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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
May 05 2011 13:18 GMT
#1361
No offense to Artosis, but he should stick to coaching/casting. He is much better at those two things than playing.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 13:19:15
May 05 2011 13:18 GMT
#1362
Could have got Mondragon in the NASL, instead they picked Artosis. Nice
loveeholicce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)785 Posts
May 05 2011 13:34 GMT
#1363
On May 05 2011 22:18 57 Corvette wrote:
No offense to Artosis, but he should stick to coaching/casting. He is much better at those two things than playing.


Artosis isn't really a player though. If he dedicated himself as much as he did in BW he could probably make it, but right now he doesn't. I think he has the skill but doesn't really belong in the NASL atm. Would have much rather preferred some1 like Thorzain to be invited
상처받은 그대에 가슴에 사랑을 심어줄께요♥
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 13:37:46
May 05 2011 13:37 GMT
#1364
Artosis said on his stream a few days ago he stopped practicing on the NA server because he thought the lag was too frustrating.
Maybe he has given up on the NASL?
setmeal
Profile Joined March 2011
162 Posts
May 05 2011 13:39 GMT
#1365
I know Artosis is a terrible player right now. 100% loss rate in NASL and all that. But can we at least show him some support? Judging from how often he rages on his stream, I am sure he is also very upset with his performance right now. Come on guys! Some words of encouragement for the 2nd best english commentator in Korea please?
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 05 2011 13:39 GMT
#1366
On May 05 2011 22:18 infinity2k9 wrote:
Could have got Mondragon in the NASL, instead they picked Artosis. Nice

There are dozens of players better than both Mondragon and Artosis that they could have picked.
theMarkovian
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands183 Posts
May 05 2011 13:41 GMT
#1367
You are all talking about Artosis in the NASL, which is exactly the reason he was invited.
Hit me up ingame! ID: Markovian.126; Diamond@EU
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
May 05 2011 14:00 GMT
#1368
While i agree artosis ist good enough to be selected on talent alone, it made sense to invite him because he has a huge fanbase. Lag or no lag he was always going to struggle. This is the only season of invites so it wont happen again and it looks likely he will be relegated out of the competition. If i was going to complain (which im not it is up to NASL who they invite) i would be looking more at the vibe, moman, dde, stalife, catz, drewbie type players than grubby or artosis. Players that are in supposedly on talent.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
oldahe
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 14:03:50
May 05 2011 14:02 GMT
#1369
This goes to the organizers! People!!! You need to take care of spoilers @ the justin.tv VODs. I paid 25$ just to watch VODs and am spoilered every single time.

Thank you guys,
keep it up
Lumin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States217 Posts
May 05 2011 14:05 GMT
#1370
Has Artosis ever won a SC2 game to date in a tournament?
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 14:06:28
May 05 2011 14:05 GMT
#1371
On May 05 2011 22:18 infinity2k9 wrote:
Could have got Mondragon in the NASL, instead they picked Artosis. Nice

I think their biggest mistake was not picking the Praetoriani guys.

Thorzain and Nightend are both amazing players. Hopefully they will play on season 2.
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
May 05 2011 14:07 GMT
#1372
On May 05 2011 23:05 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 22:18 infinity2k9 wrote:
Could have got Mondragon in the NASL, instead they picked Artosis. Nice

I think their biggest mistake was not picking the Praetoriani guys.

Thorzain and Nightend are both amazing players. Hopefully they will play on season 2.


Er Kas, Dimaga, Demuslim? They have all achieved way more than the prae guys.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
LwReisen
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia94 Posts
May 05 2011 14:20 GMT
#1373
On May 05 2011 13:41 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 13:33 Uhh Negative wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:31 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:26 Uhh Negative wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:25 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:21 Uhh Negative wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:18 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:14 Uhh Negative wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:11 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:08 Executor1 wrote:
I am glad they did address the lag issue on SOTG i agree that the TSL sentiment that there wasnt any lag in korea vs EU was pretty annoying. That was the one time where i actually agreed with idra last night.


