EPTNASL Week 4 Day 1 - Page 67
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
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Kich
United States339 Posts
In particular, game one where he lost his sentry. That was lag, that was rather clearly lag in fact. Yet later on in game 2, he expertly micro's individual stalkers to kite 5 marines and had the accuracy of hitting weaker marines while moving them both around--how exactly does your lag argument account for rather intense micro (in a lagging environment it would be harder to click specific marines while managing the movement of 2 units that aren't particularly close together). So while yes, unit control, the ability to move and instruct units could be compromised, that almost never came up in either game. It was his decisions with those units that were the real issue. I don't think it's rational to try and say that minor inconveniences to moving units around affected his decision making to the point of suicide, his building placement to the point of entire base failure, and his money management to the point of mineral / gas flooding that occurred in those two games. Seriously, lag doesn't turn you into an armless toddler, you can actually still think rationally, if only partially, during bouts of lag. Every single attack evoked -massive- over reaction from Artosis, it didn't look like lag was causing it (because lag doesn't have nearly the impact you're trying to claim it does on the human psyche), it looked like a fundamental misunderstanding of how weak 10 marines are to 8 stalkers. There was no "Wow I'm having such trouble micro'ing my stalkers, I better pull my probes if he attacks with a negligible number of marines" moment, because quite frankly, game 2 showed objectively that lag was not an issue--his micro was perfectly fine and above average, his decision making threw him under the bus. You're referring really, really hard to the SOTG episode where someone mentioned he 'took a few games off of july zerg on the ladder', the lack of context and the fact that it was on a ladder makes that statement significantly less potent and not an accurate comparison to what is happening right now. | ||
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raist
Canada90 Posts
 I'm not a very good commentator though | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
NASL Division 1 projections updated with today's results: Name ELO Record Points Sheth 2211 7 10Note the TLPD elo pulled does not reflect today's results, giving a more conservative prediction than it would had been otherwise. NASL Prospectus: Division Projection with TLPD elo. | ||
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MajorityofOne
Canada2506 Posts
Would love to see a Terran like TLO of Fenix take the second spot, but right now MorroW and Moon are prolly better bets | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
His next matches are against people I'm fairly confident that he can beat except maybe Moon and TLO will probably be hard too, but the others he should win pretty handily I feel. | ||
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G_Law
United States1 Post
What I'm saying is, yes, lag affects him. We've heard you. But you can't excuse everything, can you? We all saw MC blow away Thorzain's Ghosts with half a dozen Feedbacks in 1 second during TSL 3. We saw Ace take 3 sets out of 3, without dropping a game. Lag matters, I'm 100% certain. But why can't you acknowledge a skill gap? I can't believe I did this...but I signed up and just wanted to mention that MC vs. Thorzain was EU vs. Eu so no real lag...As for Ace, I guess I can point to little things where his micro could have been better, but I haven't seen too many of his games to compare. Anyways, this has been an issue that's been annoying me since I started to follow TL, especially when the bans started to be given out for certain people speaking out about the lag issue though some of them admittedly did it in inappropriate manners. Especially when Jinro posted his thread on the lag issue, while he presented his opinion eloquently, there were just so many people twisting things as to say "FOREIGNERS PWN THEM KOREANS EASY" and going on about how stupid and how it's so damn retarded of the opposing side that we need Jinro to speak out about it. That was just a low point IMO in terms of discussion. At the very least it appears the side that sees lag as a big issue and diluting the results is winning out nowadays. Rainbow's (poor guy) games clearly demonstrated it due to it being recorded live. And even the casters admitting to lag at several points, now with idra and tyler in SOTG admitting it. | ||
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QuanChi
Brazil133 Posts
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On May 05 2011 13:50 Uhh Negative wrote: When I played SC2 for the few months I played, I was playing on a tablet, that's like the definition of laggy play, lol, getting like 10-15 fps. The lag itself didn't cause me to forget injects, make units, etc, it just made it a little more difficult to do. Oh well, no big deal. I feel like this is a pointless argument as it doesn't matter either way. Not wanting to fuel the fire but Lag v Latency are Completely different issues altogether. | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
On May 05 2011 14:13 Skithiryx wrote: Not wanting to fuel the fire but Lag v Latency are Completely different issues altogether. Yes I agree, it is different. Graphics lag vs latency but both are also similar in some aspects. Not very applicable though, I must agree. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
so basically his games sucked to the second degree. at least they were funny yay incontoll and graycorpse | ||
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Fries
United States124 Posts
On May 05 2011 14:36 Headshot wrote: Wait, how many advance out of each group? Top 2 advance automatically. Bottom 2 are out completely and don't qualify for next season. The remaining 6 of each group play a mini-tournament to determine the third player of each group to go to the finals tourney of 16. This is how I understand it. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On May 05 2011 14:52 Fries wrote: Top 2 advance automatically. Bottom 2 are out completely and don't qualify for next season. The remaining 6 of each group play a mini-tournament to determine the third player of each group to go to the finals tourney of 16. This is how I understand it. Close but incorrect. Each division gets two slots in the grand finale. Everything else is league-wide and not division dependent. + Show Spoiler [NASL format in detail] + 1. The top 2 of each division is seeded into the Grand Finales League-wide: 2. The next 20 players (ranked by record, points, then head-to-head) will go into a playoffs for 5 wildcard spots in the Grand Finales. 3. All above players + the next four players automatically qualify for NASL next season. 4. Bottom 16 players are relegated (removed) from NASL. They'll need to compete in the open tournament for 8 at-large spots if they want to continuing playing in NASL for Season 2. My projections give one possible scenario for how this will play out. You can check it out here. | ||
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Coolwhip
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
 He was a better player as a zerg | ||
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Lightwish01
65 Posts
On May 05 2011 16:11 koolaid1990 wrote: Watch Artosis's stream, then watch Huk's stream. You can see a CLEAR difference in skill, artosis feels like he has gold level apm, although this is funny considering he was a pretty good broodwar player. Artosis cant even get into grand master He was a better player as a zerg Your correct. I watched Artosis's stream and he just doesnt play like the pro's. He makes many errors that normal pros would not make. This doesnt mean he doesnt know the game....in fact there is probably nobody better than him at knowing the game. He just isnt a great player anymore is all. Perhaps with practice he will get his groove back | ||
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Maskedsatyr
Singapore1245 Posts
On May 05 2011 16:17 Lightwish01 wrote: Your correct. I watched Artosis's stream and he just doesnt play like the pro's. He makes many errors that normal pros would not make. This doesnt mean he doesnt know the game....in fact there is probably nobody better than him at knowing the game. He just isnt a great player anymore is all. Perhaps with practice he will get his groove back His stream is so awesome though. | ||
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SgtPepper
United States568 Posts
On May 05 2011 13:46 Irave wrote: I don't see why people are needing to be so critical of Artosis's play. He was a fan favorite and got voted into the NASL. Not by tournament results, not by being a part of a big named team. He is an undeniable fan favorite, he doesn't have the same amount of free time as the other competitors to practice this game. People want to see him win, because he is such a valued person of this community. I will continue to support him even after sloppy games, because he has the eye of the tiger! This. I totally agree. I don't think anyone really expected Artosis to all of the sudden start dominating the pro scene. I value his impact on the community and root for him to do well. And that's it. | ||
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