.
Now they believe that Huk will get out of his code A group...and I loled.
I dare say there will never be a foreigner finals in GSL this year. If Huk loses, the chances of a foreigner not getting to the finals is 31/32 -- pretty obvious statement you made don't you think?
It's pretty obvious that Huk will get knock out. Next thing they will say is that they believe Huk will win code A.
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A foreigner Finals would be absurd: have we even seen a finals with 2 players from the same team? If we haven't seen an IM/IM or oGs/oGs or ST/ST Finals, it seems laughable to be predicting a foreign Finals. In fact, there are only 2 foreigners in Code S period.
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These definitely look like interesting groups, D and E especially. I'm hoping to see the SlayerS boys, Mvp and Bomber come up, and Rain move back down. Jinro fighting! (and good luck HuK! <3)
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I think the polls would've been better if worded "Who DOESN'T make it out of the group?" but that's just me.
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Huk's first post was from on his stream when he plaied and beat IMMVP on ladder. At the beginning of the game he begged MVP to pick him to which MVP repied "No, you gosu". I guess Huk wasn't happy with the group he got but he should have more faith in his abilities. If he beat MVP on ladder (and very decisivly btw in a 25 minute game) he can take MKP and MMA. Those are 2 great players who are very good at PvT but Huk doesn't need to mindset where he is going to beat himself up over this and he will have already lost. Hope Huk will pull it through.
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On May 07 2011 11:02 My_Kaiser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 11:01 gideel wrote:On May 07 2011 10:44 My_Kaiser wrote:
Before GSL May started, poeple said they believed that there will be a foreigner finals, but both get knock out in the first round.
Then they believed that Huk will make it out of his code S group but he fails to.
Now they believe that Huk will get out of his code A group...and I loled.
I dare say there will never be a foreigner finals in GSL this year. If Huk loses, the chances of a foreigner not getting to the finals is 31/32 -- pretty obvious statement you made don't you think? It's pretty obvious that Huk will get knock out. Next thing they will say is that they believe Huk will win code A.
Ok. Just curious.. have you been watching HuK's stream? Do you know how many top players he completely smashed on ladder?
I think at this point, his StarCraft skill is kind of indisputable. The only point that he should focus on is how to bring up that skill on a televised match. If you compare his play in GSL and his ladder games, it's like night and day difference.
During his ladder games, he has incredible micro and very good macro. During televised game, he just... idk... chokes? I'd say HuK has great potential. If he, like MC did, overcomes his nerves, he will do great.
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On May 07 2011 11:49 dragonblade369 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 11:02 My_Kaiser wrote:On May 07 2011 11:01 gideel wrote:On May 07 2011 10:44 My_Kaiser wrote:
Before GSL May started, poeple said they believed that there will be a foreigner finals, but both get knock out in the first round.
Then they believed that Huk will make it out of his code S group but he fails to.
Now they believe that Huk will get out of his code A group...and I loled.
I dare say there will never be a foreigner finals in GSL this year. If Huk loses, the chances of a foreigner not getting to the finals is 31/32 -- pretty obvious statement you made don't you think? It's pretty obvious that Huk will get knock out. Next thing they will say is that they believe Huk will win code A. Ok. Just curious.. have you been watching HuK's stream? Do you know how many top players he completely smashed on ladder? I think at this point, his StarCraft skill is kind of indisputable. The only point that he should focus on is how to bring up that skill on a televised match. If you compare his play in GSL and his ladder games, it's like night and day difference. During his ladder games, he has incredible micro and very good macro. During televised game, he just... idk... chokes? I'd say HuK has great potential. If he, like MC did, overcomes his nerves, he will do great.
Ladder =/= tournaments.
TheBestfOu was on the top of the ladder ( DOMINATING ) during season 3 and 4, but in GSL he was getting knocked out in rounds of 32( and not like, unlucky loses. He was getting outplayed in every single way).
It's just one example.
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On May 07 2011 12:01 DirtYLOu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 11:49 dragonblade369 wrote:On May 07 2011 11:02 My_Kaiser wrote:On May 07 2011 11:01 gideel wrote:On May 07 2011 10:44 My_Kaiser wrote:
Before GSL May started, poeple said they believed that there will be a foreigner finals, but both get knock out in the first round.
Then they believed that Huk will make it out of his code S group but he fails to.
Now they believe that Huk will get out of his code A group...and I loled.
I dare say there will never be a foreigner finals in GSL this year. If Huk loses, the chances of a foreigner not getting to the finals is 31/32 -- pretty obvious statement you made don't you think? It's pretty obvious that Huk will get knock out. Next thing they will say is that they believe Huk will win code A. Ok. Just curious.. have you been watching HuK's stream? Do you know how many top players he completely smashed on ladder? I think at this point, his StarCraft skill is kind of indisputable. The only point that he should focus on is how to bring up that skill on a televised match. If you compare his play in GSL and his ladder games, it's like night and day difference. During his ladder games, he has incredible micro and very good macro. During televised game, he just... idk... chokes? I'd say HuK has great potential. If he, like MC did, overcomes his nerves, he will do great. Ladder =/= tournaments. TheBestfOu was on the top of the ladder ( DOMINATING ) during season 3 and 4, but in GSL he was getting knocked out in rounds of 32( and not like, unlucky loses. He was getting outplayed in every single way). It's just one example.
The whole point of my post is to say that HuK has skill. I clearly stated that he has difficulties in tournaments and he should improve on that. I also said that he will do REALLY well if he can overcome that.
Please read my post carefully
In GSL, it seems that he get outplayed completely and I agree. What I am saying that if he can play tournaments games as well as he plays ladder games, there is no reason why he can NOT stay in code S.
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On May 07 2011 12:01 DirtYLOu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 11:49 dragonblade369 wrote:On May 07 2011 11:02 My_Kaiser wrote:On May 07 2011 11:01 gideel wrote:On May 07 2011 10:44 My_Kaiser wrote:
Before GSL May started, poeple said they believed that there will be a foreigner finals, but both get knock out in the first round.
Then they believed that Huk will make it out of his code S group but he fails to.
Now they believe that Huk will get out of his code A group...and I loled.
I dare say there will never be a foreigner finals in GSL this year. If Huk loses, the chances of a foreigner not getting to the finals is 31/32 -- pretty obvious statement you made don't you think? It's pretty obvious that Huk will get knock out. Next thing they will say is that they believe Huk will win code A. Ok. Just curious.. have you been watching HuK's stream? Do you know how many top players he completely smashed on ladder? I think at this point, his StarCraft skill is kind of indisputable. The only point that he should focus on is how to bring up that skill on a televised match. If you compare his play in GSL and his ladder games, it's like night and day difference. During his ladder games, he has incredible micro and very good macro. During televised game, he just... idk... chokes? I'd say HuK has great potential. If he, like MC did, overcomes his nerves, he will do great. Ladder =/= tournaments. TheBestfOu was on the top of the ladder ( DOMINATING ) during season 3 and 4, but in GSL he was getting knocked out in rounds of 32( and not like, unlucky loses. He was getting outplayed in every single way). It's just one example.
I dont think he was arguing that ladder = tournaments.
His point was ( and I agree) that Huk plays much better on the ladder. Playing on the big stage of the GSL in front of a live audience can put an emence amount of pressure on someone. We haven't seen the skill in the GSL that Huk shows on the ladder. If he can overcome this we'll see an improvement in his play.
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On May 06 2011 23:29 Lann555 wrote:This system is actually very flawed, because it favors the weakest players in Code S. The winner of Code A will likely pick the two worst players in Code S for an easy route, but then those two weak players get to fight over a spot in next seasons Code S. This probably gives them a better chance of getting back into code S then if they got a random group. Rain actually has a decent shot of making it into Code S again since he only has to take out Rainbow. He wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell in most of the other groups though
This arguement isn't really valid because they have to pick a 4th place and a 3rd place. the 3rd place has already done better than at least 6 other people who are in the up/down and deserve a shot against a 4th place player.
Poor performance shouldn't be rewarded.
