EPTOn April 24 2011 08:14 ROOTFayth wrote:
no need to re-read u talk as if one was at a disadvantage
no need to re-read u talk as if one was at a disadvantage
Well, obviously you read it wrongly then.
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
Well, obviously you read it wrongly then. | ||
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Lizarb
Denmark307 Posts
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:23 Nimic wrote: Can't you just.. spread them before the battle? 1v1 a voidray beats a thor easily. A repaired thor might be another issue, but then the thor is more expensive and double the supply, so that should offset it somewhat. Repair, Vikings also shooting VR three hexes away, and marines is death to VR. The counter was HTs but it was too powerful killing a massively upgraded thor with ease considering it's slowness. MC had his chance when 1-2 were on field with lightly defended base but choose to expand. 1 or 2 w/o armor blink slaker just own. | ||
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mycro
Sweden1579 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:18 hugman wrote: Does anyone know how long that 4th game was? It felt like it went on forever I remember looking at the in-game timer when it was at ~31min.. so im guessing it ended at 35-40mins (game time). | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:24 ffadicted wrote: Playing an online tournament is different then a LAN tournament, anyone that has done can tell you that. I still havn't seen the VODs, but from what I heard, Thorzain was a huge baller, while MC didn't look like himself. I shall wait until I do to pass judgement  IMO MC looked like himself but as you said Thorzain was a huge baller. | ||
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:07 nam nam wrote: Two of those are a long ass time ago and at that point he hadn't really accomplished anything that would warrant a better results, meaning he didn't really underperformed. The gathering he did pretty well in, going out in the quarter against his teammate in a bo3. I don't think that is proof of anything. If you mean not accomplished anything as in not participating due to still being in school and an active WC3 player you are right. If you look at individual matches against top players he has been amongst the top since release. He did play a very close match against Morrow in GamerTVs Swedish tournament when MorroW/SjoW/ was dominating everything. He also posted a 5-3 record against SjoW/Naama/MadfroG in the group stages of ESL Nordic (his 2-0 victory over MorroW doesn't count as MorroW was in the process of switching races). Both of these was tournaments when the matches where known far in advance which allowed him to prepare. Comparably, Thorzain has kind of flopped at LANs; not making it out of group play at DreamHack and loosing to his first major obstacle at The Gathering. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
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sinii
England989 Posts
MC played every bit as good as MC plays he was abso-frickin-lutely himself. They were both in the EU playing on the EU and they both played to the best of their abilities. Thorzain straight up won today. End of story. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:21 tdt wrote: There is no counter for toss other than not let them get it. Pros have tried it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211014 Sure maybe if you had 30 VR and hallucinate another 20 but terran rolls you long before building it. Zergs have been struggling with Protoss deathballs for months, and yet people tell us to try different compositions, but you're sure nothing can beat this after it being used by one played in two games? | ||
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iMp.will.
Bulgaria441 Posts
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:43 hugman wrote: Zergs have been struggling with Protoss deathballs for months, and yet people tell us to try different compositions, but you're sure nothing can beat this after it being used by one played in two games? There were a MYRIAD of things MC could have done differently. Warp prism harass throughout the game would have slowed Thorzain's production down, for example. Multi-pronged attacks might have worked better instead of a huge deathball. The fact that SC2 right now is still one huge ball against another huge ball is a testament to the game's infantile strategic and mechanical state. Unless there is solid and well developed mathematical proof that deathballs are better than BW-esque multi-pronged attacks of guerilla units, I just have to chalk it up to pro players being mechanically and strategically lazy. I might be wrong, but I refuse to believe that SC2 is just a game of whoever gets a better blob composition at a certain food range, and engages at the right position. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On April 24 2011 07:31 dtz wrote: If you didn't think game 4 was one of the greatest matches in SC2 history, which game qualifies as such? Pretty sure everyone else will be able to pinpoint mistakes and flaws in any games you will mention. For such a short time this game has been on, that game 4 was as good as they come. Kiwikaki vs Morrow (Metalopolis) and Clide vs Leenock (Shakuras Plateau) come to mind. | ||
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:09 TheBanana wrote: "Fun" fact: Of the last 6 players in TSL, 5 won a TL-open qualifier. Oh, thats really interesting! Thanks for pointing it out =D | ||
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stopmakingsense
United States35 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:44 s4life wrote: No VODs yet for this? They are being added now. Early games showing up here: http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet | ||
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Rammstorm
Germany1434 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:45 Qaatar wrote: There were a MYRIAD of things MC could have done differently. Warp prism harass throughout the game would have slowed Thorzain's production down, for example. Multi-pronged attacks might have worked better instead of a huge deathball. The fact that SC2 right now is still one huge ball against another huge ball is a testament to the game's infantile strategic and mechanical state. Unless there is solid and well developed mathematical proof that deathballs are better than BW-esque multi-pronged attacks of guerilla units, I just have to chalk it up to pro players being mechanically and strategically lazy. I might be wrong, but I refuse to believe that SC2 is just a game of whoever gets a better blob composition at a certain food range, and engages at the right position. There is a thing called synergy favoring bigger groups of combined units over 1 unit type mass and/or guerrilla type attack mode. Harass is good but not so much favored in sc2. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:57 stopmakingsense wrote: They are being added now. Early games showing up here: http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet Thank you sir. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:43 hugman wrote: Zergs have been struggling with Protoss deathballs for months, and yet people tell us to try different compositions, but you're sure nothing can beat this after it being used by one played in two games? Mass infestors dominate a death ball. There is nothing toss can do against mass armored thor with viking cover we tried everything. read the thread. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On April 24 2011 08:45 Qaatar wrote: There were a MYRIAD of things MC could have done differently. Warp prism harass throughout the game would have slowed Thorzain's production down, for example. Multi-pronged attacks might have worked better instead of a huge deathball. The fact that SC2 right now is still one huge ball against another huge ball is a testament to the game's infantile strategic and mechanical state. Unless there is solid and well developed mathematical proof that deathballs are better than BW-esque multi-pronged attacks of guerilla units, I just have to chalk it up to pro players being mechanically and strategically lazy. I might be wrong, but I refuse to believe that SC2 is just a game of whoever gets a better blob composition at a certain food range, and engages at the right position. MC could have stomped him with a gate push when he saw it since thors suck on thier own. Indeed a myrid of things could have won it for him. I was only commenting on blob vs blob. | ||
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