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On April 24 2011 07:51 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:41 Orpheusz wrote:On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him. Ok, but it was. There's no point arguing who would win in a LAN setting. They both played in a LAN setting though, just not the same one.  Thorzain in Norway at The Gathering and MC in Denmark.
Did they ever confirm this one? All I remember Chill saying was "Oh, I think MC is in Denmark right now for a tournament, which must mean that this series was played while MC is staying in Denmark." Not exactly the best assumption to make considering MC was in Korea playing in GSL just a few days ago.
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On April 24 2011 08:07 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Hope mods make an explicit note that MC/Thor was played on EU while MC was in EU (or at least in the youtube VoDs etc), people seem to ignore what Chill/Artosis said at the start of the cast.
We really shouldn't have to, because even KR → EU (via NA) lag is not a game-breaking advantage for any player :/ As Jinro pointed out in the TSL forum, playing at near 100% in the lag is just a matter of practicing enough to get used to the latency.
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On April 24 2011 08:09 ULTRAmarine wrote:
mass void rays don't counter the thor strat since it's almost impossible to micro the rays so they don't take splash damage. they're too fragile. i'm thinking some odd carrier transition might stop it but then again vikings fuck shit up.
Rays do decent with magic box, but a tiny number of marines will render them useless because you can't micro them against the marines when they're within thor range.
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On April 24 2011 08:06 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:02 JWD wrote:On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him. "I guarantee MC would win if SC2 was a different game." What? I guarantee Thorzain would still win if SC2 was W3.
Im sorry but that just made my day.
Great play by ThorZain. Looking forward to watching and following him.
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On April 24 2011 08:10 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:51 TheBanana wrote:On April 24 2011 07:41 Orpheusz wrote:On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him. Ok, but it was. There's no point arguing who would win in a LAN setting. They both played in a LAN setting though, just not the same one. Thorzain in Norway at The Gathering and MC in Denmark. Did they ever confirm this one? All I remember Chill saying was "Oh, I think MC is in Denmark right now for a tournament, which must mean that this series was played while MC is staying in Denmark." Not exactly the best assumption to make considering MC was in Korea playing in GSL just a few days ago.
Chill specifically said that MC was in EU so lag was not an issue and people couldn't blame that if MC lost.
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On April 24 2011 08:02 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:01 ROOTFayth wrote:On April 24 2011 07:58 s4life wrote:
It's sad to see so many comments downgrading Thorzain accomplishments.
1. MC didn't have Thorzain's replays. Well, Thorzain didn't have MC's either.
2. Lag. Well, oth players were in europe.
3. MC didn't get outplayed, he just didn't upgrade. Well, upgrades and timing attacks go hand in hand.
4. MC would have won in a LAN setting, not just battle.net. Well, what is next? MC needs to stare and you in the eye for him to win? they were playing on the same lag, wtf are you talking about Please re-read.
no need to re-read u talk as if one was at a disadvantage
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On April 24 2011 08:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:10 Sein wrote:On April 24 2011 07:51 TheBanana wrote:On April 24 2011 07:41 Orpheusz wrote:On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him. Ok, but it was. There's no point arguing who would win in a LAN setting. They both played in a LAN setting though, just not the same one. Thorzain in Norway at The Gathering and MC in Denmark. Did they ever confirm this one? All I remember Chill saying was "Oh, I think MC is in Denmark right now for a tournament, which must mean that this series was played while MC is staying in Denmark." Not exactly the best assumption to make considering MC was in Korea playing in GSL just a few days ago. Chill specifically said that MC was in EU so lag was not an issue and people couldn't blame that if MC lost.
Yeah I remember hearing the same thing toward the beginning of today's casts, but what I thought he said was "I believe MC is in Denmark for a [tournament I can't remember the name of] right now. That means both players were playing on the European server and you can't bring up the latency issue anymore". Wasn't it? It sounded like he was just making an assumption there considering they are casting from replays.
That is, unless they mentioned it again and confirmed it sometime during when the MC/Thorzain series was being casted.
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Lag wasn't an issue. Anyone who watched that game objectively would be able to see that. Thorzain just played really well. Game 4 was sick with a lot of back and forth action. Looking forward to more terrans adapting this fast bio upgrade style instead of early pressure.
