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I predict that Koreans will go 1-1 tonight.
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On April 22 2011 08:58 Slurpy wrote:
I predict that Koreans will go 1-1 tonight.
Oh you so clever >.>;; LOL.
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As a followup and as an equally risky gambler, I'd like to wager that foreigners will go 4-4.
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So many great games with this tonight, plus the addition of the IGN leauge. My mind is going to explode.
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Should be some good games. White-ra v Sjow should be a good series and July usually plays pretty exciting games.
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White-Ra vs Sjow and July vs Ensnare are the highlights for sure.
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Well if white-ra doesnt win its allrdy game over for im in NASL. Its a bloddy disaster really!!
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can't wait to see iNc put the hulk smash on CrunCher
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interesting matches
rooting for white-ra, inc and July
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Pregame show is live, and so it begins!
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QXC and TT1 is gonna be my favorite match of the night
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Looks like stream is fine this time.
Good.
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Did the lighting change? Looks better to me.
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some sick matches tonight, looking forward too it
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On April 22 2011 09:34 raf3776 wrote:
QXC and TT1 is gonna be my favorite match of the night
July vs Ensnare , HELLO? No lag issues on that match either.
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Damn that studio looks so empty. Strange that I almost miss the colorful sponsorship signs that usually plague the tournament streams.
Interesting seeing Gretorp on his own. But is he gonna keep this up for the whole preshow? That is a really tough job.
Anyway lets hope for some nice games. Sjow vs WhiteRa is always fun
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Yay! No t-shirt! What's with the XSplit watermark though?
Great games today, looking forward to Ra vs SjoW
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go Sjow!! You can take Ra this time!
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you know what screams professional?
the xsplit watermark.. yeah baby
also, still cant view anything over 360p without mass lag spikes even tho im on a 14mbit connection
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Can we expect Diggity again for the incontrol match? I sure hope so.
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On April 22 2011 09:46 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 09:34 raf3776 wrote:
QXC and TT1 is gonna be my favorite match of the night July vs Ensnare , HELLO? No lag issues on that match either.
They are going to be playing on the NA server.
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Why is there a blue light flashing on gretorp?
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poor gretorp, he looks scared shitless
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Yay, Inc vs Cruncher!!!
Did I miss much?Just saw that NASL was live :\
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On April 22 2011 09:51 danson wrote:
you know what screams professional?
the xsplit watermark.. yeah baby
also, still cant view anything over 360p without mass lag spikes even tho im on a 14mbit connection
Argh, they need a bigger budget apparently. Watermark for the lose.
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I really hope iNcontroL beats Cruncher!
Much better style, much better guy! Gogogo!
WhiteRa vs. SjoW should be really exciting... I hope White-Ra wins 2-1 
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G-man: "The one who wins the first few battles will come out on top"... you don't say!!!
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hereee we goo (: if anything NASL brings us oodles and oodles of sc2 which can never be bad
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On April 22 2011 09:53 zerious wrote:
poor gretorp, he looks scared shitless
Looks okay to me. Doing a pretty good job ^_^
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On April 22 2011 09:53 Dimenus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 09:51 danson wrote:
you know what screams professional?
the xsplit watermark.. yeah baby
also, still cant view anything over 360p without mass lag spikes even tho im on a 14mbit connection Argh, they need a bigger budget apparently. Watermark for the lose.
pretty sure they didnt have it yesterday, its just mental slipups day in and day out
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On April 22 2011 09:55 danson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 09:53 Dimenus wrote:On April 22 2011 09:51 danson wrote:
you know what screams professional?
the xsplit watermark.. yeah baby
also, still cant view anything over 360p without mass lag spikes even tho im on a 14mbit connection Argh, they need a bigger budget apparently. Watermark for the lose. pretty sure they didnt have it yesterday, its just mental slipups day in and day out
they did have it yesterday, i noticed it during the last few games
edit: gretorp looking snazzy
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poor gretorp, doing the job of 2 on his own. Hang on buddy !
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Come on! Give us da games!!!
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Terrible...of the two it's really unfortunate the Torp had to do the solo work  Where's diggity when you need him?
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The logo is because xsplit site is down and I guess it auto does watermark if you're not logged in. I still don't get why the stream framerate is jerky. They need someone that knows what they're doing. If I was in CA or wherever they are I would go in there.
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Honestly, I'm liking Gretorp more and more as a commentator. The guy's growing on me
It's obviously hard to sit there and talk for twenty minutes by yourself >.>
And "Incontorp" is becoming a pretty good casting archon, in my opinion. They're developing very well, and finding their own niche.
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keep doing great gretorp!
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Gretorp seems to be doing ok, but that flashing blue light is severely distracting. I had to minimize the window while I listen to him, cause it's reallly bothering me. Luckily won't impact the games, and can't wait for those!
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T.T even with another day buffer
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On April 22 2011 10:02 mierin wrote:
Walkover # what now? >.>
3 I think.
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wow nasl... wow
LOL 15 min hype up for the game that wast played, and then straight into the next match without talking about it
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Ugh no qxc.... was looking forward to that one.
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On April 22 2011 10:02 mikyaJ wrote:
T.T even with another day buffer
Yeah thats pretty fucking ridiculous on the players part.
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TT1 got it, QXC could not get to a computer apparently.
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Gretorp with the amazing introduction of the qxc tt1 match into...walkover
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I can't believe that qxc couldn't find a computer somewhere. So weird.
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I'm beginning to really regret adding QXC to my fantasy team
What's going on with all the walkovers anyway?
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Why, qxc?!
Anyways, you NASL guys must be giggling since this is all prerecorded and we all act all surprised
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On April 22 2011 10:02 danson wrote:
wow nasl... wow
Wow what? Are you fucking seriously blaming them for maintaining a proper schedule?
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I bet we have more walkovers in groups 3 and 4 again.
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I'm curious to see if we get even more walkovers later in the season when some of the division members are no longer in contention.
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I don't think any of this can be thought NASL's fault, just seems like the format is making players not take these games as seriously as they should when you consider the prize pool. Hope QXC gives some kind of explanation for the no-show though, pretty unacceptable =/
Edit: Wow, if he really couldn't connect to NA at a netcafe that's pretty rough =(
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On April 22 2011 10:03 tooPrime wrote:
I can't believe that qxc couldn't find a computer somewhere. So weird.
I believe he could at a net cafe, but then it could not connect to NA.
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These players need to get their acts together...I get the feeling they treat NASL as a second class tournament, at best.
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moman is always so mannered saying thx lol
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Random thought: Does Darkforce's NASL picture look like Phil Hellmuth to anyone else?
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Anyone have audio issues at the moment?
<3 Gretorp
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Yeah, little bummed out by that walkover, wish there was more they could do about it but I can't think of anything... Just getting a bit frustrating is all.
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Big disappointment that qxc didn't get to play.
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"I love you, MoMan"
"I know"
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On April 22 2011 10:05 mierin wrote:
These players need to get their acts together...I get the feeling they treat NASL as a second class tournament, at best.
They probably just feel like it's early, they'll regret it if they don't get top 2 of their group though.
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On April 22 2011 10:04 Scribble wrote:Wow what? Are you fucking seriously blaming them for maintaining a proper schedule?
Yes. The format/crappy maps/sketchy presentation = players not taking the league seriously.
On April 22 2011 10:04 frogstar wrote:
I'm curious to see if we get even more walkovers later in the season when some of the division members are no longer in contention.
this.
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On April 22 2011 10:04 Jehct wrote:
I don't think any of this can be thought NASL's fault, just seems like the format is making players not take these games as seriously as they should when you consider the prize pool. Hope QXC gives some kind of explanation for the no-show though, pretty unacceptable =/
Yeah I think its the format, still its pretty unprofessional that so many foreign players are not showing up.
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On April 22 2011 10:04 Scribble wrote:Wow what? Are you fucking seriously blaming them for maintaining a proper schedule?
Yeah this is nothing but the player's fault. It's really fucking dumb that NASL is giving so much leeway and there are still walkovers. I hope there's a fine.
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have this and IGN open. Switching back and forth, and theres really no reason to watch the NASL atm if you don't have HQ.
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Speed for Darkforce looking bad for moman
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On April 22 2011 10:04 Jehct wrote:
I don't think any of this can be thought NASL's fault, just seems like the format is making players not take these games as seriously as they should when you consider the prize pool. Hope QXC gives some kind of explanation for the no-show though, pretty unacceptable =/
He's on Spring Break in Granada right now. He tried to get on at a PC Cafe. He couldn't get on the NA server. We tried to do what we could to see if we could play on the EU server, however we encountered lots of problems.
First, we don't have secret accounts for the EU server, and because both casters & players used their regular accounts, the game was publicly visible. The NASL maps are not loaded on the EU server for use. Lastly, we encountered a lot of lag in the game that made it unplayable.
We gave the rest of the day's time window for Qxc to find a way onto the NA server. He couldn't. We gave an extra day for Qxc to find a way to get on NA. He didn't do so.
This is what happened.
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Just tuned in. What happened to qxc vs TT1 and where is Incontrol? Also, I hear Khaldor is casting. Nice!
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Darkforce taking out a shitload of drones with banelings
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On April 22 2011 10:04 Scribble wrote:Wow what? Are you fucking seriously blaming them for maintaining a proper schedule?
I expect a starleague to be able to bend time and space!!
this post has been brought to you by the makers of sarcasm
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lol baneling massacre. didn't spread his drones fast enough.
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On April 22 2011 10:08 PraetorianX wrote:
Just tuned in. What happened to qxc vs TT1 and where is Incontrol? Also, I hear Khaldor is casting. Nice!
iNcontroL doesn't cast on days he plays. Qxc couldn't get on the NA server so TT1 got a walk over.
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On April 22 2011 10:08 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:04 Jehct wrote:
I don't think any of this can be thought NASL's fault, just seems like the format is making players not take these games as seriously as they should when you consider the prize pool. Hope QXC gives some kind of explanation for the no-show though, pretty unacceptable =/ He's on Spring Break in Granada right now. He tried to get on at a PC Cafe. He couldn't get on the NA server. We tried to do what we could to see if we could play on the EU server, however we encountered lots of problems. First, we don't have secret accounts for the EU server, and because both casters & players used their regular accounts, the game was publicly visible. The NASL maps are not loaded on the EU server for use. Lastly, we encountered a lot of lag in the game that made it unplayable. We gave the rest of the day's time window for Qxc to find a way onto the NA server. He couldn't. We gave an extra day for Qxc to find a way to get on NA. He didn't do so. This is what happened.
I seriously wish people would shut the fuck up with the "wow, this players actions are unacceptable" when they know absolutely nothing about what went on. So annoying, thanks for the explanation
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4 drones vs 4 drones, Darkforce attacks with lings but momans lings hold! Darkforce 7 supply moman 19 supply! Awesome game.
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6 drones to 4 drones?! crazy effective attacks. MoMan sending roaches...
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MoMan has a bunch of roaches marcher to Darkforces base
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Fuck yeah MoMaN! Excellent counter
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Darkforce threw away the game by suiciding his lings on MoMan's roaches. Roach counter attack wins.
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Wow. The difference between IGN and NASL is like day and night. Switching over to the IGN stream and coming back here when the July game is up.
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Gretorp seems to becoming more and more articulate and clear in his casting. I likey ; )
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On April 22 2011 10:08 Xeris wrote:
He's on Spring Break in Granada right now
Try telling that to your boss if you miss a work day. Far more depressing than all of NASL failures is to see prominent players not give a shit.
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Gretorp doing fantastic casting.
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On April 22 2011 10:08 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:04 Jehct wrote:
I don't think any of this can be thought NASL's fault, just seems like the format is making players not take these games as seriously as they should when you consider the prize pool. Hope QXC gives some kind of explanation for the no-show though, pretty unacceptable =/ He's on Spring Break in Granada right now. He tried to get on at a PC Cafe. He couldn't get on the NA server. We tried to do what we could to see if we could play on the EU server, however we encountered lots of problems. First, we don't have secret accounts for the EU server, and because both casters & players used their regular accounts, the game was publicly visible. The NASL maps are not loaded on the EU server for use. Lastly, we encountered a lot of lag in the game that made it unplayable. We gave the rest of the day's time window for Qxc to find a way onto the NA server. He couldn't. We gave an extra day for Qxc to find a way to get on NA. He didn't do so. This is what happened.
Wasnt there a deposit to play in the NASL, do players forfeit their deposits after missing 1-2 matches?
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Nice to see Khaldor as well
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Khaldor looks like a total badass !
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On April 22 2011 10:06 danson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:04 Scribble wrote:On April 22 2011 10:02 danson wrote:
wow nasl... wow Wow what? Are you fucking seriously blaming them for maintaining a proper schedule? Yes. The format/crappy maps/sketchy presentation = players not taking the league seriously. Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:04 frogstar wrote:
I'm curious to see if we get even more walkovers later in the season when some of the division members are no longer in contention.
this.
A league format is making players not take a league seriously? You're right, leagues have never worked before. It's all the formats fault that people aren't showing up.
Oh, and the maps that were fixed! And the presentation that doesn't actually effect them. Yeah, that's why it's NASL's fault that players aren't showing up for their matches when a $50k prize pot is on the line.
Get a clue.
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On April 22 2011 10:10 loveeholicce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:08 Xeris wrote:On April 22 2011 10:04 Jehct wrote:
I don't think any of this can be thought NASL's fault, just seems like the format is making players not take these games as seriously as they should when you consider the prize pool. Hope QXC gives some kind of explanation for the no-show though, pretty unacceptable =/ He's on Spring Break in Granada right now. He tried to get on at a PC Cafe. He couldn't get on the NA server. We tried to do what we could to see if we could play on the EU server, however we encountered lots of problems. First, we don't have secret accounts for the EU server, and because both casters & players used their regular accounts, the game was publicly visible. The NASL maps are not loaded on the EU server for use. Lastly, we encountered a lot of lag in the game that made it unplayable. We gave the rest of the day's time window for Qxc to find a way onto the NA server. He couldn't. We gave an extra day for Qxc to find a way to get on NA. He didn't do so. This is what happened. I seriously wish people would shut the fuck up with the "wow, this players actions are unacceptable" when they know absolutely nothing about what went on. So annoying, thanks for the explanation
Newsflash, dude. If you make a commitment, you honor it. You plan ahead in your schedule to keep your commitment.
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What, another walkover? That's bad.
Also I hope Rainbows lag issues were not due to Startale's connection or else July might be affected too. I mean most of the other Korea vs X matches seemed to be pretty smooth.
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Moman proving that he is quite the good player, good to see him win. Lots of games though, and I'm super excited for whitera.
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I do like that they brought Kaldor in. Excellent idea.
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Completely unacceptable. I am usually always accepting of all SC tournaments, but with how good the IGN pro league looks, I dont think I am going to even keep this tourney up in an alternate window just out of spite for wasting my 20 dollars.
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lol NASL. Why did you make your league so long. GSL's has a way better format. Every game matters, and we kept a championship in under a month. These NASL games just don't have as much drama, and apparently the players see them as less important as well.
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Darkforce expanding vs MoMan banelings.
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Even if i love Incontrol i kind of feel these 2 Casters fit together a little better than the origanal caster combi.
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Srsly am i the only one to have awful lags or freezes with the stream ?
Sound is decent but video is so terrible ...
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qxc doesn't get losses for the walkover, right?
Doesn't that mean, if you think you're going to lose your match, that you actually have an incentive to miss the match and get a walkover, thus getting you fewer losses marked against you?
Edit: Not to accuse anyone of anything. I'm sure NASL considers this. I'm just curious generally.
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1 baneling kills all Darkforces lings.
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1 baneling to take out five zerglings!
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On April 22 2011 10:16 Carthac wrote:
Completely unacceptable. I am usually always accepting of all SC tournaments, but with how good the IGN pro league looks, I dont think I am going to even keep this tourney up in an alternate window just out of spite for wasting my 20 dollars.
Why would you even pay when you can watch in 480 P for free? It looks really good for free.
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Darkforce with roaches blocking his main.
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"Hey boss, sorry I couldn't make it to work today (like I agreed to when I signed the contract), I'm at spring break. I'll do my best to come but if I can't, sorry out of luck."
Real company: "...You're fired."
NASL HAS to penalize this kind of thing (just like Nani's BS) with losses. Things like the Whitera and MC situation can be forgiven somewhat, but Nani and QXC totally deserve penalties.
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On April 22 2011 10:18 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:16 Carthac wrote:
Completely unacceptable. I am usually always accepting of all SC tournaments, but with how good the IGN pro league looks, I dont think I am going to even keep this tourney up in an alternate window just out of spite for wasting my 20 dollars. Why would you even pay when you can watch in 480 P for free? It looks really good for free.
I bought the HD pass with high hopes before the season started : /
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Darkforce with a 10 food lead, bigger army, and expansion. MoMan just creating his roach warren.
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Is the low framerate a connection issue on my end or is that due to the video?
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On April 22 2011 10:20 eloist wrote:
Is the low framerate a connection issue on my end or is that due to the video?
Must be the video, as it's a little choppy on my end as well.
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MoMan's expansion is up, transfering drones, but still 10 food behind. Darkforce attacking.
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On April 22 2011 10:18 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:16 Carthac wrote:
Completely unacceptable. I am usually always accepting of all SC tournaments, but with how good the IGN pro league looks, I dont think I am going to even keep this tourney up in an alternate window just out of spite for wasting my 20 dollars. Why would you even pay when you can watch in 480 P for free? It looks really good for free.
Especially when justin.tv lags badly in Europe, so I can only watch 480p :/
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jesus, another walkover..
I'd give commentary on the game, but I haven't been able to get a stream since the pre-game..
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On April 22 2011 10:20 eloist wrote:
Is the low framerate a connection issue on my end or is that due to the video?
got the same thing
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On April 22 2011 10:19 Carthac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:18 Scila wrote:On April 22 2011 10:16 Carthac wrote:
Completely unacceptable. I am usually always accepting of all SC tournaments, but with how good the IGN pro league looks, I dont think I am going to even keep this tourney up in an alternate window just out of spite for wasting my 20 dollars. Why would you even pay when you can watch in 480 P for free? It looks really good for free. I bought the HD pass with high hopes before the season started : /
I wish they would just sort out the audio quality... it really bugs me after listening to GSL vods or the IGN league stream...
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Darkforce roaches in MoMan's main. It is tied up.
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Not looking good for Moman, and he gg's. Series tied 1-1.
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Moman is such a weird name.. keeps reminding me of the simpsons for some reason and i dunno why
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On April 22 2011 10:16 Carthac wrote:
Completely unacceptable. I am usually always accepting of all SC tournaments, but with how good the IGN pro league looks, I dont think I am going to even keep this tourney up in an alternate window just out of spite for wasting my 20 dollars.
Not really following your logic here. A player can't make his game and you not only place the blame on someone other than him, but somehow decide at that moment that you no longer care about the whole tournament?
Seems a bit goofy.
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Lol ZvZ. Good job by Darkforce that game though, holding 'til roaches.
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On April 22 2011 10:20 Ramennoodlesoup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:20 eloist wrote:
Is the low framerate a connection issue on my end or is that due to the video? Must be the video, as it's a little choppy on my end as well.
It's a problem on their end. Someone pointed out last night that it might be because of how they encode the videos. Not sure if the NASL guys are aware of it, so I just sent a tweet to Incontrol.
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i can only watch on 240... i can have IGN at best and nasl at 240 but as soon as i get nasl over that (even with any other stream close) i get chop issues = ( nice games anyway
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I just noticed that gretorp has a nice dress shirt on under his suit.
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Disappointing to say the least...
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well for some reason for a low quality stream.. it seems pretty high quality for me.. paying an extra $25 I would assume it going to be super sexy quality..
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Damn you, Olive Garden commercials
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On April 22 2011 10:23 checo wrote:
i can only watch on 240... i can have IGN at best and nasl at 240 but as soon as i get nasl over that (even with any other stream close) i get chop issues = ( nice games anyway
Yeah I don't understand...I have a great internet connection and am running the IGN one on best with not lag at all, but I have YET to do the NASL stream at anything above like 480p without massive lag (and even then it still lags a lot)...thinking about asking for a refund...
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Darkforce and Moman both on left side, Darkforce on top, Moman in south.
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nasl should copy some things of IPL TV production (music,sounds, graphics, videos..)
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Moman, 15 hatch first, extractor & pool for Darkforce. Darkforce scouts the expansion immediately.
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No way a frenchie gonna beat a german in a strategy wargame darkforce got this!
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On April 22 2011 10:19 mierin wrote:
"Hey boss, sorry I couldn't make it to work today (like I agreed to when I signed the contract), I'm at spring break. I'll do my best to come but if I can't, sorry out of luck."
Real company: "...You're fired."
NASL HAS to penalize this kind of thing (just like Nani's BS) with losses. Things like the Whitera and MC situation can be forgiven somewhat, but Nani and QXC totally deserve penalties.
They do get penalized and its more than just taking a loss for the series. Its just not public. As well its likely to hurt their chances into getting into the next season.
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On April 22 2011 10:25 Deleuzebwo wrote:
Damn you, Olive Garden commercials
for some reason i've never seen the olive garden commercial, i get car commercials and bing.