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fuccckkkkkk..... huk..... sorry you're gonna have to move back down to code A
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On May 07 2011 12:15 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 23:29 Lann555 wrote:This system is actually very flawed, because it favors the weakest players in Code S. The winner of Code A will likely pick the two worst players in Code S for an easy route, but then those two weak players get to fight over a spot in next seasons Code S. This probably gives them a better chance of getting back into code S then if they got a random group. Rain actually has a decent shot of making it into Code S again since he only has to take out Rainbow. He wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell in most of the other groups though This arguement isn't really valid because they have to pick a 4th place and a 3rd place. the 3rd place has already done better than at least 6 other people who are in the up/down and deserve a shot against a 4th place player. Poor performance shouldn't be rewarded.
It's still not a great system, and does encourage the survival of some weaker players. What they should do is pair off all the third and fourth place finishers into groups first, then let the top two from code A pick which groups they want to be in.
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On May 07 2011 11:49 dragonblade369 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 11:02 My_Kaiser wrote:On May 07 2011 11:01 gideel wrote:On May 07 2011 10:44 My_Kaiser wrote:
Before GSL May started, poeple said they believed that there will be a foreigner finals, but both get knock out in the first round.
Then they believed that Huk will make it out of his code S group but he fails to.
Now they believe that Huk will get out of his code A group...and I loled.
I dare say there will never be a foreigner finals in GSL this year. If Huk loses, the chances of a foreigner not getting to the finals is 31/32 -- pretty obvious statement you made don't you think? It's pretty obvious that Huk will get knock out. Next thing they will say is that they believe Huk will win code A. Ok. Just curious.. have you been watching HuK's stream? Do you know how many top players he completely smashed on ladder? I think at this point, his StarCraft skill is kind of indisputable. The only point that he should focus on is how to bring up that skill on a televised match. If you compare his play in GSL and his ladder games, it's like night and day difference. During his ladder games, he has incredible micro and very good macro. During televised game, he just... idk... chokes? I'd say HuK has great potential. If he, like MC did, overcomes his nerves, he will do great.
huk is very good... but his group is ridiculous
i worry for him here
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the really bad news for huk isn't just who he's playing against, but that he only has 1 chance and it's not gonna be an easy one regardless of who wins
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On May 07 2011 12:13 dragonblade369 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 12:01 DirtYLOu wrote:On May 07 2011 11:49 dragonblade369 wrote:On May 07 2011 11:02 My_Kaiser wrote:On May 07 2011 11:01 gideel wrote:On May 07 2011 10:44 My_Kaiser wrote:
Before GSL May started, poeple said they believed that there will be a foreigner finals, but both get knock out in the first round.
Then they believed that Huk will make it out of his code S group but he fails to.
Now they believe that Huk will get out of his code A group...and I loled.
I dare say there will never be a foreigner finals in GSL this year. If Huk loses, the chances of a foreigner not getting to the finals is 31/32 -- pretty obvious statement you made don't you think? It's pretty obvious that Huk will get knock out. Next thing they will say is that they believe Huk will win code A. Ok. Just curious.. have you been watching HuK's stream? Do you know how many top players he completely smashed on ladder? I think at this point, his StarCraft skill is kind of indisputable. The only point that he should focus on is how to bring up that skill on a televised match. If you compare his play in GSL and his ladder games, it's like night and day difference. During his ladder games, he has incredible micro and very good macro. During televised game, he just... idk... chokes? I'd say HuK has great potential. If he, like MC did, overcomes his nerves, he will do great. Ladder =/= tournaments. TheBestfOu was on the top of the ladder ( DOMINATING ) during season 3 and 4, but in GSL he was getting knocked out in rounds of 32( and not like, unlucky loses. He was getting outplayed in every single way). It's just one example. The whole point of my post is to say that HuK has skill. I clearly stated that he has difficulties in tournaments and he should improve on that. I also said that he will do REALLY well if he can overcome that. Please read my post carefully In GSL, it seems that he get outplayed completely and I agree. What I am saying that if he can play tournaments games as well as he plays ladder games, there is no reason why he can NOT stay in code S.
Ok sorry, miss read that part <3 i guess we are on the same page then :p
On May 07 2011 12:15 AWakefield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 12:01 DirtYLOu wrote:On May 07 2011 11:49 dragonblade369 wrote:On May 07 2011 11:02 My_Kaiser wrote:On May 07 2011 11:01 gideel wrote:On May 07 2011 10:44 My_Kaiser wrote:
Before GSL May started, poeple said they believed that there will be a foreigner finals, but both get knock out in the first round.
Then they believed that Huk will make it out of his code S group but he fails to.
Now they believe that Huk will get out of his code A group...and I loled.
I dare say there will never be a foreigner finals in GSL this year. If Huk loses, the chances of a foreigner not getting to the finals is 31/32 -- pretty obvious statement you made don't you think? It's pretty obvious that Huk will get knock out. Next thing they will say is that they believe Huk will win code A. Ok. Just curious.. have you been watching HuK's stream? Do you know how many top players he completely smashed on ladder? I think at this point, his StarCraft skill is kind of indisputable. The only point that he should focus on is how to bring up that skill on a televised match. If you compare his play in GSL and his ladder games, it's like night and day difference. During his ladder games, he has incredible micro and very good macro. During televised game, he just... idk... chokes? I'd say HuK has great potential. If he, like MC did, overcomes his nerves, he will do great. Ladder =/= tournaments. TheBestfOu was on the top of the ladder ( DOMINATING ) during season 3 and 4, but in GSL he was getting knocked out in rounds of 32( and not like, unlucky loses. He was getting outplayed in every single way). It's just one example. I dont think he was arguing that ladder = tournaments. His point was ( and I agree) that Huk plays much better on the ladder. Playing on the big stage of the GSL in front of a live audience can put an emence amount of pressure on someone. We haven't seen the skill in the GSL that Huk shows on the ladder. If he can overcome this we'll see an improvement in his play.
ya ya, i get it now <3<3
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After every Rain there is a *drumroll* Rainbow!. Sorry MVP i couldnt find a way to put you in the joke
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HuK can you atleast stay in Code S. its really frustrating as a fan...
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I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
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No BoxeR
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On May 07 2011 13:42 procyonlotor wrote:
I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
Didn't MVP beat him in the GSTL WC? I would say its more to hide his true strategy
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Groups A, B, and F seem fairly balanced to the relative skill we've seen from those players with some minor favorites. Obviously 3rd place code S group finishers and the code A ro8+ players have an advantage over the 4th place code S RO32 guy who only gets one chance. Groups C,D, G, and H all have huge favorites that get two chances to advance to or stay in code S in MVP, MC, Bomber, and aLive.
Group E is the real heartbreaker, as I want to watch games from all three of those players. MKP and MMA are favorites not only for their place in the group, but I think because of the recent results. I still want HuK to advance and barely want MMA over MKP because I fell in love with MMA during GSTL's.
And since upsets are common lately, I really want MC, MVP, and Bomber not to get upset by someone like Polt. Granted that was MC's fault, but Polt just doesn't seem likely to show good games any time soon...although he has improved.
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Wow... after this seasons Up & Down matches there will probably be no "weak" players (Check, Hongun, TheWind, Kyrix) in Code S.
It's going to be extremely difficult for new people to get into Code S after this.
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On May 07 2011 08:07 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:29 Traven wrote:
HuK's in the the death group. Great. I hope his PvT is up to Par at the moment. That's no group of death, huk will lose easily. Group of death is clearly group D. Hongun is going to visit Code A apparently, MC is too good at PvP
When I say group of death I mean that for him to leave the group is going to be a miracle
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to bad huk have killergroup sry but gl in code A huk you will EASY make it back to code S but this 2 players i feel are just to strong in pvt so bad luck
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On May 07 2011 13:42 procyonlotor wrote:
I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
Have you seen any of his matches? That's just the way he plays. Not to put him down or anything, I love MKP, but he's not exactly a macro oriented player.
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Ouch super tough group for anyone for huk.
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MvP guys have rather easy groups (San, Tester, Kyrix and TheWinD? Well, probably the easiest 4 people someone could get for himself).
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Russian Federation823 Posts
This would be good for Huk if he gets out - which i doubt. It would be a huge confidence boost.
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On May 07 2011 19:22 kusto wrote:
This would be good for Huk if he gets out - which i doubt. It would be a huge confidence boost.
Yeah i agree massive boost for Huk if he were to get out of his group, either taking out a very well established and accomplished code S player or an up and coming code A player who has clearly demonstrated a considerably amount of skill.