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Does anyone know how long that 4th game was? It felt like it went on forever
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On April 24 2011 08:11 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:07 PartyBiscuit wrote:
Hope mods make an explicit note that MC/Thor was played on EU while MC was in EU (or at least in the youtube VoDs etc), people seem to ignore what Chill/Artosis said at the start of the cast. We really shouldn't have to, because even KR → EU (via NA) lag is not a game-breaking advantage for any player :/ As numerous pros have agreed, playing at near 100% in the lag is just a matter of practicing enough to get used to the latency.
But unfortunately, many are either ignorant or simply refuse to acknowledge it.
MC being taken out is an upset as significant as Flash being eliminated from a league by Hyuk, the Youtube vods definitely need giant red captions to remind the audience that both players are physically in Europe at the time.
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On April 24 2011 08:18 hugman wrote:
Does anyone know how long that 4th game was? It felt like it went on forever
I don't think it was that long, it was just really back and forth.
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On April 24 2011 08:11 Orpheusz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:09 ULTRAmarine wrote:
mass void rays don't counter the thor strat since it's almost impossible to micro the rays so they don't take splash damage. they're too fragile. i'm thinking some odd carrier transition might stop it but then again vikings fuck shit up. Rays do decent with magic box, but a tiny number of marines will render them useless because you can't micro them against the marines when they're within thor range.
There is no counter for toss other than not let them get it. Pros have tried it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211014
Sure maybe if you had 30 VR and hallucinate another 20 but terran rolls you long before building it.
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On April 24 2011 08:14 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:02 s4life wrote:On April 24 2011 08:01 ROOTFayth wrote:On April 24 2011 07:58 s4life wrote:
It's sad to see so many comments downgrading Thorzain accomplishments.
1. MC didn't have Thorzain's replays. Well, Thorzain didn't have MC's either.
2. Lag. Well, oth players were in europe.
3. MC didn't get outplayed, he just didn't upgrade. Well, upgrades and timing attacks go hand in hand.
4. MC would have won in a LAN setting, not just battle.net. Well, what is next? MC needs to stare and you in the eye for him to win? they were playing on the same lag, wtf are you talking about Please re-read. no need to re-read u talk as if one was at a disadvantage
Actually maybe you should re read. He was bringing up counter points to 4 different "disadvantages" that people claim, while he is essentially saying it is all wrong, and that they were on a level playing field.
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Going by the unit tester, straight void rays vs thors it's basically no contest. Rays win overwhelmingly with magic box and hold position over thors. Thorzain didn't have many marines with his force if I recall either, though he probably would have reacted with marines if he sniffed void rays were coming.
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On April 24 2011 08:09 ULTRAmarine wrote:
mass void rays don't counter the thor strat since it's almost impossible to micro the rays so they don't take splash damage. they're too fragile. i'm thinking some odd carrier transition might stop it but then again vikings fuck shit up.
Can't you just.. spread them before the battle? 1v1 a voidray beats a thor easily. A repaired thor might be another issue, but then the thor is more expensive and double the supply, so that should offset it somewhat.
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Playing an online tournament is different then a LAN tournament, anyone that has done can tell you that.
I still havn't seen the VODs, but from what I heard, Thorzain was a huge baller, while MC didn't look like himself. I shall wait until I do to pass judgement 
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On April 24 2011 08:24 ffadicted wrote:Playing an online tournament is different then a LAN tournament, anyone that has done can tell you that. I still havn't seen the VODs, but from what I heard, Thorzain was a huge baller, while MC didn't look like himself. I shall wait until I do to pass judgement
MC didn't look like himself at all. I mean he didn't all-in even once.
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Was rooting for Adell, but seeing 2 protoss lose in one night is really good for SC2 given the current situation (if only for image sake). The fav of the tourny (MC) going out is pretty big as well.
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On April 24 2011 08:27 On_Slaught wrote:
Was rooting for Adell, but seeing 2 protoss lose in one night is really good for SC2 given the current situation (if only for image sake). The fav of the tourny (MC) going out is pretty big as well.
Have you been watching the GSL lately? Protosses are getting eliminated left and right by Terran.
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