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Alright Darkforce, here or never
On April 22 2011 10:27 I)etox wrote:for some reason i've never seen the olive garden commercial, i get car commercials and bing.
I guess I just give of bourgeois vibes
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Darkforce pressuring with 4 lings, making baneling nest.
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On April 22 2011 10:27 I)etox wrote:for some reason i've never seen the olive garden commercial, i get car commercials and bing.
I get the HP commercial. Damn thing is stuck in my head. lol
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Moman holds initial pressure, but Darkforce sends in banelings and speedlings.
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Good banelings, Darkforce
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So far my casters order from first to last would be:
Diggity
incontrol
gretorp
khaldor
Loving the NASL even with all the walkover games, i cant usually watch all of it anyway.
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Darkforce banelings absolutely destroy Moman. 3 harvesters to 14.
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Damn that was awesome by Darkforce.
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Oh wow, I was expecting Moman to win that series. Great job Darkforce!
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On April 22 2011 10:22 ilmman wrote:
Moman is such a weird name.. keeps reminding me of the simpsons for some reason and i dunno why
This is why:
![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/simpsons/images/f/f0/HansMoleman.jpg)
Moman Fighting!!
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480p is fine for me almost always
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God, mirror matchups. But hell, Darkforce played that right
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Damnit, my attention is so divided between IGNPL and this >
I never thought I would say this but.... its too much starcraft
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Darkforce's train of thought:
Imma going to try to kill your drones with these banelings... check that, I see a mob, I'll be right back.
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Love the split screen casting, almost as much as I love getting to watch White-Ra right now!
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And again, Olive Garden. It's like they expect me to be the head of a sad suburban family who just doesn't know better.
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Why is the sound quality so terrible after NASL has had 6 broadcasts to identify and fix it? This is the first IPL broadcast and their sound quality is perfect on day 1. Like Tyler said on SotG, for some of us terrible sound ruins the whole experience.
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terrible sound might not ruin the whole experience, but when you combine it with the worst framerate of pretty much any remotely seriously broadcasted SC2 ever, you have unwatchable garbage.
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There's nothing like starting at "iphonelow" streaming quality. 2011, you are so far away still.
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What happened to Moman game?
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On April 22 2011 10:35 Duravi wrote:
Why is the sound quality so terrible after NASL has had 6 broadcasts to identify and fix it? This is the first IPL broadcast and their sound quality is perfect on day 1. Like Tyler said on SotG, for some of us terrible sound ruins the whole experience.
The bad framerate is what ruins it for me. I know its not a big deal for some, but to me its a deal breaker. I wanted to watch the free stream for a week and decide if I wanted to buy a HD pass or not.... so far I'm not sold. Am I supposed to spend my money and HOPE that the HD stream is that much better?
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Whitera has two gas (but not harvesting) and expanding. Sjow has bunker up and adding second rax.
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Sjow adding factory. Whitera with 3 gateway + robo.
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Is anyone watching this? This thread is really slow, even with WhiteRa and Koreans playing.
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Sjow marines, tanks + two bunkers. Whitera scouting him with an observer, taking his 3rd.
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On April 22 2011 10:38 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
What happened to Moman game?
Banelings happened to Moman lul.
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On April 22 2011 10:41 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Is anyone watching this? This thread is really slow, even with WhiteRa and Koreans playing.
Yes, we are watching this. Forum posts do not necessarily indicate viewership. In fact, I registered an account for commenting on NASL, so I would say that their mission is accomplished to some degree.
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On April 22 2011 10:41 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Is anyone watching this? This thread is really slow, even with WhiteRa and Koreans playing.
A little under 6800 on the stream.
It'll probably pick up more when the playoffs starts
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Sjow getting a raven. Whitera poking, kills high ground depot. Sjow getting 3rd.
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On April 22 2011 10:42 Deleuzebwo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:41 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Is anyone watching this? This thread is really slow, even with WhiteRa and Koreans playing. Yes, we are watching this. Forum posts do not necessarily indicate viewership. In fact, I registered an account for commenting on NASL, so I would say that their mission is accomplished to some degree.
TL's mission has also been accomplished! =D
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question, i have the HD pass, is there a way to sign in, becuase right now im not getting the HD stream..
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Sjow seems to be in a good position, but we'll see if he can keep up with Ra
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Whitera adding colossus, breaking debris for 4th. Banshes from Sjow harrasing.
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On April 22 2011 10:41 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Is anyone watching this? This thread is really slow, even with WhiteRa and Koreans playing.
Most people are watching the IGNPL. I have the NASL open but the horrible frame-rate means I pretty much never tab to it.
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Sjow vs White ra and Idra vs Fenix!!! I need another monitor = (
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Sjow trades a banshee for a pylon, pushes to tower and kills 4 stalkers.
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ugh idra fenix and wra sjow on at the same time t.t
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White ra Walking all over this
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On April 22 2011 10:43 Dcamp0308 wrote:
question, i have the HD pass, is there a way to sign in, becuase right now im not getting the HD stream..
Sign in @ justin.tv ? O_O!
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Sjow pushes into Whiteras army. Marines melt. That looks like it.
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On April 22 2011 10:43 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:42 Deleuzebwo wrote:On April 22 2011 10:41 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
Is anyone watching this? This thread is really slow, even with WhiteRa and Koreans playing. Yes, we are watching this. Forum posts do not necessarily indicate viewership. In fact, I registered an account for commenting on NASL, so I would say that their mission is accomplished to some degree. TL's mission has also been accomplished! =D
To be honest, I don't even play SC2 (yet) but the increase in content available keeps me entertained and thus makes me a constant fan (I don't even want to think about how much SC2 I've watched over the past few months  ) Thanks for what you have done to shift the "traditional" sports paradigm.
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I love White-ra, but im watching IPL. This framerate is complete garbage.
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A little under 6800 on the stream.
I hope people realize Idra alone gets 5-7k viewers when he streams ladder games for the hell of it.
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Whitera pulls back but 30 ahead in supply and taking 4th. Kept his colossus. Sjow suffered from not having his tanks sieged when he ran into Whitera's army. Had to retreat all the way back to his natural.
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On April 22 2011 10:46 Duravi wrote:I hope people realize Idra alone gets 5-7k viewers when he streams ladder games for the hell of it.
Why do you hope people realize this? Is it useful knowledge to have?
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Sjow does a nice drop and closes the supply gap again, but Whitera cleans it up with warp-ins. Sjow does a second drop that is super effective, snipping both of Whitera's forges.
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Ouch, great drop by Sjow, getting nervous for White-Ra.
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Stream is too laggy for me. Can't watch even at 360p
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Big 3rd drop from Sjow supported by vikings. Really drives Whitera back, kills two colosus, but loses the rest of his drop. Whitera takes another base, over at 9 o'clock. Whitera 25 supply ahead.
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On April 22 2011 10:47 Scribble wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:46 Duravi wrote:A little under 6800 on the stream. I hope people realize Idra alone gets 5-7k viewers when he streams ladder games for the hell of it.
Keep in mind the conflicts with IPL and SpazCraft
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Great position by Ra, forces GG
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Whitera has a great engagement. Blinks past bio to snipe tanks, colossus takes out bio. Sjow with the gg.
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On April 22 2011 10:47 Scribble wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:46 Duravi wrote:A little under 6800 on the stream. I hope people realize Idra alone gets 5-7k viewers when he streams ladder games for the hell of it. Why do you hope people realize this? Is it useful knowledge to have?
Because he's trying to belittle the NASL, why? I don't know
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I think I'm going to enjoy NASL better then IPL the games are just better as well as the casting
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This game will give me nightmares. TvP is my worst matchup
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Great game White-Ra, one more LETS GO!
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Great tactics by White-Ra! Taking game one!
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khaldor is fucking jacked
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I don't think Sjow ever really recovered from that big early lost when he stumbled into Whitera unsieged. He had some nice drops but it wasn't enough to overcome the economy and tech advantage from Whitera.
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Because he's trying to belittle the NASL, why? I don't know
Not really I'm one of those 6800ish now 7300ish viewers. I'm simply pointing out it is obviously not a sustainable number and nothing to get excited about, hopefully it will grow alot as we get later into the season and they adress sound and fps issues.
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On April 22 2011 10:51 sermokala wrote:
I think I'm going to enjoy NASL better then IPL the games are just better as well as the casting
I think I'm going to watch both. ^_^
NASL has the weekdays all to itself, while the weekends are fucking stacked with NASL, TSL and IPL all going on at the same time.
On April 22 2011 10:53 Duravi wrote:Not really I'm one of those 6800ish now 7300ish viewers. I'm simply pointing out it is obviously not a sustainable number and nothing to get excited about, hopefully it will grow alot as we get later into the season and they adress sound and fps issues.
Don't forget to add the 8-9k EU viewers for the daily rebroadcast.
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Crossfire. Whitera in the north, Sjow in the south.
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On April 22 2011 10:53 Duravi wrote:Not really I'm one of those 6800ish now 7300ish viewers. I'm simply pointing out it is obviously not a sustainable number and nothing to get excited about, hopefully it will grow alot as we get later into the season and they adress sound and fps issues.
Yes, but you have to remember that there is competition with IPL. This is not necessarily a bad thing - the scene is growing and there are multiple engaging events every night. Viewership will be split, but don't necessarily ascribe this to the faults of individual organizations.
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not sure if it's the acoustics of the studio, or the mic, or the compression/whatever it is they do during editing/production, but Gretorp sounds like he's a call-in viewer on a talk show.
White-RA FIGHTING!
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Crazy 12k ppl watching IGN and 7k watching this.
So many viewers!!!
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Sjow with 1 rax expand. Whitera on 1 assimilator.
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Whitera taking his expansion as well. Sends 1 zealot + 1 stalker, find 4 marines in a bunker.
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switching between whitera games and idra games from ign getting sorta confusing xD
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Sjow adds second rax and a factory. Whitera adds two more gateways.
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On April 22 2011 10:54 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:51 sermokala wrote:
I think I'm going to enjoy NASL better then IPL the games are just better as well as the casting I think I'm going to watch both. ^_^ NASL has the weekdays all to itself, while the weekends are fucking stacked with NASL, TSL and IPL all going on at the same time. Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:53 Duravi wrote:Because he's trying to belittle the NASL, why? I don't know Not really I'm one of those 6800ish now 7300ish viewers. I'm simply pointing out it is obviously not a sustainable number and nothing to get excited about, hopefully it will grow alot as we get later into the season and they adress sound and fps issues. Don't forget to add the 8-9k EU viewers for the daily rebroadcast.
lol this is true TSL will rein over all however I wouldn't watch anything else
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Honestly, I'm tired of colossus play. I want to see templar much more.
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Sjow adding starport, Whitera adding robo.
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Looks like the same build from both. Sjow adding Raven, Whitera starting with two observers and now colossus + thermal lance. Sjow poking out.
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On April 22 2011 10:58 Deleuzebwo wrote:
Honestly, I'm tired of colossus play. I want to see templar much more.
With the change to the amulet I don't see the play being used as much for a little while.
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Man i cant even watch the NASL anymore, the sound quality and editing, and framerate are just awful.
Especially now that the IPL is on at the same time, if yoou havent checked out the IPL yet id highly suggest it, i payed for the NASL so i really should be watching it but the low framerates bad casters and terrible editing and sound quality all contribute to its downfall, right now IPL has almost double the viewers and they totally deserve it. It is way way higher production far better casters (even if im not a fan of TB hes still better then gretorp) pretty much IPL is superior in everyway, although the quality of some of the players may not be quite as high, id say defenetly NASL has worse players and better players, so it defenetly evens out. Very happy with IPL so far, support them they are working really hard and are providing a product worth your attention trust me!
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what the hell kind of engagement was that?? just ran straight into a seige line with a concave waiting..
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yikes not good there whitera ):
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Honestly, I'm tired of colossus play. I want to see templar much more.
Watch Slayers_Alicia's matches from GSL yesterday/earlier today
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Sjow gets sieged this time, destroys Whitera's army. Terrible position from Whitera. The mirror image of last match, with Sjow sieging whitera's natural and adding bunkers.
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It's just a different kind of special tactics.
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Yeah what is with the quality today...
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On April 22 2011 11:01 crono1224 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:58 Deleuzebwo wrote:
Honestly, I'm tired of colossus play. I want to see templar much more. With the change to the amulet I don't see the play being used as much for a little while.
Yeah, this is likely true, but is a bit of a shame. There's just something about templars that bring me back to BW and really get the blood flowing...
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Sjow taking his gold. Whiteraw getting a warp prism while losing his natural.
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That was the worst engagement you will ever see. Second before thermal lance is done with his army clumped on a ramp with zealots in the back against seige tanks.
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This is so choppy! I was looking forward to watching White-Ra a lot, but this is nearly unwatchable. I never have this problem with other streams.
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On April 22 2011 10:55 Spectorials wrote:
Crazy 12k ppl watching IGN and 7k watching this.
So many viewers!!!
IPL sitting pretty at 13k viewers now, it deserves it though the quality is much higher :D
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Looking bad for White-Ra ;( Cmon White-Ra you can do it!!!
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Whitera getting a huge warp in from a forward pylon. Has a bunch of stalkers + colossus in Sjow's main.
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Who is this caster who is hardcore bming white-ra?
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Wow Colossus drop! New special tactics!
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With the change to the amulet I don't see the play being used as much for a little while.
Like I told the other guy templar tech was used to great effect in GSL code S less than 24 hours ago.
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damn....500/200 down in that prism lol
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On April 22 2011 11:03 Funkatron wrote:
This is so choppy! I was looking forward to watching White-Ra a lot, but this is nearly unwatchable. I never have this problem with other streams.
check out IPL , no lag perfect sound, really nice production value fenix vs idra right now.
IPL deserves your support its the first day and no problems so far with production they know what they are doing!
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Haha very entertaining game so far!
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One siege tank in Sjow's main helps him hold. Whitera does damage but loses everything. Sjow 40 food + two bases ahead.
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White-Ra had a good strike against the terran, counting on Sjow's lack of mobility, but it was cleaned up and Ra is in a bad position.
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I don't get it.... Khaldor makes a lot of money off of starcraft..... yet has a microphone worse than my 35 dollar headset. Need to get a prominent caster on here to make things interesting.
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is khaldor casting the whole day?
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AHAHAHAHA white-ra, fkn awesome try
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and that's why i don't put my collosus in that tiny ship ):
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IGN vods are free, so it might be wiser to watch NASL right now if you aren't a subscriber.
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gg. series is tied up.
both players are so kind, making a gift to each other in the first encounters in each game. will the kindness continue into the 3rd?
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Aww man would've loved White-Ra to win taht one...
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Man, that last attack with the warp prism Colossus was beautiful, too bad his first mistake put him too far behind.
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Awesome counter attack, but not enough after that horrible blunder. Should of just FF'd the army to delay.
And how does a colossi fit inside a warp prism?
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I really like Khaldor's casting ^^
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Great effort by White-Ra, now onto game three!
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These games are lame unlike boxers epic nuke
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Dang it. i really wanna watch this game...
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On April 22 2011 11:05 JediGamer wrote:
I don't get it.... Khaldor makes a lot of money off of starcraft..... yet has a microphone worse than my 35 dollar headset. Need to get a prominent caster on here to make things interesting.
Its more than likely the post production, its the same reason gretorp and INC sound so terrible.
Ive heard khaldor cast in other online tournaments it never sounds this bad. They just dont know how to encode sound properly im pretty sure.
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On April 22 2011 11:04 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:03 Funkatron wrote:
This is so choppy! I was looking forward to watching White-Ra a lot, but this is nearly unwatchable. I never have this problem with other streams. check out IPL , no lag perfect sound, really nice production value fenix vs idra right now. IPL deserves your support its the first day and no problems so far with production they know what they are doing!
ya im goin over to IGN as well, the lag on NASL is too bad, have the set up a way to get refunds yet?
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Seriously, how is it that I'm constantly assaulted by Olive Garden ads. I know that you are not a good restaurant! I see right through you! At least give me something technology based, so I can enjoy my commodity fetishism.
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On April 22 2011 11:05 AndAgain wrote:
IGN vods are free, so it might be wiser to watch NASL right now if you aren't a subscriber.
I think thats what will end up happening. Or more people will buy HD/VOD passes for NASL. It's IPL's first night, people are checking it out and its going great. But in the end I think the bigger names and free hd vods for IPL will have more people watch NASL live.
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jesus christ - we get it - there's another tournament going on right now. Can we please keep the talk at least somewhat about the games? I hate reading this shit about the current "viewer race" or why one is better than the other, when I'm trying to keep up with the LR..
OT: After watching this Olive Garden ad for the 50th time (not a problem), and having it auto-mute my stream (problem), I'm hoping for some White Ra Special Tic-Tacs.
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To be fair to white-ra he didnt practise for this match since he is taking a break from practise abit. And the same evening he played this series he was streaming for 8k viewers and came back after this series hehe what a baller!!
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On April 22 2011 11:03 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 10:55 Spectorials wrote:
Crazy 12k ppl watching IGN and 7k watching this.
So many viewers!!! IPL sitting pretty at 13k viewers now, it deserves it though the quality is much higher :D
if esports is to succeed, those numbers have to be WAY higher. That's nothing for a normal sport. A regular football match of any of the top three leagues (no derbies or special matches) attracts around 800k to 900k people from all over the globe and much more when top teams play and whatnot. Not saying esports should aim for those numbers but 100k viewers is a min. all organizations and leagues combined should attract. Also, not clashing schedules should be made a priority by all those interested in making NA esports grow. More viewers per all leagues, makes for happier sponsors.
Anyway, sick game two by Sjow!
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On April 22 2011 11:08 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:05 JediGamer wrote:
I don't get it.... Khaldor makes a lot of money off of starcraft..... yet has a microphone worse than my 35 dollar headset. Need to get a prominent caster on here to make things interesting. Its more than likely the post production, its the same reason gretorp and INC sound so terrible. Ive heard khaldor cast in other online tournaments it never sounds this bad. They just dont know how to encode sound properly im pretty sure.
Yeah they definitely don't know what they are doing what a shame
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I was actually commenting that its fantastic that there are so many viewers between the two comps!!!
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White ra knows sjow is going 1 rax expand he should just 4 gate... Even if he doesnt kill him it will be cost effecient when he grabs his own expo
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On April 22 2011 11:10 Spectorials wrote:
I was actually commenting that its fantastic that there are so many viewers between the two comps!!!
Yes, this is the attitude to take. Again, let's not focus on the competition between the two, but the fact that both excellent tournys exist and they are both drawing fanbases.
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Why does there have to be competition. @_@ Just enjoy the fact that there are so many people who are supporting Starcraft 2 and giving players reasons to practice and play at high levels!
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I hate cross and backwater T.T
Is the biomech style in TvP common in euro terrans?
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Yo NASL ima let you finish but IGN pro league has much better production value!~
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lol for people comparing the two tournies:
ipl - totalbiscuit reaching out to newcomers to "ignore the jargon" and "focus on the action"
nasl - gretorp calling sjow's tvp build order/map strategy exactly as it happens based on past matches
the production value may be higher, ipl may have nice overlays and pretty pre-match versus screens, but im gonna give nasl the edge in content value
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The stream absolutely awful quality for anyone else? cant read names, so blurry, stuttering. Usually I dont have problems and ign stream seems fine. Anyone else having a tough time with this?
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On April 22 2011 11:12 Xeris wrote:
Why does there have to be competition. @_@ Just enjoy the fact that there are so many people who are supporting Starcraft 2 and giving players reasons to practice and play at high levels!
2 tournaments, on at the same time, of course there is competition, and the newcomer is doubling the viewers of the one that has been around for a week with a bigger prize pool? defenetly something NASL should be worried about.
IPL deserves it though, its just better.
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Ra expanding across the map, harassing with great results
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On April 22 2011 11:09 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:03 Executor1 wrote:On April 22 2011 10:55 Spectorials wrote:
Crazy 12k ppl watching IGN and 7k watching this.
So many viewers!!! IPL sitting pretty at 13k viewers now, it deserves it though the quality is much higher :D if esports is to succeed, those numbers have to be WAY higher. That's nothing for a normal sport. A regular football match of any of the top three leagues (no derbies or special matches) attracts around 800k to 900k people from all over the globe and much more when top teams play and whatnot. Not saying esports should aim for those numbers but 100k viewers is a min. all organizations and leagues combined should attract. Also, not clashing schedules should be made a priority by all those interested in making NA esports grow. More viewers per all leagues, makes for happier sponsors. Anyway, sick game two by Sjow!
A normal sport? Like curling, or all the other hundreds of sports that are televised daily with fewer viewers than a regular season (first season also) NASL match?
It does not need 100K viewers to succeed at all. You sort of pulled that number out of where? There are other sports that would kill to have the live audience of SC2 right now, and they have been around since forever.
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oww I really like this Khaldor guy casting.
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..this is a LR thread, not a comparison thread.
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people wouldn't be making all the comparisons if nasl didn't have the sound quality and framerate of a 1997 webcam broadcast.
