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Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 23:11:18
April 23 2011 23:10 GMT
#6461
On April 24 2011 07:51 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 07:41 Orpheusz wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him.


Ok, but it was. There's no point arguing who would win in a LAN setting.


They both played in a LAN setting though, just not the same one.
Thorzain in Norway at The Gathering and MC in Denmark.


Did they ever confirm this one? All I remember Chill saying was "Oh, I think MC is in Denmark right now for a tournament, which must mean that this series was played while MC is staying in Denmark." Not exactly the best assumption to make considering MC was in Korea playing in GSL just a few days ago.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 23:18:38
April 23 2011 23:11 GMT
#6462
On April 24 2011 08:07 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Hope mods make an explicit note that MC/Thor was played on EU while MC was in EU (or at least in the youtube VoDs etc), people seem to ignore what Chill/Artosis said at the start of the cast.

We really shouldn't have to, because even KR → EU (via NA) lag is not a game-breaking advantage for any player :/ As Jinro pointed out in the TSL forum, playing at near 100% in the lag is just a matter of practicing enough to get used to the latency.
✌
Orpheusz
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 23:14:49
April 23 2011 23:11 GMT
#6463
On April 24 2011 08:09 ULTRAmarine wrote:
mass void rays don't counter the thor strat since it's almost impossible to micro the rays so they don't take splash damage. they're too fragile. i'm thinking some odd carrier transition might stop it but then again vikings fuck shit up.


Rays do decent with magic box, but a tiny number of marines will render them useless because you can't micro them against the marines when they're within thor range.
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
April 23 2011 23:11 GMT
#6464
On April 24 2011 08:06 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 08:02 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him.

"I guarantee MC would win if SC2 was a different game."

What?

I guarantee Thorzain would still win if SC2 was W3.


Im sorry but that just made my day.

Great play by ThorZain. Looking forward to watching and following him.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 23 2011 23:12 GMT
#6465
On April 24 2011 08:10 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 07:51 TheBanana wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:41 Orpheusz wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him.


Ok, but it was. There's no point arguing who would win in a LAN setting.


They both played in a LAN setting though, just not the same one.
Thorzain in Norway at The Gathering and MC in Denmark.


Did they ever confirm this one? All I remember Chill saying was "Oh, I think MC is in Denmark right now for a tournament, which must mean that this series was played while MC is staying in Denmark." Not exactly the best assumption to make considering MC was in Korea playing in GSL just a few days ago.


Chill specifically said that MC was in EU so lag was not an issue and people couldn't blame that if MC lost.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 23 2011 23:14 GMT
#6466
On April 24 2011 08:02 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 08:01 ROOTFayth wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:58 s4life wrote:
It's sad to see so many comments downgrading Thorzain accomplishments.
1. MC didn't have Thorzain's replays. Well, Thorzain didn't have MC's either.
2. Lag. Well, oth players were in europe.
3. MC didn't get outplayed, he just didn't upgrade. Well, upgrades and timing attacks go hand in hand.
4. MC would have won in a LAN setting, not just battle.net. Well, what is next? MC needs to stare and you in the eye for him to win?

they were playing on the same lag, wtf are you talking about


Please re-read.

no need to re-read u talk as if one was at a disadvantage
dave333
Profile Joined August 2010
United States915 Posts
April 23 2011 23:14 GMT
#6467
whoaaa crazy build!
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 23:17:41
April 23 2011 23:15 GMT
#6468
On April 24 2011 08:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 08:10 Sein wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:51 TheBanana wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:41 Orpheusz wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him.


Ok, but it was. There's no point arguing who would win in a LAN setting.


They both played in a LAN setting though, just not the same one.
Thorzain in Norway at The Gathering and MC in Denmark.


Did they ever confirm this one? All I remember Chill saying was "Oh, I think MC is in Denmark right now for a tournament, which must mean that this series was played while MC is staying in Denmark." Not exactly the best assumption to make considering MC was in Korea playing in GSL just a few days ago.


Chill specifically said that MC was in EU so lag was not an issue and people couldn't blame that if MC lost.


Yeah I remember hearing the same thing toward the beginning of today's casts, but what I thought he said was "I believe MC is in Denmark for a [tournament I can't remember the name of] right now. That means both players were playing on the European server and you can't bring up the latency issue anymore". Wasn't it? It sounded like he was just making an assumption there considering they are casting from replays.

