EPT[GSL] Code S r8 Day 1 - Page 84
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4561 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:54 Big J wrote: very nice of you to to not say zerg players are qq's by nature but they behave like sheeps by nature... LOL Humans behave like sheep by nature. It's human nature. Being Zerg, Terran, Protoss it makes no difference, but seeing as the subject was on Zerg's themselves my opinion pertained but not limited to Zergs only. | ||
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Orpheusz
Australia210 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:55 SxYSpAz wrote: one tourney result isn't proof enough. it definitely gives him a ton of cred, but its not the most accurate thing possible... *cough* MVP *cough* MC *cough* He made it to the ro8 last gsl iirc | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4561 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:56 Turgid wrote: Zergs got it rough in Korea right now, and combine that with Losira's matchup winrates. Over 70% in ZvP and ZvZ, under 40% in ZvT. No wonder the series turned out the way it did. 70% winrates in two match-ups is really good. of course, tiny sample size. Means nothing. | ||
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grumpyone
48 Posts
Wow. Seriously wondering about the current *vP metagames in Korea. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:56 FataLe wrote: Humans behave like sheep by nature. It's human nature. Being Zerg, Terran, Protoss it makes no difference, but seeing as the subject was on Zerg's themselves my opinion pertained but not limited to Zergs only. nah the difference between sheep with humans is that sheep make better meals. jk jk bad taste in jokes Anyways Sheep are all led by a dog also sheep as a collective conform to a higher being Humans are always led by other humans =P humans conform to a larger group of humans | ||
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Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:52 FataLe wrote: Or because they have a role model who shares his opinions freely. Not that, that discredits what he's saying. But most of these Zergs are just sheep. Whether the game has become balanced or not. They'll blame a Zerg's loss on imbalance 'till their idol says it isn't so. Sorry If I'm coming across strong :\ You are an idiot. The whole reason behind whining is that there is no Idol. The Zerg Idol does not exist, there is no one to look up to, hence zerg players are pissed. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:57 FataLe wrote: 70% winrates in two match-ups is really good. of course, tiny sample size. Means nothing. I don't think it's meaningless to look at a player's match winrates. It's hard to judge because a lot happens in SC2 over a short period of time but you can't just say "Oh yeah only 40 games, can't look at that". People did it in BW all the time. On May 03 2011 20:58 grumpyone wrote: Wow. Seriously wondering about the current *vP metagames in Korea. Now THIS is something you can talk about sample size for. Take a look at the data set for that graph; good runs from a single player in GSL send it spiraling wildly in one direction or the other. Not that it's impossible for it to be suggestive of anything but you need to be careful and possibly find other data. Ladder statistics may or may not be good. | ||
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Seditary
Australia7033 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:55 Goibon wrote: Yeah almost. Just went to Gom side, up and downs start on the 9th, which is what, Monday week? Didn't expect it to be that soon! >_< We're gonna get some evil evil groups, i can feel it. Some really tip top Code A players are gonna be up against MKP and MC. Life isn't fair As usual, Up&Downs + Code A Finals is where the juicy action is at and not the end of Code S lol. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
Someone has put it aptly already - it will be a lesson for Losira who had been rocking the scene lately. His crisis management left alot to be desired and he is a bit too careless with his units. And you should never underestimate your opponent. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:59 Reasonable wrote: You are an idiot. The whole reason behind whining is that there is no Idol. The Zerg Idol does not exist, there is no one to look up to, hence zerg players are pissed. But there are successful Zerg players like Losira, Nestea, July, Idra. They are players that stand above other players. Thus an idol/ a role model, someone to look to. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4561 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:00 Turgid wrote: I don't think it's meaningless to look at a player's match winrates. It's hard to judge because a lot happens in SC2 over a short period of time but you can't just say "Oh yeah only 40 games, can't look at that". People did it in BW all the time. Just a precaution so I don't get flamed from the stats' fanatics :D | ||
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T.Probe
United States4 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:52 FataLe wrote: Or because they have a role model who shares his opinions freely. Not that, that discredits what he's saying. But most of these Zergs are just sheep. Whether the game has become balanced or not. They'll blame a Zerg's loss on imbalance 'till their idol says it isn't so. Sorry If I'm coming across strong :\ lol, your also implying that only certain types of people play zerg based on their personality which is obviously a wrong assumption. | ||
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realstarcrafter
92 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:59 Reasonable wrote: You are an idiot. The whole reason behind whining is that there is no Idol. The Zerg Idol does not exist, there is no one to look up to, hence zerg players are pissed. There are,,, only that they're losing >.< | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