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On April 22 2011 11:15 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:12 Xeris wrote:
Why does there have to be competition. @_@ Just enjoy the fact that there are so many people who are supporting Starcraft 2 and giving players reasons to practice and play at high levels! 2 tournaments, on at the same time, of course there is competition, and the newcomer is doubling the viewers of the one that has been around for a week with a bigger prize pool? defenetly something NASL should be worried about. IPL deserves it though, its just better.
Its opening day so people want to see what thats all about. If I remember right, NASL opening day had way more viewers than what the IPL has. If either should be worried it should be the IPL to keep the tournament results hidden.
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On April 22 2011 11:15 Darpa wrote:
The stream absolutely awful quality for anyone else? cant read names, so blurry, stuttering. Usually I dont have problems and ign stream seems fine. Anyone else having a tough time with this?
Not for me. Running at 480 perfectly
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On April 22 2011 11:15 Darpa wrote:
The stream absolutely awful quality for anyone else? cant read names, so blurry, stuttering. Usually I dont have problems and ign stream seems fine. Anyone else having a tough time with this?
Change it to 480p resolution on the bottom of the vod. It really helps.
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numbers for the streams going up steady looks like we're going to have a good old west competition between NASL and IPL
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I don't get why people don't use a scan to kill an observer when the other players is going hardcore colli.
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On April 22 2011 11:15 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:09 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:On April 22 2011 11:03 Executor1 wrote:On April 22 2011 10:55 Spectorials wrote:
Crazy 12k ppl watching IGN and 7k watching this.
So many viewers!!! IPL sitting pretty at 13k viewers now, it deserves it though the quality is much higher :D if esports is to succeed, those numbers have to be WAY higher. That's nothing for a normal sport. A regular football match of any of the top three leagues (no derbies or special matches) attracts around 800k to 900k people from all over the globe and much more when top teams play and whatnot. Not saying esports should aim for those numbers but 100k viewers is a min. all organizations and leagues combined should attract. Also, not clashing schedules should be made a priority by all those interested in making NA esports grow. More viewers per all leagues, makes for happier sponsors. Anyway, sick game two by Sjow! A normal sport? Like curling, or all the other hundreds of sports that are televised daily with fewer viewers than a regular season (first season also) NASL match? It does not need 100K viewers to succeed at all. You sort of pulled that number out of where? There are other sports that would kill to have the live audience of SC2 right now, and they have been around since forever.
Yeah, this is right. Esports should not be compared to traditional forms - it is a new frontier for a cutting edge audience. I'd say that the various leagues are doing just fine, and viewerships can only increase.
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C'mon White-Ra! A little more! Special tactics ftw!
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Looks like White-Ra knew exactly what Sjow was up to.
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On April 22 2011 11:15 Flytothesky wrote:
oww I really like this Khaldor guy casting. Yeah I watch him even when he's casting in German even though I don't speak it. You can make out enough of what he's saying. Amazing caster.
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White-Ra playing so well right now, just poking Sjow down and getting further ahead.
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On April 22 2011 11:15 Darpa wrote:
The stream absolutely awful quality for anyone else? cant read names, so blurry, stuttering. Usually I dont have problems and ign stream seems fine. Anyone else having a tough time with this?
bottem right corner I belive is what your looking for. It starts at the lowest stream quality while IPL starts at the highest odd I know but its perfectly fine if you can change it like justin.tv does
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On April 22 2011 11:17 Zim23 wrote:
Looks like White-Ra knew exactly what Sjow was up to.
maybe cause sjow did the exact same build every game
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On April 22 2011 11:14 tones wrote:
lol for people comparing the two tournies:
ipl - totalbiscuit reaching out to newcomers to "ignore the jargon" and "focus on the action"
nasl - gretorp calling sjow's tvp build order/map strategy exactly based on past matches
the production value may be higher, ipl may have nice overlays and pretty pre-match versus screens, but im gonna give nasl the edge in content value
Meh gretorp is a terrible caster, so is total biscuit but hes not casting anymore, and ill take DJWheat anyday over Gretorp, Like a baus! and at least the sound quality and the video are actually decent, im a subscriber for NASL and i cant stand the terrible sound or the video running at 15 fps it literally gives me a huge headache =*( i want to like the NASL but the value isnt there even though ive already payed for it.
1080p still sucks if it runs at 15 fps BTW, and no its not dependant on the user and their computer, its like that for everyone and its a problem with their encoding, if you didnt notice it , its because your not very experienced with video quality. Because it is running defenetly at less than 24 fps (framerate for television and generally considered the lowest for smooth framerates)
I woudlnt call that value, id call that terrible production
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On April 22 2011 11:18 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:15 Darpa wrote:
The stream absolutely awful quality for anyone else? cant read names, so blurry, stuttering. Usually I dont have problems and ign stream seems fine. Anyone else having a tough time with this? bottem right corner I belive is what your looking for. It starts at the lowest stream quality while IPL starts at the highest odd I know but its perfectly fine if you can change it like justin.tv does
perfect thanks!
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The main thing putting me off of watching NASL is the audio quality.
I feel like the first 2 days it wasn't this bad (the audio quality was still noticably subpar though), but now it seems kind of just awful--like the casters are talking into laptop mics over Skype. The levels are off too, and the lack of SC2 music makes the audio feel a little empty, but the main problem is that there's more white-noise and static than there is actual voice. The audio just doesn't seem professional.
If the audio was crisp I'd have almost no qualms with NASL and I'd watch it every evening. Is it the mics or the post-production that is making the audio poor? It's very off-putting.
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Colossi go down, but blink finishes and Ra is in great position.
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Great blinks to snipe tanks! Taking Sjow down 2-1! Good work White-Ra and an interview!
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Awww yeah White-Ra interview.
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Man oh man. NASL, IPL, Spazcraft, Sen and Spanishiwa streams, and now Day9 coming on?? Craaaaaaazy...
For all its faults, the NASL really did do a great job getting a fantastic diversity of players. With the frequency of play, the chances for a great game daily are pretty high. Hoping July has a good day!
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whitera interview!!
triple streaming fuck yeah
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Whitera making up for the earlier W.O.
Nice victory. Whitera on the phone... so hard to understand. MC is easier.
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Not that I think these leagues need 100k viewers to succeed but I don't think it is as unrealistic a number as some of you may perceive. WIth stream+vod+televised viewers combined I am sure GSL is over 100k viewers per match on average, and with stream+vods TSL may be over as well.
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See that?
That's called macro.
That's something a significant number of KR protoss' can't do all that well.
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GG Good job White-Ra, nice to finally see him play in NASL. Man gotta switch between IPL and this ><
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Bah, just tuning in. Every single walkover has been against someone on my fantasy NASL team :-(
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Who won the Darkforce/Moman series? The OP isn't fully updated.
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Well, nobody can deny the amazing production values of the IPL, and I'm liking both of the thus far, but no amount of fancy images and smooth frame rate can give you the games that NASL is giving out today, those come with big names like White-Ra and Sjow, not CatZ and Agh. Even fenix vs IdrA was so bad
Oh SjoW why no siege sooner T_T
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White-Ra is just awesome! Funny interview! Dat Accent :D
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Whoa awesome, White-ra interview!!
On April 22 2011 11:22 On_Slaught wrote:
Who won the Darkforce/Moman series? The OP isn't fully updated.
Darkforce 2-1 (Moman won the first game)
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Annnnd Ra references special tactics. The fanboys' lives are complete.
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ohohoh we are going to see special tactics next time!!!!! well, it is what he said right?
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White-ra series is really really great, I can't even bother to watch the IGN league because if I blink or leave the room they are already on the next series. The production of IGN is amazing, but it is happening too fast, NASL is great about pacing, exposition and transitions between games.
Why is Agh in the IGN league, and not Tyler?
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I'm watching both IGN and NASL right now.....and really, I hate to say it because I know NASL is really doing their best, but wow, IGN is really stealing the show right now. The production values are AMAZING compared to NASL. i will continue to support NASL, and really hope it succeeds, but......well, learn from your betters......and right now IGN looks WAY better.
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LOOL Special Tackticks, <3 Whitera
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a white-ra interview makes any tournament 1000 times better
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hahahaha i love white ra!:D
ehh thanks for game and next time i try to show some special tactic! :DDDDD
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HAHAHA white-ra so funny!!!!!!!!!! he referenced special tactics... i think he now knows that the whole world knows abt it!!! anyway, GOGO INC!!!!
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Take Cruncher down iNcontroL!
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On April 22 2011 11:19 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:14 tones wrote:
lol for people comparing the two tournies:
ipl - totalbiscuit reaching out to newcomers to "ignore the jargon" and "focus on the action"
nasl - gretorp calling sjow's tvp build order/map strategy exactly based on past matches
the production value may be higher, ipl may have nice overlays and pretty pre-match versus screens, but im gonna give nasl the edge in content value Meh gretorp is a terrible caster, so is total biscuit but hes not casting anymore, and ill take DJWheat anyday over Gretorp, Like a baus! and at least the sound quality and the video are actually decent, im a subscriber for NASL and i cant stand the terrible sound or the video running at 15 fps it literally gives me a huge headache =*( i want to like the NASL but the value isnt there even though ive already payed for it. 1080p still sucks if it runs at 15 fps BTW, and no its not dependant on the user and their computer, its like that for everyone and its a problem with their encoding, if you didnt notice it , its because your not very experienced with video quality. Because it is running defenetly at less than 24 fps (framerate for television and generally considered the lowest for smooth framerates) I woudlnt call that value, id call that terrible production
thanks finally someone who understands the low fps of the nasl stream. in nasl i get 20 fps on any quality, even 240p. in ipl i get 60+ fps on 1080p.....i love nasl but their production hurts my eyes as the stream has low fps. nasl....fix this and i will pay again...
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YEs, the game I was waiting for! Go iNcontrol!
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Special tactiks? Mothership Vortex and Psi Storm. Do it.
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Totally sick games. White-ra always impresses! Super pumped to see Incontrol PvP though.
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Oh, and I hope to god that Incontrol rapes the no talent Cruncher. My liquibet depends on it!
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whitera's interview was amazing. gotta love the way hes onto the special tectics
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if incontrol doesn't take out cruncher i will be very, very angry. gooo incontrol!!
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Ugh, again mirror matchup. Hopefully this turns out in an interesting fashion.
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iNcontroL SMASH!!! Show Cruncher who's boss.
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Got the super-heavyweight bout right now! This is probably the 2 biggest gamers, physically, in the top tier (No, that wasn't meant as a "iNc is fat" comment) Go iNc!
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Sorry Khaldor - PvP is not that interesting.
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No one gets to watch it anyway. Guess we just check spoilers in 20 mins.
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On April 22 2011 11:23 Sm3agol wrote:
I'm watching both IGN and NASL right now.....and really, I hate to say it because I know NASL is really doing their best, but wow, IGN is really stealing the show right now. The production values are AMAZING compared to NASL. i will continue to support NASL, and really hope it succeeds, but......well, learn from your betters......and right now IGN looks WAY better.
What are you talking about? The NASL transitions really quickly between games.
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On April 22 2011 11:21 LwReisen wrote:
See that?
That's called macro.
That's something a significant number of KR protoss' can't do all that well.
MC can macro pretty well, so can San, anypro, etc. I bet KR protosses can macro if they want. Stop generalizing.
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Justin.tv just randomly stops loading for me sometimes and i get a black screen
like now...
wtf :/
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Incontrol proxy pylons, but Cruncher staves it off
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Hahaha nooo why cancel all 3 pylons!
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Trying to wall off...that was pretty cool. It's too bad it didn't work =(.
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On April 22 2011 11:29 Spectorials wrote:
Justin.tv just randomly stops loading for me sometimes and i get a black screen
like now...
wtf :/
same. thank god its just a pvp now, i dont mind missing that. 
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I have one piece of advice for the NASL.... quality over quantity. I love and appreciate the things your staff is doing but I can't help but say that the IGN is really showing you up right niw
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On April 22 2011 11:28 Rokk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:23 Sm3agol wrote:
I'm watching both IGN and NASL right now.....and really, I hate to say it because I know NASL is really doing their best, but wow, IGN is really stealing the show right now. The production values are AMAZING compared to NASL. i will continue to support NASL, and really hope it succeeds, but......well, learn from your betters......and right now IGN looks WAY better. What are you talking about? The NASL transitions really quickly between games.
When IPL starts adding commercials, people won't be happy. I would honestly hope as well that the IPL would have higher production values. As they have had plenty of time to work on their tournament thats already over. NASL possibly bit off more than they could chew with their setup with mass amounts of games. They will catch up in production value, and when they do it will be incredibly tough to beat.
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even the IGN one is fucked
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anyone from europe having problems? can't get in the stream
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GOOOOOOOOOOOO INCONTROLLLLL
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On April 22 2011 11:29 Spectorials wrote:
Justin.tv just randomly stops loading for me sometimes and i get a black screen
like now...
wtf :/
Yep, justin.tv is not loading at all for me right now. (Screwing over EU everything outside of NA again I assume)
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How come there is only 18 pages after 2 best of 3s? Usually there is like 40 for one...
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On April 22 2011 11:29 Spectorials wrote:
Justin.tv just randomly stops loading for me sometimes and i get a black screen
like now...
wtf :/
Yeh happened to me just before that last whitera-sjow fight happened :l
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Great micro by Cruncher, but Incontrol has numbers. Cruncher comes out strong.
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On April 22 2011 11:31 Corrik wrote:
How come there is only 18 pages after 2 best of 3s? Usually there is like 40 for one...
No controversy + a lot of people have moved to IGN Proleague stream.
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On April 22 2011 11:30 00Visor wrote:
anyone from europe having problems? can't get in the stream
yea justintv seem to have some problems atm, but only in EU :/
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stream only works in iphone qual for me :/ oh well
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How do you mess that up? does incontrol not play with healthbars?
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On April 22 2011 11:33 Deathmanbob wrote:
How do you mess that up? does incontrol not play with healthbars?
90% sure he doesn't.
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On April 22 2011 11:31 Corrik wrote:
How come there is only 18 pages after 2 best of 3s? Usually there is like 40 for one...
First night of IPL proleague and people want to check it out. It'll even out. People will generally watch whatever is the best match up on at the time, as long as the quality is passable.
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yeps everyone from EU got black screen of dead im just thankfull i got to see white-ra before JusticTV fucked it up
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On April 22 2011 11:31 Corrik wrote:
How come there is only 18 pages after 2 best of 3s? Usually there is like 40 for one...
its IPL's premeire night and its got a shitton of gloss on it compared to this.
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This doesn't look good for Inctronl
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INcontrol ggs. Good moves by Cruncher.
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On April 22 2011 11:30 00Visor wrote:
anyone from europe having problems? can't get in the stream
Can't get the stream to work either
I was able to watch roughly 5 secs of lowest quality before I got a black screen and now it doesn't work at all.
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Ahhh, thanks. Gotta check out IPL also.
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GOGO Cruncher! I want him to win after the crap they talked about him in SOTG.
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cruncher gets a colossi out and keeps it alive for a gg
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is there an alternative link for us EU people btw?
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Incontrol lost an intense game to cruncher, I think he will be shunned by idra for this. =/
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I think EU can watch on low qual.. Set it to 240p and pop out the video
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Nooo come on iNcontroL. Win this series!
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Ugh comeon incontrol u got this. Don't become the next SOTG member to lose to cruncher!
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Much better this week how Gretorp doesn't just have an empty seat at the side of him and we get to see Khaldor . NASL are clearly listening to feedback, people should lay off them a bit.
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On April 22 2011 11:35 dangerjoe wrote:
I think EU can watch on low qual.. Set it to 240p and pop out the video
Tryed that dont work for me either
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Idra will enjoy watching Cruncher disappear... But he's not disappearing yet.
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Haha, IdrA's gonna verbally abuse Inc for this..."Wow Geoff, you can't even beat him as Protoss" haha
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On April 22 2011 11:28 Rokk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:23 Sm3agol wrote:
I'm watching both IGN and NASL right now.....and really, I hate to say it because I know NASL is really doing their best, but wow, IGN is really stealing the show right now. The production values are AMAZING compared to NASL. i will continue to support NASL, and really hope it succeeds, but......well, learn from your betters......and right now IGN looks WAY better. What are you talking about? The NASL transitions really quickly between games.
No, the introduced commercial breaks between series and they have recaps after the game. IGN isn't doing any of that. So I don't know what you're talking about.
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horrible unit control by incontrol, 1 unit control group for everything which pulled his zealots back a couple of times when he only wanted to pull stalkers out, and also did not target fire the weakened stalkers and instead just focus fired on whichever was closest.
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On April 22 2011 11:34 AndAgain wrote:
GOGO Cruncher! I want him to win after the crap they talked about him in SOTG.
All they said is he played boring, well other than Idra, but he doesn't count.
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I have to say, as a SC2 outsider I want to see much more metagame fuddling. Fake some builds folks!
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Its just lame:
I can watch IGN with JTV but not NASL anymore.
Wtf.
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When IPL starts adding commercials, people won't be happy. I would honestly hope as well that the IPL would have higher production values. As they have had plenty of time to work on their tournament thats already over. NASL possibly bit off more than they could chew with their setup with mass amounts of games. They will catch up in production value, and when they do it will be incredibly tough to beat.
Are you on NASL's payroll or something lol? I mean I want them to succeed, I want esports to succeed in general, but everything we have been shown as evidence so far from IPL and NASL points to the total opposite of what you are saying. You are assuming IPL, who obviously has a competent editing and production staff, is going to get worse well at the same time NASL who clearly has at this point inferior editing/production staff will grow? If anything they will both get better but the better staff will faster.
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On April 22 2011 11:36 Jampackedeon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:28 Rokk wrote:On April 22 2011 11:23 Sm3agol wrote:
I'm watching both IGN and NASL right now.....and really, I hate to say it because I know NASL is really doing their best, but wow, IGN is really stealing the show right now. The production values are AMAZING compared to NASL. i will continue to support NASL, and really hope it succeeds, but......well, learn from your betters......and right now IGN looks WAY better. What are you talking about? The NASL transitions really quickly between games. No, the introduced commercial breaks between series and they have recaps after the game. IGN isn't doing any of that. So I don't know what you're talking about.
IGN is commercial free only for the first two days.
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Yeah andy, I can't understand why incontrol's stalkers stood still during every engagement as cruncher targeted down week ones. There's no reason to do that.
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On April 22 2011 11:30 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:28 Rokk wrote:On April 22 2011 11:23 Sm3agol wrote:
I'm watching both IGN and NASL right now.....and really, I hate to say it because I know NASL is really doing their best, but wow, IGN is really stealing the show right now. The production values are AMAZING compared to NASL. i will continue to support NASL, and really hope it succeeds, but......well, learn from your betters......and right now IGN looks WAY better. What are you talking about? The NASL transitions really quickly between games. When IPL starts adding commercials, people won't be happy. I would honestly hope as well that the IPL would have higher production values. As they have had plenty of time to work on their tournament thats already over. NASL possibly bit off more than they could chew with their setup with mass amounts of games. They will catch up in production value, and when they do it will be incredibly tough to beat.
haha I was wondering what you were talking about for several minutes before I realized I quoted the wrong post. That's what I get for trying to say something while half asleep.
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On April 22 2011 11:34 AndAgain wrote:
GOGO Cruncher! I want him to win after the crap they talked about him in SOTG.
Even if he wins they will talk trash about him again
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it really seemed like incontrol didn't move his units at all gogo incontrol game 2!
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On April 22 2011 11:36 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:34 AndAgain wrote:
GOGO Cruncher! I want him to win after the crap they talked about him in SOTG. All they said is he played boring, well other than Idra, but he doesn't count.
They also underestimate how good he is, imo. I hope Geoff finds out.
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Have I adequately expressed my distaste for these Olive Garden commercials I am always served? If not, it is suburban blight.
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Gretorp predicting each to 4 gate, safe bet!
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On April 22 2011 11:37 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:36 Jampackedeon wrote:On April 22 2011 11:28 Rokk wrote:On April 22 2011 11:23 Sm3agol wrote:
I'm watching both IGN and NASL right now.....and really, I hate to say it because I know NASL is really doing their best, but wow, IGN is really stealing the show right now. The production values are AMAZING compared to NASL. i will continue to support NASL, and really hope it succeeds, but......well, learn from your betters......and right now IGN looks WAY better. What are you talking about? The NASL transitions really quickly between games. No, the introduced commercial breaks between series and they have recaps after the game. IGN isn't doing any of that. So I don't know what you're talking about. IGN is commercial free only for the first two days.
Sorry, I meant restroom/snack breaks. I paid the 25 bucks and don't see commercials so I don't have any experience with that.
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gogog incontrol!!! rooting for you!
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On April 22 2011 11:38 Irave wrote:
Gretorp predicting each to 4 gate, safe bet!
hahaha indeed
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inc going defensive 4 gate cruncher going full 4 gate
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ramp battles inc seems to take the best of the skirmish
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Inc does a good job holding off some early aggression. Now in the lead - let's see what he can do.
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incontrol you got this :D
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mmm cruncher in trouble now
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Crap black screen again who winning ?