I am really worried about huk, i suppose there is always code A but still id like to see him performing in code S, beating some legends and maybe even make a run for the finals =P.
Good luck huk, prove us wrong! Upsets are pretty much the lifeblood of GSL these days
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On May 07 2011 16:11 Uhhmm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 13:42 procyonlotor wrote:
I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
Have you seen any of his matches? That's just the way he plays. Not to put him down or anything, I love MKP, but he's not exactly a macro oriented player.
He's not a macro orientated player, but neither is Huk really. MKP does have some of the best macro in code S when he does play macro games, in a long game he would almost certainly out-macro Huk. His only big weakness is he sometimes makes bad decisions with his composition, particularly when he stays with MMM for way too long, which isn't such a big problem against Toss because if you mix in some ghosts and vikings you have a very strong late-game composition.
I feel bad for Huk, I want him to go through, but MMA and MKP are 2 of my favourite players to watch and they are both 2 of the top Terrans in the world at the moment. That combined with the fact that he only has 1 chance to stay in Code S means its not looking at all likely that he'll stay in. I think Jinro will stay in though, he's probably the strongest player in his group.
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France12886 Posts
On May 07 2011 16:11 Uhhmm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 13:42 procyonlotor wrote:
I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
Have you seen any of his matches? That's just the way he plays. Not to put him down or anything, I love MKP, but he's not exactly a macro oriented player.
Have you seen MKP matches?
He has a very strong macro when he plays macro games, he loses more because of his "name" (MKP vs NaDa in groupstages lol... stick with a lot of marines / medic then MMM despite being ahead) than because of his "macro".
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On May 07 2011 16:11 Uhhmm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 13:42 procyonlotor wrote:
I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
Have you seen any of his matches? That's just the way he plays. Not to put him down or anything, I love MKP, but he's not exactly a macro oriented player.
No, it's not. What a dumb comment rofl.
MarineKing doesn't all-in every game(most aren't), do you even know what the term means?
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Rain should thank his lucky stars he got put in rainbows group.
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Poor huk! Getting grouped with 2 absolute ballers! I don't rule him out though, Mkp Seems a bit shaky from time to time.
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The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks.
Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
The whole GSL system is just atrocious to be honest. Just have code A finalists automatically place code S and have less up and down groups or something.
Either way Huk is most likely out, sad for him and liquid but I don't think he is even close to code S material. I don't foresee alot of succes for jinro either, he'll have a good chance to stay code S but the strength of the upcoming code S seems to high for him imo.
Honestly I think liquid is better off doing like Idra and just focussing on NA/EU tournaments. Much more chance to make good money. GSL is just having awful payouts for how hard it is, any foreigner getting to the finals is just not going to happen and not getting there has low payoffs.
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Not the best draws for me Although the groups seem to be pretty exciting there are some with 3 people who probably should go to code A while some should stay in code S altogether.
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Australia18228 Posts
On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote:
The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks.
Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
The whole GSL system is just atrocious to be honest. Just have code A finalists automatically place code S and have less up and down groups or something.
Either way Huk is most likely out, sad for him and liquid but I don't think he is even close to code S material. I don't foresee alot of succes for jinro either, he'll have a good chance to stay code S but the strength of the upcoming code S seems to high for him imo.
Honestly I think liquid is better off doing like Idra and just focussing on NA/EU tournaments. Much more chance to make good money. GSL is just having awful payouts for how hard it is, any foreigner getting to the finals is just not going to happen and not getting there has low payoffs.
The format works, but players aren't consistent enough, as the better player is supposed to end up 3rd in their group and the lesser player ends up 4th meaning the winners can only pick two 'lesser' players.
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On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote:
The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks.
Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
Why should Rain be out? He tied one of the finalists 1-1 in his group and was really close to winning 2-0
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On May 07 2011 22:03 aoe2fan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote:
The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks.
Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
Why should Rain be out? He tied one of the finalists 1-1 in his group and was really close to winning 2-0
In terms of overall skill level, Rain is really subpar, I would even say he's not very good compared to other Code S/Code A players. Similar to how Inca might be considered subpar, despite getting to the finals. Tying a finalist 1-1 does not prove anything, frankly speaking. Making it to the finals also might not prove anything. Although I would stop short of saying it's undeserved.
EDIT: And the fact that Rain lost Game 2 against Inca is more a testament about how bad he is rather than how good he is.
I can actually go through a lot more reasons why Rain is bad, but I'd rather not in fear of starting an unnecessary debate.
Having said that, if I do see improvement from Rain (and improvement does not just mean more wins) I'll gladly eat my words.
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France12886 Posts
On May 07 2011 22:03 aoe2fan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote:
The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks.
Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
Why should Rain be out? He tied one of the finalists 1-1 in his group and was really close to winning 2-0
The thing is that the finalist is the protoss version of Rain.
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On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote:
The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks.
Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
The whole GSL system is just atrocious to be honest. Just have code A finalists automatically place code S and have less up and down groups or something.
Either way Huk is most likely out, sad for him and liquid but I don't think he is even close to code S material. I don't foresee alot of succes for jinro either, he'll have a good chance to stay code S but the strength of the upcoming code S seems to high for him imo.
Honestly I think liquid is better off doing like Idra and just focussing on NA/EU tournaments. Much more chance to make good money. GSL is just having awful payouts for how hard it is, any foreigner getting to the finals is just not going to happen and not getting there has low payoffs.
This happened with Liveforever and san, and you all know how san performed in the following season....
The system works fine, the prize money for winning Code A isn't very large but being able to choose their groups is HUGE
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I'm really pissed about the MMA MKP HuK group. MMA and MKP are both Code S guys in my opinion (although I didn't watch any MMA series' in Code A). If MKP doesn't make it to Code S I'm gonna be pretty mad. If MMA doesn't make it to Code S I'm gonna be a liitte mad and if HuK doesn't make it... I'm gonna be pretty mad.
Not good.
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Should be "easy" group for MC and Jinro. Gotta say Good bye to HuK though.
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Aaarg, too bad to see 3 zergs in the Group F !
Looking forward to see CoCa lose vs Jinro and get an epic Jinro vs Zenio match :D
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On May 07 2011 23:28 niilzon wrote:
Aaarg, too bad to see 3 zergs in the Group F !
Looking forward to see CoCa lose vs Jinro and get an epic Jinro vs Zenio match :D
If CoCa loses to Jinro then CoCa plays Zenio not Jinro :D
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On May 07 2011 20:47 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 16:11 Uhhmm wrote:On May 07 2011 13:42 procyonlotor wrote:
I will note that whenever MKP plays Huk on ladder he does some kind of cheesy all in.
This must be to: a) hide his true strategy b) conceal his fear of Huk c)possibly both.
Have you seen any of his matches? That's just the way he plays. Not to put him down or anything, I love MKP, but he's not exactly a macro oriented player. He's not a macro orientated player, but neither is Huk really. MKP does have some of the best macro in code S when he does play macro games, in a long game he would almost certainly out-macro Huk. His only big weakness is he sometimes makes bad decisions with his composition, particularly when he stays with MMM for way too long, which isn't such a big problem against Toss because if you mix in some ghosts and vikings you have a very strong late-game composition.
I know he can macro when he wants to. All I meant was it's normal for MKP to play aggressive and therefore it doesn't make sense to interpret that as him being afraid of HuK.
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Comon Jinro and Huk stay in code S. Huks got a tough game but I think he can pull it off.
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On May 07 2011 22:03 aoe2fan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote:
The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks.
Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
Why should Rain be out? He tied one of the finalists 1-1 in his group and was really close to winning 2-0
Did you actually watch his play instead of looking at the results?
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Who is casting the Up/down matches? Tasteosis made it seem like they wouldn't be casting till the finals last night.
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Looks like HongUn and Huk are going out.
I'd love to see Bomber tearing it up in Code S, he has shown that he is a a really top tier player. I think he could win a GSL.
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On May 08 2011 05:07 Cyanocyst wrote:
Who is casting the Up/down matches? Tasteosis made it seem like they wouldn't be casting till the finals last night.
Fairly certain it will be moletrap and doa.