It is annoying. So many people clearly have no idea how much lag affects performance - not just actual micro, but also morale, confidence, and concentration. I see so many fallacious counterpoints to try to "disprove" lag, such as, "Oh, but *player in Korea* played so well, I don't see how there could be lag", which doesn't disprove lag at all - it only goes to make the player in Korea look really good.

It makes my head hurt, so I'm glad they addressed it on SOTG (oh, and anyone arguing with me seems to be conveniently ignoring that fact - the fact that several high-profile pros explicitly came out and said that the lag is a big factor, IdrA going as far as saying that it's a huge handicap and he doesn't play in international tournaments from Korea just because of that).

You are overplaying it, plain and simple. I don't care how crisp Artosis' connection is, Fenix is simply a better player, along with every other player Artosis has played so far. That's not to say Artosis is a bad player, he's just playing really, really good players. The result may have been closer, but there's a lot of room for it to be closer.

Maybe we should also take into consideration whether a player also woke up on the wrong side of the bed and how that affects their morale, confidence, and concentration? Or maybe we should look at the medications they are taking and see what the side effects are? There's a line you have to draw at giving players excuses.


Sure, there is a line. You seem to be implying that "lag" as an excuse lies beyond that line, which is simply ludicrous. Lag is a very measurable, provable, real thing, unlike "woke up on the wrong side of bed" and such. And having performance other than micro being affected by lag is a natural logical leap to make.

Don't strawman me by mentioning that Fenix is a better player, because I'm not saying that he isn't. I completely agree with you that the result may have been closer if there wasn't lag, and I agree that Fenix probably would have won anyway. That's not the issue here. The issue is seeing so many people going "Oh, he doesn't deserve to be here, he's a terrible player" without looking at the big picture or listening to reason.

Implying lag affected his performance in such a significant way as we saw, is ludicrous. There is just no way you can know that. Sure, it can affect someone in that way, but there a BILLION things that can affect someone's performance.


How is there no way to know if lag (something measurable, real, and handicapping according to IdrA and Tyler last night) affected performance significantly? You're trying to take something completely measurable and detectable and saying that there's no way for us to know how much it affects play. That's ridiculous. I can't believe I even have to argue this, after people on SotG clarified that it is a significant factor.

Alright, please prove to me that lag played in significant role in Artosis' series. Have you interviewed him? Were you actually controlling the keyboard and mouse?


You're trying to make yourself look credible by asking me unfair questions. I have no need to give such evidence - the evidence is all out there already without needing to be specific to Artosis.

1. Firsthand accounts and testimonies of lag being a severe handicap (said by IdrA and agreed upon by Tyler on SotG)

2. Measurable numbers that indicate latency which don't even need player testimonials to be used as evidence

To make an analogy, let's say there was a badminton match between two players, and one player had a pretty severely sprained ankle. He plays badly, and I insist that a sprained ankle is a big handicap. You're essentially telling me that we don't know for sure whether or not the sprained ankle was a big handicap without asking the player directly, even though everyone knows a sprained ankle hinders movement, causes pain that cuts into concentration, and any other pro player would say that it's a big deal. You see the absurdity? A firsthand account from Artosis is unneeded.

That's not a good analogy. A strained ankle is obviously going to affect every part of that person's ability to play badminton. It's fundamental. Latency affects the time between input and what actually happens. You cant still outplay an opponent and make good decisions with lag. It would play a far bigger role in close games which neither of these were. You don't see other players playing with lag making such huge mistakes.

I could guarantee you Artosis would not blame his result on lag.

dont talk about what you dont understand, playing in latency throws everything off. its a massive distraction and it forces you to play different styles. especially for protoss, you literally cannot depend on forcefielding correctly and half of protoss' game is built around forcefield. not to mention the actual direct handicap of not being able to micro as well as your opponent.

results of players playing cross server with korea are absolutely meaningless


Therefore, Koreans (and people living in Korea) shouldn't play in non-korean tournaments the complain about it afterwards; if you don't think you can handle the lag, don't play in the tournament - it's really as simple as that.