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Good FF from IncontroL, i'm not exaggerating when saying killingthose two stalkers can be the game winner. PvP is just that volatile.
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Still can't get the stream up. And then, anything above 480p would be lagging.
IGN is running at 1080p perfectly.
Both on justin.tv, IGN more viewers, what`s up with this?
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inc going colossi cruncher going stargate
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Oh man, please scout that hidden expansion.
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We've got some stargate play here - which I'm really not too enthusiastic about PvP (due to the amount of stalkers generally out). Cruncher takes a gold. Ballsy.
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On April 22 2011 11:44 00Visor wrote:
Still can't get the stream up. And then, anything above 480p would be lagging.
IGN is running at 1080p perfectly.
Both on justin.tv, IGN more viewers, what`s up with this?
IPL's first night more people looking at the gloss. when july gets on the stream it should go hard to NASL
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On April 22 2011 11:37 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 22 2011 11:34 AndAgain wrote:
GOGO Cruncher! I want him to win after the crap they talked about him in SOTG. All they said is he played boring, well other than Idra, but he doesn't count. They also underestimate how good he is, imo. I hope Geoff finds out.
Don't wanna be rude here but neither is he talented nor are his builds well thought-out... he's nothing but a good copycat who spent a lot of practice time at the right time.
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IPL production quality is freaking amazing.
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This is really intelligent from Cruncher actually. I doubt IncontroL is gonna scout this for awhile.
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On April 22 2011 11:45 Corrik wrote:
IPL production quality is freaking amazing.
Wrong thread
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On April 22 2011 11:37 Scrandom wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:34 AndAgain wrote:
GOGO Cruncher! I want him to win after the crap they talked about him in SOTG. Even if he wins they will talk trash about him again
They didn't talk ANY trash about Cruncher, what the hell are you talking about? They said he was an up and coming player doing well in the TSL, and just said that they didn't like his style. They did NOT criticize his skill level.
I seriously wonder what some of you people are thinking when the SotG guys say he's an up and coming player doing really well, and you take that as an insult to Cruncher. Reeks of insecurity to me.
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I gotta admit, this game is making a Cruncher fan
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On April 22 2011 11:45 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:44 00Visor wrote:
Still can't get the stream up. And then, anything above 480p would be lagging.
IGN is running at 1080p perfectly.
Both on justin.tv, IGN more viewers, what`s up with this? IPL's first night more people looking at the gloss. when july gets on the stream it should go hard to NASL
Apparently I'm not concerned about viewer numbers, but stream quality.
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On April 22 2011 11:46 Stijn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:45 Corrik wrote:
IPL production quality is freaking amazing. Wrong thread
I'm sure we are all in both. = /
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iNc has to be confused right now..surely he'll figure out the ninja expo soon..
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cruncher leveraging the phenoix harass to secure his gold expo with minimal units
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If iNcontroL doesn't scout that base soon, he is going to lose the little of a lead that he has now.
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Come on InControl...please...attack.
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great job from Cruncher using phoenix for map control to take attention from his sneaky gold expo.
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chruncher going for a third and blink
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It is always amazing when pro players forget to do the simplest things when they are ahead.
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man cruncher really favoring stargate play even in pvp. that's pretty cool. that being said i hope incontrol crushes him still :D
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Srsly, iam in germany and we got 4:49 am.
And i wanted to watch this but jtv says no.
All this isnt the best PR for NASL ...
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On April 22 2011 11:45 TazzDingo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:37 AndAgain wrote:On April 22 2011 11:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 22 2011 11:34 AndAgain wrote:
GOGO Cruncher! I want him to win after the crap they talked about him in SOTG. All they said is he played boring, well other than Idra, but he doesn't count. They also underestimate how good he is, imo. I hope Geoff finds out. Don't wanna be rude here but neither is he talented nor are his builds well thought-out... he's nothing but a good copycat who spent a lot of practice time at the right time.
This game he's playing right now just proved you wrong.
Cruncher is a good player, and will only get better. Hell, all this hate he's getting probably gives him that extra bit of motivation over his opponents.
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wow, well played from geoff
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incs zealots are trapped behind his units huge lift by the phenoix's but chruncher can't do any dammage to them and gg's
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On April 22 2011 11:45 TazzDingo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:37 AndAgain wrote:On April 22 2011 11:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 22 2011 11:34 AndAgain wrote:
GOGO Cruncher! I want him to win after the crap they talked about him in SOTG. All they said is he played boring, well other than Idra, but he doesn't count. They also underestimate how good he is, imo. I hope Geoff finds out. Don't wanna be rude here but neither is he talented nor are his builds well thought-out... he's nothing but a good copycat who spent a lot of practice time at the right time.
Just like a majority of progamers, right? A lot of people use the forge FE and 1 rax expand and 14 hatch, etc, etc. Do you want to call those people copycats too?
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Yes! Go go iNcontroL tying up the series 1-1!
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wow brilliant play by Incontrol. Kinda got scared there for a bit.
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Pheonix sucks vs armored stuff. Shoulda just went with VR mass.
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uhh man, that was nerve wracking to watch. gj, inc!
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Cruncher showed nice trickiness but then showed incredibly bad micro. InControl Slapped him up.
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Oh man, I thought InC was finished. CrunCher had the much better concave.
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even armies engage outside Cruncher's natural, but Incontrol has the better unit mix and does a good job getting the position set up. Cruncher fails to focus the Colossus until way too late. One sided fight means gg. Series tied up.
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third time the stream has locked up on me tonight during a large battle... really frustrating.
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i hate quoting day9 but that whole just go fucking kill him thing is a good way to describe this game
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WTF i would expect a better micro for an ex pro warcraft player but didn't see it
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On April 22 2011 11:50 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:45 TazzDingo wrote:On April 22 2011 11:37 AndAgain wrote:On April 22 2011 11:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 22 2011 11:34 AndAgain wrote:
GOGO Cruncher! I want him to win after the crap they talked about him in SOTG. All they said is he played boring, well other than Idra, but he doesn't count. They also underestimate how good he is, imo. I hope Geoff finds out. Don't wanna be rude here but neither is he talented nor are his builds well thought-out... he's nothing but a good copycat who spent a lot of practice time at the right time. Just like a majority of progamers, right? A lot of people use the forge FE and 1 rax expand and 14 hatch, etc, etc. Do you want to call those people copycats too?
Really think about what you are responding too. Yea the guy before you is clearly only talking about openings. Cruncher is not brilliant and he is one dimensional. to argue that point is silly.
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I want iNcontroL to win soooo badly right now I cannot even describe it.
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Phoenix have great harrasment ability but man they take forever to do anything in a straight up fight
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Pheonix does 5 x 2 to armored. With no air upgrades and 1 armor upgrade for the ground army, they did 3 x 2 = 6 dmg per per volley vs colossus. Useless.
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I hope everyone noticed that incontrol let his stalkers tank the damage and had upgraded +1 armor vs that army. I thought he waited too long to blink but the extra armor on those units ended up shielding his zealots which were released after the blink, almost all unscathed into Cruncher's units. I know the armor upgrade was a real choice, don't know if the stalker shield was... but really great play in game two by Incontrol!
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If Cruncher just made production facilities instead of so many Phoenix, he could've pumped out a much stronger army with that gold base.
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On April 22 2011 11:45 TazzDingo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:37 AndAgain wrote:On April 22 2011 11:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 22 2011 11:34 AndAgain wrote:
GOGO Cruncher! I want him to win after the crap they talked about him in SOTG. All they said is he played boring, well other than Idra, but he doesn't count. They also underestimate how good he is, imo. I hope Geoff finds out. Don't wanna be rude here but neither is he talented nor are his builds well thought-out... he's nothing but a good copycat who spent a lot of practice time at the right time.
That's a ridiculous statement, all programers copy and practices builds, show me some protoss doing original stuff. If all it took to be a pro gamer and beat other top pros was to copy a build there'd be a lot more people up there don't you think
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"Our latest dish was inspired by our school in Tuscany..."
DON'T BELIEVE IT OLIVE GARDEN JUST GIVE ME SC
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Kinder Eggs :D i used to love Kinder Eggs :D Khaldor <3
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But we do have Kinder eggs, well in Canada at least.
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On April 22 2011 11:50 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:45 TazzDingo wrote:On April 22 2011 11:37 AndAgain wrote:On April 22 2011 11:36 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 22 2011 11:34 AndAgain wrote:
GOGO Cruncher! I want him to win after the crap they talked about him in SOTG. All they said is he played boring, well other than Idra, but he doesn't count. They also underestimate how good he is, imo. I hope Geoff finds out. Don't wanna be rude here but neither is he talented nor are his builds well thought-out... he's nothing but a good copycat who spent a lot of practice time at the right time. Just like a majority of progamers, right? A lot of people use the forge FE and 1 rax expand and 14 hatch, etc, etc. Do you want to call those people copycats too?
Why would you disregard my post like that? In every frikkin RTS game there have been people chewing the flavour of the month and riding the wave of success for a couple of tournaments just to fall off the radar. Right now, he looks like one of these guys to me. If you disagree, tell it without trying to twist my words. Thanks.
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You don't have Kinder egg in the United States or it's just Gretorp who doesn't know what that is? O_O
Well played by Geoff
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Great way to describe Cruncher.
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what Cruncher did was smart, lets give him some credit. And the SotG guys said he played in a boring way, not that he was bad.
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On April 22 2011 11:55 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:You don't have Kinder egg in the United States or it's just Gretorp who doesn't know what that is? O_O Well played by Geoff
If they don't, they haven't lived.
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cross-positions, cruncher top right, incontrol bottom left. cruncher getting 2nd gas, incontrol on one. both on 20 probes.
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was that a fake 4 gate pressure from cruncher?
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Cruncher better player for sure
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cruncher builds a pylon at inc's ramp to fake a 4 gate while going 3gate robo
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kinder eggs = kinder surprise. I can't believe they don't have them in the US (from Canada)
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cruncher going 3 gate robo. incontrol doing 3 gate robo but robo much later. cruncher does a faux 4 gate -- good head games.
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Still having sound issues it seems. Quite noticeable especially compared to other streams.
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While Kinder eggs have been available in Canada since 1975, the product has never been allowed into the US for several reasons. In 1993 the Ferrero Group (the maker of Kinder eggs) applied to have the eggs sold in the USA, but was turned down because of a prohibition against having an inedible item inside an edible object. More recently, the US Consumer Products Safety Commission determined in 2008 that the product did not meet the small-parts requirement for toys for children under the age of three, creating a choking and aspiration hazard in young children. Since 1991, at least 7 children worldwide have died of choking after swallowing the toy inside the Kinder egg.
On January 10, 2011, it was reported that a Kinder egg was seized from a woman's car during a random inspection while entering the United States from Canada. She was informed that bringing the egg into the United States could result in a $300 fine. Seizures such as that one, and even the prohibition of the product itself, have been cited on political blogs and web forums as an example of an overzealous application of law and an intrusion upon personal liberty.
From wikipedia, americans don't know what they're missing.
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Gretorp was saying that Cruncher had a small advantage here from the faster gas and earlier Robo, but I don't know. InControl has a slightly higher food count as a result.
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Funny that the thread from yesterday was at 75ish pages at the same time...guess more people watching this and IPL and not posting? haha...
Go Geoff! Nice charging into those phoenix knowing they do so little damage to colossus. Close games...
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cruncher's first colossus working while incontrol's robo bay still building.
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Cruncher with some nice mind games. Showing a 4-gate pylon with only 3 gates to pressure Inc mentally.
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And can someone explain to me why i can only watch the stream when it says iphonehigh quiality?
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On April 22 2011 12:00 Nerdslayer wrote:
And can someone explain to me why i can only watch the stream when it says iphonehigh quiality?
Justin.tv sounds like it is having some issues in Europe right now. Also Cruncher having a lead with the robo bay, but upgrading thermal lance much later.
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both expanding. not much of a gap between them. cruncher forget's to get thermal lance? oh, there it is... behind incontrol's. 35 probes for cruncher vs 29 for incontrol
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In some forums the ppl discuss stuff like JTV turned the stream off for europe caus they got a special restream for europe. o_O
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On April 22 2011 12:01 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:00 Nerdslayer wrote:
And can someone explain to me why i can only watch the stream when it says iphonehigh quiality? Justin.tv sounds like it is having some issues in Europe right now. Also Cruncher having a lead with the robo bay, but upgrading thermal lance much later.
ok thx
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say what you will about crunchers boring style or whatever, but his macro is perfect.
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Black screen since sjow vs whitera game 3. Sigh irl NASL, one night without fail please.
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inc double stargate play I'm saying void rays but maybe phenoix's
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Incontrol putting up double stargate. Cruncher has food advantage right now.
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2 base v 3 base PvP!?!?!?!
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United States7483 Posts
MACRO PVP!?
WTF!?
Since when is this allowed?
SQUEE
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cruncher going for double robo all the way!!!
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Cruncher taking a 3rd, +1 weapons, adding a 2nd robo. Incontrol massing phoenix.
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Why wouldn't you get voids against colossus? is it the maneuverability?
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Uh oh, Phoenix Immortal > Mass Colossus. If this game goes on too long, I don't think Cruncher will be able tow in.
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On April 22 2011 12:01 Pekkz wrote:
Black screen since sjow vs whitera game 3. Sigh irl NASL, one night without fail please.
The fail is on the end of Justin.tv with Europe right now, many complaints even with the IPL stream.
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Production tab for the love of god.
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hu NASL is now less the 1k away from IPL I'm still calling it to switch at the july match
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On April 22 2011 12:01 dLG)Bananenbaum wrote:
In some forums the ppl discuss stuff like JTV turned the stream off for europe caus they got a special restream for europe. o_O
If thats actually the truth im never gonna watch a stream from justintv again but lets see
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Wow beautiful play by Incontrol.
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Yes iNctrol doing mass damage to the probes with his phoenix's.
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Incontrol chases Cruncher's obs to scout right into his phoenixes. Cruncher goes for templar tech. Incontrol takes out all kinds of probes w/the phoenixes.
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On April 22 2011 12:03 frogstar wrote:
Cruncher taking a 3rd, +1 weapons, adding a 2nd robo. Incontrol massing phoenix.
thanks for updates. more would be appreciated... can't get on the nasl stream even at 240 ...
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wow inc takes out 20 of chruchers probes and doesn't stop until he runs out of lift energy
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180 Hp, 6-speed transmission, 18" alloy wheels. I can't believe these fucking commercials are working flawlessly, and I'm going to miss July vs Ensnare.
Anyone from NA got a restream please?
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Gotta love Gretorp and Khaldor.
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On April 22 2011 12:04 khanofmongols wrote:
templar in PvP?
feedback the phenoix's
god knows no pvp's lasted longer then 20 minutes who knows they may be gosu
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On April 22 2011 12:03 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:01 Pekkz wrote:
Black screen since sjow vs whitera game 3. Sigh irl NASL, one night without fail please. The fail is on the end of Justin.tv with Europe right now, many complaints even with the IPL stream.
Im also watching IGN on best quality got np there but I cant watch NASL unless its quality Iphone where you cant really see anything
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he is *puts on glasses* in control of this game.
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Well I am in europe and the only thing that eventually sometimes maybe loads right now is the iphone low. Can watch that other broadcast without issues in HD also on justin TV though.
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Incontrol is showing how phoenix play is supposed to look
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Phoenixes plus colosus from incontrol takes out all the colossus from Cruncher. That's game. Incontrol wins 2-1.
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Incontrol showing the proper use of pheonix, suck on that cruncher! WP INCONTROL!
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atta boy inc. very good play
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Phoenix are so good in PvP if you don't get 4 gated.
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Well done iNcontroL! I love you a lot more now!
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WOOO! gogog incontrol great win!!
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INCONTROL!!!!! CONGRATS!! :D
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YES!!! INCONTROL!!! so stoked that hes winning!
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holy shit inc takes out all of chruchers colossi with those phenoix's and with that ammount of phenoix's thats the game
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feedback on phoenixes = lol after they used a lot of energy on 20 probes
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So glad to see inControl stomping Cruncher, cruncher is really not the type of player I like.
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there we go Incontrol! thats how you do it! thats 2 wins for the big guy
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I love geoff interviews, can't wait
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Who won between WhiteRa and SjoW?
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Aw yeah iNc steppin' up his PvP.
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Great decision making by Incontrol!
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He tried to phoenix me.
I needed to set the record straight.
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WP Inc. Just the better army composition every time.
I wish Gretorp would stop putting himself down all the time and calling himself dumb.
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So glad to see Cruncher get pwnt by Geoff!!!! great play!
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Wow! Nice game there! Woo
iNcontroL > SjoW 2-1
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So happy to see INcontrol beat down cruncher. Looks like we may finally see some entertaining pvp in the future!
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INCONTROL FIGHTING! good job buddy beautiful air play :D
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Poll: Recommend Inc vs Cruncher game 3?Ya (49) 92% Nah (4) 8% 53 total votes Your vote: Recommend Inc vs Cruncher game 3? (Vote): Ya
(Vote): Nah
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Showing Cruncher how phx should be used.
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United States7483 Posts
The templar answer to the phoenix play was pretty dumb, you can't kill them with feedback, their energy won't be high enough most of the time, and that's a ton of gas to beat units that aren't that expensive, and can still kill your colossi. Needed more stalkers instead of the high templar.
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wow I've underestimated Incontrol.
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On April 22 2011 12:07 Helluva wrote:
Who won between WhiteRa and SjoW?
results are in the op
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On April 22 2011 11:54 SilverforceX wrote:
Pheonix does 5 x 2 to armored. With no air upgrades and 1 armor upgrade for the ground army, they did 3 x 2 = 6 dmg per per volley vs colossus. Useless.
Unless you're Incontrol
It's all about how many you have, how you use them, and how many Stalkers they have.
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On April 22 2011 12:07 iNcontroL wrote:
He tried to phoenix me.
I needed to set the record straight.
ROFL! Nice.
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effffff yeah cruncher dies. nice job incontrol.
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cruncher pvp is a bit lacking . High templars with not storms...
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Come on INC! You got this buddy!
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but to be fair, cruncher wasn t bad this game (and/or boring)
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The production of Cruncher is amazing O_O But what the... Incontrol was completely over him that last game. I think BG has potential if only close spawns were eliminated.
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Yes inc! Loved the phoenix play. Really interested to see if that could catch on. 10 more phoenix instead of 3 colossi could be very interesting
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High templar was probably the dumbest play I've seen today
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FOR IDRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On April 22 2011 12:07 iNcontroL wrote:
He tried to phoenix me.
I needed to set the record straight.
haha nice but good show!!
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Cruncher's micro deficiencies really showed in the last 2 games. Geoff's Phoenix play and unit composition was so much better than crunchers, despite Cruncher's Macro leads.
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Incontrol showing some good results recently, starting with MLG Dallas.
Hopefully he can keep it up. We'll see what he can do in IGNPL.
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On April 22 2011 12:08 DrivE wrote:results are in the op
Ah, thanks buddy.
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Another great game coming up. Lets go July!
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This is what I've waiting for. July gogogogoog
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So syched to see July play. He's definitely my second favorite Zerg, next to Sheth.
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On April 22 2011 12:08 Carl_Sagan wrote:
High templar was probably the dumbest play I've seen today
Agreed, but incontrol just out played him regardless so it didn't matter . go incontrol!!!!
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Khaldor doing his best Bond villain impression.
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On April 22 2011 12:08 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 11:54 SilverforceX wrote:
Pheonix does 5 x 2 to armored. With no air upgrades and 1 armor upgrade for the ground army, they did 3 x 2 = 6 dmg per per volley vs colossus. Useless. Unless you're Incontrol It's all about how many you have, how you use them, and how many Stalkers they have.
Your points are valid, but also remember that Incontrol upgraded armor for his units and cruncher did not.
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On April 22 2011 12:10 Jyvblamo wrote:Khaldor doing his best Bond villain impression.
Yea really not the best time for the camera to lag lol.
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Hmmmm Inc so far 2-0, props to him on doing so well thus far. One can only hope that the point advantage doesn't work against him :S
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Man that game was awesome. Even though Inc was so behind in workers, he totally mangled Cruncher's army.
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I'm not sure if that "www.xsplit.com" logo down there was intentional, if it wasn't, that sucks.
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Is anybody from europe able to watch at all??
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Are the two Koreans playing on the K server?
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On April 22 2011 12:12 Pekkz wrote:
Is anybody from europe able to watch at all??
i'm in australia and not able to watch.
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July will tear Ensnare apart
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July! So excited, I have the IGNPL muted
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iphone high / low, IPL running at 1080, NASL is a fuckin joke.
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On April 22 2011 12:12 Pekkz wrote:
Is anybody from europe able to watch at all??
nope
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On April 22 2011 12:12 Pekkz wrote:
Is anybody from europe able to watch at all??
Sweden, haven't been able to watch for 30 minutes now ]]:
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In case any of you are behind, like me, if you mouse over the top right corner of that hovering Olive Garden ad, the option to close it appears.
