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On May 05 2011 19:45 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:44 Dommk wrote:On May 05 2011 19:41 Jehct wrote:On May 05 2011 19:39 SundeR. wrote:On May 05 2011 19:39 Moonwrath wrote:On May 05 2011 19:38 Nolot wrote: Nestea not confident in his macro it seems, going for 2 allin builds in a row Jesus Christ are people really this dense or am I being trolled? You're being trolled, for sure. How is ling/hydra an all in when he still had money to expand, as well as he saw there was no colossus? Attacking at any time without 4 bases is now an all-in, apparently. If that push doesn't kill the opponent you're on 2 base with pure hydraling against colossus tech. That's a total all-in, that's like saying 2 base colossus timings aren't allin because you can skip a warp-in and grab a third - sure, but you're super behind for no benefit. You are on 2 base Hydra-Ling against a Protoss who has only enough income to make nothing but Zealots and Colossus. "2 Base Colossus all-ins" with only 1 base with of income to reinforce doesn't work I'm confused, I would include "killing the natural" in terms of "killing the opponent". If that build doesn't do serious damage you're a long way behind ie. it's an allin.
You don't know what you are talking about. At all.
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On May 05 2011 19:39 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:36 W2 wrote:On May 05 2011 19:26 ELA wrote: idra's statement about zerg vs. protoss forge FE on this weeks state of the game, is now completely nullified :D
No offensive options for zerg? Well, next time, just ask Nestea i want idra's comment on this.. LOL Idra states time and time again that zerg has no offensive options without going all-in, what exactly do you think that push was? It was a 2 base hydraling all-in. Everyone needs to stop bringing up balance and SOTG and enjoy these games for what they are: excellent reads and decision making by a great zerg who seems to totally outclass his opponent. It seems lots of Zergs think anything but building drones and just enough units to defend, is all in. You can be aggressive without going allin you know.
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On May 05 2011 19:40 coolUndSo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:36 RogerChillingworth wrote:On May 05 2011 19:34 Executor1 wrote:More like 6 angry zerg players. "No, how dare a Zerg win! Now people won't believe us when we complain!" LOL so true, look at all the zergs trying to defend how much their race sucks after that game. Its rather pathetic. It was a fucking cheese, dude. Relax. If anything, it's indicative of Nestea not wanting to play a longer game. no, just NO there was no cheese by nestea he expanded while moving out and did it another time when it was save how is that a cheese? Yeah, ofc it wasn't cheese So many people here don't have any idea what they're talking about, but it's definitely a push that's meant to end the game. The expansion is a backup plan, but he still needs to do a lot of damage because you cut a lot of econ to make that many Hydras on 2-base.
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On May 05 2011 19:45 Talho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:43 Moochlol wrote: Pro tip, it was all in. Not cheese. Just a great play. Its like tastosis said, it was reactive play. doing something that has a 90 to 100% chance to win doesnt make it an all-in anymore By the logic some people are putting out here, every attack is all-in since if you lose your army without doing damage, the game is over.
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I think Nestea was trying to get anypro to FF himself in so Nestea could turn around and snipe that nexus.
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what is he doing... mass void ray/phoenix vs hydra?
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Getting so many lings for nothing was so bad, why did he do that?
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On May 05 2011 19:44 W2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:39 Jehct wrote:On May 05 2011 19:36 W2 wrote:On May 05 2011 19:26 ELA wrote: idra's statement about zerg vs. protoss forge FE on this weeks state of the game, is now completely nullified :D
No offensive options for zerg? Well, next time, just ask Nestea i want idra's comment on this.. LOL Idra states time and time again that zerg has no offensive options without going all-in, what exactly do you think that push was? It was a 2 base hydraling all-in. Everyone needs to stop bringing up balance and SOTG and enjoy these games for what they are: excellent reads and decision making by a great zerg who seems to totally outclass his opponent. You're thinking about the wrong game, check above quotes to see which game we were talking about. 3 spines = all in? 
3 spines at ~25 drones with a rushed lair tech and no other tech is all-in, yes. That's 300/0 and 3 drones or 450/0 and three larva, depending on how you want to look at it, at like the 5 minute mark, as well as rushed tech. Super all-in.
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so idra predicted that anypro would play a really abusive pvz style and he was right on the mark - but nobody thought that nestea would study anypro's style in order to find vulnerable timings that he could abuse. and now, anypro has to stick with standard play just to not go out in humiliating fashion 0-3. anypro's in great shape actually this game, taking his second relatively quickly and unchallenged while adding a second stargate. i suspect a wierd 2 base gateway + void / phoenix timing push.
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another all in
this time with +2
the funny thing is that it's gonna work again
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building a spire while you are pushing with a lot of hydras is not really an all-in to me, especially when you are doing that much of damage (even with a colossus, without the range upgrade, it's not that big of a deal IMO).
go nestea !
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On May 05 2011 19:46 diLLa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 19:45 Nolot wrote: Pretty pathetic how 2 zerg allins is suddenly 'best play in the world' and when the protoss goes allin its a random noob. Seems like another allin in game3 upcoming MC plays like that too and is widly considered best protoss. And it wasn't all-in, it's called strategic play and exploiting the enemies weakness. Do garanteed damage and it's not all-in. I agree, no way that was all-in, just a perfect timing push
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nestea doing a 2 base timing with hydras? i dont know about this, but it might work as anypro has nothing near colli tech...
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he needs carriers now or hell die
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Nestea going to destroy him with Hydras again. Had 10 queued at one point.
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Why does anypro keep going stargateand giving nestea a free win :S
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I hate how people discredit all-ins or claiming other player "all in". All in is part of the plan in a series and players in BW all ins from time to time too.
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NesTea getting hydra range and +2 ranged weapons, Anypro getting +1 air weapons. NesTea moving his hydras out to the watchtower.
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