Go watch his games against BbongBbongPrime in the FXOpen, a completely atrocious Zerg. What he did (and still does) is just suicide groups of tank/marine in the first 20 minutes and then start adding medivacs and doing the same while putting PFs around the map so he doesn't die and has somewhere he spam his mules. No multitasking (constantly getting caught off-guard and un-sieged like a diamond player (Artosis actually commented on this)), Bad macro (1000 minerals at 10 minutes when all he has to manage is marine production that exceeds his income by 150%), Spare drops. Bad strategies (First game was insanely risky and banked on LosirA not making a baneling nest, or even going for baneling speed which completely rolls his mass marine strategy, second game blind cheese (this had the best execution out of the 3 actually) and the third game he didn't make any medivacs for the longest time.. this is not safe play. one proper engagement by Zerg (and not the half-assed shit LosirA did) and you get absolutely rolled by muta/ling/baneling) This guy is by far not the best Terran and he also isn't good at TvZ. If you wanna go watch either of those things, go watch Mvp (amazing all-around), MKP(impressive micro), Bomber(very good macro and extremely solid decision-making), MMA(better execution than most of the top terrans and very good gamesense) or even KeeN(safe play, has solid game-plan and multi-tasking and good micro). Those Terrans actually surprised me with certain aspects of their play, they showed a profound understanding of the game and didn't brute-force their way through their TvZs like this noobie did. I actually used to be a fan of sC because he went for long games, but what I've seen in the past 2 days is just disgusting and I don't want to see people going around regurgitating Tasteless' shallow thoughts about how impressive sC is. He's not. | ||
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:56 realstarcrafter wrote: Unfortunately that's how you play in tournaments. That's why zerg isn't the strongest in tournaments, they have less ways to all-in. ppl are just bad at handling it right now, there were certain ppl like bit by bit and rain that made their way into gsl by these strats and are now on the verge of extinction. There's still players that kno how to actually play that are realizing they can do all ins too, but eventually, players will understand the probability of it happening and be better prepared for it. they'll always be around but you won't see them as abundant as u did today | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4561 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:59 Reasonable wrote: You are an idiot. The whole reason behind whining is that there is no Idol. The Zerg Idol does not exist, there is no one to look up to, hence zerg players are pissed. Okay, we share different opinions. No need to insult me. I have nothing more to say.. not amount of me trying to explain human tendencies is going to change a mind that is already made up. Same goes to me. I'll just agree to disagree. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:01 T.Probe wrote: lol, your also implying that only certain types of people play zerg based on their personality which is obviously a wrong assumption. well actually certain personality maybe a factor in why people play certain races, certain races attracts certain people. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:58 grumpyone wrote: Wow. Seriously wondering about the current *vP metagames in Korea. the sample only contains around 500 vP games at all (6months), the "current ones" would be around 50-100 games which isn't really saying a lot, because if 2-3 Protoss players that performed greatly before (like MC) lose some games and don't get to play more like in the current Code S, this means that Protoss suddenly misses 10-20 wins, if there is noone to take their places. there is just not enough data in the korean version. (though I still like to see those stats) | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:02 ChickenLips wrote: Go watch his games against BbongBbongPrime in the FXOpen, a completely atrocious Zerg. What he did (and still does) is just suicide groups of tank/marine in the first 20 minutes and then start adding medivacs and doing the same while putting PFs around the map so he doesn't die and has somewhere he spam his mules. No multitasking (constantly getting caught off-guard and un-sieged like a diamond player (Artosis actually commented on this)), Bad macro (1000 minerals at 10 minutes when all he has to manage is marine production that exceeds his income by 150%), Spare drops. Bad strategies (First game was insanely risky and banked on LosirA not making a baneling nest, or even going for baneling speed which completely rolls his mass marine strategy, second game blind cheese (this had the best execution out of the 3 actually) and the third game he didn't make any medivacs for the longest time.. this is not safe play. one proper engagement by Zerg (and not the half-assed shit LosirA did) and you get absolutely rolled by muta/ling/baneling) This guy is by far not the best Terran and he also isn't good at TvZ. If you wanna go watch either of those things, go watch Mvp (amazing all-around), MKP(impressive micro), Bomber(very good macro and extremely solid decision-making), MMA(better execution than most of the top terrans and very good gamesense) or even KeeN(safe play, has solid game-plan and multi-tasking and good micro). Those Terrans actually surprised me with certain aspects of their play, they showed a profound understanding of the game and didn't brute-force their way through their TvZs like this noobie did. I actually used to be a fan of sC because he went for long games, but what I've seen in the past 2 days is just disgusting and I don't want to see people going around regurgitating Tasteless' shallow thoughts about how impressive sC is. He's not. Nice, basing your argument off of one series. Sometimes, great players play like shit. I could argue that NaDa is terrible by using your own twisted logic of cherry-picked facts, by citing NaDa vs. Kas or something. Edit: Oh, and by "one series" I meant your attempt to cite his match against Bbong. I could also shoot down your points about the current series if you'd like. Getting caught off-guard and unsieged happens. It's how NaDa lost to July on quite a few occasions, IIRC. You also fault sC for bad macro when he's putting on virtually non-stop aggression and focusing on micro most of the time. The fact that he had enough units to keep LosirA on the backfoot defending until the very end shows that his overall execution was fine (you need to balance micro and macro obviously). You also say the first game's strategy was incredibly risky and banked on the hope that LosirA wouldn't make a baneling nest, which confuses me, because that's exactly what LosirA friggin' did. Are you blind or something? sC managed to do some great splits against the banelings, which helped him win despite the baneling nest against his mass marines. As for the stuff about not making enough medivacs, you're just nitpicking because you obviously really, really want to hate sC. | ||
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