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cruncher made many crucial mistakes in that game, he lost his first obs without scouting his oppoent's stargate and didnt make a second so incontrol had free scouting all over his base. cruncher should hae saced a probe to see incontrol's ground army comp, if he noticed the low colossi count he would have guessed that incontrol was doing something sneaky. his response to the phoenixs after scouting them was also less than optimal.
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Eagerly waiting for July to turn the kill switch on!
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here it is match of the night can't wait
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On April 22 2011 12:13 eloist wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:12 Pekkz wrote:
Is anybody from europe able to watch at all?? nope
just wrote a mail to NASL, if they seriously took down European livestream, I want my money back
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Oh no, July defend against the bunker rush please!
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This is a joke black screen again!!! but i can watch IGN on best quality so its clearly not justinTV
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man july lost way to many drones, its pretty much gg already
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OMG WTF?!?! What was July Zerg thinking?! That second bunker wasn't even worth going for.
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On April 22 2011 12:10 Maelstrom.cobhc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:08 Carl_Sagan wrote:
High templar was probably the dumbest play I've seen today Agreed, but incontrol just out played him regardless so it didn't matter . go incontrol!!!!
Maybe he was trying for Archons, the splash/damage could be good aqainsts bunched up Pheonixes. Just didn't have enough gas.
And Awesome Victory InControl!
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Damnit July losing game one to a bunker rush.
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wow that was lame, july gets bunker rushed hard
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Terrible response and control by july
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I'm able to watch it on http://fr.justin.tv/naslseasonone on "iphonehigh" quality. Just got it to work as july vs. ensnare started.
Also successful bunker rush ! very rare nowadays.
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I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl..
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Ouch, July really overcommitment those drones.
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god that marine micro was really good
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That's actually a standard game for Koreans.
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july got greedy with his pool then got unlucky with his banes
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damn... July got owned.
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greedy build punished hard here
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In all fairness July didn't react properly, and had poor placement on his spine crawler.
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Ensare is kinda a beast guys.. kinda
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July ... >
Well this was pretty lame
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July is so much better than that, he couldn't have possibly been playing his best that game. In no way in his lifetime experience would engaging all those marines and losing all those drones, especially when the bunkers were so far from the hatch. He knows better than that.
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On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl..
the stream is fine...?
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On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl..
July got owned by a 2 rax with some boss marine micro
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On April 22 2011 12:17 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. the stream is fine...?
not for EU ppl
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I've never had any significant stream crash problems just watching through Teamliquid? Maybe try that instead of direct Justin.tv.
Edit: Some great artifacting on Khaldor again!
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EU is down for like 30 minutes now
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are they using an amiga to stream?
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My streams down (black) even though I'm in CA...might just be when you accessed it?
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On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl..
streams fine....sigh
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Judging by the micro comments about Ensnare, this is being playing on Korea? Or is every match being playing on NA due to league rules?
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come on july, show him who's boss this time
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On April 22 2011 12:18 calippo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:17 darthfoley wrote:On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. the stream is fine...? not for EU ppl
Oh, well sorry Don't know why it'd be good for NA and bad for EU!
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Thats what you get when you go hatch first.
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As people already mentioned, there are stream problems for viewers from the EU as a result of problems on justin.tv's end. I know NASL has made some screwups but this one isn't one of them.
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sigh. july ): c'mon! don't die on me now!!
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On April 22 2011 12:13 calippo wrote:
iphone high / low, IPL running at 1080, NASL is a fuckin joke.
Are you entirely sure that isn't a justin.tv issue....c'mon...
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On April 22 2011 12:19 Qaatar wrote:
Judging by the micro comments about Ensnare, this is being playing on Korea? Or is every match being playing on NA due to league rules?
kalhdors in euro gretorps in NA and they both are in korea idk what would be best
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On April 22 2011 12:19 zyglrox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. streams fine....sigh
do you even read posts?
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On April 22 2011 12:20 torm wrote:
As people already mentioned, there are stream problems for viewers from the EU as a result of problems on justin.tv's end. I know NASL has made some screwups but this one isn't one of them.
How am i able to watch IPL in 1080 without any issues if its JTVs fault? :D
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On April 22 2011 12:20 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:18 calippo wrote:On April 22 2011 12:17 darthfoley wrote:On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. the stream is fine...? not for EU ppl Oh, well sorry Don't know why it'd be good for NA and bad for EU!
it`s a known issue with justin.tv
bizarre that IGN runs perfectly though
and 240p working now (still paid for more)
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On April 22 2011 12:19 Qaatar wrote:
Judging by the micro comments about Ensnare, this is being playing on Korea? Or is every match being playing on NA due to league rules?
Hmmmm perhaps they allowed them to play in Korea? But I think it's in NA given the casters.
Also, that was painful to watch
Go July!!!
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On April 22 2011 12:20 torm wrote:
As people already mentioned, there are stream problems for viewers from the EU as a result of problems on justin.tv's end. I know NASL has made some screwups but this one isn't one of them.
how can I watch IGN Pro League at best quality then but can't even get NASL started at 240?
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I'd would like to hear the Koreans comments on latency quality for this tournament, it seems strange that they are doing below expected.
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On April 22 2011 12:20 torm wrote:
As people already mentioned, there are stream problems for viewers from the EU as a result of problems on justin.tv's end. I know NASL has made some screwups but this one isn't one of them.
Yes but one can argue that NASL made a mistake by choosing justin.tv as the stream provider.
Anyways hopefully July will perform some cool tactics.
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On April 22 2011 12:20 Belegurth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:19 zyglrox wrote:On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. streams fine....sigh do you even read posts?
do you realize some people don't have any stream problems right now? I have absolutely no stream problems on 1080p right now.
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On April 22 2011 12:21 AlBundy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:20 torm wrote:
As people already mentioned, there are stream problems for viewers from the EU as a result of problems on justin.tv's end. I know NASL has made some screwups but this one isn't one of them. Yes but one can argue that NASL made a mistake by choosing justin.tv as the stream provider. Anyways hopefully July will perform some cool tactics.
and your suggestion as the stream provider?
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Come on, JustinTV! Youa re making NASL look bad >:|
Sorry to all the european viewers, hopefully they fix this quickly
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On April 22 2011 12:22 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:20 Belegurth wrote:On April 22 2011 12:19 zyglrox wrote:On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. streams fine....sigh do you even read posts? do you realize some people don't have any stream problems right now? I have absolutely no stream problems on 1080p right now.
do you know what EU stands for?
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On April 22 2011 12:22 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:20 Belegurth wrote:On April 22 2011 12:19 zyglrox wrote:On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. streams fine....sigh do you even read posts? do you realize some people don't have any stream problems right now? I have absolutely no stream problems on 1080p right now.
do you even read posts?
you are not in Europe
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i'm gonna start taking a drink every time gretorp says 'indicative'
good word and i notice it every time he says it
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ensnare gets a fast gas, looks to be mech or fast banshees
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On April 22 2011 12:20 Belegurth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:19 zyglrox wrote:On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. streams fine....sigh do you even read posts?
yea i do, but you realize that post build up quickly. i'm not in europe soooo....yea
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July is building roaches as ensare gets a reactored barracks. good play!
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On April 22 2011 12:23 Binky1842 wrote:i'm gonna start taking a drink every time gretorp says 'indicative' good word and i notice it every time he says it
Now I probably will too.
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240p is working for me right now in europe, but only 240p, and it's horrible :D
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On April 22 2011 12:22 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:20 Belegurth wrote:On April 22 2011 12:19 zyglrox wrote:On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. streams fine....sigh do you even read posts? do you realize some people don't have any stream problems right now? I have absolutely no stream problems on 1080p right now.
Dude, seriously. European viewers are having problems.
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On April 22 2011 12:21 calippo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:20 torm wrote:
As people already mentioned, there are stream problems for viewers from the EU as a result of problems on justin.tv's end. I know NASL has made some screwups but this one isn't one of them. How am i able to watch IPL in 1080 without any issues if its JTVs fault? :D
How do you propose it's a fault of NASL? They provide the video stream data to justin.tv, not how it is distributed.
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On April 22 2011 12:22 Belegurth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:21 AlBundy wrote:On April 22 2011 12:20 torm wrote:
As people already mentioned, there are stream problems for viewers from the EU as a result of problems on justin.tv's end. I know NASL has made some screwups but this one isn't one of them. Yes but one can argue that NASL made a mistake by choosing justin.tv as the stream provider. Anyways hopefully July will perform some cool tactics. and your suggestion as the stream provider?
Sorry I'm not a tournament organizer so I don't have an answer for that. I'm just a spectator, a consumer.
Very nice hellion harass here, Ensnare looks really comfortable in TvZ
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No1 from EU have been able to watch this goddam stream sicne white-ra wtf is going on here?
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On April 22 2011 12:22 Belegurth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 22 2011 12:20 Belegurth wrote:On April 22 2011 12:19 zyglrox wrote:On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. streams fine....sigh do you even read posts? do you realize some people don't have any stream problems right now? I have absolutely no stream problems on 1080p right now. do you know what EU stands for?
OH OH I got this
Egyptian Utilities?
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why is the sound so terrible. ~_~
July FIGHTING. c'mon july even it up.
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On April 22 2011 12:23 zyglrox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:20 Belegurth wrote:On April 22 2011 12:19 zyglrox wrote:On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. streams fine....sigh do you even read posts? yea, i do.
then clearly you need to get your eyes checked.
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july breaks the supply depo in the wallin, runs 4 roaches into ensnare;'s base and kills some scvs
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July preparing for potential banshee harass.
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Stop saying its justinTV fault when i can watch IGN perfectly on justinTV im watching both tournaments atm well only 1 since i got black screen from NASL!!
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Haha, which one of them called the Banshee a BENJEE?
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I think Gretorp and Khaldor have been alot better together today. I've enjoyed the commentary alot. And some pretty good matches so far.
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On April 22 2011 12:23 Binky1842 wrote:i'm gonna start taking a drink every time gretorp says 'indicative' good word and i notice it every time he says it
You mean every time he says "momentarily" right?
You'll be pretty drunk pretty fast
He's doing much better than last week, and I expect he'll continue to improve as we go.
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On April 22 2011 12:24 Belegurth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:23 zyglrox wrote:On April 22 2011 12:20 Belegurth wrote:On April 22 2011 12:19 zyglrox wrote:On April 22 2011 12:17 Pekkz wrote:
I stay up to watch July vs ensnare and stream is black. I didnt think it was possible to screw up more then nasl allready did. Sigh irl.. streams fine....sigh do you even read posts? yea, i do. then clearly you need to get your eyes checked.
haha
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Hmm.. Ensnare doing a bad/inefficient version of a very popular 2v2 build...
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On April 22 2011 12:25 Nerdslayer wrote:
Stop saying its justinTV fault when i can watch IGN perfectly on justinTV im watching both tournaments atm well only 1 since i got black screen from NASL!!
I'm watching NASL (and was watching IPL) at 1080p. I'm in the US though. Seems everyone in EU is having an issue.
Again, not NASL's fault...unless you know something that we dont about streaming and blocking out a region purposefully...?
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I always facepalm when people call the queen a him/he.
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ensnare going in with a marine tank timeing push with cloaked bansee's july pulling all drones
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This is looking grim for July
Ensnare the king of early pressure.
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Love that BanJee
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july got greedy again ensnare wins hardcore
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Meh, dunno if it's lag that got july or what. but pretty dissapointing overall from him. gotta give ensnare credit, dudes good
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July definitely not showing his best play here :/. He is much better than this.
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On April 22 2011 12:27 mathsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:25 Nerdslayer wrote:
Stop saying its justinTV fault when i can watch IGN perfectly on justinTV im watching both tournaments atm well only 1 since i got black screen from NASL!!
I'm watching NASL (and was watching IPL) at 1080p. I'm in the US though. Seems everyone in EU is having an issue. Again, not NASL's fault...unless you know something that we dont about streaming and blocking out a region purposefully...?
So explain to me how I can watch IGN on best quality on justinTV but cant watch NASL at all can only use iphonequality??
So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end
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Where did the July kill switch go, it was just wanting to macro
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On April 22 2011 12:28 1Eris1 wrote:
Meh, dunno if it's lag that got july or what. but pretty dissapointing overall from him. gotta give ensnare credit, dudes good
Ensnare and July are both playing from Korea.
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Wow excellent play from Ensnare Omg..
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On April 22 2011 12:28 Maghetti wrote:
July definitely not showing his best play here :/. He is much better than this.
I agree completely.
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Wow, that match was a huge disappointment.
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Almost seems like Ensnare played like MVP
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wow that was sad feel bad for july fans
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July got obliterated so bad... But then again, it was Crossfire so not much you could have asked of him :S
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On April 22 2011 12:28 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:27 mathsucks wrote:On April 22 2011 12:25 Nerdslayer wrote:
Stop saying its justinTV fault when i can watch IGN perfectly on justinTV im watching both tournaments atm well only 1 since i got black screen from NASL!!
I'm watching NASL (and was watching IPL) at 1080p. I'm in the US though. Seems everyone in EU is having an issue. Again, not NASL's fault...unless you know something that we dont about streaming and blocking out a region purposefully...? So explain to me how I can watch IGN on best quality on justinTV but cant watch NASL at all can only use iphonequality?? So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end
Having the same problem
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Looks like the same all-in Hyperdub did in his code-a game
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Is the stream really laggy for anyone else? Anyone know how to fix it? Sorry if this has been asked 100000x >.<
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way to destroy liquidbets lol
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Can anyone give me a quick background on Khaldor? Where's he from, playing for and stuff like that?
Anyways i can't believe Ensnare pulled off that 2-0
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Ugh, the audio is soooo bad. I like Khaldor as a caster though.
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July disappoints in his first NASL match. I was expecting sooooo much more
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On April 22 2011 12:29 Flytothesky wrote:
Almost seems like Ensnare played like MVP
well he lagged in his game against INCONTROL there was a huge different in level of play in this game along with his games in the GSL
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bam, europe again black screen!
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You can clearly see the lag here. Don't know if they were playing on KR or NA, but the observer cam was really stuttering throughout both games.
Game wasn't up to July standard though. Don't know what he was thinking getting all those drones killed on Terminus and not getting ling speed on Crossfire.
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ok, even 240p is down now
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why does my commercial last for 2 minutes every single time T.T
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On April 22 2011 12:28 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:27 mathsucks wrote:On April 22 2011 12:25 Nerdslayer wrote:
Stop saying its justinTV fault when i can watch IGN perfectly on justinTV im watching both tournaments atm well only 1 since i got black screen from NASL!!
I'm watching NASL (and was watching IPL) at 1080p. I'm in the US though. Seems everyone in EU is having an issue. Again, not NASL's fault...unless you know something that we dont about streaming and blocking out a region purposefully...? So explain to me how I can watch IGN on best quality on justinTV but cant watch NASL at all can only use iphonequality?? So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end
If you can tell me how they can purposely screw over an entire continent, we'd all like to know your theories. Many people are watching it perfectly fine (including myself) at 1080p, and seems like people in Europe are having issues...you in Europe?
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Successful Day with liquidbets. Glad to see that cruncher lost.
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the sound quality of the caster is terrible. What is wrong tonight with that? Both Gretorp and that other caster guy have terrible terrible microphones or it's the audio encoding that is garbage?
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Ensnare was out for blood... Why so greedy, July? Maybe it had something to do with hiding tactics for GSL? *hopes*
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arghghh julyy ): that early pressure >__<
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On April 22 2011 12:31 Funnelcakes wrote:
Successful Day with liquidbets. Glad to see that cruncher lost.
Cruncher can only do PvZ and can only do 1 build in that matchup void ray collossus
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i liked when those roaches "made those hellions flee like ants when you.... thrust a fist on the ant hill."
beautiful eloquent analogy
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On April 22 2011 12:31 mathsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:28 Nerdslayer wrote:On April 22 2011 12:27 mathsucks wrote:On April 22 2011 12:25 Nerdslayer wrote:
Stop saying its justinTV fault when i can watch IGN perfectly on justinTV im watching both tournaments atm well only 1 since i got black screen from NASL!!
I'm watching NASL (and was watching IPL) at 1080p. I'm in the US though. Seems everyone in EU is having an issue. Again, not NASL's fault...unless you know something that we dont about streaming and blocking out a region purposefully...? So explain to me how I can watch IGN on best quality on justinTV but cant watch NASL at all can only use iphonequality?? So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end If you can tell me how they can purposely screw over an entire continent, we'd all like to know your theories. Many people are watching it perfectly fine (including myself) at 1080p, and seems like people in Europe are having issues...you in Europe?
im in states and having problems with anything higher than 480
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Khaldor is a pretty good caster. I wouldn't mind seeing him more
Poor July but July did made mistakes
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On April 22 2011 12:31 stephiso wrote:
the sound quality of the caster is terrible. What is wrong tonight with that? Both Gretorp and that other caster guy have terrible terrible microphones or it's the audio encoding that is garbage?
Pretty sure it's the audio bitrate being super low.
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Haha only 500 people picked Ensnare to win in Liquidbet.
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On April 22 2011 12:29 Jampackedeon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:28 1Eris1 wrote:
Meh, dunno if it's lag that got july or what. but pretty dissapointing overall from him. gotta give ensnare credit, dudes good Ensnare and July are both playing from Korea.
mmmm but doesn't oGs have like the best connection over there or something? thats what I keep hearing.
I'm just bringing it up because July's teammate, Rainbow, has gotten fucked pretty badly by lag twice so far in the NASL
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On April 22 2011 12:30 darthfoley wrote:
Can anyone give me a quick background on Khaldor? Where's he from, playing for and stuff like that?
Anyways i can't believe Ensnare pulled off that 2-0
Hes a german caster & ex mousesports manger (for WC3)
and the sound problems are on NASLs end cuz his normal streams are amazing quality
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Some disappointing series tonight. Always enjoy seeing what white-ra comes up with, and he didn't disappoint...more solid play from his as always.
Think the best series of the night though was PvP (wtf no 4gate insta game overs?!). Nice to see the potential for the matchup to stabilize a bit, and the results are actually pretty interesting.
Grats, Sir incontrol on your man-style destruction. Had me worried for a bit there =D
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These were the fastest matches up to date O_O... GJ!
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Another great night of games. Though some of the series weren't as epic.
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On April 22 2011 12:32 aMped wrote:
i liked when those roaches "made those hellions flee like ants when you.... thrust a fist on the ant hill."
beautiful eloquent analogy
ants actually rush toward your fist when you stick it into an ant hill. i'm a 3900+ grand masters ant hill puncher, not that it matters. it's really dumb that they do, since they're just suiciding into the hand and they complain alllll the time about it but ants aren't underpowered at all. they are just not using their ant tunnels correctly. if they use those and pop them up all around the place, there's no way the hand can win trying to fight on so many fronts. 3900+ grand masters ant hill puncher. i'm out.
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On April 22 2011 08:59 FallDownMarigold wrote:
As a followup and as an equally risky gambler, I'd like to wager that foreigners will go 4-4.
hahahaha, you were wrong after it. It was 3-3 xD
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OMG... tonight was a bit of SC2 history.
To have IGN come out with their league, right while NASL was having another one it its nights....wow.... the juxtaposition was harsh.
IGN is gonna get more viewers for a $5000 tourney...and make it free, HD, and extremely well produced (you should have seen it).?
I wish you luck NASL crew... but someone's out to end you. IGN looks to be playing to win.
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On April 22 2011 12:33 TheDWorm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:30 darthfoley wrote:
Can anyone give me a quick background on Khaldor? Where's he from, playing for and stuff like that?
Anyways i can't believe Ensnare pulled off that 2-0 Hes a german caster & ex mousesports manger (for WC3) and the sound problems are on NASLs end cuz his normal streams are amazing quality
Hmmmm, don't know about the last part. It seems to me they're using Skype or something like that to communicate so both could be at fault for not setting up their audio settings to their optimal best. But that's just what seems to me from a listener's perspective.
After the two sets prior to this, Ensnare surely ensured that the most anti-climatic finish to the day would be achieved
Also, I feel the White-Ra vs SjoW series should also be recommended.
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Loved NASL today guys, the casting was really awesome. Torp seems to have taken all the advise and really improved him self and now his knowledge of the game shines. The guest today was really awesome he gave some good insight to the zerg side of things in every match which was nice for a change. I really hope yo guys keep up this level of quality! Please don't invite totalbiscuit on to cast because I would have to mute you like I did the IGN pro league.
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On April 22 2011 12:28 Nerdslayer wrote:So explain to me how I can watch IGN on best quality on justinTV but cant watch NASL at all can only use iphonequality??
So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end
Implying there is one single machine equipped with a direct landline from the Justin.tv building to this thing called "Europe", thus a working IGN stream must mean a working NASL stream. Sir, have you been living under a rock?
Regarding stream resolution, it is because the event organisations chose to. It is not like NASL is a 700 million $ news syndicate that is even small compared to its mother organisation FOX Media under which it runs.
Ignorance is bliss.
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On April 22 2011 12:40 Mephiztopheles1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:33 TheDWorm wrote:On April 22 2011 12:30 darthfoley wrote:
Can anyone give me a quick background on Khaldor? Where's he from, playing for and stuff like that?