That is, unless they mentioned it again and confirmed it sometime during when the MC/Thorzain series was being casted.
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 23:16:25
April 23 2011 23:15 GMT
#6469
Lag wasn't an issue. Anyone who watched that game objectively would be able to see that. Thorzain just played really well. Game 4 was sick with a lot of back and forth action. Looking forward to more terrans adapting this fast bio upgrade style instead of early pressure.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 23 2011 23:18 GMT
#6470
Does anyone know how long that 4th game was? It felt like it went on forever
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
April 23 2011 23:19 GMT
#6471
On April 24 2011 08:11 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 08:07 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Hope mods make an explicit note that MC/Thor was played on EU while MC was in EU (or at least in the youtube VoDs etc), people seem to ignore what Chill/Artosis said at the start of the cast.

We really shouldn't have to, because even KR → EU (via NA) lag is not a game-breaking advantage for any player :/ As numerous pros have agreed, playing at near 100% in the lag is just a matter of practicing enough to get used to the latency.


But unfortunately, many are either ignorant or simply refuse to acknowledge it.

MC being taken out is an upset as significant as Flash being eliminated from a league by Hyuk, the Youtube vods definitely need giant red captions to remind the audience that both players are physically in Europe at the time.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
April 23 2011 23:20 GMT
#6472
On April 24 2011 08:18 hugman wrote:
Does anyone know how long that 4th game was? It felt like it went on forever

I don't think it was that long, it was just really back and forth.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 23 2011 23:21 GMT
#6473
On April 24 2011 08:11 Orpheusz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 08:09 ULTRAmarine wrote:
mass void rays don't counter the thor strat since it's almost impossible to micro the rays so they don't take splash damage. they're too fragile. i'm thinking some odd carrier transition might stop it but then again vikings fuck shit up.


Rays do decent with magic box, but a tiny number of marines will render them useless because you can't micro them against the marines when they're within thor range.

There is no counter for toss other than not let them get it. Pros have tried it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211014
Sure maybe if you had 30 VR and hallucinate another 20 but terran rolls you long before building it.

MC for president
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
April 23 2011 23:21 GMT
#6474
On April 24 2011 08:14 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 08:02 s4life wrote:
On April 24 2011 08:01 ROOTFayth wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:58 s4life wrote:
It's sad to see so many comments downgrading Thorzain accomplishments.
1. MC didn't have Thorzain's replays. Well, Thorzain didn't have MC's either.
2. Lag. Well, oth players were in europe.
3. MC didn't get outplayed, he just didn't upgrade. Well, upgrades and timing attacks go hand in hand.
4. MC would have won in a LAN setting, not just battle.net. Well, what is next? MC needs to stare and you in the eye for him to win?

they were playing on the same lag, wtf are you talking about


Please re-read.

no need to re-read u talk as if one was at a disadvantage


Actually maybe you should re read. He was bringing up counter points to 4 different "disadvantages" that people claim, while he is essentially saying it is all wrong, and that they were on a level playing field.
Xahhk
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada540 Posts
April 23 2011 23:22 GMT
#6475
Going by the unit tester, straight void rays vs thors it's basically no contest. Rays win overwhelmingly with magic box and hold position over thors. Thorzain didn't have many marines with his force if I recall either, though he probably would have reacted with marines if he sniffed void rays were coming.
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
April 23 2011 23:23 GMT
#6476
On April 24 2011 08:09 ULTRAmarine wrote:
mass void rays don't counter the thor strat since it's almost impossible to micro the rays so they don't take splash damage. they're too fragile. i'm thinking some odd carrier transition might stop it but then again vikings fuck shit up.


Can't you just.. spread them before the battle? 1v1 a voidray beats a thor easily. A repaired thor might be another issue, but then the thor is more expensive and double the supply, so that should offset it somewhat.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
April 23 2011 23:24 GMT
#6477
Playing an online tournament is different then a LAN tournament, anyone that has done can tell you that.

I still havn't seen the VODs, but from what I heard, Thorzain was a huge baller, while MC didn't look like himself. I shall wait until I do to pass judgement
SooYoung-Noona!
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
April 23 2011 23:25 GMT
#6478
On April 24 2011 08:24 ffadicted wrote:
Playing an online tournament is different then a LAN tournament, anyone that has done can tell you that.

I still havn't seen the VODs, but from what I heard, Thorzain was a huge baller, while MC didn't look like himself. I shall wait until I do to pass judgement

MC didn't look like himself at all. I mean he didn't all-in even once.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 23 2011 23:27 GMT
#6479
Was rooting for Adell, but seeing 2 protoss lose in one night is really good for SC2 given the current situation (if only for image sake). The fav of the tourny (MC) going out is pretty big as well.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
April 23 2011 23:29 GMT
#6480
On April 24 2011 08:27 On_Slaught wrote:
Was rooting for Adell, but seeing 2 protoss lose in one night is really good for SC2 given the current situation (if only for image sake). The fav of the tourny (MC) going out is pretty big as well.


Have you been watching the GSL lately? Protosses are getting eliminated left and right by Terran.
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