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TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 23 2011 22:51 GMT
#6441
On April 24 2011 07:41 Orpheusz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him.


Ok, but it was. There's no point arguing who would win in a LAN setting.


They both played in a LAN setting though, just not the same one.
Thorzain in Norway at The Gathering and MC in Denmark.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
April 23 2011 22:51 GMT
#6442
On April 24 2011 07:47 K3Nyy wrote:
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On April 24 2011 07:37 s4life wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:36 K3Nyy wrote:
I feel like MC didn't really get outplayed, it's just that he didn't upgrade his units.


upgrades are part of the game lad.


Of course they are, but you could've said the same about Cruncher vs Mondragon. Outplayed him the whole time but didn't get any infestors.


Sure you can outplay your opponents and still lose but both of your examples of this are horrible.
Catreina
Profile Joined April 2010
United States304 Posts
April 23 2011 22:51 GMT
#6443
On April 24 2011 07:31 tdt wrote:
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On April 24 2011 07:13 Seagull_ wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:07 tdt wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:40 raga4ka wrote:
I think mass Voidrays counter this Thor strategy in the last game .

There is no counter there is a thread in strat about it. VR's get wreaked by repairing thors who do splash. Zealots /stalkers can't do any damage to +3 armored up thor. Immortals get wrecked with cannon. HT used to be counter but mana bar was removed.

Counter is not letting terran get mass thor with a WG push.


MC had the units, he just didn't know the critical little trick where you can lift your own immortals with your phoenix which cancels strike cannons. Imagine if he had done that and rolled thorzain, he'd look absolutely amazing.

Nice "trick" to get immortals/phoenix shot at for 10seconds by 8 thors who are getting repaired. This strat has been tried and fails too.



You Grav the immy that is being cannoned then esc immediately to let the immy land again, taking as little damage as possible without returning fire.
Blueblister
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden321 Posts
April 23 2011 22:53 GMT
#6444
On April 24 2011 06:52 Xaax wrote:
This is quite unfair for MC where he can only rely on his instinct against a terran with a good mechanics and some awesome timing builds with no other games to show this other than the tsl and a few other sources. Thorzain may be overrated for now as we haven't really seem him play live yet, we have yet to see Thorzain crack in pressure ^^. Other than that Thorzain with incredible mechanics quite impress I am.

Their is probably the same amount of games with Thorzain as MC if the latter bothers looking.

From your comment I can tell that you haven't been paying much attention to the European scene. Thorzain has actually attended two of the large European events. He also beat Naama live on the DreamHack stage the same day the latter won DreamHack. Live events he has played in:
(Wiki)ESL Pro Series Nordic Season 3
(Wiki)DreamHack Winter 2010
(Wiki)The Gathering Easter 2011

You've gotten one thing right though. Thorzain's results has on average been inferior when playing live. This is very likely attributable to Thorzain not being able to use his greatest strength: preparing for specific matches.
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
April 23 2011 22:56 GMT
#6445
MC out in GSL and TSL
what a good week for SC2 ;d
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
April 23 2011 22:56 GMT
#6446
On April 24 2011 07:19 jester- wrote:
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On April 24 2011 07:17 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I have to say it wouldn't be close if not for lag.

MC relies a lot on his micro and it was clearly weak in that series. The forcefeidls and storms were hilariously bad at some points.


There needs to be like a ban filter for shit like this.


there already is: no need to respond to it.
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
April 23 2011 22:57 GMT
#6447
On April 24 2011 07:56 DarkRise wrote:
MC out in GSL and TSL
what a good week for SC2 ;d


too bad he just destroyed copenhagen
what a good week for SC2
MUFFINS1
Profile Joined March 2011
United States533 Posts
April 23 2011 22:57 GMT
#6448
Guys why are u flipping out when MC loses 1 match he can't win everything, no one can. It's not like Thorzain is better than MC or vise versa
hi
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
April 23 2011 22:58 GMT
#6449
It's sad to see so many comments downgrading Thorzain accomplishments.
1. MC didn't have Thorzain's replays. Well, Thorzain didn't have MC's either.
2. Lag. Well, oth players were in europe.
3. MC didn't get outplayed, he just didn't upgrade. Well, upgrades and timing attacks go hand in hand.
4. MC would have won in a LAN setting, not just battle.net. Well, what is next? MC needs to stare and you in the eye for him to win?
mycro
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1579 Posts
April 23 2011 22:58 GMT
#6450
On April 24 2011 06:50 PHC wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:39 Hot_Bid wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:36 PHC wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Its really interesting to read threads like this. Koreans are plain and simply losing often to Europeans, yet no one is willing to admit it. Maybe a year from now once its normal, people will accept European equality?

Question is: can they repeat their results on LAN? So far, nope. Way to come out of your shell when a Korean loses to bait a Europe vs Korea war that is unnecessary.