Anyways i can't believe Ensnare pulled off that 2-0 Hes a german caster & ex mousesports manger (for WC3) and the sound problems are on NASLs end cuz his normal streams are amazing quality Hmmmm, don't know about the last part. It seems to me they're using Skype or something like that to communicate so both could be at fault for not setting up their audio settings to their optimal best. But that's just what seems to me from a listener's perspective. After the two sets prior to this, Ensnare surely ensured that the most anti-climatic finish to the day would be achieved Also, I feel the White-Ra vs SjoW series should also be recommended.
but if they really think that skype is a good tool for "high quality" streams than they get back and think again. there are better ways to do it
thats what i want to say in the past khaldor and his crew showed that it is possible to get high quality sound even if ur cocaster is somewhere else
and to the justin.tv debatte : most of the time (including other streaming plattforms) its cuz of the serverdistribution and that would be handled by justin.tv (hope u understand what i want to say cuz english is not my motherlanguage - if not just read something about streaming networks in english)
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On April 22 2011 12:39 dsousa wrote:
OMG... tonight was a bit of SC2 history.
To have IGN come out with their league, right while NASL was having another one it its nights....wow.... the juxtaposition was harsh.
IGN is gonna get more viewers for a $5000 tourney...and make it free, HD, and extremely well produced (you should have seen it).?
I wish you luck NASL crew... but someone's out to end you. IGN looks to be playing to win.
Fortunately, NASL's player lineup is much more superior to IGN's. No amount of production is going to make me care about a NA-only league.
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Sone FRIENDLY constructive criticisms of tonights games:
Khaldor sound quality was not good. Khaldors camera was awful and laggy as well. As for Gretorp he continually is making up words that dont exist. Here is the list of "Gretorp-isms" that I managed to write down during the cast tonight:
- Undisagreeable
- Disretreating
- Undefending
- Synthisticating (I think he meant synergy?)
- nonprotecting
Other than that the cast was clear for me, as it is for most subscribers (minus Khaldors crapola web cam lag which was plain awful the entire night).
For me I can look past most of these problems as I overall enjoyed the NASL experience, buit I figure I should mention these issues so that NASL can work to fix them for future.
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The lag in Khaldor's cam was a problem of skype and there's really nothing we could have done to fix that, unfortunately T__T!
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On April 22 2011 12:45 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:39 dsousa wrote:
OMG... tonight was a bit of SC2 history.
To have IGN come out with their league, right while NASL was having another one it its nights....wow.... the juxtaposition was harsh.
IGN is gonna get more viewers for a $5000 tourney...and make it free, HD, and extremely well produced (you should have seen it).?
I wish you luck NASL crew... but someone's out to end you. IGN looks to be playing to win.
Fortunately, NASL's player lineup is much more superior to IGN's. No amount of production is going me care about a NA-only league.
But the fact that the each NASL game means relatively nothing in the scope of the long schedule compared to a knock out (to losers bracket and then out) tournament, each game in IPL means a lot more then NASL. NASL games seem equivalent to watching Huk or Idra stream. Players don't even seem phased to have walk overs and drop a few games here and there.
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Not a bad night all things considered.
But seriously, zoom up to gretorp if he's the only one there. Looks so sad.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On April 22 2011 12:47 Xeris wrote:
The lag in Khaldor's cam was a problem of skype and there's really nothing we could have done to fix that, unfortunately T__T!
Sure you can fix it....dont use Khaldor umtil you can get a connection that works, or find a caster that works well with the show. Also the sound...need I say more?
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On April 22 2011 12:48 kaileah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:45 Qaatar wrote:On April 22 2011 12:39 dsousa wrote:
OMG... tonight was a bit of SC2 history.
To have IGN come out with their league, right while NASL was having another one it its nights....wow.... the juxtaposition was harsh.
IGN is gonna get more viewers for a $5000 tourney...and make it free, HD, and extremely well produced (you should have seen it).?
I wish you luck NASL crew... but someone's out to end you. IGN looks to be playing to win.
Fortunately, NASL's player lineup is much more superior to IGN's. No amount of production is going me care about a NA-only league. But the fact that the each NASL game means relatively nothing in the scope of the long schedule compared to a knock out (to losers bracket and then out) tournament, each game in IPL means a lot more then NASL. NASL games seem equivalent to watching Huk or Idra stream. Players don't even seem phased to have walk overs and drop a few games here and there.
That where you are completely wrong. The top 2 in each division with the best records move forward. I garuntee that with $75,000 on the line for the top player, every single match is important, and if there are players (ie Naniwa) that dont seem to care about missing a match or two, then they are just plain not smart about this.
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On April 22 2011 12:47 Xeris wrote:
The lag in Khaldor's cam was a problem of skype and there's really nothing we could have done to fix that, unfortunately T__T!
why not take a different approach instead of using skype which leads to shitty production?
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On April 22 2011 12:48 kaileah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:45 Qaatar wrote:On April 22 2011 12:39 dsousa wrote:
OMG... tonight was a bit of SC2 history.
To have IGN come out with their league, right while NASL was having another one it its nights....wow.... the juxtaposition was harsh.
IGN is gonna get more viewers for a $5000 tourney...and make it free, HD, and extremely well produced (you should have seen it).?
I wish you luck NASL crew... but someone's out to end you. IGN looks to be playing to win.
Fortunately, NASL's player lineup is much more superior to IGN's. No amount of production is going me care about a NA-only league. But the fact that the each NASL game means relatively nothing in the scope of the long schedule compared to a knock out (to losers bracket and then out) tournament, each game in IPL means a lot more then NASL. NASL games seem equivalent to watching Huk or Idra stream. Players don't even seem phased to have walk overs and drop a few games here and there.
Just different agendas when watching games. I watch them purely for entertainment purposes, and drama is only a small part of what I care about. Thus, ladder games can be just as entertaining to me as a GSL Code S finals match.
I'm one of those who always watches NBA regular season games of my favorite teams, and will not watch an NBA finals series if it features two teams that I don't care about.
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3-2 in liquidbets tonight. Awe.
Oh wells!
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On April 22 2011 12:37 I)etox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:32 aMped wrote:
i liked when those roaches "made those hellions flee like ants when you.... thrust a fist on the ant hill."
beautiful eloquent analogy ants actually rush toward your fist when you stick it into an ant hill. i'm a 3900+ grand masters ant hill puncher, not that it matters. it's really dumb that they do, since they're just suiciding into the hand and they complain alllll the time about it but ants aren't underpowered at all. they are just not using their ant tunnels correctly. if they use those and pop them up all around the place, there's no way the hand can win trying to fight on so many fronts. 3900+ grand masters ant hill puncher. i'm out.
I love you?
Happy for iNcontroL taking down Zerg's public enemy no.1
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On April 22 2011 12:47 Xeris wrote:
The lag in Khaldor's cam was a problem of skype and there's really nothing we could have done to fix that, unfortunately T__T!
try vent, teamspeak, mumble, bnet voice....there is always something you can do. Oh and just in case you have not heard...can you fix the low fps of nasl streams and the audio? thanks and good luck with nasl!
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On April 22 2011 12:48 kaileah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:45 Qaatar wrote:On April 22 2011 12:39 dsousa wrote:
OMG... tonight was a bit of SC2 history.
To have IGN come out with their league, right while NASL was having another one it its nights....wow.... the juxtaposition was harsh.
IGN is gonna get more viewers for a $5000 tourney...and make it free, HD, and extremely well produced (you should have seen it).?
I wish you luck NASL crew... but someone's out to end you. IGN looks to be playing to win.
Fortunately, NASL's player lineup is much more superior to IGN's. No amount of production is going me care about a NA-only league. But the fact that the each NASL game means relatively nothing in the scope of the long schedule compared to a knock out (to losers bracket and then out) tournament, each game in IPL means a lot more then NASL. NASL games seem equivalent to watching Huk or Idra stream. Players don't even seem phased to have walk overs and drop a few games here and there.
Not quite. Top 2 in each group advances, so if someone in your group wins every match, then losing even one match puts you in danger of not advancing. Every NASL match is important, especially for those who have not yet lost or who are in a tough group. What this means is that the early rounds actually matter a lot as if you fall behind, it's going to be hard to claw your way back unless everyone else in your group also loses a bunch.
Where the NASL system breaks down, however, is for players who have already lost a lot of games relative to others in their group. At some point it becomes obvious that you won't likely advance because the other players in your group are so far ahead. It's at that point that motivating players becomes a problem.
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On April 22 2011 12:33 TheDWorm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:30 darthfoley wrote:
Can anyone give me a quick background on Khaldor? Where's he from, playing for and stuff like that?
Anyways i can't believe Ensnare pulled off that 2-0 Hes a german caster & ex mousesports manger (for WC3) and the sound problems are on NASLs end cuz his normal streams are amazing quality
Thought he was manager of the 4Kings team in WC3 not MouzSports.
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On April 22 2011 12:48 kaileah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:45 Qaatar wrote:On April 22 2011 12:39 dsousa wrote:
OMG... tonight was a bit of SC2 history.
To have IGN come out with their league, right while NASL was having another one it its nights....wow.... the juxtaposition was harsh.
IGN is gonna get more viewers for a $5000 tourney...and make it free, HD, and extremely well produced (you should have seen it).?
I wish you luck NASL crew... but someone's out to end you. IGN looks to be playing to win.
Fortunately, NASL's player lineup is much more superior to IGN's. No amount of production is going me care about a NA-only league. But the fact that the each NASL game means relatively nothing in the scope of the long schedule compared to a knock out (to losers bracket and then out) tournament, each game in IPL means a lot more then NASL. NASL games seem to have the same weight as watching Huk or Idra stream. Players don't even seem phased to have walk overs and drop a few games here and there.
Then again, this argument would ridicule any kind of league-play. For all we know, your logic haven't kept regular sports from developing exactly said format.
It is debatable whether or not you should cast all games, but in a broad perspective divisional play is for me the right way to handle any number of more than 32 players. It pleases both players and fans, keeping permeability for new players whilst maintaining long-term stability. Especially the latter would reduce risks and allow potential investors to consider putting more money into the business, which in turn can support a wider range of players to sustain their profession. I'd rather have a simple season with final play-offs than the seemingly over-complicated system of MLG.
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On April 22 2011 12:48 Lightwish01 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:47 Xeris wrote:
The lag in Khaldor's cam was a problem of skype and there's really nothing we could have done to fix that, unfortunately T__T! Sure you can fix it....dont use Khaldor umtil you can get a connection that works, or find a caster that works well with the show. Also the sound...need I say more?
Question is, why does this matter? You only see Khaldor for a total of 3 or 4 minutes every hour of the actual games, so a laggy webcam is really not a big deal. Plus he's an awesome caster, so it would be sad to exclude him for such an irrelevant detail.
Sure, all the little things like sound quality and streaming lagginess do matter, but in the end its the games that are the driving force behind how good the tournament is. There's great matchups every day to look forward to and some pretty awesome games to watch. If those are great, then the fact that there's a few hiccups in the first week or two of a brand new production is not really such a big deal.
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3-2 liquibets, didn't know qxc was on vacation and had voted for him =(
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On April 22 2011 13:07 Taryssa wrote:
3-2 liquibets, didn't know qxc was on vacation and had voted for him =(
Walkovers are worth 0 points anyways so that game doesn't matter.
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On April 22 2011 13:03 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:33 TheDWorm wrote:On April 22 2011 12:30 darthfoley wrote:
Can anyone give me a quick background on Khaldor? Where's he from, playing for and stuff like that?
Anyways i can't believe Ensnare pulled off that 2-0 Hes a german caster & ex mousesports manger (for WC3) and the sound problems are on NASLs end cuz his normal streams are amazing quality Thought he was manager of the 4Kings team in WC3 not MouzSports.
both first 4kings than mouse
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Who cares if the commentators video is laggy or if the audio aint perfect. Just let me watch the game and I'm happy but that does not seem to be possible.
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On April 22 2011 12:45 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:39 dsousa wrote:
OMG... tonight was a bit of SC2 history.
To have IGN come out with their league, right while NASL was having another one it its nights....wow.... the juxtaposition was harsh.
IGN is gonna get more viewers for a $5000 tourney...and make it free, HD, and extremely well produced (you should have seen it).?
I wish you luck NASL crew... but someone's out to end you. IGN looks to be playing to win.
Fortunately, NASL's player lineup is much more superior to IGN's. No amount of production is going to make me care about a NA-only league.
I guess you didn't listen to SOTG. After the first season only the top 4 from the previous season are given spots for IGN. The rest of the spots are determined by online qualifiers (AKA ballers).
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What blows me away is that some people have apparently never seen a league before. It's not a new concept. Nobody is going to go "Eh, I can just lose my first 8 games, it doesn't really matter." Hell, anybody who approaches this with the attitude that they don't need to prepare for the first few is an idiot. It's not like everybody advances out of the group.
I can't emphasize this enough though...if you have never seen a league before, please do a google search or something before saying that the format can't work.
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On April 22 2011 12:41 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:28 Nerdslayer wrote:So explain to me how I can watch IGN on best quality on justinTV but cant watch NASL at all can only use iphonequality??
So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end Implying there is one single machine equipped with a direct landline from the Justin.tv building to this thing called "Europe", thus a working IGN stream must mean a working NASL stream. Sir, have you been living under a rock? Regarding stream resolution, it is because the event organisations chose to. It is not like NASL is a 700 million $ news syndicate that is even small compared to its mother organisation FOX Media under which it runs. Ignorance is bliss.
Well excuse me Mr. IT, Nerd! Im sorry i dont got a degree in "how the fecking internet works". But I do know for a fact that I coulld watch IGN at high quality and i had black screen when I tryed to watch NASL so plz explain that to me.
But yea NASL track record speak for themself it coulnt possible be there fault could it? everything has went so smothly from day 1 "cough"
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I think that the nasl is on a good way sure it could be better but if they manage to fix the tech issues (hopefully asap) they would be in a very good shape cuz the lineup is awesome (a lot of good players from all over the world) and the commentators are good too and they know what they are talking about
They should really talk to justin.tv to fix the probs (or set up another stream as backup on another streaming service)
The rest of the critics are really minor ones which only makes the difference from an excelent to legendary event
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Another walkover? Nice...
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On April 22 2011 13:05 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:48 kaileah wrote:On April 22 2011 12:45 Qaatar wrote:On April 22 2011 12:39 dsousa wrote:
OMG... tonight was a bit of SC2 history.
To have IGN come out with their league, right while NASL was having another one it its nights....wow.... the juxtaposition was harsh.
IGN is gonna get more viewers for a $5000 tourney...and make it free, HD, and extremely well produced (you should have seen it).?
I wish you luck NASL crew... but someone's out to end you. IGN looks to be playing to win.
Fortunately, NASL's player lineup is much more superior to IGN's. No amount of production is going me care about a NA-only league. But the fact that the each NASL game means relatively nothing in the scope of the long schedule compared to a knock out (to losers bracket and then out) tournament, each game in IPL means a lot more then NASL. NASL games seem to have the same weight as watching Huk or Idra stream. Players don't even seem phased to have walk overs and drop a few games here and there. Then again, this argument would ridicule any kind of league-play. For all we know, your logic haven't kept regular sports from developing exactly said format. It is debatable whether or not you should cast all games, but in a broad perspective divisional play is for me the right way to handle any number of more than 32 players. It pleases both players and fans, keeping permeability for new players whilst maintaining long-term stability. Especially the latter would reduce risks and allow potential investors to consider putting more money into the business, which in turn can support a wider range of players to sustain their profession. I'd rather have a simple season with final play-offs than the seemingly over-complicated system of MLG.
I'm also in support of divisional play for a lot of the reasons you stated. However, a 10 man division is too much. No other league in any other sport has more than ~5ish in each division. With 10 in each, each game loses importance and its much more difficult to hype every player and game.
Also, keep in mind that this isn't really a division when compared to other sports. In other sports, members play other members of the division more than they do others in the 'league'. They compete once in the beginning of the season, again in the middle, and maybe again in the end to constantly compete for the top spot. What the NASL has is basically 5 round robin groups with 10 members in each group.
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GOOD JOB IGN!
edit: oops wrong thread.
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I'm still having problems with Justin TV
Need to get fix
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Wow... I didn't think iNcontroL would take it! I was never impressed by his PvP, but grats to him! Of course I'm also glad WhiteRa won. I was actually hoping MoMaN would get another underdog win, but at least he took a game off Darkforce. I gotta say though, I didn't see Ensnare going 2-0 against July.
Edit: Holy hell! Only 38 pages... but then again the IGN league just premiered so... I guess it's not too big of a surprise... but still. :-/ I hope both leagues can live.
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Every walkover just happened to be the most interesting match up.
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Damn I missed everything! Ugh I hate seeing another walkover and can't believe July got 2-0'd! How did this only get to 38 pages???
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On April 22 2011 13:32 kaileah wrote:
I'm also in support of divisional play for a lot of the reasons you stated. However, a 10 man division is too much. No other league in any other sport has more than ~5ish in each division. With 10 in each, each game loses importance and its much more difficult to hype every player and game.
Also, keep in mind that this isn't really a division when compared to other sports. In other sports, members play other members of the division more than they do others in the 'league'. They compete once in the beginning of the season, again in the middle, and maybe again in the end to constantly compete for the top spot. What the NASL has is basically 5 round robin groups with 10 members in each group.
I'm a little confused by what you're arguing here. How important each game is is exactly proportional to how many games are played in a season. Yes, other leagues have fewer teams per divions, but they also have (usually) many more games. A loss in NASL is going to mean more than one loss in the NFL.
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Why is this thread only 38 pages? I'm really confused.
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On April 22 2011 13:51 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Why is this thread only 38 pages? I'm really confused.
I'm afraid haters might be running people off.
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What's with all the W.Os in this tourney? =/
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On April 22 2011 13:51 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Why is this thread only 38 pages? I'm really confused.
You mean why there is not more pages of hate on justin by europeans?
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I would love to discuss the games but it seems to be the black forces fightings invisible units....
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On April 22 2011 13:19 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:41 rotegirte wrote:On April 22 2011 12:28 Nerdslayer wrote:So explain to me how I can watch IGN on best quality on justinTV but cant watch NASL at all can only use iphonequality??
So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end Implying there is one single machine equipped with a direct landline from the Justin.tv building to this thing called "Europe", thus a working IGN stream must mean a working NASL stream. Sir, have you been living under a rock? Regarding stream resolution, it is because the event organisations chose to. It is not like NASL is a 700 million $ news syndicate that is even small compared to its mother organisation FOX Media under which it runs. Ignorance is bliss. Well excuse me Mr. IT, Nerd! Im sorry i dont got a degree in "how the fecking internet works". But I do know for a fact that I coulld watch IGN at high quality and i had black screen when I tryed to watch NASL so plz explain that to me. But yea NASL track record speak for themself it coulnt possible be there fault could it? everything has went so smothly from day 1 "cough"
No degree in the world can teach you that the "fecking internet" does not run on a single machine. The same way my screen does not go black when yours does. Failing to grasp such a basic level of logic has little to do with knowledge of technology.
It may well NASL's fault. It may be on Justin.tv's end. Who knows, until we have official statements. But mind you razor-sharply concluded "So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end", which is nothing but a poor troll attempt.
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On April 22 2011 14:27 rotegirte wrote:
No degree in the world can teach you that the "fecking internet" does not run on a single machine. The same way my screen does not go black when yours does. Failing to grasp such a basic level of logic has little to do with knowledge of technology.
It may well NASL's fault. It may be on Justin.tv's end. Who knows, until we have official statements. But mind you razor-sharply concluded "So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end", which is nothing but a poor troll attempt.
You have to admit, things haven't gone very smothly.
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On April 22 2011 14:31 Fries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 14:27 rotegirte wrote:
No degree in the world can teach you that the "fecking internet" does not run on a single machine. The same way my screen does not go black when yours does. Failing to grasp such a basic level of logic has little to do with knowledge of technology.
It may well NASL's fault. It may be on Justin.tv's end. Who knows, until we have official statements. But mind you razor-sharply concluded "So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end", which is nothing but a poor troll attempt. You have to admit, things haven't gone very smothly.
I never said that. In fact, I didn't opt for a season pass myself. I do well understand current subscribers being unsatisfied.
What I can not condone, is the tone in which some are merely provoking.
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I'm sorry, maybe it's just my inexperience with following starcraft leagues but with the growing number of W.O.'s it really conveys to me that the players don't care about the league.
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On April 22 2011 14:50 Spacekyod wrote:
I'm sorry, maybe it's just my inexperience with following starcraft leagues but with the growing number of W.O.'s it really conveys to me that the players don't care about the league.
What about the statement "couldn't get on NA server" leads you to believe qxc doesn't care about the league?
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CRUNCHER GO GO!!
show incontrol some war3 skills, kaboom!
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On April 22 2011 14:50 Spacekyod wrote:
I'm sorry, maybe it's just my inexperience with following starcraft leagues but with the growing number of W.O.'s it really conveys to me that the players don't care about the league.
