On May 05 2011 19:49 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
finally anypro showing why he is where he is.
finally anypro showing why he is where he is.
Showing why NesTeas strategy isn't the holy grail that zergs have not discovered yet according to this thread*
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United States3087 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1221
On May 05 2011 19:49 FarbrorAbavna wrote: finally anypro showing why he is where he is. Showing why NesTeas strategy isn't the holy grail that zergs have not discovered yet according to this thread* | ||
Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1222
On May 05 2011 19:47 najreteip wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2011 19:46 diLLa wrote: On May 05 2011 19:45 Nolot wrote: Pretty pathetic how 2 zerg allins is suddenly 'best play in the world' and when the protoss goes allin its a random noob. Seems like another allin in game3 upcoming MC plays like that too and is widly considered best protoss. And it wasn't all-in, it's called strategic play and exploiting the enemies weakness. Do garanteed damage and it's not all-in. I agree, no way that was all-in, just a perfect timing push An all-in that's going to work is still an all-in -_- | ||
Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1223
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Kavas
Australia3421 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1224
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1225
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Sajiki
Germany522 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1226
you guys are not better than any dumb thread in the battle.net forums. seriously. | ||
Moonwrath
United States9568 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1227
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1228
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1229
He sees hydras but continues with his double stargate play and makes so many phoenixes that he can lift everything! | ||
Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1230
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CodeskyE
United States777 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1231
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1232
On May 05 2011 19:43 Jehct wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2011 19:42 SundeR. wrote: On May 05 2011 19:41 Jehct wrote: On May 05 2011 19:39 SundeR. wrote: On May 05 2011 19:39 Moonwrath wrote: On May 05 2011 19:38 Nolot wrote: Nestea not confident in his macro it seems, going for 2 allin builds in a row Jesus Christ are people really this dense or am I being trolled? You're being trolled, for sure. How is ling/hydra an all in when he still had money to expand, as well as he saw there was no colossus? Attacking at any time without 4 bases is now an all-in, apparently. If that push doesn't kill the opponent you're on 2 base with pure hydraling against colossus tech. That's a total all-in, that's like saying 2 base colossus timings aren't allin because you can skip a warp-in and grab a third - sure, but you're super behind for no benefit. He could easily have retreated from a Colossus, and taken a third, and chilled. Hell, if he had a faster colossus he could have even taken that out. You have absolutely no way to hold the 2-3 colossus push that should be impending on your third from that position in the game. If that build doesn't do serious damage you're behind - the definition of an all-in. No, that's the definition of a failed attack. Any attack that fails will leave you behind, duh! An allin is where you have no reasonable prospect of winning the game if it fails to deal heavy damage. Not just being behind. | ||
cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1233
On May 05 2011 19:46 hugman wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2011 19:40 coolUndSo wrote: On May 05 2011 19:36 RogerChillingworth wrote: On May 05 2011 19:34 Executor1 wrote: More like 6 angry zerg players. "No, how dare a Zerg win! Now people won't believe us when we complain!" LOL so true, look at all the zergs trying to defend how much their race sucks after that game. Its rather pathetic. It was a fucking cheese, dude. Relax. If anything, it's indicative of Nestea not wanting to play a longer game. no, just NO there was no cheese by nestea he expanded while moving out and did it another time when it was save how is that a cheese? Yeah, ofc it wasn't cheese So many people here don't have any idea what they're talking about, but it's definitely a push that's meant to end the game. The expansion is a backup plan, but he still needs to do a lot of damage because you cut a lot of econ to make that many Hydras on 2-base. I dont understand how all all in have become this term to describe any kind of creative early play or play with any risks involved. Protoss and terrans do it all the time its about time zergs started doing it. This balance talk between zergs and the rest of the sc2 community has really started to get out of hand though, it distracts me fromm the games, i need to close teamliquid so i can enjoy these quality games. looks like this game is in it for the long term, sick pheonix play by anypro, pheonix are awesome if you can pick up enough hydras. | ||
anatem
Romania1369 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1234
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SundeR.
Australia112 Posts
May 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#1235
On May 05 2011 19:49 Jehct wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2011 19:46 SundeR. wrote: On May 05 2011 19:45 Jehct wrote: On May 05 2011 19:44 Dommk wrote: On May 05 2011 19:41 Jehct wrote: On May 05 2011 19:39 SundeR. wrote: On May 05 2011 19:39 Moonwrath wrote: On May 05 2011 19:38 Nolot wrote: Nestea not confident in his macro it seems, going for 2 allin builds in a row Jesus Christ are people really this dense or am I being trolled? You're being trolled, for sure. How is ling/hydra an all in when he still had money to expand, as well as he saw there was no colossus? Attacking at any time without 4 bases is now an all-in, apparently. If that push doesn't kill the opponent you're on 2 base with pure hydraling against colossus tech. That's a total all-in, that's like saying 2 base colossus timings aren't allin because you can skip a warp-in and grab a third - sure, but you're super behind for no benefit. You are on 2 base Hydra-Ling against a Protoss who has only enough income to make nothing but Zealots and Colossus. "2 Base Colossus all-ins" with only 1 base with of income to reinforce doesn't work I'm confused, I would include "killing the natural" in terms of "killing the opponent". If that build doesn't do serious damage you're a long way behind ie. it's an allin. You don't know what you are talking about. At all. You have to explain statements like that to avoid looking foolish. It's a timing attack. The Protoss could not chase him. At any point Nestea can cut drones, expand, make a round of drones and put up a spire. Realising that your opponent is being super-greedy and choosing to do a timing attack does not make it an all-in. What if protoss did a two base 3-gate aggression and Nestea took an early third? What if Protoss lost that army? Is that an all-in? | ||
najreteip
Belgium4158 Posts
May 05 2011 10:51 GMT
#1236
On May 05 2011 19:50 Jehct wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2011 19:47 najreteip wrote: On May 05 2011 19:46 diLLa wrote: On May 05 2011 19:45 Nolot wrote: Pretty pathetic how 2 zerg allins is suddenly 'best play in the world' and when the protoss goes allin its a random noob. Seems like another allin in game3 upcoming MC plays like that too and is widly considered best protoss. And it wasn't all-in, it's called strategic play and exploiting the enemies weakness. Do garanteed damage and it's not all-in. I agree, no way that was all-in, just a perfect timing push An all-in that's going to work is still an all-in -_- Not when you expand while doing it | ||
OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
May 05 2011 10:51 GMT
#1237
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BuzZoo
Australia1468 Posts
May 05 2011 10:51 GMT
#1238
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diLLa
Netherlands247 Posts
May 05 2011 10:51 GMT
#1239
On May 05 2011 19:50 Jehct wrote: Show nested quote + On May 05 2011 19:47 najreteip wrote: On May 05 2011 19:46 diLLa wrote: On May 05 2011 19:45 Nolot wrote: Pretty pathetic how 2 zerg allins is suddenly 'best play in the world' and when the protoss goes allin its a random noob. Seems like another allin in game3 upcoming MC plays like that too and is widly considered best protoss. And it wasn't all-in, it's called strategic play and exploiting the enemies weakness. Do garanteed damage and it's not all-in. I agree, no way that was all-in, just a perfect timing push An all-in that's going to work is still an all-in -_- Not if you have the information you need that can do GARANTEED damage. even if you lose your army, you done the damage needed to balance off your own loss. Stop being ignorant man | ||
eluv
United States1251 Posts
May 05 2011 10:51 GMT
#1240
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