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Spanishiwa vs TLO Bo7 SHOWMATCH - Page 7

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Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
May 01 2011 21:09 GMT
#121
Amazing brutal awsome game 4. It almost looked like a Funday Monday.

Great series overall, gj Husky, TLO and Spahishwa!
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Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 21:25:20
May 01 2011 21:24 GMT
#122
Finally a showmatch that really emphasises the "show" part, really fun to watch, thanks to Spanishiwa, Husky, the sponsors and of course + Show Spoiler +
TLO for being the fall guy!
Sixes
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1123 Posts
May 01 2011 21:38 GMT
#123
Wow those were great games.
+ Show Spoiler +

The fact that spanishiwa can take TLO 4-0 is actually quite impressive, most of his play is also just great basics (scouting, when to drone, overlord and ling placement, using cost efficient units like queens and spines).

A misread cost him g6 (should have dropped 2-3 more spines asap and gotten more lings).

I wouldn't be surprised if he influenced the top zergs, the fact that they don't use burrow (whether for roach, infestor or saving lings) or queens to their full potential has been brought up before but this is the most convincing use I have seen of those zerg mechanics. This is especially true for the burrowed roaches in ZvT, they act a lot like dts (force scans or turrets, pin the Terran in his base until he gets ravens or is ready to spend a ton of scans) for a much lower cost. The simple fact is a Terran can't afford to spam scans just in case (and remember, burrowed roaches are only visible while moving so they can be used as traps) and it only takes a few roaches to snipe a tank and run away.

People in this thread are saying that TLO needed turrets or a raven but forcing terrans to blindly go turrets is actually pretty brutal on their economy and ravens are a pain to get (and not that hard to snipe off).

I really want to see Spanishiwa in major tournaments ...
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
May 01 2011 21:43 GMT
#124
+ Show Spoiler +
It'd be interesting to see how these games would've gone if TLO opted not to try and match Spanishiwa's macro from the get-go. Maybe some more all in-ish behavior, or a delayed first expansion with some more pressure. Really cool games, though.
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
May 01 2011 21:48 GMT
#125
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm kind of speechless that TLO got 4-0'd. TLO is no push over at all. But it looked like he got totally out classed... Well played Spanishiwa.
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
damorphy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 21:50:54
May 01 2011 21:50 GMT
#126
+ Show Spoiler +

Insane games by Spanish here, queen ultras best combo .
Oh it's ON !
ArghUScaredMe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States712 Posts
May 01 2011 21:52 GMT
#127
I have a question. Moving burrowed units (Infestors & Roaches) STILL HAVE a visual 'blur' right? (Just like DTs).

I thought it was bold moving the Roaches right through the main army without getting noticed. Can anyone confirm?
echuchee
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States71 Posts
May 01 2011 21:56 GMT
#128
On May 02 2011 06:52 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
I have a question. Moving burrowed units (Infestors & Roaches) STILL HAVE a visual 'blur' right? (Just like DTs).

I thought it was bold moving the Roaches right through the main army without getting noticed. Can anyone confirm?


The ground looks a bit darker when you move burrowed units. Its not as noticable as a blur of a DT imo, but still if you suspect that it might happen it shouldn't be too hard to spot.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
May 01 2011 22:03 GMT
#129
Went into this showmatch a big TLO fan, and came out a big TLO and Spanishiwa fan. Very impressive play, hope to see him in more tournaments in the future.
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
May 01 2011 22:03 GMT
#130
On May 02 2011 06:56 echuchee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2011 06:52 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
I have a question. Moving burrowed units (Infestors & Roaches) STILL HAVE a visual 'blur' right? (Just like DTs).

I thought it was bold moving the Roaches right through the main army without getting noticed. Can anyone confirm?


The ground looks a bit darker when you move burrowed units. Its not as noticable as a blur of a DT imo, but still if you suspect that it might happen it shouldn't be too hard to spot.


yea, unfortunately TLO wasnt too ready for it. However knowing the other player is makign roaches and infestors, you should always have a turret near each mineral line /entrance just incase.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
May 01 2011 22:07 GMT
#131
what a beatdown!.. Spanishiwa showing who's boss.
ArghUScaredMe
Profile Joined July 2010
United States712 Posts
May 01 2011 22:20 GMT
#132
Just finished watching them all. Wow.

+ Show Spoiler +
I think it's safe to say Spanishwa is a better player than TLO flat out. I mean they played a super-extended Best of 7, and got 4-0'ed and 5-2'ed total.

I consider TLO as a mid-tier player (but very lovable). I wonder how Spanshiwa would fare against the Koreans or the crazy foreigners of TSL3.