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On May 08 2011 04:39 Scribble wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:03 aoe2fan wrote:On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote:
The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks.
Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
Why should Rain be out? He tied one of the finalists 1-1 in his group and was really close to winning 2-0 Did you actually watch his play instead of looking at the results?
I watched the games and they werent very good but if he doesnt deserve to stay in code s neither does inca who got to the finals the same way that Rain did in season 3.
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On May 08 2011 05:41 aoe2fan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 04:39 Scribble wrote:On May 07 2011 22:03 aoe2fan wrote:On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote:
The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks.
Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
Why should Rain be out? He tied one of the finalists 1-1 in his group and was really close to winning 2-0 Did you actually watch his play instead of looking at the results? I watched the games and they werent very good but if he doesnt deserve to stay in code s neither does inca who got to the finals the same way that Rain did in season 3.
Thing is, Rain cheesed his way almost through the entire GSL season 3.
Inca played mostly standard in the group stages and versus Virus and cleaned up. He only really cheesed against Nada. Inca also has proven himself to be pretty darn strong in PvP. Rain has shown us that when he goes into a macro game he falls apart - when Inca's cheese in game 3 versus Nada failed, he transitioned into a unique build of chargelots, sentries and HTs to stay alive and still win. Inca is much more stable than Rain.
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Sadly, HuK is probably back down to Code A.
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On May 07 2011 22:13 Neo.NEt wrote:
I'm really pissed about the MMA MKP HuK group. MMA and MKP are both Code S guys in my opinion (although I didn't watch any MMA series' in Code A). If MKP doesn't make it to Code S I'm gonna be pretty mad. If MMA doesn't make it to Code S I'm gonna be a liitte mad and if HuK doesn't make it... I'm gonna be pretty mad.
Not good.
Reminds me of an MSL group
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213263
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HuK basically was thrown to the wolves :/ I feel sorry for HuK ... I hope he will atleast show this matches weren't so one sided GOOD LUCK HUK ! !!! GOGO
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On May 08 2011 13:10 fortheGG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 22:13 Neo.NEt wrote:
I'm really pissed about the MMA MKP HuK group. MMA and MKP are both Code S guys in my opinion (although I didn't watch any MMA series' in Code A). If MKP doesn't make it to Code S I'm gonna be pretty mad. If MMA doesn't make it to Code S I'm gonna be a liitte mad and if HuK doesn't make it... I'm gonna be pretty mad.
Not good. Reminds me of an MSL group + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213263
this is nothing like that. that MSL group is like Nestea/MVP/MC and a solid 4th being in a Code S RO32 group.
this is just a foreigner getting 1 shot to stay in code S but whoever he faces will be a very solid player. anything can happen in a series, and definitely anything can happen in a single game.
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God, HuK is soooo dead
Wish you GL, bro. Maybe you can pull an upset here.
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anyone knows the maps where the up&down matches will be played?
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Does anybody know where the event on May 11th will be held? I assume GomTV studio, but I know they change location sometimes, or was that for finals only? I happen to be in Seoul and really want to go root for HuK. HuK fighting!
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On May 08 2011 22:31 croclacrimae wrote:Does anybody know where the event on May 11th will be held? I assume GomTV studio, but I know they change location sometimes, or was that for finals only? I happen to be in Seoul and really want to go root for HuK. HuK fighting!
It should be where the studio is since they didn't announce a new location.
BTW does anyone know if we're getting up and down liquibets?
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From the top left
Crevasse, Xelnaga Caverns, Metalopolis
Crossfire SE, Crevasse, Xelnaga Fortress
Metalopolis, Xelnaga Caverns, Crevasse
Dual Site, Terminus, Xelnaga Caverns
Taldarim Altar, Terminus, Dual Site
Taldarim Altar, Crevasse, Xelnaga Caverns
Crossfire SE, Dual Site, Taldarim Altar
Dual Site, Taldarim altar, Metalopolis
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my thoughts:
Trickster, HoSeo_san (though Keen is good too)
Zenio, Jinro (didn't really like CoCas performances)
Byun, alive (check goes down, he hasn't been playing well lately)
MC, HongUn (poor Ryung; he will get cheesed sooo hard by both)
MarineKing, MMA (I just can't see HuK winning against any of those two)
Kyrix, violet (violet loses match one, but takes out theWind)
MVP, rainbow (Rain will allin 4games, and lose every single time)
Bomber, Lyn (could be Lyn too, who goes down and Ensnare who wins)
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Predictions/Hopes
A: San and Keen
B: Coca and Jinro
C. Alive and Byun
D. MC and Ryung
E. MarineKing and MMA
F. Violet and Kyrix
G. MVP and (one of 2 Bad Players)
H. Bomber and Ensnare.
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HuK will make it through! I have total faith in him! But he really is in the death group. HAHA!
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Huk dude... better start practicing your pvt. you are facing 2 of the worlds best terrans, and both with unique gameplay.
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On May 09 2011 06:16 Rednaxela_19 wrote:
Huk dude... better start practicing your pvt. you are facing 2 of the worlds best terrans, and both with unique gameplay.
He should SCV rush marineking i heard that works quite well ^-^
Slayers and Jinro fightiiiiiiiing!
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Huk won against MMA on ladder today on his stream, so lets cross our thumbs for him!
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On May 09 2011 06:22 Morale wrote:
Huk won against MMA on ladder today on his stream, so lets cross our thumbs for him!
Yeah MMA's TvP isn't that great.
People are giving him way too much credit just because of the GTSL where he took out 3 amazing players(2 of them with cheesy builds), I love the guy but his Code A games weren't that amazing.
I don't know why people think he's better than MarineKing who has actually proven himself lol.
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On May 09 2011 06:27 dunc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 06:22 Morale wrote:
Huk won against MMA on ladder today on his stream, so lets cross our thumbs for him! Yeah MMA's TvP isn't that great. People are giving him way too much credit just because of the GTSL where he took out 3 amazing players(2 of them with cheesy builds), I love the guy but his Code A games weren't that amazing. I don't know why people think he's better than MarineKing who has actually proven himself lol.
See what happened to Squirtle and Ace.
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These matches aren't showing up on the TL Calender/Upcoming Events. Not sure who to PM about that so I figured I'd just say it here.
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On May 09 2011 06:19 BlueFlames wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 06:16 Rednaxela_19 wrote:
Huk dude... better start practicing your pvt. you are facing 2 of the worlds best terrans, and both with unique gameplay.
He should SCV rush marineking i heard that works quite well ^-^ Slayers and Jinro fightiiiiiiiing!
Huk needs to hack the game to allow him to have scv first. Other than that, the plan sounds good.
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yeah, pretty dissapointing, no liquibet for up&down matches?!!?
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group A
san and trickster
Group B
Jinro coca
Group C
alive byun
Group D
ryung Mc
Group E
MMa MKP
group F
the wind Violet
Group G
MVP rain
Group F
bomber ensnare
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On May 08 2011 06:06 PartyBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 05:41 aoe2fan wrote:On May 08 2011 04:39 Scribble wrote:On May 07 2011 22:03 aoe2fan wrote:On May 07 2011 21:21 Markwerf wrote:
The way that the code A finalists get to choose two players is kind of silly. They choose in their eyes the two worst players so one of them will always remain code S, which just sucks.
Rain or Rainbow will remain and Lyn or Ensnare will remain... The latter two are alright but rain and rainbow should definately both be out.
Why should Rain be out? He tied one of the finalists 1-1 in his group and was really close to winning 2-0 Did you actually watch his play instead of looking at the results? I watched the games and they werent very good but if he doesnt deserve to stay in code s neither does inca who got to the finals the same way that Rain did in season 3. Thing is, Rain cheesed his way almost through the entire GSL season 3. Inca played mostly standard in the group stages and versus Virus and cleaned up. He only really cheesed against Nada. Inca also has proven himself to be pretty darn strong in PvP. Rain has shown us that when he goes into a macro game he falls apart - when Inca's cheese in game 3 versus Nada failed, he transitioned into a unique build of chargelots, sentries and HTs to stay alive and still win. Inca is much more stable than Rain.
exactly. im putting my liquid bet on inca over nestea. zerg wants to play a predictable player Inca is unpredictable plus solid in macro, the best no, but solid enough combined with his flexibility makes him a strong player.
