EPTNASL Week 4 Day 1 - Page 69
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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loveeholicce
Korea (South)785 Posts
On May 05 2011 22:18 57 Corvette wrote: No offense to Artosis, but he should stick to coaching/casting. He is much better at those two things than playing. Artosis isn't really a player though. If he dedicated himself as much as he did in BW he could probably make it, but right now he doesn't. I think he has the skill but doesn't really belong in the NASL atm. Would have much rather preferred some1 like Thorzain to be invited | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
Maybe he has given up on the NASL? | ||
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setmeal
162 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On May 05 2011 22:18 infinity2k9 wrote: Could have got Mondragon in the NASL, instead they picked Artosis. Nice There are dozens of players better than both Mondragon and Artosis that they could have picked. | ||
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theMarkovian
Netherlands183 Posts
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Aristodemus
England1992 Posts
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oldahe
Austria534 Posts
Thank you guys, keep it up | ||
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Lumin
United States217 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On May 05 2011 22:18 infinity2k9 wrote: Could have got Mondragon in the NASL, instead they picked Artosis. Nice I think their biggest mistake was not picking the Praetoriani guys. Thorzain and Nightend are both amazing players. Hopefully they will play on season 2. | ||
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Aristodemus
England1992 Posts
On May 05 2011 23:05 Bagi wrote: I think their biggest mistake was not picking the Praetoriani guys. Thorzain and Nightend are both amazing players. Hopefully they will play on season 2. Er Kas, Dimaga, Demuslim? They have all achieved way more than the prae guys. | ||
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LwReisen
Australia94 Posts
On May 05 2011 13:41 IdrA wrote: dont talk about what you dont understand, playing in latency throws everything off. its a massive distraction and it forces you to play different styles. especially for protoss, you literally cannot depend on forcefielding correctly and half of protoss' game is built around forcefield. not to mention the actual direct handicap of not being able to micro as well as your opponent. results of players playing cross server with korea are absolutely meaningless Therefore, Koreans (and people living in Korea) shouldn't play in non-korean tournaments the complain about it afterwards; if you don't think you can handle the lag, don't play in the tournament - it's really as simple as that. The TLDR is: It's the players choice as to whether or not they want to play in the tournament; however if they choose to play any right they have to bitch dissipates. ---> makes TL's decision to not participate in EG tournament justifiable as well. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On May 05 2011 22:39 setmeal wrote: I know Artosis is a terrible player right now. 100% loss rate in NASL and all that. But can we at least show him some support? Judging from how often he rages on his stream, I am sure he is also very upset with his performance right now. Come on guys! Some words of encouragement for the In my humble opinion. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On May 05 2011 23:20 LwReisen wrote: Therefore, Koreans (and people living in Korea) shouldn't play in non-korean tournaments the complain about it afterwards; if you don't think you can handle the lag, don't play in the tournament - it's really as simple as that. The TLDR is: It's the players choice as to whether or not they want to play in the tournament; however if they choose to play any right they have to bitch dissipates. ---> makes TL's decision to not participate in EG tournament justifiable as well. I don't think there is some kind of contract that says "I shall vow to never mention latency while playing in this tournament". They're not bitching at the tournament organizers. There's nothing wrong with saying that bad latency has negatively affected their play. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On May 05 2011 23:07 Aristodemus wrote: Er Kas, Dimaga, Demuslim? They have all achieved way more than the prae guys. Dimaga's application was apparently sent in after the deadline and DeMuslim was injured when NASL began. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