The TLDR is: It's the players choice as to whether or not they want to play in the tournament; however if they choose to play any right they have to bitch dissipates.

---> makes TL's decision to not participate in EG tournament justifiable as well.
MORDEKAIZER ES #1
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
May 05 2011 14:37 GMT
#1374
On May 05 2011 22:39 setmeal wrote:
I know Artosis is a terrible player right now. 100% loss rate in NASL and all that. But can we at least show him some support? Judging from how often he rages on his stream, I am sure he is also very upset with his performance right now. Come on guys! Some words of encouragement for the 2nd best english commentator in Korea please?


In my humble opinion.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
May 05 2011 14:38 GMT
#1375
On May 05 2011 23:20 LwReisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 13:41 IdrA wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:33 Uhh Negative wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:31 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:26 Uhh Negative wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:25 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:21 Uhh Negative wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:18 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:14 Uhh Negative wrote:
On May 05 2011 13:11 HolyArrow wrote:
[quote]

It is annoying. So many people clearly have no idea how much lag affects performance - not just actual micro, but also morale, confidence, and concentration. I see so many fallacious counterpoints to try to "disprove" lag, such as, "Oh, but *player in Korea* played so well, I don't see how there could be lag", which doesn't disprove lag at all - it only goes to make the player in Korea look really good.

It makes my head hurt, so I'm glad they addressed it on SOTG (oh, and anyone arguing with me seems to be conveniently ignoring that fact - the fact that several high-profile pros explicitly came out and said that the lag is a big factor, IdrA going as far as saying that it's a huge handicap and he doesn't play in international tournaments from Korea just because of that).

You are overplaying it, plain and simple. I don't care how crisp Artosis' connection is, Fenix is simply a better player, along with every other player Artosis has played so far. That's not to say Artosis is a bad player, he's just playing really, really good players. The result may have been closer, but there's a lot of room for it to be closer.

Maybe we should also take into consideration whether a player also woke up on the wrong side of the bed and how that affects their morale, confidence, and concentration? Or maybe we should look at the medications they are taking and see what the side effects are? There's a line you have to draw at giving players excuses.


Sure, there is a line. You seem to be implying that "lag" as an excuse lies beyond that line, which is simply ludicrous. Lag is a very measurable, provable, real thing, unlike "woke up on the wrong side of bed" and such. And having performance other than micro being affected by lag is a natural logical leap to make.

Don't strawman me by mentioning that Fenix is a better player, because I'm not saying that he isn't. I completely agree with you that the result may have been closer if there wasn't lag, and I agree that Fenix probably would have won anyway. That's not the issue here. The issue is seeing so many people going "Oh, he doesn't deserve to be here, he's a terrible player" without looking at the big picture or listening to reason.

Implying lag affected his performance in such a significant way as we saw, is ludicrous. There is just no way you can know that. Sure, it can affect someone in that way, but there a BILLION things that can affect someone's performance.


How is there no way to know if lag (something measurable, real, and handicapping according to IdrA and Tyler last night) affected performance significantly? You're trying to take something completely measurable and detectable and saying that there's no way for us to know how much it affects play. That's ridiculous. I can't believe I even have to argue this, after people on SotG clarified that it is a significant factor.

Alright, please prove to me that lag played in significant role in Artosis' series. Have you interviewed him? Were you actually controlling the keyboard and mouse?


You're trying to make yourself look credible by asking me unfair questions. I have no need to give such evidence - the evidence is all out there already without needing to be specific to Artosis.