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I want Keen to win just to see his ceremony.
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Well strictly speaking of practice, Jinro and Huk have an easier time as they have Zerg and Terran only to fight against so they can practice much better for their games, and I have seen Huk beat MKP multiple times in his stream while laddering, not sure about MMA but he was used as an MC sniper by slayers in GSTL so he must be good in TvP...time will tell, how ever next tournament is the super-tournament so whatever happens it wont matter until after the super-tournament.
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i want huk out as there is his place . and want check lyn thewind and trickster to stay
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Huk is better than what most people are giving him credit for, you can see him beat a lot of "better" player on his stream constantly, and the way that he managed to get to code S with one try in code A even though he was very nervous and had never been in the booth. Him and liquid in general have been in a slump so he didn't do so well in code S, however the whole week before his group matches he was streaming for 7hours at a time, which was his ladder practice, and then on top of that I am sure he had to play the oGs games internally witch are more practice to progamers than ladder.
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On May 09 2011 12:09 elementz wrote:
Huk is better than what most people are giving him credit for, you can see him beat a lot of "better" player on his stream constantly, and the way that he managed to get to code S with one try in code A even though he was very nervous and had never been in the booth. Him and liquid in general have been in a slump so he didn't do so well in code S, however the whole week before his group matches he was streaming for 7hours at a time, which was his ladder practice, and then on top of that I am sure he had to play the oGs games internally witch are more practice to progamers than ladder.
What really matters is in the booth thou. If he doesn't perform on stage, then he just won't cut the mustard.
Also, just because you see HuK working his ass off for these tournaments. Don't discount the fact that the other competitors are most likely working just as hard (some cases harder).
Also sometimes people play worse on the ladder if they know they will be vs'n that person in an up coming tournament.
It's called 'not revealing your hand'.
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Wait... didn't Bomber get to pick who he goes against? If he wanted 2 terrans... why not go with Rain and Rainbow?
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On May 09 2011 13:02 Chicane wrote:
Wait... didn't Bomber get to pick who he goes against? If he wanted 2 terrans... why not go with Rain and Rainbow?
Rainbow is on his team but I'm not sure why he didn't pick rain. I think he felt better against ensnare because ensnare has extremely bad tvt and rain is a good cheeser so that could throw bomber off.
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Who is going to cast the up/down matches?
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I was just thinking the same thing. I hope it's Artosis/Tasteless. Probly not though considering artosis is streaming right now?
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Up : Hoseo_san
MVPKeen
oGsZenio
ZeNEXCoca
TSL_Alive
CheckPrime.we
Slayers_Ryung
oGsMC
MarinekingPrime.we
Liquid'huk
oGsTheWind
MVPViolet
IMMvp
TSL_Rain
ST_Bomber
TSLEnsnare
Down : TSL_Trickster
LiquidJinro
ZeNEXByung
HongHUnprime.WE
SlayerS_MMA
ZeNEX_Kyrix
ST_Rainbow
FOXMoon
There's my choice
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On May 09 2011 13:05 Truefire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 13:02 Chicane wrote:
Wait... didn't Bomber get to pick who he goes against? If he wanted 2 terrans... why not go with Rain and Rainbow? Rainbow is on his team but I'm not sure why he didn't pick rain. I think he felt better against ensnare because ensnare has extremely bad tvt and rain is a good cheeser so that could throw bomber off.
You have to pick 1 guy that finished 3rd and one that finished 4th.
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On May 09 2011 13:05 Truefire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 13:02 Chicane wrote:
Wait... didn't Bomber get to pick who he goes against? If he wanted 2 terrans... why not go with Rain and Rainbow? Rainbow is on his team but I'm not sure why he didn't pick rain. I think he felt better against ensnare because ensnare has extremely bad tvt and rain is a good cheeser so that could throw bomber off.
Hah whoops. I'm not sure why I completely forgot about what team they were on... but still, it doesn't seem like he even remotely picked the easiest 2 players to beat. Bomber had no trouble with WhiteRa, so I can imagine he would be able to take down HuK quite easily... but whatever. Obviously it is his choice, though I also have to admit I did forget Ensnare doesn't have the best TvT.
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On May 09 2011 14:07 StoLiVe wrote:
Up : Hoseo_san
MVPKeen
oGsZenio
ZeNEXCoca
TSL_Alive
CheckPrime.we
Slayers_Ryung
oGsMC
MarinekingPrime.we
Liquid'huk
oGsTheWind
MVPViolet
IMMvp
TSL_Rain
ST_Bomber
TSLEnsnare
Down : TSL_Trickster
LiquidJinro
ZeNEXByung
HongHUnprime.WE
SlayerS_MMA
ZeNEX_Kyrix
ST_Rainbow
FOXMoon
There's my choice
HongUn will probably have a rought time of it, but it seems like people thinkare eager to see him drop out of Code S. Why? He's arguably the most creative Toss player in GSL history:
- First to use double-forge build
- The Great Wall of Hong-Un
- First to use carriers (and won, to boot)
- First to show power of proxy phoenix in PvT (peeled apart Jinro)
- Went for a Mothership (first to do that in a PvT) against Nada and survived past the 15 minute mark
Say what you will about the guy's flaws, but I'll miss him in Code S.
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On May 09 2011 14:28 Snaphoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 14:07 StoLiVe wrote:
Up : Hoseo_san
MVPKeen
oGsZenio
ZeNEXCoca
TSL_Alive
CheckPrime.we
Slayers_Ryung
oGsMC
MarinekingPrime.we
Liquid'huk
oGsTheWind
MVPViolet
IMMvp
TSL_Rain
ST_Bomber
TSLEnsnare
Down : TSL_Trickster
LiquidJinro
ZeNEXByung
HongHUnprime.WE
SlayerS_MMA
ZeNEX_Kyrix
ST_Rainbow
FOXMoon
There's my choice HongUn will probably have a rought time of it, but it seems like people thinkare eager to see him drop out of Code S. Why? He's arguably the most creative Toss player in GSL history: - First to use double-forge build - The Great Wall of Hong-Un - First to use carriers (and won, to boot) - First to show power of proxy phoenix in PvT (peeled apart Jinro) - Went for a Mothership (first to do that in a PvT) against Nada and survived past the 15 minute mark Say what you will about the guy's flaws, but I'll miss him in Code S.
I don't say that because i don't like him this is just because those 2 other guys seems to be better and deserve to be in code S as HonUn
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Edit: Nvm, someone else asked a few posts up >_>
but yeah, I'm assuming not Tastosis since Artosis usually doesn't stream right before. Kind of disappointing : (
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Tester is gonna fall out of code S today, he has been playing so unbelivebly bad for the last couple of months.
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On May 09 2011 14:07 StoLiVe wrote:
Up : Hoseo_san
MVPKeen
oGsZenio
ZeNEXCoca
TSL_Alive
CheckPrime.we
Slayers_Ryung
oGsMC
MarinekingPrime.we
Liquid'huk
oGsTheWind
MVPViolet
IMMvp
TSL_Rain
ST_Bomber
TSLEnsnare
Down : TSL_Trickster
LiquidJinro
ZeNEXByung
HongHUnprime.WE
SlayerS_MMA
ZeNEX_Kyrix
ST_Rainbow
FOXMoon
There's my choice
Agree with most, but how in the world do you have Huk advnacing over SlayersMMA. Have you seen him play?
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On May 09 2011 14:07 StoLiVe wrote:
Up : Hoseo_san
MVPKeen
oGsZenio
ZeNEXCoca
TSL_Alive
CheckPrime.we
Slayers_Ryung
oGsMC
MarinekingPrime.we
Liquid'huk
oGsTheWind
MVPViolet
IMMvp
TSL_Rain
ST_Bomber
TSLEnsnare
Down : TSL_Trickster
LiquidJinro
ZeNEXByung
HongHUnprime.WE
SlayerS_MMA
ZeNEX_Kyrix
ST_Rainbow
FOXMoon
There's my choice
Isn't FOXLyn and oGsEnsnare?
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Will this be broadcasted live on gomtv.net?
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HuK may lose if his mind is not right. I've seen him beat the best in stream but he seems to choke when on stage. Think he's insecure or something? Either way HuK needs to get it together otherwise he's wasting time in $1200 code A when real money is in USA/EU at that level.