Ya, who cares about $50,000
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On April 22 2011 14:50 Spacekyod wrote:
I'm sorry, maybe it's just my inexperience with following starcraft leagues but with the growing number of W.O.'s it really conveys to me that the players don't care about the league.
more like early division play doesn't carry as much weight. as it should
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On April 22 2011 14:52 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 14:50 Spacekyod wrote:
I'm sorry, maybe it's just my inexperience with following starcraft leagues but with the growing number of W.O.'s it really conveys to me that the players don't care about the league. What about the statement "couldn't get on NA server" leads you to believe qxc doesn't care about the league?
What part about "Spring break" leads you to believe that he has more pressing matters than playing in a league which he had to apply to. I repeat, he applied to get into this league. I understand that it's fun to do other things in life and be social but given that he applied and was accepted into this league it has therefore become a commitment in which the maximum effort possible should be put forth.
Maybe i shouldn't judge without a statement from him first, but foresight (as with White-Ra) should've definitely been used in order for him not to have missed this game. He is in fact a "professional" gamer.
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On April 22 2011 15:25 Spacekyod wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 14:52 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 22 2011 14:50 Spacekyod wrote:
I'm sorry, maybe it's just my inexperience with following starcraft leagues but with the growing number of W.O.'s it really conveys to me that the players don't care about the league. What about the statement "couldn't get on NA server" leads you to believe qxc doesn't care about the league? What part about "Spring break" leads you to believe that he has more pressing matters than playing in a league which he had to apply to. I repeat, he applied to get into this league. I understand that it's fun to do other things in life and be social but given that he applied and was accepted into this league it has therefore become a commitment in which the maximum effort possible should be put forth. Maybe i shouldn't judge without a statement from him first, but foresight (as with White-Ra) should've definitely been used in order for him not to have missed this game. He is in fact a "professional" gamer.
Lol...the league runs for like 3 months. You're saying no player should ever take a 1 week vacation at this time? And honestly how easy do u think it is to forsee that u won't be able to play on the NA ladder, or that the euro ladder would lag so much. It's unfortunate but saying he doesn't care is ridiculous. Get real lol
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On April 22 2011 15:28 loveeholicce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 15:25 Spacekyod wrote:On April 22 2011 14:52 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 22 2011 14:50 Spacekyod wrote:
I'm sorry, maybe it's just my inexperience with following starcraft leagues but with the growing number of W.O.'s it really conveys to me that the players don't care about the league. What about the statement "couldn't get on NA server" leads you to believe qxc doesn't care about the league? What part about "Spring break" leads you to believe that he has more pressing matters than playing in a league which he had to apply to. I repeat, he applied to get into this league. I understand that it's fun to do other things in life and be social but given that he applied and was accepted into this league it has therefore become a commitment in which the maximum effort possible should be put forth. Maybe i shouldn't judge without a statement from him first, but foresight (as with White-Ra) should've definitely been used in order for him not to have missed this game. He is in fact a "professional" gamer. Lol...the league runs for like 3 months. You're saying no player should ever take a 1 week vacation at this time? And honestly how easy do u think it is to forsee that u won't be able to play on the NA ladder, or that the euro ladder would lag so much. It's unfortunate but saying he doesn't care is ridiculous. Get real lol
Damn, I think many of these players are doing this for a living, or least a part time job. If my boss says I have to be at work one day a week for 3 hours, I make myself available.
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I really didn't enjoy the casting for 2-2... =(
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On April 22 2011 15:44 Djzapz wrote:
I really didn't enjoy the casting for 2-2... =(
Why ? What was wrong with it ? What could they have improved ? Short pointless comments like that won't help fix anything.
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On April 22 2011 15:49 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 15:44 Djzapz wrote:
I really didn't enjoy the casting for 2-2... =( Why ? What was wrong with it ? What could they have improved ? Short pointless comments like that won't help fix anything.
Gratulerer med dagen
The casting was fine, it's just that the sound quality is beyond anything else.
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On April 22 2011 15:28 loveeholicce wrote:
Lol...the league runs for like 3 months. You're saying no player should ever take a 1 week vacation at this time? And honestly how easy do u think it is to forsee that u won't be able to play on the NA ladder, or that the euro ladder would lag so much. It's unfortunate but saying he doesn't care is ridiculous. Get real lol
No one in the realm of professional sports just takes breaks whenever they feel like it because they have built a big enough lead over the competition or it's early enough in the season that it won't hurt them all that much. Ok, maybe sc2 isn't to that point yet but isn't that the point of this league? To get it there. To be taken seriously and further E-sports. As a professional, being paid by a team and representing that team, how professional is it to miss any matches that you have committed to. Or am i wrong in calling qxc a professional gamer.
If this were just some game being played for fun you would not see these posts from me. But there is big money involved in this and plans on growing it into a mainstay.
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On April 22 2011 15:53 Spacekyod wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 15:28 loveeholicce wrote:
Lol...the league runs for like 3 months. You're saying no player should ever take a 1 week vacation at this time? And honestly how easy do u think it is to forsee that u won't be able to play on the NA ladder, or that the euro ladder would lag so much. It's unfortunate but saying he doesn't care is ridiculous. Get real lol No one in the realm of professional sports just takes breaks whenever they feel like it because they have built a big enough lead over the competition or it's early enough in the season that it won't hurt them all that much. Ok, maybe sc2 isn't to that point yet but isn't that the point of this league? To get it there. To be taken seriously and further E-sports. As a professional, being paid by a team and representing that team, how professional is it to miss any matches that you have committed to. Or am i wrong in calling qxc a professional gamer. If this were just some game being played for fun you would not see these posts from me. But there is big money involved in this and plans on growing it into a mainstay.
Took the words right out of my mouth. The fact that this portion is all online... it really does not compute that over two days QXC couldn't find a solution.
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On April 22 2011 15:28 loveeholicce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 15:25 Spacekyod wrote:On April 22 2011 14:52 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 22 2011 14:50 Spacekyod wrote:
I'm sorry, maybe it's just my inexperience with following starcraft leagues but with the growing number of W.O.'s it really conveys to me that the players don't care about the league. What about the statement "couldn't get on NA server" leads you to believe qxc doesn't care about the league? What part about "Spring break" leads you to believe that he has more pressing matters than playing in a league which he had to apply to. I repeat, he applied to get into this league. I understand that it's fun to do other things in life and be social but given that he applied and was accepted into this league it has therefore become a commitment in which the maximum effort possible should be put forth. Maybe i shouldn't judge without a statement from him first, but foresight (as with White-Ra) should've definitely been used in order for him not to have missed this game. He is in fact a "professional" gamer. Lol...the league runs for like 3 months. You're saying no player should ever take a 1 week vacation at this time?
With the big tennis tournaments coming up, are you honestly saying that professionals trying to win, say, French Open, schedule their holidays right at the time of the tournament?
Yes, NASL runs for a long time, bug cmon now, Spring Break must be the most ridiculous excuse for missing a playday...like....ever.
Also I'm not a professional athlete and just a random real-life-job-joe, and I can't even remember the last time when I had one whole week vacation (I think it was last year July though). Also QXC is even still studying, which is like 10 times less exhausting than having a job.
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IF NASL manages to fix all the problems it could really take off I think. Sub-par casting like Gretorp inventing words that dont exist constantly could actually be funny, but the thing is that he is serious when he invents these words and not joking around. Words like Disadvantagable, protectionistical and Colosisms dont really exist....but it was kind of funny that Gretorp thinks they do!
It would be awesome to get some Total Biscuit casting for sure! As for the rest, I have to admit I am greatly enjoying my subscription to NASL and watch it every night that I can. I really hope that they manage to get some sponsors and enough subscriptions to make the show a little bit more professional because lets face it- NASL has the best damn line-up out there and the games have been amazing!
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I cant even access the vods, what the hell ?
There is something seriously wrong at justin tv or nasl .........
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On April 22 2011 20:56 Lightwish01 wrote:
IF NASL manages to fix all the problems it could really take off I think. Sub-par casting like Gretorp inventing words that dont exist constantly could actually be funny, but the thing is that he is serious when he invents these words and not joking around. Words like Disadvantagable, protectionistical and Colosisms dont really exist....but it was kind of funny that Gretorp thinks they do!
It would be awesome to get some Total Biscuit casting for sure! As for the rest, I have to admit I am greatly enjoying my subscription to NASL and watch it every night that I can. I really hope that they manage to get some sponsors and enough subscriptions to make the show a little bit more professional because lets face it- NASL has the best damn line-up out there and the games have been amazing!
Im not a huge gretorp fan, but if totalbiscuit is brought in I will stop watching. Khaldor is good enough 2th caster, and diggity was great.
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nice Incontrol that u beat Cruncher!
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On April 22 2011 21:40 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 20:56 Lightwish01 wrote:
IF NASL manages to fix all the problems it could really take off I think. Sub-par casting like Gretorp inventing words that dont exist constantly could actually be funny, but the thing is that he is serious when he invents these words and not joking around. Words like Disadvantagable, protectionistical and Colosisms dont really exist....but it was kind of funny that Gretorp thinks they do!
It would be awesome to get some Total Biscuit casting for sure! As for the rest, I have to admit I am greatly enjoying my subscription to NASL and watch it every night that I can. I really hope that they manage to get some sponsors and enough subscriptions to make the show a little bit more professional because lets face it- NASL has the best damn line-up out there and the games have been amazing!
Im not a huge gretorp fan, but if totalbiscuit is brought in I will stop watching. Khaldor is good enough 2th caster, and diggity was great.
I don't have a problem with Gretorp, but I completely agree that if TotalBiscuit is casting I won't be watching any of those games. I do like the effort that he puts into casting and seems to put into trying to improve but it just isn't my cup of tea.
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50 players playing a game every week.It's not unrealistic to think that conflicts will come up fairly frequently over the course of the season. These are people with busy schedules and this is not their only event. We lament that GSL is the only game in Korea, by and large, and if we feel that way, then we have to accept that foreigners who have far more options available to them will at times have conflicts.
Don't think it reflects on the league itself, it more just reflects on the format of the league. Also, people feel they can make a comeback later in the regular season. I don't know how easy that will be, but it is what it is.
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Wow incontrol your tearing it up.
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On April 22 2011 15:28 loveeholicce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 15:25 Spacekyod wrote:On April 22 2011 14:52 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 22 2011 14:50 Spacekyod wrote:
I'm sorry, maybe it's just my inexperience with following starcraft leagues but with the growing number of W.O.'s it really conveys to me that the players don't care about the league. What about the statement "couldn't get on NA server" leads you to believe qxc doesn't care about the league? What part about "Spring break" leads you to believe that he has more pressing matters than playing in a league which he had to apply to. I repeat, he applied to get into this league. I understand that it's fun to do other things in life and be social but given that he applied and was accepted into this league it has therefore become a commitment in which the maximum effort possible should be put forth. Maybe i shouldn't judge without a statement from him first, but foresight (as with White-Ra) should've definitely been used in order for him not to have missed this game. He is in fact a "professional" gamer. Lol...the league runs for like 3 months. You're saying no player should ever take a 1 week vacation at this time? And honestly how easy do u think it is to forsee that u won't be able to play on the NA ladder, or that the euro ladder would lag so much. It's unfortunate but saying he doesn't care is ridiculous. Get real lol
I forget exactly how many total weeks the season runs,but assuming its 3 months like posted above...taking a 1 week break is hardly manageable. 3 months is sorta misleading when you consider that is only 12 matches. Taking a 0-2 ( negative 2 points) for a week in a division with July, White-Ra, Sjow, and Incontrol seems very tough to come back from. This combined with his first week loss of getting 2-0'd by Moman who was a darkhorse into the tournament really puts QXC in a bad position. Now he has 10 games to find his way into the top 3 for his division and with the names on that list its not easy to do that.
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If the players arent taking the league seriously its their own loss, because someone is going to walk away with a shitload of money.
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Any1 else from europe not able to watch the vods? I just get a black screen. Been trying on multiple computers.
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On April 22 2011 16:47 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 15:28 loveeholicce wrote:On April 22 2011 15:25 Spacekyod wrote:On April 22 2011 14:52 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On April 22 2011 14:50 Spacekyod wrote:
I'm sorry, maybe it's just my inexperience with following starcraft leagues but with the growing number of W.O.'s it really conveys to me that the players don't care about the league. What about the statement "couldn't get on NA server" leads you to believe qxc doesn't care about the league? What part about "Spring break" leads you to believe that he has more pressing matters than playing in a league which he had to apply to. I repeat, he applied to get into this league. I understand that it's fun to do other things in life and be social but given that he applied and was accepted into this league it has therefore become a commitment in which the maximum effort possible should be put forth. Maybe i shouldn't judge without a statement from him first, but foresight (as with White-Ra) should've definitely been used in order for him not to have missed this game. He is in fact a "professional" gamer. Lol...the league runs for like 3 months. You're saying no player should ever take a 1 week vacation at this time? With the big tennis tournaments coming up, are you honestly saying that professionals trying to win, say, French Open, schedule their holidays right at the time of the tournament? Yes, NASL runs for a long time, bug cmon now, Spring Break must be the most ridiculous excuse for missing a playday...like....ever. Also I'm not a professional athlete and just a random real-life-job-joe, and I can't even remember the last time when I had one whole week vacation (I think it was last year July though). Also QXC is even still studying, which is like 10 times less exhausting than having a job.
With a tennis tournament you actually need to be present at the arena to play, with starcraft you don't so the comparison is silly. QXC thought he would be able to get on the NA server from where he was, but as it turned out he wasnt. It's unfortunate yes, and he probably won't be going on spring breaks anymore when he has an important match to play, but again it's not like he thought this would happen. Let's not blow this out of proportion and say he doesn't care and esports is gonna die.
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I dont care about the NASL anymore. If could I would get my 25$ back. So not what I expected of this tournament. Switching to IPL in my 3 tournaments that I watch(GSL and TSL aswell). Maybe if the sound quality improves to the standard of IPL I will watch again.
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How do they already know the results ??? The spoiler said + Show Spoiler [RESULTS] +Darkforce>Moman 2-1, White-Ra> Sjow 2-1, iNcontrol>Cruncher 2-1 and Ensare>July 2-0
User was warned for this post
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Where are they vods? Only like 2 vods from wednesday and none from thursday
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On April 23 2011 01:07 BilltownRunner wrote:Where are they vods? Only like 2 vods from wednesday and none from thursday
Ya where area the vod's? I wanted to watch the White-Ra Sjow games
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On April 23 2011 01:02 sieuquandui wrote:
How do they already know the results ??? The spoiler said Darkforce>Moman 2-1, White-Ra> Sjow 2-1, iNcontrol>Cruncher 2-1 and Ensare>July 2-0
Because this was already streamed last night for North American viewers. What you're watching now is a re-stream for European viewers.
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On April 23 2011 01:14 Broodlings wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 01:07 BilltownRunner wrote:Where are they vods? Only like 2 vods from wednesday and none from thursday Ya where area the vod's? I wanted to watch the White-Ra Sjow games
Not sure if they plan on changing this, but they've said before that they wait until after the Europe re-stream to post VODs.
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On April 22 2011 12:28 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 12:27 mathsucks wrote:On April 22 2011 12:25 Nerdslayer wrote:
Stop saying its justinTV fault when i can watch IGN perfectly on justinTV im watching both tournaments atm well only 1 since i got black screen from NASL!!
I'm watching NASL (and was watching IPL) at 1080p. I'm in the US though. Seems everyone in EU is having an issue. Again, not NASL's fault...unless you know something that we dont about streaming and blocking out a region purposefully...? So explain to me how I can watch IGN on best quality on justinTV but cant watch NASL at all can only use iphonequality?? So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end
It seems the issue with justin.tv might have to do with this:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gp4t6c2jaVZIy4tolnKFMcdPUhxg?docId=1a2f6eebf38549379970883a66b242a5
Amazon's servers are having issues, and justin.tv is (supposedly) hosted on Amazon's servers...soo...it's entirely likely they were having service interruptions, and are continuing to. My point was that there was no need to point fingers directly at NASL when you have no clue what the issue was. Saying "So its defiantly not justinTV its on NASL end" with no reason for it is just spreading misinformation.
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On April 22 2011 15:53 Spacekyod wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 15:28 loveeholicce wrote:
Lol...the league runs for like 3 months. You're saying no player should ever take a 1 week vacation at this time? And honestly how easy do u think it is to forsee that u won't be able to play on the NA ladder, or that the euro ladder would lag so much. It's unfortunate but saying he doesn't care is ridiculous. Get real lol No one in the realm of professional sports just takes breaks whenever they feel like it because they have built a big enough lead over the competition or it's early enough in the season that it won't hurt them all that much. Ok, maybe sc2 isn't to that point yet but isn't that the point of this league? To get it there. To be taken seriously and further E-sports. As a professional, being paid by a team and representing that team, how professional is it to miss any matches that you have committed to. Or am i wrong in calling qxc a professional gamer. If this were just some game being played for fun you would not see these posts from me. But there is big money involved in this and plans on growing it into a mainstay.
Professional athletes take games off all of the time, in all sports actually. So, your point isn't too strong. Having said that, playing 3 games 1 night a week is more doable than a baseball player say, playing games 6 days in a row. That's when they take their days off. I am surprised at the amount of walkovers this early on, but I figured it would be an issue when considering the massive schedule that corresponds with the league.
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If you "follow" them on justin.tv, you'll get notified by email when they go live and post vods...
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On April 23 2011 01:02 sieuquandui wrote:How do they already know the results ??? + Show Spoiler +The spoiler said Darkforce>Moman 2-1, White-Ra> Sjow 2-1, iNcontrol>Cruncher 2-1 and Ensare>July 2-0
Nice job spoiling it the others..
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On April 23 2011 01:48 RogueStatus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 15:53 Spacekyod wrote:On April 22 2011 15:28 loveeholicce wrote:
Lol...the league runs for like 3 months. You're saying no player should ever take a 1 week vacation at this time? And honestly how easy do u think it is to forsee that u won't be able to play on the NA ladder, or that the euro ladder would lag so much. It's unfortunate but saying he doesn't care is ridiculous. Get real lol No one in the realm of professional sports just takes breaks whenever they feel like it because they have built a big enough lead over the competition or it's early enough in the season that it won't hurt them all that much. Ok, maybe sc2 isn't to that point yet but isn't that the point of this league? To get it there. To be taken seriously and further E-sports. As a professional, being paid by a team and representing that team, how professional is it to miss any matches that you have committed to. Or am i wrong in calling qxc a professional gamer. If this were just some game being played for fun you would not see these posts from me. But there is big money involved in this and plans on growing it into a mainstay. Professional athletes take games off all of the time, in all sports actually. So, your point isn't too strong. Having said that, playing 3 games 1 night a week is more doable than a baseball player say, playing games 6 days in a row. That's when they take their days off. I am surprised at the amount of walkovers this early on, but I figured it would be an issue when considering the massive schedule that corresponds with the league.
Players take weeks off throughout a season, teams don't. Since this is an individual league a player taking a break and not playing a game would be like a team not playing a game.
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Gogo iNcontroL! pwn CrunCher :D
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Picture quality is good but the framerate is really low
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On April 23 2011 01:57 pikkumyy wrote:Picture quality is good but the framerate is really low
Try bringing down the quality. 360/480 seem perfect for me.
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Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes.
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On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes.
The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can.
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Not really a fan of hatch first in ZvZ on a map with a wide ramp.
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On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can.
I know who the IGN is. I could produce a better tournament than the NASL. A 12 year old with a pirated version of Photoshop and a $20 web cam could probably do a better job.
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On April 23 2011 01:59 Helluva wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 01:57 pikkumyy wrote:Picture quality is good but the framerate is really low Try bringing down the quality. 360/480 seem perfect for me.
Looks like was some problem with Opera, framerate is good on Chrome.
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On April 23 2011 02:13 SKaREO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can. I know who the IGN is. I could produce a better tournament than the NASL. A 12 year old with a pirated version of Photoshop and a $20 web cam could probably do a better job.
Don't be shy then and go ahead, the more well produced tournaments we get to see the better.
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The stream doesn't work for all for me on any quality. I've watched a still screen for about 3 minutes now and gone through 4 commercials (they seem to work).
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On April 23 2011 02:21 DX_4 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:13 SKaREO wrote:On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can. I know who the IGN is. I could produce a better tournament than the NASL. A 12 year old with a pirated version of Photoshop and a $20 web cam could probably do a better job. Don't be shy then and go ahead, the more well produced tournaments we get to see the better.
What a fucking idiot. Guess he thinks all you have to do to run a tournament is turn on the stream and talk into a mike.
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On April 23 2011 02:27 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:21 DX_4 wrote:On April 23 2011 02:13 SKaREO wrote:On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can. I know who the IGN is. I could produce a better tournament than the NASL. A 12 year old with a pirated version of Photoshop and a $20 web cam could probably do a better job. Don't be shy then and go ahead, the more well produced tournaments we get to see the better. What a fucking idiot. Guess he thinks all you have to do to run a tournament is turn on the stream and talk into a mike.
It's easier to talk the talk...
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On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can.
Yeah, but you realize that simply saying they are owned by a large corporation doesn't mean that much.
If you've seen the statements and posts from IGN, it's largely a team of 5-6 people with a number of volunteers. Additionally, yeah they have access to other departments but it's hardly a given that their production quality should be as incredible as it is.