1. Firsthand accounts and testimonies of lag being a severe handicap (said by IdrA and agreed upon by Tyler on SotG)

2. Measurable numbers that indicate latency which don't even need player testimonials to be used as evidence

To make an analogy, let's say there was a badminton match between two players, and one player had a pretty severely sprained ankle. He plays badly, and I insist that a sprained ankle is a big handicap. You're essentially telling me that we don't know for sure whether or not the sprained ankle was a big handicap without asking the player directly, even though everyone knows a sprained ankle hinders movement, causes pain that cuts into concentration, and any other pro player would say that it's a big deal. You see the absurdity? A firsthand account from Artosis is unneeded.

That's not a good analogy. A strained ankle is obviously going to affect every part of that person's ability to play badminton. It's fundamental. Latency affects the time between input and what actually happens. You cant still outplay an opponent and make good decisions with lag. It would play a far bigger role in close games which neither of these were. You don't see other players playing with lag making such huge mistakes.

I could guarantee you Artosis would not blame his result on lag.

dont talk about what you dont understand, playing in latency throws everything off. its a massive distraction and it forces you to play different styles. especially for protoss, you literally cannot depend on forcefielding correctly and half of protoss' game is built around forcefield. not to mention the actual direct handicap of not being able to micro as well as your opponent.

results of players playing cross server with korea are absolutely meaningless


Therefore, Koreans (and people living in Korea) shouldn't play in non-korean tournaments the complain about it afterwards; if you don't think you can handle the lag, don't play in the tournament - it's really as simple as that.

The TLDR is: It's the players choice as to whether or not they want to play in the tournament; however if they choose to play any right they have to bitch dissipates.

---> makes TL's decision to not participate in EG tournament justifiable as well.


I don't think there is some kind of contract that says "I shall vow to never mention latency while playing in this tournament". They're not bitching at the tournament organizers. There's nothing wrong with saying that bad latency has negatively affected their play.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 14:51:32
May 05 2011 14:50 GMT
#1376
On May 05 2011 23:07 Aristodemus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 23:05 Bagi wrote:
On May 05 2011 22:18 infinity2k9 wrote:
Could have got Mondragon in the NASL, instead they picked Artosis. Nice

I think their biggest mistake was not picking the Praetoriani guys.

Thorzain and Nightend are both amazing players. Hopefully they will play on season 2.


Er Kas, Dimaga, Demuslim? They have all achieved way more than the prae guys.


Dimaga's application was apparently sent in after the deadline and DeMuslim was injured when NASL began.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 14:56:26
May 05 2011 14:53 GMT
#1377
Artosis is not nearly as bad as some people are making him out to be, it's hilarious. You watch a couple games from one tournament played on a big latency issues from a guy who barely practices for this tourney and all of a sudden you think you're an expert at his play style and judging how good he could be/telling him to stick to casting.

It's funny how easily people can hate with such ignorance.
SooYoung-Noona!
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
May 05 2011 14:59 GMT
#1378
On May 05 2011 22:37 Jakkerr wrote:
Artosis said on his stream a few days ago he stopped practicing on the NA server because he thought the lag was too frustrating.
Maybe he has given up on the NASL?

That honestly sounds like more of a passive version of an excuse for losing. I know other players have had problem with lag he should try and work something out though, like possibly playing at the ogs house regardless of lag some of his decision making is wayyy more than questionable. I know that when the lag is bad things can kind of spiral out of control you miss worker timings you cant micro you miss expansion timing /warp in timings, but putting all your buildings on 1 pylon? you know how much hes made fun of pro gamers in the GSL for doing that before? it shouldnt be a mistake he makes gold players know not to do this. Its not only that all of his decision making is questionable , warping in the wrong sets of units, poorly placed forcefields on ramps (regardless of lag thats no excuse for the placement of them ie letting units still stream up) pushing out at wierd times pulling probes at wierd times, not reacting to drops at all (its not like the lag makes him a minute lalte to respond to that its half a second max probably aside from a few spikes, obviously 500ms can be really detrimental to your play and your micro, but it shouldnt be affecting his decision making as much as it has) Also watching ace do some of the best blink micro i have ever seen vs MC leads me to beleive that he should maybe try to find somewhere else to play(ogs house?) where the lag isnt as much of an issue. I would love to see artosis do well, but honestly alot of his mistakes seem to be fromm lack of experience and practice, i never thought he was a good choice for the league, minigun (who was very close to being accepted but was replaced by cruncher) would have been a far better choice or if we are considering artosis a korean pick there are obviously TONS of koreans that would have put up a better showing. Overall its been about 50/50 for lag seeming to affect koreans, rainbow seems to have gotten really unlucky in terms of lag in his games, Ensnare as well didnt seem to have the best latency at times as well as july zerg.