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What time is this in EST again? Or, relative to GMT?
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HAHAHA
MVP chose the 2 worst players
Rain and Rainbow
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mma mkp and huk is a lose lose lose group all those guys should be code S and huk will probably get knocked down. At least jinro is relatively safe.
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LYN FIGHTING !!! I just got owned by him on wc3 ladder XD , at least i think it was him
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I feel sorry for huk. He pretty much never catches a break when it comes to GSLs.
In the WC he hit MVP in the first round.
In the WC korea vs. the world his only match was against July.
In this GSL, he was in a group with July and the best PvPer in the world.
Now in the up/down matches he gets to face two of the most fearsome terrans in korea.
Man can't catch a break and hit any of the scrub code S players lol
Then again, he himself is a fringe Code S player.
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On May 09 2011 16:07 Tchado wrote:
LYN FIGHTING !!! I just got owned by him on wc3 ladder XD , at least i think it was him
People still play WC3? O.O I thought it was pretty much dead. I stopped playing after sc2 came out, b/c it was taking forever to find games.
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On May 09 2011 16:08 DoomsVille wrote:
I feel sorry for huk. He pretty much never catches a break when it comes to GSLs.
In the WC he hit MVP in the first round.
In the WC korea vs. the world his only match was against July.
In this GSL, he was in a group with July and the best PvPer in the world.
Now in the up/down matches he gets to face two of the most fearsome terrans in korea.
Man can't catch a break and hit any of the scrub code S players lol
Then again, he himself is a fringe Code S player.
though he had tough opponents i dont think they are top 8 in the gsl. if he cant get pass these guys in his best mu then he shoudlnt be code s
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Wow... Up and Down Matches are fully loaded, then Code A will be loaded. Who wil be first to drop down to Code B - !! Argh!! GSL will soon be only for the best of the best and rightfully so.
gl hf. Zenio hate yo see you go, Jinro sif... So hopefully CoCa
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On May 09 2011 16:16 Looky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 16:08 DoomsVille wrote:
I feel sorry for huk. He pretty much never catches a break when it comes to GSLs.
In the WC he hit MVP in the first round.
In the WC korea vs. the world his only match was against July.
In this GSL, he was in a group with July and the best PvPer in the world.
Now in the up/down matches he gets to face two of the most fearsome terrans in korea.
Man can't catch a break and hit any of the scrub code S players lol
Then again, he himself is a fringe Code S player. though he had tough opponents i dont think they are top 8 in the gsl. if he cant get pass these guys in his best mu then he shoudlnt be code s
I think you'll find pvt is far from his best matchup watching his stream recently he just kept losing to terran's ended up raging and closing stream
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On May 09 2011 15:59 Gracksaurusrex wrote:
HAHAHA
MVP chose the 2 worst players
Rain and Rainbow
Well they're both finalists he chose. I think Bomber chose the 2 worst Terrans in the up and down, but neither chose the "2 worst players".
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On May 09 2011 16:16 Looky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 16:08 DoomsVille wrote:
I feel sorry for huk. He pretty much never catches a break when it comes to GSLs.
In the WC he hit MVP in the first round.
In the WC korea vs. the world his only match was against July.
In this GSL, he was in a group with July and the best PvPer in the world.
Now in the up/down matches he gets to face two of the most fearsome terrans in korea.
Man can't catch a break and hit any of the scrub code S players lol
Then again, he himself is a fringe Code S player. though he had tough opponents i dont think they are top 8 in the gsl. if he cant get pass these guys in his best mu then he shoudlnt be code s
Let me quote Norm McDonald here, "Wait, what?"
You don't think that MVP or July are in the top 8 in the gsl? And then he had to play Inca, the best PvP player in the world and is in the GSL Finals this season.
So I say again, "Wait, what?"
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On May 06 2011 20:05 Midgetman101 wrote:
Bye Bye Rain =D
so you're one of those that know nothing about Starcraft strategy and have no respect for a player that finds a way to keep staying in code S. All you know is: "Artosis said Rain sucks, then he must be suck"
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On May 09 2011 16:16 Looky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 16:08 DoomsVille wrote:
I feel sorry for huk. He pretty much never catches a break when it comes to GSLs.
In the WC he hit MVP in the first round.
In the WC korea vs. the world his only match was against July.
In this GSL, he was in a group with July and the best PvPer in the world.
Now in the up/down matches he gets to face two of the most fearsome terrans in korea.
Man can't catch a break and hit any of the scrub code S players lol
Then again, he himself is a fringe Code S player. though he had tough opponents i dont think they are top 8 in the gsl. if he cant get pass these guys in his best mu then he shoudlnt be code s
Don't forget he got a free ride into Code A to begin with. That's catching a pretty big break imo.
I'm pulling for him, but as of right now I still feel like he really hasn't shown he is Code S material yet. That changes if he takes out MMA or MKP though, of course.
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On May 09 2011 16:42 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 16:16 Looky wrote:On May 09 2011 16:08 DoomsVille wrote:
I feel sorry for huk. He pretty much never catches a break when it comes to GSLs.
In the WC he hit MVP in the first round.
In the WC korea vs. the world his only match was against July.
In this GSL, he was in a group with July and the best PvPer in the world.
Now in the up/down matches he gets to face two of the most fearsome terrans in korea.
Man can't catch a break and hit any of the scrub code S players lol
Then again, he himself is a fringe Code S player. though he had tough opponents i dont think they are top 8 in the gsl. if he cant get pass these guys in his best mu then he shoudlnt be code s Let me quote Norm McDonald here, "Wait, what?" You don't think that MVP or July are in the top 8 in the gsl? And then he had to play Inca, the best PvP player in the world and is in the GSL Finals this season. So I say again, "Wait, what?"
never said i dont think those guys are top 8. i believe they are. mma and mkp i think arent top 8 material so he should be happy.
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I really feel for Huk and his Group... MMA and MKP? I really dont know.... I believe there is a chance HuK can come through but he would need to play the best SC2 of his life. MMA and MKP will be mainstays at the Code S level for many many seasons to come IMO.
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On May 09 2011 16:58 Looky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 16:42 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 09 2011 16:16 Looky wrote:On May 09 2011 16:08 DoomsVille wrote:
I feel sorry for huk. He pretty much never catches a break when it comes to GSLs.
In the WC he hit MVP in the first round.
In the WC korea vs. the world his only match was against July.
In this GSL, he was in a group with July and the best PvPer in the world.
Now in the up/down matches he gets to face two of the most fearsome terrans in korea.
Man can't catch a break and hit any of the scrub code S players lol
Then again, he himself is a fringe Code S player. though he had tough opponents i dont think they are top 8 in the gsl. if he cant get pass these guys in his best mu then he shoudlnt be code s Let me quote Norm McDonald here, "Wait, what?" You don't think that MVP or July are in the top 8 in the gsl? And then he had to play Inca, the best PvP player in the world and is in the GSL Finals this season. So I say again, "Wait, what?" never said i dont think those guys are top 8. i believe they are. mma and mkp i think arent top 8 material so he should be happy.
Ah gotcha, thought you were referring to the players in the post you quoted.
Although, MKP is definitely top 8 material.
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On May 09 2011 15:44 tdt wrote:
HuK may lose if his mind is not right. I've seen him beat the best in stream but he seems to choke when on stage. Think he's insecure or something? Either way HuK needs to get it together otherwise he's wasting time in $1200 code A when real money is in USA/EU at that level.
anyone can beat the best on ladder, and when you take into his ranking on ladder he isn't even top 32 when there's a lot of code A and B players in there consistently
Huk is seriously on the fringe of code S and code A right now, and it's not unfair that he ended up with a tough group. In any case, both MMA and MKP are beatable matchups for him.
He gets like $1500 a month if he's in code S, while even if you enter tournaments in NA/EU you're not guaranteed anything, and most of the time the entire prize pool is like $1500
nothing stops him from entering online tournaments and he even traveled to dreamhack
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Jinro fighting! Good luck today.
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I'd post here supporting Bomber, but there's absolutely no way he's not making it out of his group. ^^
Jinro should be fine! Can't wait to see how he goes tonight!
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Jinro ftw...
Sorry HuK... GomTV has it out for you... they think your OP. Gl.
