[GSL] Code S r8 Day 1 - Page 85

On May 03 2011 21:02 ChickenLips wrote:


Go watch his games against BbongBbongPrime in the FXOpen, a completely atrocious Zerg. What he did (and still does) is just suicide groups of tank/marine in the first 20 minutes and then start adding medivacs and doing the same while putting PFs around the map so he doesn't die and has somewhere he spam his mules.

No multitasking (constantly getting caught off-guard and un-sieged like a diamond player (Artosis actually commented on this)),
Bad macro (1000 minerals at 10 minutes when all he has to manage is marine production that exceeds his income by 150%),
Spare drops.
Bad strategies (First game was insanely risky and banked on LosirA not making a baneling nest, or even going for baneling speed which completely rolls his mass marine strategy, second game blind cheese (this had the best execution out of the 3 actually) and the third game he didn't make any medivacs for the longest time.. this is not safe play. one proper engagement by Zerg (and not the half-assed shit LosirA did) and you get absolutely rolled by muta/ling/baneling)

This guy is by far not the best Terran and he also isn't good at TvZ. If you wanna go watch either of those things, go watch Mvp (amazing all-around), MKP(impressive micro), Bomber(very good macro and extremely solid decision-making), MMA(better execution than most of the top terrans and very good gamesense) or even KeeN(safe play, has solid game-plan and multi-tasking and good micro). Those Terrans actually surprised me with certain aspects of their play, they showed a profound understanding of the game and didn't brute-force their way through their TvZs like this noobie did.

I actually used to be a fan of sC because he went for long games, but what I've seen in the past 2 days is just disgusting and I don't want to see people going around regurgitating Tasteless' shallow thoughts about how impressive sC is. He's not.

On May 03 2011 21:03 Big J wrote:



the sample only contains around 500 vP games at all (6months), the "current ones" would be around 50-100 games which isn't really saying a lot, because if 2-3 Protoss players that performed greatly before (like MC) lose some games and don't get to play more like in the current Code S, this means that Protoss suddenly misses 10-20 wins, if there is noone to take their places.
there is just not enough data in the korean version. (though I still like to see those stats)

On May 03 2011 21:04 HolyArrow wrote:


Nice, basing your argument off of one series. Sometimes, great players play like shit. I could argue that NaDa is terrible by using your own twisted logic of cherry-picked facts, by citing NaDa vs. Kas or something.

On May 03 2011 21:05 Blasterion wrote:

Korean Tournament is a small sample size, so the graph is very volatile, as included in the OP of the thread that provided the graph

On May 03 2011 20:55 SxYSpAz wrote:

one tourney result isn't proof enough. it definitely gives him a ton of cred, but its not the most accurate thing possible... *cough* MVP *cough* MC *cough*

On May 03 2011 21:08 Big J wrote:


that's basically what I tried to write, just used more words because Im not a native speaker
but well, the thread contains this information, the post doesnt, that's why I wanted to point it out

On May 03 2011 21:04 FataLe wrote:

Read my other post, it clears up what you're getting at.
Apologies :X

But even so. Personality could be a major factor in why someone plays/doesn't play a certain race. Just for arguments sake.

On May 03 2011 21:11 T.Probe wrote:


hmmm... sc1 zerg players do not complain about their race i think.

On May 03 2011 20:49 SushilS wrote:

Zzzz.... Do you know who Sangho is?
He was BW cream before switching over. He is gonna be one scary opponent anyday.

On May 03 2011 20:48 FakeDeath wrote:


Did you even watch the match?scfou went a 8 RAX WITH REACTORS PUMPING MARINE like a madman all-in.How often do you see those kind of all-ins?Losira probably could not take the continuous pressure from sc.Game 2?That was just a build order win.Bunker rush+marines+12scvs vs 14 hatch PLUS CLOSE POSITION.Trust me man,its like so freaking difficult to hold that even as a pro.

Game3?Probably expected sc to win.Losira all-in probably out of frustration from being cheesed twice.

On May 03 2011 21:09 hagrin wrote:
Regarding winrates, and sort of offtopic, in Korean Grandmasters right now the Top 10 players with the highest win rates are almost all Terrans (11 of the top 12 are Terran). I honestly don't put much stock in the winrates of GMs in the US because after watching the competition Sheth and idra play on their streams, it's abundantly clear that the talent pool is much shallower on the US server.

I know laddering != tournament play, but do we think that there is some conclusion to be drawn from that type of racial dominance at the top?

To get back on topic, sC is #4 on the Korean ladder right now with the 11th best winrate. He's a top player despite what many of you wrote in this thread today.