Ace has been impressing me a ton though, im not sure but i know he was in australia at one point and ive heard from some australian players that he ping can be as low as 150ms for NA depending on the time of day. So maybe he was in australia during the game against MC because that blink micro doesnt seem like something that would be possible with a 3-500ms latency, if he was in korea all the koreans should be going to play wherever he was playing at!

At least they addressed lag issues on SOTG, i was happy they didnt take a "no its fine" approach like the TSL, honestly i really commend the TSL for the way they approach cross server games, its really quite fair but for the EU vs KR games there is a huge disparity between latency of koreans and latency of europeans, im sure they chose the best possible solution NA server but just because its the best possible solution doesnt mean its an equal playing field for both players, I think Nestea and MVP would moost likely made it to the round of 8 at least pretty easily if TSL were say a live tournament.

sigh getting a bit off track but i really hope one day we can live in a world where there is no latency no matter where in the world yoou play =D.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
May 05 2011 15:05 GMT
#1379
On May 05 2011 23:53 ffadicted wrote:
Artosis is not nearly as bad as some people are making him out to be, it's hilarious. You watch a couple games from one tournament played on a big latency issues from a guy who barely practices for this tourney and all of a sudden you think you're an expert at his play style and judging how good he could be/telling him to stick to casting.

It's funny how easily people can hate with such ignorance.

Ignorance? dude we all saw him play, other players have been dealing with the lag just fine, ace is undefeated in his group. Some players have been dealing better than others artosis is at a mid diamond level i think more people are critisizing the NASL for choosing him than anything we all love artosis and its pretty sad to see him lose so terribly every game like he hasnt stood a chance in a single game, even players that have been lagging really badly like rainbow (also said to be a player that doesnt practice much) have had good showing regardless of all their losses, there hasnt been a single game where ive been like yea artosis has a pretty good chance 10 minutes into the game, by 10 minutes iits pretty easy to tell that hes lostt in every game.

Ill eat my words if he beats at least 2 people in this group, thats gonna be pretty hard though.

"its funny how people can hate with such ignorance" lol what a wierd thing to say.
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
May 05 2011 15:11 GMT
#1380
Artosis is awesome, he really is... I was really glad to see him in the NASL because even though I didn't expect him to win much, I thought it would be nice to see him play. I was happy with his performance in week 1 2 and 3 even though he lost those 6 games, he put up a fight and those games were decent/good.

In the games showed yesterday, he played outright terribly and I felt like I was watching Fenix take on a diamond player. It happens, but it was disappointing as hell, especially since NASL week 4 day 1 was kind of an underwhelming day as the games were pretty bad (in my opinion).

Now I thought game 1 was a fluke, but when he pulled his expo's probes to defend in game 2, I literally yelled "what the fuck" at my screen before they even died, which startled my friend over Skype. How does someone who knows the game so well be unaware that he had the advantage in that fight? Such terrible decision-making...

I generally don't criticize players too much when their macro slips or they make big micro mistakes, those things happen... But that probe thing... I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that it was just a mistake... I don't know how to say this but it was a huge judgement error and we rarely see someone misjudge a situation this much in leagues of this importance.
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