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rushian
United Kingdom568 Posts
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
Anyway props to Nada for being fulltime student and making it to R4. | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:02 ChickenLips wrote: Go watch his games against BbongBbongPrime in the FXOpen, a completely atrocious Zerg. What he did (and still does) is just suicide groups of tank/marine in the first 20 minutes and then start adding medivacs and doing the same while putting PFs around the map so he doesn't die and has somewhere he spam his mules. No multitasking (constantly getting caught off-guard and un-sieged like a diamond player (Artosis actually commented on this)), Bad macro (1000 minerals at 10 minutes when all he has to manage is marine production that exceeds his income by 150%), Spare drops. Bad strategies (First game was insanely risky and banked on LosirA not making a baneling nest, or even going for baneling speed which completely rolls his mass marine strategy, second game blind cheese (this had the best execution out of the 3 actually) and the third game he didn't make any medivacs for the longest time.. this is not safe play. one proper engagement by Zerg (and not the half-assed shit LosirA did) and you get absolutely rolled by muta/ling/baneling) This guy is by far not the best Terran and he also isn't good at TvZ. If you wanna go watch either of those things, go watch Mvp (amazing all-around), MKP(impressive micro), Bomber(very good macro and extremely solid decision-making), MMA(better execution than most of the top terrans and very good gamesense) or even KeeN(safe play, has solid game-plan and multi-tasking and good micro). Those Terrans actually surprised me with certain aspects of their play, they showed a profound understanding of the game and didn't brute-force their way through their TvZs like this noobie did. I actually used to be a fan of sC because he went for long games, but what I've seen in the past 2 days is just disgusting and I don't want to see people going around regurgitating Tasteless' shallow thoughts about how impressive sC is. He's not. Lol. You know that FXOpen are played NA server no matter if that's KR vs KR? They had high latency, even in the final MKP vs sC there were some "weird things" that we probably shouldn't have seen if they were playing their usual low latency. You can't judge a player level from cross-servers games. And even if sC is probably not the best terran, we can't judge yet if Bomber and MMA are better terrans than NaDa / sC or any other "successful"code S player. About LosirA tilting, losing his first ovie probably didn't help to feel comfortable. | ||
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3050 Posts
So badass while being a full time student Wtf happened to Losira o.O I expected him to win this round... | ||
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DontRushMe.Bro
Australia14 Posts
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:41 DontRushMe.Bro wrote: Just one question, did the BW LR threads have just as much QQ and balance whining? VERY rarely. Even then it is done so jokingly. There is mostly Flash OP whine though. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:39 Ayush_SCtoss wrote: Omg NaDa <3 So badass while being a full time student Wtf happened to Losira o.O I expected him to win this round... He didn't really respond to SC's play very well and made some bad decisions | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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TooL
Canada275 Posts
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:41 DontRushMe.Bro wrote: Just one question, did the BW LR threads have just as much QQ and balance whining? not really, though if the map was really imbalanced you had whine about the map. if someone with a lot of fans like Jaedong/flash/bisu lost to some noob proxy rushing then you got a lot of qqing, but nothing like sc2 :/ | ||
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marvin.
United States469 Posts
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rushian
United Kingdom568 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:36 Poopi wrote: Lol. You know that FXOpen are played NA server no matter if that's KR vs KR? They had high latency, even in the final MKP vs sC there were some "weird things" that we probably shouldn't have seen if they were playing their usual low latency. You can't judge a player level from cross-servers games. And even if sC is probably not the best terran, we can't judge yet if Bomber and MMA are better terrans than NaDa / sC or any other "successful"code S player. About LosirA tilting, losing his first ovie probably didn't help to feel comfortable. Yeah he was actually supply blocked at 18/18 for quite a while there. I would add that game 1 of that series was an absolutely brilliant game to watch as entertainment, 20 minutes of non-stop marine-splitting zergling-melting baneling-exploding fungal-growthing action where it wasn't clear at all until the very end who was going to win. It's not that surprising that players make mistakes in unit control under that sort of constant pressure for that long while trying to keep their macro up. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On May 03 2011 21:57 Maliris wrote: not really, though if the map was really imbalanced you had whine about the map. if someone with a lot of fans like Jaedong/flash/bisu lost to some noob proxy rushing then you got a lot of qqing, but nothing like sc2 :/ yeah bc sc1 had already like 7 years to balance the shit out of the units. that's why there are so many complaints. losirA lost rightfully today. still, it's not fun to watch someone go two base 8ReactorRax marine marine marine marine for like 30 minutes without even building a factory. I was actually impressed when he took gas. I don't know, if the transition to higher tiers is not needed it takes away a lot of fun. it's actually pretty hard to use banes cost-efficiently vs a skilled player. yeah and he failed with his infestor 1A  as a zerg it feels tough to tech to tier 2 just to handle tier 1. all in all, it was just not as fun to watch. and is was not impressive either. it felt more like losira lost than sc won. therefore many are a bit disappointed. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
still, it's not fun to watch someone go two base 8ReactorRax marine marine marine marine for like 30 minutes without even building a factory. I was actually impressed when he took gas. I don't know, if the transition to higher tiers is not needed it takes away a lot of fun. it's actually pretty hard to use banes cost-efficiently vs a skilled player. yeah and he failed with his infestor 1A as a zerg it feels tough to tech to tier 2 just to handle tier 1. I found that game extremely entertaining. I always enjoy games where you see something different, and just like 10 minutes of constantly streaming in marines vs. a zerg player frantically trying to control lings, banes, and infestors was fun to watch. Could tell sC was just sort of like "screw it, I'll just keep making marines." I guess I just try to enjoy all the variety of games you can see in SC2, there is a huge spectrum. That way if I don't get the exact game I wanted or expected to see I don't have to run to the forum and complain. That was a unique and entertaining game, learn to appreciate that instead of just hoping everything is a 200 v 200 macro fest which to be quite honest I'm getting tired of being the only acceptable way for a game to be entertaining. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On May 03 2011 22:09 MrCon wrote: It's not fun to watch ? Game 1 was not fun to watch because "he didn't build a factory" ? That's beyond bias. that's not what I said. Game 1 was OK. But would you really recommend the series? I don't think so. Overall qualty was disappointing by both players imo (except some splits). Game 1 was by far the best game (no relation to any factories), losirA should've won if he used his infestors. | ||
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sang
United States251 Posts
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marvin.
United States469 Posts
More hate started popping up for game 1 after the series ended when people started berating sC's choice of strategy more than anything, TBH. I personally thought game 1 was one of the most exciting games of StarCraft 2 to date... game 2 not so much but sC came to win, and executed his strategy well whereas losira made mistakes defending - and when opening 14 hatch against someone who is 2raxing AND pulls scvs, you can't make mistakes. Game 3 seemed kind of like losira playing really really safe then choosing to go all in with ling/baneling, it not working, him losing a hidden expansion, reexpanding, and playing from behind the whole game. sC may not be the best player, but today he played decently. Along with his gameplan he did what it took to take down Losira, who is a very good zerg. One thing that's important to note is that in any sport, the better player doesn't win. Personally, I don't think sC is better than losira.. But today losira didn't play too well and got knocked out by sC who came better prepared IMO. | ||
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loveeholicce
Korea (South)785 Posts
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