Both Thorzain and MC played from Europe this round.



LAN does not mean playing on the same server. While it's great that you are addressing that, my point still stands. Some examples: IEM, Dreamhack, Assembly, GSL, ESL.


What's up with the LAN obsession? Starcraft 2 has no LAN feature anyway and when you are in northern europe the internet connections are so good lag becomes a none issue. Only other reason to argue for LAN at this point is to make sure none of them were cheating. Which I seriously doubt.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
April 23 2011 23:00 GMT
#6451
On April 24 2011 07:57 MUFFINS1 wrote:
Guys why are u flipping out when MC loses 1 match he can't win everything, no one can. It's not like Thorzain is better than MC or vise versa


It happens all the time in spectator sports. Just using a very recent example - mvp when he was on his mini-Protoss slump - everyone was making threads asking if he "peaked," blah blah blah...and what now?

We CAN, however, make judgments on individual things that we see IN the play. That's what some people are doing right now, and there's nothing wrong with that.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 23 2011 23:01 GMT
#6452
On April 24 2011 07:58 s4life wrote:
It's sad to see so many comments downgrading Thorzain accomplishments.
1. MC didn't have Thorzain's replays. Well, Thorzain didn't have MC's either.
2. Lag. Well, oth players were in europe.
3. MC didn't get outplayed, he just didn't upgrade. Well, upgrades and timing attacks go hand in hand.
4. MC would have won in a LAN setting, not just battle.net. Well, what is next? MC needs to stare and you in the eye for him to win?

they were playing on the same lag, wtf are you talking about
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
April 23 2011 23:02 GMT
#6453
On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him.

"I guarantee MC would win if SC2 was a different game."

What?
✌
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
April 23 2011 23:02 GMT
#6454
On April 24 2011 08:01 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 07:58 s4life wrote:
It's sad to see so many comments downgrading Thorzain accomplishments.
1. MC didn't have Thorzain's replays. Well, Thorzain didn't have MC's either.
2. Lag. Well, oth players were in europe.
3. MC didn't get outplayed, he just didn't upgrade. Well, upgrades and timing attacks go hand in hand.
4. MC would have won in a LAN setting, not just battle.net. Well, what is next? MC needs to stare and you in the eye for him to win?

they were playing on the same lag, wtf are you talking about


Please re-read.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
April 23 2011 23:06 GMT
#6455
On April 24 2011 08:02 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 07:41 SEANSYE wrote:
I guarantee MC would win if this wasn't over the battle.net. With that said, ThorZain was awesome and fantastic job to him.

"I guarantee MC would win if SC2 was a different game."

What?

I guarantee Thorzain would still win if SC2 was W3.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
April 23 2011 23:06 GMT
#6456
Haha...this is like when Idra was knocked out of TSL2.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 23:08:10
April 23 2011 23:07 GMT
#6457
On April 24 2011 07:53 Blueblister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:52 Xaax wrote:
This is quite unfair for MC where he can only rely on his instinct against a terran with a good mechanics and some awesome timing builds with no other games to show this other than the tsl and a few other sources. Thorzain may be overrated for now as we haven't really seem him play live yet, we have yet to see Thorzain crack in pressure ^^. Other than that Thorzain with incredible mechanics quite impress I am.

Their is probably the same amount of games with Thorzain as MC if the latter bothers looking.

From your comment I can tell that you haven't been paying much attention to the European scene. Thorzain has actually attended two of the large European events. He also beat Naama live on the DreamHack stage the same day the latter won DreamHack. Live events he has played in:
(Wiki)ESL Pro Series Nordic Season 3
(Wiki)DreamHack Winter 2010
(Wiki)The Gathering Easter 2011

You've gotten one thing right though. Thorzain's results has on average been inferior when playing live. This is very likely attributable to Thorzain not being able to use his greatest strength: preparing for specific matches.


Two of those are a long ass time ago and at that point he hadn't really accomplished anything that would warrant a better results, meaning he didn't really underperformed. The gathering he did pretty well in, going out in the quarter against his teammate in a bo3. I don't think that is proof of anything.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
April 23 2011 23:07 GMT
#6458
Hope mods make an explicit note that MC/Thor was played on EU while MC was in EU (or at least in the youtube VoDs etc), people seem to ignore what Chill/Artosis said at the start of the cast.
the farm ends here
ULTRAmarine
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden47 Posts
April 23 2011 23:09 GMT
#6459
mass void rays don't counter the thor strat since it's almost impossible to micro the rays so they don't take splash damage. they're too fragile. i'm thinking some odd carrier transition might stop it but then again vikings fuck shit up.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 23 2011 23:09 GMT
#6460
"Fun" fact: Of the last 6 players in TSL, 5 won a TL-open qualifier.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
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