EPTSpanishiwa vs TLO Bo7 SHOWMATCH - Page 5
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
lol? why are you reading this thread then if you don't want spoilers? | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
Really came down to Spanishiwa's reaction to TLO's fast expand, and TLO was seemingly caught unprepared against the Evo Chamber rush. This was in no way a cheese. It was a smart reaction by Spanishiwa, and he also expanded so it wasn't even an all-in. Second and Third games + Show Spoiler + Came down to Spanishiwa's masterful burrow harass. Things like Burrow and Nydus harass are so underused at the pro level, a lot of the pro players just aren't ready for it. And this isn't some kind of opening you need to prepare for, this is about practice against a style of play which very few zergs have mastered. What I expect to see in the next games: More Nydus play to mix up Spanishiwa's harassment pattern, and some of TLO's masterful Ghost plays to shut down Spanishiwa's Brood Lord+Queen combination lategame. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9419 Posts
On May 01 2011 21:21 Talin wrote: They can discuss games in a reasonable and humble manner. Calling TLO a bad player who doesn't improve in a pretty blunt way is neither, therefor they are somewhat BM (though sadly not the worst we see on forums these days). People can think whatever they want, but it doesn't change the rule that they should be respectful. Both of those are factors, especially if one of the competitors tells you they are. Look at every thread at every forum there are commenting players performance in sports. Calling players bad when they makes mistakes is the norm from a lot of users. If they are BM, then you need to define what being BM is. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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BBX
Netherlands16 Posts
On the matches; I can't argue with what TLO is trying to do. He seems to be making the right decisions most of the time and I still think he has great variation! Spanishiwa is just so solid though ... what to do, what to do? -- EDIT -- Wow ! Very surprised. Loved the last two games especially. + Show Spoiler + Macro is fantastic to look at but my personal nightmare is early pressure. Even though I am quite the fan of Spanishiwa's style, I really liked seeing that 'counter' play from TLO. | ||
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Tekkerz
United Kingdom216 Posts
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On May 01 2011 21:46 Hider wrote: Look at every thread at every forum there are commenting players performance in sports. Calling players bad when they makes mistakes is the norm from a lot of users. If they are BM, then you need to define what being BM is. This is not 'every thread at every forum'. This is team liquid and starcraft. Being a humble, badass community is what we do. Show some respect for the players and the commentators, they're underpayed and most of them do what they do for free and they have huge amounts of time invested in this. BM = Bad Manner. Say what you would say IRL. I doubt any of these self proclaimed experts would say that a player's bad / don't improve / sucks / blabla to his face, but when it's on a forum you all of a sudden can spew out whatever you feel like. Quit it. /rant off. Pz. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 01 2011 21:46 Hider wrote: Look at every thread at every forum there are commenting players performance in sports. Calling players bad when they makes mistakes is the norm from a lot of users. If they are BM, then you need to define what being BM is. This isn't any other forum or any other sports. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 (note Point 6) | ||
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
On May 01 2011 13:35 Mojar wrote: + Show Spoiler + tlo handled that game 1 cheese so poorly, the cheese was terrible and incredibly easy to hold. spanishiwa still is unimpressive imo. Less scv pulling and a earlier bunker would of stopped it cold. + Show Spoiler + while I agree that TLO handled it poorly, I'm not convinced it was cheese.. I think Spanishiwa did the proxy evo as a response to TLO's very fast in base CC. Definitely all in when the zerglings came, though | ||
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
On May 01 2011 21:45 Novalisk wrote: First game+ Show Spoiler + Really came down to Spanishiwa's reaction to TLO's fast expand, and TLO was seemingly caught unprepared against the Evo Chamber rush. This was in no way a cheese. It was a smart reaction by Spanishiwa, and he also expanded so it wasn't even an all-in. Second and Third games + Show Spoiler + Came down to Spanishiwa's masterful burrow harass. Things like Burrow and Nydus harass are so underused at the pro level, a lot of the pro players just aren't ready for it. And this isn't some kind of opening you need to prepare for, this is about practice against a style of play which very few zergs have mastered. What I expect to see in the next games: More Nydus play to mix up Spanishiwa's harassment pattern, and some of TLO's masterful Ghost plays to shut down Spanishiwa's Brood Lord+Queen combination lategame. The way spanishiwa uses his broolord corrupter queen combo's pretty smart. Its usually across a large gap. I don't think it'll be easy for him to sneak ghosts in to EMP the queens. I feel like TLO's got a lot more in him than what we see on these games though! I hope he makes a comeback and starts getting ravens and detection! | ||
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Titilisk
96 Posts
To Spanishiwa : any idea when you and TLO would find a moment to play the remaining games ? I'm asking because it seems you're reading this post, and you completely hyped us during the 3 first games. GL to you, and GL to TLO too for the rest of the series. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9419 Posts
On May 01 2011 22:30 Euronyme wrote: This is not 'every thread at every forum'. This is team liquid and starcraft. Being a humble, badass community is what we do. Show some respect for the players and the commentators, they're underpayed and most of them do what they do for free and they have huge amounts of time invested in this. BM = Bad Manner. Say what you would say IRL. I doubt any of these self proclaimed experts would say that a player's bad / don't improve / sucks / blabla to his face, but when it's on a forum you all of a sudden can spew out whatever you feel like. Quit it. /rant off. Pz. 1) Ehh, was that your attempt of a making a definition? 2) Most forums where people discuss performance of e.g. sports clubs they will say that player xx played bad. I can give you tons of examples if you (as it could seem) dont read other forums where they comments on player performances. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
A Husky comment during he first game gave me the idea to make a Bo7 showmatch and the prize pool distribution is governed by how many games each player wins. I mean, they're all getting played anyway, would be a cool way to make every game count. Like, with this $500 prizepool, make each game worth $70. bam, payout perfectly distributed to the player's performance. | ||
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PackAttack
United States80 Posts
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Mommas Boy
Canada144 Posts
Honestly this is why I wont pay fro VODS from NASL and the like, wayyyy too many free games out there to watch that are as good if not better. | ||
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damod
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
4-0'ing TLO Impressive! | ||
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schreddertt
Germany102 Posts
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