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On May 09 2011 16:08 DoomsVille wrote:
I feel sorry for huk. He pretty much never catches a break when it comes to GSLs.
In the WC he hit MVP in the first round.
In the WC korea vs. the world his only match was against July.
In this GSL, he was in a group with July and the best PvPer in the world.
Now in the up/down matches he gets to face two of the most fearsome terrans in korea.
Man can't catch a break and hit any of the scrub code S players lol
Then again, he himself is a fringe Code S player.
You forget that he got a free spot into Code A. Bomber, who won Code A, said during interviews that his biggest relief was winning his Code A Ro32 match, because the difficulty of getting through Code A qualifiers was nothing short of brutal.
A guy of Bomber's caliber took until May 2011 to make it into Code A because of the difficulty of qualifiers... I would definitely say that HuK has had quite a bit of help from GSL. Best of luck to him in the Up-and-Down!
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On May 09 2011 16:07 Tchado wrote:
LYN FIGHTING !!! I just got owned by him on wc3 ladder XD , at least i think it was him
It wasn't him.
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They shud allow the two finalists of code a to auto bump up to code s
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On May 09 2011 16:58 Looky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 16:42 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 09 2011 16:16 Looky wrote:On May 09 2011 16:08 DoomsVille wrote:
I feel sorry for huk. He pretty much never catches a break when it comes to GSLs.
In the WC he hit MVP in the first round.
In the WC korea vs. the world his only match was against July.
In this GSL, he was in a group with July and the best PvPer in the world.
Now in the up/down matches he gets to face two of the most fearsome terrans in korea.
Man can't catch a break and hit any of the scrub code S players lol
Then again, he himself is a fringe Code S player. though he had tough opponents i dont think they are top 8 in the gsl. if he cant get pass these guys in his best mu then he shoudlnt be code s Let me quote Norm McDonald here, "Wait, what?" You don't think that MVP or July are in the top 8 in the gsl? And then he had to play Inca, the best PvP player in the world and is in the GSL Finals this season. So I say again, "Wait, what?" never said i dont think those guys are top 8. i believe they are. mma and mkp i think arent top 8 material so he should be happy.
I'd like to see your top eight sir.
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Predictions:
GSL Up & Down Match Preview
Now that the level of play in Starcraft 2 has been hitting in full swing for a while, the up down matches lead to some crazy games. With both Liquid members that are in the GSL fighting for their life in Code S, I know the community needs to and will be there with full support of our community members Hwaiting!
Group A:
+ Show Spoiler +MVP_Keen vs. TSL_Trickster
Keen revealed some of his high level play in the Code A semi finals and wasn't much to disappoint. He seems to be a strong up and coming terran with some serious potential. He really does seem to lack some confidence in longer macro games, willing to base trade and often losing confidence in his macro.
Trickster in his group play managed to crush one of the best Terrans in the business of TvP, oGs Ensnare, and to make it worse for Keen, it was a very one sided macro game. Trickster then got knocked in double PvP's, a still volatile match up.
Keen has some work cut out for him if he hopes to take Trickster out of Code S and I can't really see it happening. It's Trickster's game to lose, and he likes him some cheese every once in a while, but if the game goes macro I really think that Trickster has it.
Loser vs. NSHoSeo_san
(Assuming Keen) San did lose to the unorthadox play of Liquid'Jinro in his group play, and seems to be vulnerable to unpredictable play like that. Keen will likely be doing something unpredictable going by his code A games. San also lost to the standard play of TSL_Clide, the high temp nerf really hurting his style of the matchup. San seems to be really having issues with the matchup right now, and Keen has a legitimate chance of taking San's spot from him.
(Assuming Trickster) There are no recent tournament results from San regarding his PvP, but he lost to White-ra in the World Championship and Trickster's PvP does seem to be a little bit better than White-ra's when directly compared. Trickster lost to the Protoss who went on to the round of 8 so skill in the matchup is difficult to predict, honestly this is a tossup, just as the matchup is.
Group B:
+ Show Spoiler +ZeNEXCoCa vs. Liquid'Jinro
All that needs to be said is that Jinro is going to roll this whole series, obviously. But on a more serious note: Keen managed to beat CoCa in the round of 8 using some big drop play into standard marine tank thor play, from what I've seen of Jinro's play, this is a similar style to what he likes to do. I personally am more impressed by Jinro's execution of the same style as Keen, and think that on paper Jinro should have this, but anything can happen.
Loser vs. Zenio
(Assuming Jinro) Zenio showed some sick play against Nada in his group play, and if Jinro tries to go standard play, Zenio has a good chance of winning. Zenio then lost against MarineKing in some very non standard play. Again, the only thing guarenteed in this matchup is that it will be close. Zenio and Jinro probably play a standard game at about the same level TvZ and it will be one to watch.
(Assuming CoCa) With Coca, there are no recent ZvZs to judge skill by, similarly, there are few games of Zenio, but from what I remember, Zenio has a pretty good standing in the matchup. Zenio hasn't played a ZvZ in GSL since before March (due to Idra dropping out). Really this matchup is a complete tossup, but just going on pure reputation, Zenio probably has a better chance, but there are no real grounds to prove that.
Group C
+ Show Spoiler +TSL_Alive vs. ZeNEXByun
Alive managed to beat Boxer in a pretty standard TvT in his code A play and seems to show some pretty uncreative, but solid marine tank viking play. Boxer is pretty beastly at micro and creative Terran play, but Alive was able to shut it all down and come out ahead through pure solid play. ZeNEX Byun got knocked out of his all Terran group and didn't demonstrate truly great play. That being said his group was against a lot of very skilled terran's such as Top and Sc. Byun seems to have some issues once the game goes past 2 base play. Judging purely by performance this season, I wouldn't be surprised if Alive beat Byun.
Loser vs. CheckPrime.WE
Check hasn't played a TvZ this season but will no doubt have prepared for either of these terrans. Similarly, neither terran has played a TvZ this season, so I'm forced to go purely on reputation, which makes me think CheckPrime has an edge. If the game goes macro against either of these players, Check seems to be stronger, but in short games, the other two players in this group seem to have some incredibly strong timing push oriented style.
Group D:
+ Show Spoiler +SlayerS_Ryung vs. oGsMC MC seems to be cursed against PoltPrime, going 0-4 against him so far. MC seems to go for super greedy play against terrans as of late, I'm sure he's changed his style since his group play back to his incredibly strong timing push style. An interesting note on MC is that from what I've noticed if his timing attack doesn't work he seems to fall very far behind for the rest of the game. Ryung has the incredibly solid SlayerS clan style of TvP, making him predictable, but not any less scary. I did a write up on the SlayerS style here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=215454 I wouldn't be surprised to see Ryung use this same opening. CreatorPrime, who was Ryung's protoss opponent in the Code A never really pressured Ryung all game long and Ryung never did any special against him. I think that MC's timing oriented play will be able to crush through Ryung as long as MC doesn't take too many risks. Loser vs. HongUnPrime.WE (assuming Ryung) This match will be close, this is because Ryung plays a pretty solid macro TvP while HongUn plays a pretty solid macro TvP but throws in some cheeses from time to time. HongUn doesn't have a TvP from this season so I'm unsure about its current success, but from past games he seems to be solid, and due to pure reputation I'd have to give an edge to HongUn.
Group E
+ Show Spoiler +SlayerS_MMA vs. MarineKingPrime.WE
MMA played against oGsTop and ST_Bomber in his path to the up down matches, and he has a lot of pressure and expectations to make his way up to code S. From MMA's five games played before this match, his biggest strength seems to be macro and his weakness seems to be positioning. He often engages, or finds his army out of position and loses that way but usually has more than his opponent economically and army size. MarineKing is the King of positioning in this matchup and he will abuse anything that is miss placed. This game will likely be close due to the nature of the players, MMA will have more but MarineKing will be more abusive of positioning. I would expect MarineKing to win due to that positioning factor and because if he can abuse Nada's very meticulous positioning, than he can probably abuse MMA's.