Spanshiwa vs IdrA would be VERY entertaining. Can we make this happen?



Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
May 01 2011 22:23 GMT
#133
+ Show Spoiler +
Damn Spanishiwa playing such awesome and unusual builds and just stomping TLO down 4-0 makes me stunned. He really plays Zerg as it should be played using all the awesome mechanics. Nydus, Mass Quenn, Infestors&Ultras. And even though he is a greedy greedy guy often he seems to get away with it most of the time.

Would be interested to see how he fares against Korean T aggression
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
May 01 2011 22:24 GMT
#134
This series really proves irregardless of the strategy that Spanishiwa is legit.
Encrypto
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
May 01 2011 22:27 GMT
#135
That was so weird.

+ Show Spoiler +
As much as I love Spanishiwa, I'm having a hard time believing that was actually TLO playing. The games for him were played so standard and conservatively. Spanishiwa really slaughtered him. However, into the 5th and 6th games we saw some of TLO's early pressure builds that really punished Spanishiwa. I don't want to use these games as examples for the pro scene in general, but it seemed that when TLO went for a macro game, he simply was overpowered by the economic genius of Spanishiwa's style. Maybe for a terran, early aggression is mandatory?
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
May 01 2011 22:29 GMT
#136
On May 02 2011 07:20 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Just finished watching them all. Wow.

+ Show Spoiler +
I think it's safe to say Spanishwa is a better player than TLO flat out. I mean they played a super-extended Best of 7, and got 4-0'ed and 5-2'ed total.

I consider TLO as a mid-tier player (but very lovable). I wonder how Spanshiwa would fare against the Koreans or the crazy foreigners of TSL3.

Spanshiwa vs IdrA would be VERY entertaining. Can we make this happen?





+ Show Spoiler +
He's the better player because of winning a series? Are you serious? I don't want to take anything from Spanishiwa, he played great and he played better then TLO obviously but that doesn't make him a better player. He has zero accomplishments right now in tournaments. Does he even has beaten any really good players in tournaments?

Again: He played great and I really enjoyed the series!

MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
BGrael
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany229 Posts
May 01 2011 22:30 GMT
#137
Very entertaining series.

+ Show Spoiler +
Zerg looks damn fine in the hands of Spanishiwa.
Fungal Growth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
May 01 2011 22:32 GMT
#138
Great series!

Question for Terran players...if you know Spanishiwa hates mutas why not go for a hellion/marauder push? Seem to be this could be incredibly effective as the hellions could take care of the drones/lings while the marauders could taken out the queens/banelings/spines/roaches.

And vs mass queen...would nukes be effective? Just not sure if the reaction time to the nuclear warning + queen speed would be enough to get out of the way. What about nukes vs broodlords? Are they fast enough to get out of the way if the red dot is in the center of their group?

Amazing stuff from Spanishiwa...unbelievable how he gets away with delaying gas so long, gets away with delaying detection (his builds seem so banshee vulnerable but aren't) and he loves to do a fast broodlord push even before his corrupters are done. His timing sense is amazing!

From TLO would have loved to see more 1 base timing pushes... TLO's 'eco-cheese' or fast expanding just doesn't seem to suit him well while aggressive 1 base TLO always seem to so much better.

For Spanishiwa I think the key counter for terran is their anti-protoss build...mass marauder with ghost support. In fact the Spanishiwa build could be quite susceptible to ghosts with the new buff planned... Ghosts could emps the queens, snipe broodlords (or even queens themselves), and a push with cloaked ghosts could take advantage of Spanishiwa's late detection. The other possible key vs Spanishiwa could be aggressive vikings which TLO seemed to have some luck with...no mutas nor hydras to worry about from Spanishiwa and the vikings can range the spores/queens to pick off overlords from the distance which slows down that high powered Spanishiwa economy and denies that all-important scouting he depends on.

If you guys don't know, Husky is taking in the comments of game 5 suggestions for future show matches... the leader so far (and my vote) would be for Spanishiwa/Idra!
Oldern
Profile Joined February 2011
Hungary21 Posts
May 01 2011 22:58 GMT
#139
Fungal Growth, if ANY competent Zerg sees a hellion/marauder push in the making, it is the perfect counter to go mutas, especially in larger maps. Therefore, it does not matter if he hates mutas or not, he would have built them anyway. Imho, of course.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
May 01 2011 23:01 GMT
#140
After this series, I don't think top Zergs can make up excuses anymore for not having Nydus and Burrow harass in their arsenal.
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