EPTKinda surprised to see those graphs tbh.
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
Kinda surprised to see those graphs tbh. | ||
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anatem
Romania1369 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:34 Blasterion wrote: I don't see why it isn't can you please explain to me why that isn't a macro game? because losira went for what was basically an allin consisting of ling/bling + hidden expo at terran's fourth in the early game instead of saturating bases and teching even when the odds of him breaking through were obviously pretty slim, and sc denied him the backup third for so long it was impossible to recover. a 'macro game' aka a macro-oriented game is defined by both players playing safe with expansions and only having a few engagements (holding a timing push, pressure, stuff like that) and entering the mid-game with strong economy and tech, which leads to larger engagements, positional play, harrass, tech transitions, and other stuff that makes long -"macro"- games entertaining. losira entered the mid-game on 2base, and stayed there for almost the entire match, never saturating, getting a fourth, or teching to anything. this was a player that took a safe expansion vs. a player that went for ineffective aggression. it was more of an outwit -rather than outplay- situation where sc made the better decisions having the psychological safety cushion of his 2-0 score. | ||
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:43 FataLe wrote: Sadness or not. It doesn't discredit his statement in anyway. Tasteless is right, and probably knows more about Sc then all of us combined as he gets to meet most of the players anyway. Maybe he's heard from other pros that this is the case? Sc does quite well on the ladder aswell.. Based on this series alone, I wouldn't say he's one of the best TvZ players, after seeing someone like MVP or MKP play against Z, or even boxer. I'm not saying he's bad at TvZ, just that I don't think he's near one of the best TvZ players. | ||
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Turgid
United States1623 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:43 ItsMeDomLee wrote: MMA and Bomber will be coming up from Code A quite soon. We'll see what happens. Bomber has nerve issues. MMA's really good but so is Losira. It's one thing to be very good, and another to be a hero. I think if it's going to be anyone currently in Code A it'll be Bomber but I also want to point out the possibility of players who are currently known and seen as not being particularly good improving. Pick a random player - what could happen to Coca in 6 months? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43839 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:45 Talin wrote: Nada looks closer than ever to winning GSL. How awesome would that be xD NesTea vs. Nada finals would be pretty sweet  | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38149 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:40 namedplayer wrote: Losira overrated? Losing in the round of 8 in your first season of Code S means you're overrated now? There are several zergs who've never accomplished more than that who are still held in high regard. Maybe peoples expectations of Losira are slightly too high, but overrated carries too many negative implications for my taste. | ||
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realstarcrafter
92 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:42 grungust wrote: For all you terrans out there who don't understand why we are questioning tasteless remarks let me explain. Game 1: 2 base all in where you literally rally bio and do some splits. Game 2: 2 rax scv all in. Game 3: 2 rax fake into FE. Losira decides to all in, but as a zerg on CROSSFIRE this is quite common because of how imbalanced that map is for zvt. In conclusion I don't see how this proves anything, especially the bold remarks tasteless made. If these games are the criteria for being "One of the best Terrans in Korea" or "Amazing TvZ player" then that speaks to a sadness of the state of this game. User was temp banned for this post. Wow, got banned for this post? Good job. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4483 Posts
hahaha damn. | ||
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: NesTea vs. Nada finals would be pretty sweet NesTea vs Nada Finals would be awesome! Even moreso if it came down to 4-3, with Nada winning! Wow...Korean Protoss just fell off the map in April. | ||
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MuazizTremere
Netherlands67 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:39 densha wrote: Exactly, that's a good TvZ player. I don't know why people are finding bio all-ins and bunker rushes so inspiring all of a sudden. Because they're entertaining to watch as opposed to watching a Zerg make 80 drones and then a-move 2x120 supply all over a terran's bases? | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:42 grungust wrote: For all you terrans out there who don't understand why we are questioning tasteless remarks let me explain. Game 1: 2 base all in where you literally rally bio and do some splits. Game 2: 2 rax scv all in. Game 3: 2 rax fake into FE. Losira decides to all in, but as a zerg on CROSSFIRE this is quite common because of how imbalanced that map is for zvt. In conclusion I don't see how this proves anything, especially the bold remarks tasteless made. If these games are the criteria for being "One of the best Terrans in Korea" or "Amazing TvZ player" then that speaks to a sadness of the state of this game. I'll have to agree that sC's TvZ isn't anything to be notable for. But he's definitely one of the best Terrans in Korea. I'd say Top 10. He placed first in a group of 4 Terrans including top players such as TOP and beat Polt in the Ro16. And he's also been on the top of the Korean ladder quite a bit. Also, as for state of the game, yes Zergs is the hardest race to play, but Zerg's have been able to defend 2 rax bunker rushes quite easily recently and that's why Terrans use it less nowadays. Losira should have handled that situation a lot better. As for the first game, it was extremely close and Losira could have won if he had used infestors more/better. As for the 3rd game. If you call that an all-in that was a very bad attempt at one. Teching to Lair and building a 3rd hatchery while all-inning? That wasn't an all-in. It was just a very weird(possibly stupid) build by Losira, probably because of nerves or whatever. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:39 CubEdIn wrote: So let me get this right, you think the rightful winner should be the guy who lost to "all-ins" twice in a row, and then failed to defend vs a very predictable strategy. Yeah.. that sounds about right. Did you even watch the match?scfou went a 8 RAX WITH REACTORS PUMPING MARINE like a madman all-in.How often do you see those kind of all-ins?Losira probably could not take the continuous pressure from sc.Game 2?That was just a build order win.Bunker rush+marines+12scvs vs 14 hatch PLUS CLOSE POSITION.Trust me man,its like so freaking difficult to hold that even as a pro. Game3?Probably expected sc to win.Losira all-in probably out of frustration from being cheesed twice. | ||
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SushilS
2115 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:38 Fyzar wrote: SangHo is neeever going to get past InCa in a PvP. Zzzz.... Do you know who Sangho is? He was BW cream before switching over. He is gonna be one scary opponent anyday. | ||
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Seditary
Australia7033 Posts
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
Anyone know when roughly the up and down groups are decided? Actually i'm being dumb, it's after the Code A finals. That's a 2 weeks away isn't it. Blah | ||
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T.Probe
United States4 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:37 HyunA1 wrote: Why is it that I sense 99% of QQ'ers in this thread play zerg? If it's not cheese that you're crying about, it's something about your race. When a zerg wins, it's "perfect play" that outplays his opponent. Its funny how people imply that the majority of people who play zerg are qq'ers by nature. The reason why so many zerg's qq must be because there must be an issue in balance with the race. | ||
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Kafkaesk
Germany140 Posts
A Bling/Infestor composition with fast upgrades + faster T3 tech does way better on this map, especially against that mass marine, tank style. | ||
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Orpheusz
Australia210 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:50 Seditary wrote: I always love the overreactions one BoX between two players brings out in LR threads. Its like watching a herd of sheep run across a minefield. The shitstorm that will ensue if anypro beats nestea will be even better. | ||
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:49 SushilS wrote: Zzzz.... Do you know who Sangho is? He was BW cream before switching over. He is gonna be one scary opponent anyday. But InCa is a monster at PvP. Though I can't say I've seen much of Sangho's PvP. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 03 2011 20:43 HolyArrow wrote: Whenever I see someone start an analysis with how a GSL game went with the words "Any bronze...", I know to not take it seriously. Some people have some seriously skewed perceptions of how good these players are. Players are good, but some of the things they do are as easy as they can possibly be, they are merely humans. | ||
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