EPT[TSL] Ro8 Day 1 - Page 326
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
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lololol
5198 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:25 Zane wrote: MC didn't look like himself at all. I mean he didn't all-in even once. So it's confirmed, someone stole MCs identity and played instead of him. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:45 Qaatar wrote: There were a MYRIAD of things MC could have done differently. Warp prism harass throughout the game would have slowed Thorzain's production down, for example. Multi-pronged attacks might have worked better instead of a huge deathball. The fact that SC2 right now is still one huge ball against another huge ball is a testament to the game's infantile strategic and mechanical state. Unless there is solid and well developed mathematical proof that deathballs are better than BW-esque multi-pronged attacks of guerilla units, I just have to chalk it up to pro players being mechanically and strategically lazy. I might be wrong, but I refuse to believe that SC2 is just a game of whoever gets a better blob composition at a certain food range, and engages at the right position. There are several reasons (that have been pointed out in countless threads) that deathball played is promoted in SC2 where it wasn't in BW. That said, yes, MC could've done quite a few different things to try to beat that. | ||
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Xodushai
Sweden174 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:49 Blueblister wrote: Oh, thats really interesting! Thanks for pointing it out =D Interesting. In the interview with Strelok he said the invite system was kinda bad, with so many invites. This fact supports that statement and goes to show that the best players are aquired from qualifiers rather than from the inviters' judgement, or at least it shows such a tendency. | ||
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
On April 24 2011 09:50 Xodushai wrote: Interesting. In the interview with Strelok he said the invite system was kinda bad, with so many invites. This fact supports that statement and goes to show that the best players are aquired from qualifiers rather than from the inviters' judgement, or at least it shows such a tendency. I think motivation plays a huge part in this. Players who goes through qualifiers becomes more committed and are more willing to make an effort preparing. Especially the attitude from some of the Korean players goes to show that. For this reason and also fairness I would like to see qualifiers only for the next season. TSL has a large enough price pool to attract the best players even without invites. | ||
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SACtheXchng
168 Posts
Lo and behold, it's still our good old buddies Lag and Latency. In my humble opinion it is about time that you guys say goodbye to your apparent notion that koreans are some kinds of super humans that simply aren't able to lose a single game to someone born anywhere else in the world but your beloved and sacramental korea.. | ||
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
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Dark.Pyro
Canada94 Posts
On April 24 2011 10:29 SACtheXchng wrote: I couldn't watch the matches tonight, so I quickly checked the results when I came home. When I saw that Thorzain had eliminated MC I was really curious what excuse "Korea-Nuthuggers" would come up with this time, given both players were in europe at the time of this match. Lo and behold, it's still our good old buddies Lag and Latency. In my humble opinion it is about time that you guys say goodbye to your apparent notion that koreans are some kinds of super humans that simply aren't able to lose a single game to someone born anywhere else in the world but your beloved and sacramental korea.. But MC played Thorzain in Europe so lag could not have been an issue (Stated by the casters themselves during game 4?) | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On April 24 2011 09:32 Jisall wrote: Thorzain the crazy thor is going final. calling it bitches Mkay... that's not much of a statement though. He just has one match to play... so its basically a 50/50 call. If you called it at the start of the tournament however... that would have been amazing. | ||
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maryelizbethwinstead
Mexico223 Posts
I think he should ramp up the arrogance and showboating so that he starts dominating again. But Thorzain...MAN he looks good. His play I mean. Lag was not a factor at all. I like this guy. | ||
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
I notice that so many of the "upset" games (especially TvP's) in TSL have been decided by one player just not getting upgrades, and getting stomped by 2/2 bio (or 2/2 gateway stuff). People criticize "all-ins", but being at 0/0 by 12 minutes is just as all-in as one-basing for a long time -- you're gambling that you win before the other guy's upgrade advantage stacks up too much. | ||
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SACtheXchng
168 Posts
On April 24 2011 10:44 Dark.Pyro wrote: But MC played Thorzain in Europe so lag could not have been an issue (Stated by the casters themselves during game 4?) You might want to read my post again, although I feel kinda silly putting that word "again" into this sentence, because I can't think of a logical explanation for your reply other than you, instead of reading my ENTIRE post, simply seeing the two words "Lag" and "Latency" and instantly replying in a way that re-states what I had already said in the very post you quoted.... | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
But dam, taking out MC. dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
Stuff like that always happens... | ||
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HULKAMANIA
United States1219 Posts
On April 24 2011 12:12 SACtheXchng wrote: You might want to read my post again, although I feel kinda silly putting that word "again" into this sentence, because I can't think of a logical explanation for your reply other than you, instead of reading my ENTIRE post, simply seeing the two words "Lag" and "Latency" and instantly replying in a way that re-states what I had already said in the very post you quoted.... That's a fairly polite reply, all things considered. Props. And, Pyro, yeah... you're definitely gonna want to read the posts that you quote! The whole things, too, even when they're like seven lines long! | ||
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PanzerKing
United States483 Posts
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On April 24 2011 09:40 Stratos_speAr wrote: There are several reasons (that have been pointed out in countless threads) that deathball played is promoted in SC2 where it wasn't in BW. That said, yes, MC could've done quite a few different things to try to beat that. How is it promoted? Is it simply that it's easier? I would certainly agree with that - that it is easier to form a huge death ball. That doesn't make it better. I cannot think of a single reason why a deathball is better than small manually controlled groups with the exception of ease of use. It's "easy" to just send in 150 marines, zealots, or lings on an A-move command so you don't have to manage them, does that it make it good? By all means, make me understand why SC2 promotes the deathball, because what I currently understand is that SC2 *players* only use the deathball because it is possible, convenient, and nobody has good enough control yet to make it obsolete. | ||
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entropius
United States1046 Posts
On April 24 2011 13:09 PanzerKing wrote: MC's illusions completely worked against him. His hallucinated Immortals actually blocked his zealots from engaging the Thors. Watch the replay - you'll see them trickle in one or two at a time instead of all being able to engage at once. It was a gimmicky play that completely underestimated Thorzain's intelligence and micro capability, and it totally backfired on MC. While Thorzain certainly is an awesome player, it didn't take awesomeness to see the hallucinations -- he had a scan up while MC was making them, and had a raven floating over the battle. | ||
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