Loser vs. Liquid'Huk
Both terrans in this group play a similar style TvP, the Prime and oGs guys tend to no gas expand while the SlayerS guys get a fast reactor and get faster drops. This style means that Huk should be prepared for both styles, more so for MMA as he tends to cheese a lot less. Huk has a tough time going into this, both of these guys play a solid, standard TvP. Huk at least doesn't need to worry about non standard unit compositions from these guys like he does against someone like Thorzain or Jinro. A lot of people are counting Huk out of this one, but if he's been preparing for standard, drop heavy, terran play, than he has a good chance of making it out alive.
Group F
+ Show Spoiler +MVP_Violet vs. ZeNEX Kyrix
Well, Kyrix cheesed Losira twice ZvZ, showing his confidence in the matchup. Violet managed to beat Ace, illustrating his overall skill. Violet's games vs. SlayerS_Yugioh were both 20+ minute macro ZvZ's that he won convincingly, judging purely on GSL play, Violet has a big edge over Kyrix who seems to lack confidence in the matchup.
Loser vs. oGsTheWind
The Wind has no games played ZvZ this season and so there are no recent tournament results to go by. From memory he seems to be solid in the matchup and has a good chance against either player. The Wind has a reputation of being a very solid Zerg, more so than Violet and especially Kyrix.
Assuming Kyrix: Win for the wind
Assuming Violet: Small edge to The Wind
Group G
+ Show Spoiler +IMMvp vs. TSL_Rain
I'm almost certain that Mvp is banking on beating Rain to secure back his code S position. Mvp just got finished with his second place finish in Code A, losing by one game to Bomber and dominating Keen in the semifinals. Mvp has a well practiced TvT from code A while Rain hasn't played a TvT this season. The safe choice is Mvp, but Mvp does tend to under react to aggressive infantry builds, so if the cheese factory is back open for business, he could lose.
Loser vs. ST_Rainbow
A lot of people will immediately assume the Rainbow would win over Rain; however, Rainbow was coming out of a group of all terrans and was just purely out played in each game. This game will be a lot closer than expected…well unless it's Mvp: who has no real business losing either of these matches.
Group H
+ Show Spoiler +ST_Bomber vs. FoxLyn
Interestingly, Bomber chose an all terran group like Mvp, both players are, and deserve to be, confident in TvT. Lyn didn't play a TvT at all this season and so naturally any sane person has to assume that Bomber will take this match. Bomber is coming off a hot streak of great TvT play, and no one should expect Lyn to take this series off of him.
Loser vs. oGs Ensnare
Assuming Lyn: This match has potential to be very close. Lyn hasn't played TvT in a while so there's potential for an upset, but based on pure reputation Ensnare has an edge. Neither player is spectacular at the matchup from past games, but both are definitely good enough to entertain.
Assuming Bomber: bomber seems to play a lot tighter TvT then ST_Virus who Ensnare lost to, going by this GSL alone, I have to give Bomber an edge, his TvT is looking very strong. Ensnare lost to some pretty basic drop play, and against Bomber's well planned positioning and drop play, he should take the win.
Most Anticipated Matches:
+ Show Spoiler +Group A: Keen vs. Trickster: both of these guys want code S and neither wants to face San. Both like macro games and should give some good ones.
Group B: Loser vs. Zenio if it's Jinro, but. Well. Basically Jinro. We all have to root for our Swedish hero and he has a very good chance to make it out of the group with his solid TvZ style. His best chance is against CoCa so best of luck.
Group C: Loser vs. CheckPrime: Neither Terran seems particularly dominant at TvT so the TvZ should be more exciting
Group D: Ryung vs. MC: MC should debut some very strong timing attacks and it will be interesting to see if Ryung is skilled enough to hold them.
Group E: The whole damn thing: MMA vs. MarineKing will be very close, with MMA having superior macro and MarineKing having superior game sense. Also Loser vs. Huk will be very good, as both terrans play similar styles so Huk should be well prepared.
Group F: Loser vs. TheWind. Kyrix plays a very cheesy ZvZ and doesn't seem confident in the matchup, if the matchup is Violet vs. TheWind, the game should be a very exciting macro ZvZ
Group G: Mvp vs. Rain, I'll be surprised if Rain doesn't cheese just because Mvp has proven to still be a beast of the matchup. The one sided roflstomps are usually the best games to learn from, so this should be good.
Group H: Bomber vs. Lyn, for the same reasons as group G
The up down matches are just getting better and better, and with two foreigners with their spots up for grabs, be sure to tune in and root for them. TeamLiquid Hwaiting!!
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Whew, HuK might actually go to Code A this time. MarineKing and MMA definitely deserves it a lot more than he does. There is a chance theWind might win this because the players are not THAT hard and that its ZvZ lol, then he can meet MC later with a troll face.
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Sorry for "bumping" this a bit but I am looking atm at TLnet Upcoming events and it says:
6h 25m [GSL] Up/Down E&F
11h 35m [GSL] Up/Down G&H
All 4 groups are in same day with 5 hours difference?
Mistake or?
Asking this because I am trying to plan my IRL around GSL matches, hehehe. :D
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On May 11 2011 06:38 whiterabbit wrote:
Sorry for "bumping" this a bit but I am looking atm at TLnet Upcoming events and it says:
6h 25m [GSL] Up/Down E&F
11h 35m [GSL] Up/Down G&H
All 4 groups are in same day with 5 hours difference?
Mistake or?
Asking this because I am trying to plan my IRL around GSL matches, hehehe. :D
Hooray I was wrong and the upcoming events is right. :D
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65262
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On May 11 2011 06:38 whiterabbit wrote:
Sorry for "bumping" this a bit but I am looking atm at TLnet Upcoming events and it says:
6h 25m [GSL] Up/Down E&F
11h 35m [GSL] Up/Down G&H
All 4 groups are in same day with 5 hours difference?
Mistake or?
Asking this because I am trying to plan my IRL around GSL matches, hehehe. :D
That is correct. It is due to the patch coming out at the end of the week(?).
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On May 11 2011 06:43 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 06:38 whiterabbit wrote:
Sorry for "bumping" this a bit but I am looking atm at TLnet Upcoming events and it says:
6h 25m [GSL] Up/Down E&F
11h 35m [GSL] Up/Down G&H
All 4 groups are in same day with 5 hours difference?
Mistake or?
Asking this because I am trying to plan my IRL around GSL matches, hehehe. :D Hooray I was wrong and the upcoming events is right. :D http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65262
Wow, cool - day full of GSL, me liiiiikeeees! :-)
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well.......
+ Show Spoiler + i saw game one of HuK vs MMA (think HuK played pretty well, not sure why he didnt pull probes earlier though. He knew it was an all in from MMA he was obviously gonna have the economic lead. I feel like he could have won a bit earlier if he had probes in too.
Does anyone know the final result? i only got to see game 1
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On May 11 2011 22:10 ThatGuy89 wrote:well....... + Show Spoiler + i saw game one of HuK vs MMA (think HuK played pretty well, not sure why he didnt pull probes earlier though. He knew it was an all in from MMA he was obviously gonna have the economic lead. I feel like he could have won a bit earlier if he had probes in too.
Does anyone know the final result? i only got to see game 1
+ Show Spoiler +
Yay.
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On May 11 2011 22:18 act.hero wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 22:10 ThatGuy89 wrote:well....... + Show Spoiler + i saw game one of HuK vs MMA (think HuK played pretty well, not sure why he didnt pull probes earlier though. He knew it was an all in from MMA he was obviously gonna have the economic lead. I feel like he could have won a bit earlier if he had probes in too.
Does anyone know the final result? i only got to see game 1 + Show Spoiler +Yay.
yay
+ Show Spoiler +did he 2-0 him?
so that means huk and mvp in code s?
still love to see idra there tbh
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Team Liquid's a North American site? It is according to DoA.
Not surprising, given that Victor Goossens is the most Anglican name I've ever heard (?).
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On May 12 2011 00:37 RHMVNovus wrote:
Team Liquid's a North American site? It is according to DoA.
Not surprising, given that Victor Goossens is the most Anglican name I've ever heard (?).
It's an international site ;>. Victor Goossens is Dutch + Show Spoiler +SO IT'S A DUTCH SITE, NL WOOHOO
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Anyone else find it funny that the top 3 Koreans by ELO were in the up and down matches, and the 4th guy never entered a GSL? ;P
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On May 12 2011 00:37 RHMVNovus wrote:
Team Liquid's a North American site?
Flagfox says it's server is in the US :D
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