It's funny how easily people can hate with such ignorance. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 05 2011 22:37 Jakkerr wrote: Artosis said on his stream a few days ago he stopped practicing on the NA server because he thought the lag was too frustrating. Maybe he has given up on the NASL? That honestly sounds like more of a passive version of an excuse for losing. I know other players have had problem with lag he should try and work something out though, like possibly playing at the ogs house regardless of lag some of his decision making is wayyy more than questionable. I know that when the lag is bad things can kind of spiral out of control you miss worker timings you cant micro you miss expansion timing /warp in timings, but putting all your buildings on 1 pylon? you know how much hes made fun of pro gamers in the GSL for doing that before? it shouldnt be a mistake he makes gold players know not to do this. Its not only that all of his decision making is questionable , warping in the wrong sets of units, poorly placed forcefields on ramps (regardless of lag thats no excuse for the placement of them ie letting units still stream up) pushing out at wierd times pulling probes at wierd times, not reacting to drops at all (its not like the lag makes him a minute lalte to respond to that its half a second max probably aside from a few spikes, obviously 500ms can be really detrimental to your play and your micro, but it shouldnt be affecting his decision making as much as it has) Also watching ace do some of the best blink micro i have ever seen vs MC leads me to beleive that he should maybe try to find somewhere else to play(ogs house?) where the lag isnt as much of an issue. I would love to see artosis do well, but honestly alot of his mistakes seem to be fromm lack of experience and practice, i never thought he was a good choice for the league, minigun (who was very close to being accepted but was replaced by cruncher) would have been a far better choice or if we are considering artosis a korean pick there are obviously TONS of koreans that would have put up a better showing. Overall its been about 50/50 for lag seeming to affect koreans, rainbow seems to have gotten really unlucky in terms of lag in his games, Ensnare as well didnt seem to have the best latency at times as well as july zerg. Ace has been impressing me a ton though, im not sure but i know he was in australia at one point and ive heard from some australian players that he ping can be as low as 150ms for NA depending on the time of day. So maybe he was in australia during the game against MC because that blink micro doesnt seem like something that would be possible with a 3-500ms latency, if he was in korea all the koreans should be going to play wherever he was playing at! At least they addressed lag issues on SOTG, i was happy they didnt take a "no its fine" approach like the TSL, honestly i really commend the TSL for the way they approach cross server games, its really quite fair but for the EU vs KR games there is a huge disparity between latency of koreans and latency of europeans, im sure they chose the best possible solution NA server but just because its the best possible solution doesnt mean its an equal playing field for both players, I think Nestea and MVP would moost likely made it to the round of 8 at least pretty easily if TSL were say a live tournament. sigh getting a bit off track but i really hope one day we can live in a world where there is no latency no matter where in the world yoou play =D. | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On May 05 2011 23:53 ffadicted wrote: Artosis is not nearly as bad as some people are making him out to be, it's hilarious. You watch a couple games from one tournament played on a big latency issues from a guy who barely practices for this tourney and all of a sudden you think you're an expert at his play style and judging how good he could be/telling him to stick to casting. It's funny how easily people can hate with such ignorance. Ignorance? dude we all saw him play, other players have been dealing with the lag just fine, ace is undefeated in his group. Some players have been dealing better than others artosis is at a mid diamond level i think more people are critisizing the NASL for choosing him than anything we all love artosis and its pretty sad to see him lose so terribly every game like he hasnt stood a chance in a single game, even players that have been lagging really badly like rainbow (also said to be a player that doesnt practice much) have had good showing regardless of all their losses, there hasnt been a single game where ive been like yea artosis has a pretty good chance 10 minutes into the game, by 10 minutes iits pretty easy to tell that hes lostt in every game. Ill eat my words if he beats at least 2 people in this group, thats gonna be pretty hard though. "its funny how people can hate with such ignorance" lol what a wierd thing to say. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
In the games showed yesterday, he played outright terribly and I felt like I was watching Fenix take on a diamond player. It happens, but it was disappointing as hell, especially since NASL week 4 day 1 was kind of an underwhelming day as the games were pretty bad (in my opinion). Now I thought game 1 was a fluke, but when he pulled his expo's probes to defend in game 2, I literally yelled "what the fuck" at my screen before they even died, which startled my friend over Skype. How does someone who knows the game so well be unaware that he had the advantage in that fight? Such terrible decision-making... I generally don't criticize players too much when their macro slips or they make big micro mistakes, those things happen... But that probe thing... I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that it was just a mistake... I don't know how to say this but it was a huge judgement error and we rarely see someone misjudge a situation this much in leagues of this importance. | ||
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