You don't know how involved Fox is in this at all, I doubt anyone outside of IGN actually had a budget placed on this and anyone at Fox really knows what the fuck the IPL is. All we know is what's been said, they have a team of 5-6 guys, some volunteers and get some help and overview from other departments at IGN but nothing major.
Does the TSL also have a news corporation behind them? I dunno, man... but it keeps me up at night.
Edit: Want to point out that I'm not really ragging on the NASL, just thought that this statement was kind of silly since numerous leagues in the past have been able to maintain solid production quality.
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did darkforce win or lose -- -.- ?
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On April 23 2011 02:28 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can. Yeah, but you realize that simply saying they are owned by a large corporation doesn't mean that much. If you've seen the statements and posts from IGN, it's largely a team of 5-6 people with a number of volunteers. Additionally, yeah they have access to other departments but it's hardly a given that their production quality should be as incredible as it is. You don't know how involved Fox is in this at all, I doubt anyone outside of IGN actually had a budget placed on this and anyone at Fox really knows what the fuck the IPL is. All we know is what's been said, they have a team of 5-6 guys, some volunteers and get some help and overview from other departments at IGN but nothing major. Does the TSL also have a news corporation behind them? I dunno, man... but it keeps me up at night. Edit: Want to point out that I'm not really ragging on the NASL, just thought that this statement was kind of silly since numerous leagues in the past have been able to maintain solid production quality.
I wasn't implying to do research on what their budget is, I was saying to check out who they're backed by. The difference I'm inferring is that IGN had a budget that they could fight for...NASL is starting from scratch with what they could put together on their own.
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Was I the only one without a working stream for the past couple minutes?
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
no, stream was down and i didn't see game 3...
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On April 23 2011 02:34 The KY wrote:
Was I the only one without a working stream for the past couple minutes?
Nope. Didn't see the conclusion of game 3 at all.
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On April 23 2011 02:34 The KY wrote:
Was I the only one without a working stream for the past couple minutes?
Nope. Missed almost the entire game 3 between darkforce and moman.
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On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can.
I believe somewhere in this thread TB addressed this type of comment. He said something along the lines... IGN didn't just constantly throw money at the project and expect a good product... but the that people working on IPL are very talented.
Think about it. How much money does it take for someone to simply NOT include things like when Gretorp said Ret played terribly after he thought the mic was off. Does that really take more money to fix... or does it just require someone to be more aware? What about when they put the games out of order which ended up spoiling one of the other series? Again... does that require more money, or do they just need to pay more attention and edit things properly?
I am not saying fixing all the small things would bring the NASL up to par with the IPL but at the same time they wouldn't be blown out of the water by them.
On April 23 2011 02:13 SKaREO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can. I know who the IGN is. I could produce a better tournament than the NASL. A 12 year old with a pirated version of Photoshop and a $20 web cam could probably do a better job.
Why even bother with that kind of a comment when it's clearly not true. IPL is definitely doing better than the NASL... that being said you don't have to claim that they are doing just about the worst job possible.
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On April 23 2011 02:34 mathsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:28 Mordiford wrote:On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can. Yeah, but you realize that simply saying they are owned by a large corporation doesn't mean that much. If you've seen the statements and posts from IGN, it's largely a team of 5-6 people with a number of volunteers. Additionally, yeah they have access to other departments but it's hardly a given that their production quality should be as incredible as it is. You don't know how involved Fox is in this at all, I doubt anyone outside of IGN actually had a budget placed on this and anyone at Fox really knows what the fuck the IPL is. All we know is what's been said, they have a team of 5-6 guys, some volunteers and get some help and overview from other departments at IGN but nothing major. Does the TSL also have a news corporation behind them? I dunno, man... but it keeps me up at night. Edit: Want to point out that I'm not really ragging on the NASL, just thought that this statement was kind of silly since numerous leagues in the past have been able to maintain solid production quality. I wasn't implying to do research on what their budget is, I was saying to check out who they're backed by. The difference I'm inferring is that IGN had a budget that they could fight for...NASL is starting from scratch with what they could put together on their own.
In fairness we have no idea what the budget of NASL is, but I'm fairly certain that the IPL has more staff.
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On April 23 2011 02:34 The KY wrote:
Was I the only one without a working stream for the past couple minutes?
No; I had the same problem but a refresh solved it
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On April 23 2011 02:35 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can. I believe somewhere in this thread TB addressed this type of comment. He said something along the lines... IGN didn't just constantly throw money at the project and expect a good product... but the that people working on IPL are very talented. Think about it. How much money does it take for someone to simply NOT include things like when Gretorp said Ret played terribly after he thought the mic was off. Does that really take more money to fix... or does it just require someone to be more aware? What about when they put the games out of order which ended up spoiling one of the other series? Again... does that require more money, or do they just need to pay more attention and edit things properly? I am not saying fixing all the small things would bring the NASL up to par with the IPL but at the same time they wouldn't be blown out of the water by them.
Better people cost money, is my point.
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Personally I find that NASL and IGN both bring something different to the table. Afaik IGN does not have post game analysis and "studio talk". I for one love InControl and Gretorp's briefings/debriefings. Also IGN is running a tournament setup, while NASL is a constantly ongoing league. Support them both please.
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I'm having lag again. I really try to be supportive and having patience with it until they improve, but they are puting it so fucking difficult.
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Trying to watch the EU stream and its just frozen and won't restart for me. Anyone else having this problem?
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On April 23 2011 02:38 Nifel wrote:
Personally I find that NASL and IGN both bring something different to the table. Afaik IGN does not have post game analysis and "studio talk". I for one love InControl and Gretorp's briefings/debriefings. Also IGN is running a tournament setup, while NASL is a constantly ongoing league. Support them both please.
Yes please...it's rare that things are going to be perfect, but when they do go perfectly, it's not necessary to be dicks to those whom it isn't working perfectly for. At least they're doing something to promote the things we love, right?
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On April 23 2011 02:38 Nifel wrote:
Personally I find that NASL and IGN both bring something different to the table. Afaik IGN does not have post game analysis and "studio talk". I for one love InControl and Gretorp's briefings/debriefings. Also IGN is running a tournament setup, while NASL is a constantly ongoing league. Support them both please.
The way I see it, IGN brings great A/V but lackluster content and NASL brings great games and commentary but an unstable stream / bad audio. I foresee one of those two things being fixed in the future.
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On April 23 2011 02:28 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can. Yeah, but you realize that simply saying they are owned by a large corporation doesn't mean that much. If you've seen the statements and posts from IGN, it's largely a team of 5-6 people with a number of volunteers. Additionally, yeah they have access to other departments but it's hardly a given that their production quality should be as incredible as it is. You don't know how involved Fox is in this at all, I doubt anyone outside of IGN actually had a budget placed on this and anyone at Fox really knows what the fuck the IPL is. All we know is what's been said, they have a team of 5-6 guys, some volunteers and get some help and overview from other departments at IGN but nothing major. Does the TSL also have a news corporation behind them? I dunno, man... but it keeps me up at night. Edit: Want to point out that I'm not really ragging on the NASL, just thought that this statement was kind of silly since numerous leagues in the past have been able to maintain solid production quality.
The infastruction IGN provides is a huge boost to IGN Pro League that the NASL just didn't have. IGN already had the equipment to compile/edit videos before they decided to start the league. NASL did not and they have to build everything from the ground up.
Also, from what I have seen the IGN pro league is just a series of VOD created by casters that already do their own recording. So IGN basicly had Total Bisket, DJ Wheat and the rest record some VOD, send them in and then edited them with high quality transitions.
The NASL is recording all of their videos live, while watching the games live. That is a much harder thing to do and there are going to be more bumps along the road. And they make around 20-25 hours of content a week, which is insane.
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On April 23 2011 02:38 mathsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:35 Chicane wrote:On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can. I believe somewhere in this thread TB addressed this type of comment. He said something along the lines... IGN didn't just constantly throw money at the project and expect a good product... but the that people working on IPL are very talented. Think about it. How much money does it take for someone to simply NOT include things like when Gretorp said Ret played terribly after he thought the mic was off. Does that really take more money to fix... or does it just require someone to be more aware? What about when they put the games out of order which ended up spoiling one of the other series? Again... does that require more money, or do they just need to pay more attention and edit things properly? I am not saying fixing all the small things would bring the NASL up to par with the IPL but at the same time they wouldn't be blown out of the water by them. Better people cost money, is my point.
The production crew on IGN is wellplayed.org; they're all volunteers, none of whom have a professional background in the field, and their production efforts for this were done in their spare time.
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On the actual subject of the NASL, were the only recommended games from the day really from the Cruncher vs Incontrol series?
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Lol guys fucking relax he said a 12 year old can do it. He is obviously 11.
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On April 23 2011 02:44 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 02:38 mathsucks wrote:On April 23 2011 02:35 Chicane wrote:On April 23 2011 02:05 mathsucks wrote:On April 23 2011 02:00 SKaREO wrote:
Wow the IPL just blew this production right out of the water. GG
NASL staff, turn on the IPL and take notes. The IPL is also backed by News Corp, do some research if you don't know who they are (Fox, Fox News, etc)...NASL doesn't have the financial backing that IPL does, but if we support them, they can. I believe somewhere in this thread TB addressed this type of comment. He said something along the lines... IGN didn't just constantly throw money at the project and expect a good product... but the that people working on IPL are very talented. Think about it. How much money does it take for someone to simply NOT include things like when Gretorp said Ret played terribly after he thought the mic was off. Does that really take more money to fix... or does it just require someone to be more aware? What about when they put the games out of order which ended up spoiling one of the other series? Again... does that require more money, or do they just need to pay more attention and edit things properly? I am not saying fixing all the small things would bring the NASL up to par with the IPL but at the same time they wouldn't be blown out of the water by them. Better people cost money, is my point. The production crew on IGN is wellplayed.org; they're all volunteers, none of whom have a professional background in the field, and their production efforts for this were done in their spare time. ==== On the actual subject of the NASL, were the only recommended games from the day really from the Cruncher vs Incontrol series?
Well, color me wrong
The Cruncher v Incontrol was the best series, imo...Game 3 especially after game 2's attempts...I did like the white-ra/sjow series too.
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Sjow finding out why tanks are bad against colossi; you gotta siege tanks. You don't gotta siege colossi.
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Sjow needs less siege tanks here and more MM.
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Audio is pretty rubbish. Otherwise stream is actually great. Now let's hope there's no awful editing mistakes and it'll be a good day for NASL ^_-
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On April 23 2011 02:38 Nifel wrote:
Personally I find that NASL and IGN both bring something different to the table. Afaik IGN does not have post game analysis and "studio talk". I for one love InControl and Gretorp's briefings/debriefings. Also IGN is running a tournament setup, while NASL is a constantly ongoing league. Support them both please.
I agree. Incontrol and gretorp casting is seriously being underrated. They bring so much just from their skill and experience. Considering NASL is showing great games with superb casting I'm willing to overlook the technical difficulties for now.
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Just a question have nasl said anything specific about stopping this constant frame skipping/black screens?
On a more positive note i really do enjoy the nasl casters each brings a nice input to each game with their expertise or just good casting skills.
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Warp Prisms: Underutilised.
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Nice play by White-Ra! Really using his Colossus well.
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I could listen to White-Ra talk all day.
Sjow needs to practice advancing with siege tanks it seems, both games ra won Sjow was caught completely out of position.
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YES! White-Ra said special taktiks!
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White-Ra is such a baller
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wow really impressed with coLcruncher play + control. easly top 5 in north america. 
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Stream so laggy, sucks that this is almost unwatchable.
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Why is this so laggy?
*edit*
You know I'm not even going to bother watching this, it's so laggy.
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apparently there is a million and one excuses why it lags so much,.. STILL hasn't been fixed half way through the second week ><
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unwatchable
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Five times I have tried to watch NASL and every time it laggs like shit. So much for 100Mbit fiber :/
I want to watch and support NASL, but first i need to be able to watch the games!
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douchebag NASL:
Rebroadcasting for EU
Unwatchable because of lag.
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You've heard it many times, but this really is very laggy.
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It's blinking for me but not lagging.
try to disable chat, if u'r watching at justin.tv directly. it's a bit better to watch there
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Only 800 replies for this thread (used to be 3000). Its going down from all the hypes. Now, every game is like the other games. No game looks important. No upset. No one is going to the next round. No one gets butt kicked out of tournament by another player.
IGN ftw.
User was warned for this post
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Khaldor with som pretty good insights and knowledge! Love it.
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Cruncher seems to have terrible macro.
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Meh.
It's so laggy I can't stand to watch it, not even on 240p or at justin.tv with chat disabled and it's been like this every single time I've seen it.
But it doesn't even really matter, I'm not interested in any of these matches at all. I'm not sure why but what omegan said in a post above me rings pretty true:
On April 23 2011 03:59 omegan wrote:
Only 800 replies for this thread (used to be 3000). Its going down from all the hypes. Now, every game is like the other games. No game looks important. No upset. No one is going to the next round. No one gets butt kicked out of tournament by another player.
IGN ftw.
I might get a little bit excited when a favorite player is playing, but that's diminishing too. It's just a lot more fun to watch the GSL, TSL, hell I'm even more excited for MLG (although they always disappoint me to no end). I'm not sure what to do? Perhaps if the stream was watchable I'd be more interested but as it's no - I don't really care anymore. And that's sad as hell.
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Finally got to see the pheonix gameplay in PvP that Incontrol been hyping so dammn much in SOTG
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Incontrol should just have typed
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Huh. I've just started to love Cruncher. He's the new Oops.Reach!
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woot incontrol!! so happy to see you win (especially over cruncher ^^). idra has been avenged!
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On April 23 2011 03:59 omegan wrote:
Only 800 replies for this thread (used to be 3000). Its going down from all the hypes. Now, every game is like the other games. No game looks important. No upset. No one is going to the next round. No one gets butt kicked out of tournament by another player.
IGN ftw.
Can pretty much guarantee that when ro16 comes with all games played at a studio that the numbers will explode. Ign brought 16 players to their studios to make content and people are calling it the best production. Just wait till NASL goes live in the flesh no prerecording and people physically there.
congrats to incontrol!
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On April 23 2011 04:09 Integra wrote:
Finally got to see the pheonix gameplay in PvP that Incontrol been hyping so dammn much in SOTG
wow good memory sir !
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Does anyone know if these games are played on the Korean servers? I thought NASL had said games had to be played on the NA server, but they might make an exception for two Koreans, I guess.
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Khaldor is AWESOME!
Gretorp .. well .. let's not get banned again.
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Grumbels, do you really believe it's live?
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On April 23 2011 04:20 Vo-one wrote:Grumbels, do you really believe it's live?
No, I'm wondering on what server these games are played.
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On April 23 2011 04:22 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 04:20 Vo-one wrote:Grumbels, do you really believe it's live? No, I'm wondering on what server these games are played.
NA i think because of the name of their account.
also isn't the StarTale tag ST_ with an underscore? if yes july only use STjuly
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Why do people hate Gretorp this much?
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On April 23 2011 04:22 Grumbels wrote:
No, I'm wondering on what server these games are played.
I hope too as you do - at the most suitable one for both sides to play and to record it.
But since there was not korean lang.bnet on the screen, it's not korean...
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nah... korean games were not interesting at all
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That was really disappointing play from July.
His lack of patience really messed him up there.
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"Big move by July" - hahaha
The NASL can be such a great thing- too bad of the quality of show, but i'll bet it will improve on next editions, I mean, there are the best players in the world, so, gogo NASL
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NASL is way too analytical. They spend so much time on map and game analysis. IGN casters may not have the best game knowledge but I'm having so much more fun watching it. NASL should think of SC more as ENTERTAINMENT. Just sayin.
And the sound quality needs to be fixed
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On April 23 2011 04:36 laguu wrote:
NASL is way too analytical. They spend so much time on map and game analysis. IGN casters may not have the best game knowledge but I'm having so much more fun watching it. NASL should think of SC more as ENTERTAINMENT. Just sayin.
And the sound quality needs to be fixed
No. Absolutely not. Competitive starcraft (or ANY game for that matter) didn't get big because people made it entertaining. Its a competitive game. its about the competition and about the game. Players compete to find out who's the best of the best. And spectators watch because of that alone. If you are looking to purely be entertained go watch reality TV or some other over-produced crap. Please think about what you are trying to say...
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On April 23 2011 04:45 Zeri wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 04:36 laguu wrote:
NASL is way too analytical. They spend so much time on map and game analysis. IGN casters may not have the best game knowledge but I'm having so much more fun watching it. NASL should think of SC more as ENTERTAINMENT. Just sayin.
And the sound quality needs to be fixed No. Absolutely not. Competitive starcraft (or ANY game for that matter) didn't get big because people made it entertaining. Its a competitive game. its about the competition and about the game. Players compete to find out who's the best of the best. And spectators watch because of that alone. If you are looking to purely be entertained go watch reality TV or some other over-produced crap. Please think about what you are trying to say...
Hes right your thinking too small. The amount of people that like what your talking about amounts to about half of the Starcraft community that watches reports right now maybe. Wich amount to about 50k max watching a tournament at any given time ( usually it's far less. The 8k people that like that style watching the nasl yesterday ( and I'm sure some of the ones watching would just prefer entertainment) is a really small number in the grand scheme of things if reports wants to succeed it needs to find a nice middle ground ( like ipl) just because it's what you want doesn't mean that it's what most of the casual sc player or just a casual gamer in general who doesn't play sc2 but is interested in watching it wants.
So I think you wrong in that regard more analytical may keep viewers but it's not gonna bring in new ones. NASL will not survive with it's current rating for very long i mean destiny gets about ad many viewers as nasl does. I think if nasl is pulling in less than 30k viewers a night in the coming months it will be very unlikely that it will succeed. Gsl wc had 300,000 viewers live and even that isn't considered incredible at Least for Korea,. So nasl can try to appeal to a minority and fail or find a middle ground appeal to a greater majority and hopefully succeed if they ever fix all the other issues plaguing the league
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On April 23 2011 04:45 Zeri wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 04:36 laguu wrote:
NASL is way too analytical. They spend so much time on map and game analysis. IGN casters may not have the best game knowledge but I'm having so much more fun watching it. NASL should think of SC more as ENTERTAINMENT. Just sayin.
And the sound quality needs to be fixed No. Absolutely not. Competitive starcraft (or ANY game for that matter) didn't get big because people made it entertaining. Its a competitive game. its about the competition and about the game. Players compete to find out who's the best of the best. And spectators watch because of that alone. If you are looking to purely be entertained go watch reality TV or some other over-produced crap. Please think about what you are trying to say...
Jesus, man. Read my post again. I didn't say they should change it completely, rather adjust.
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Also these live report threads are getting smaller and smaller only 45 pages angst later defenetly shows a dwindling interest in the league
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On April 23 2011 04:12 T0fuuu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 03:59 omegan wrote:
Only 800 replies for this thread (used to be 3000). Its going down from all the hypes. Now, every game is like the other games. No game looks important. No upset. No one is going to the next round. No one gets butt kicked out of tournament by another player.
IGN ftw. Can pretty much guarantee that when ro16 comes with all games played at a studio that the numbers will explode. Ign brought 16 players to their studios to make content and people are calling it the best production. Just wait till NASL goes live in the flesh no prerecording and people physically there. congrats to incontrol!
Round of 16 happens over a weekend it represents a very small portion of the league time wise
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wow. didnt watch much yesterday but watching a vod right now, sound quality is soooo terrible, i dont think i can even be bothered to watch =/ such an echoing tin sounding VOD.
Gawww NASL has the players why cant they deliver on the production, know what would be awesome seeing all the players from NASL in IPl. Because in terms of everything but the player pool IPL > NASL
IPL season 2 will be sweet though because all but 4 players have to qualify, wich is way more exciting IMO having qualifiers
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On April 23 2011 05:00 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 04:45 Zeri wrote:On April 23 2011 04:36 laguu wrote:
NASL is way too analytical. They spend so much time on map and game analysis. IGN casters may not have the best game knowledge but I'm having so much more fun watching it. NASL should think of SC more as ENTERTAINMENT. Just sayin.
And the sound quality needs to be fixed No. Absolutely not. Competitive starcraft (or ANY game for that matter) didn't get big because people made it entertaining. Its a competitive game. its about the competition and about the game. Players compete to find out who's the best of the best. And spectators watch because of that alone. If you are looking to purely be entertained go watch reality TV or some other over-produced crap. Please think about what you are trying to say... Hes right your thinking too small. The amount of people that like what your talking about amounts to about half of the Starcraft community that watches reports right now maybe. Wich amount to about 50k max watching a tournament at any given time ( usually it's far less. The 8k people that like that style watching the nasl yesterday ( and I'm sure some of the ones watching would just prefer entertainment) is a really small number in the grand scheme of things if reports wants to succeed it needs to find a nice middle ground ( like ipl) just because it's what you want doesn't mean that it's what most of the casual sc player or just a casual gamer in general who doesn't play sc2 but is interested in watching it wants. So I think you wrong in that regard more analytical may keep viewers but it's not gonna bring in new ones. NASL will not survive with it's current rating for very long i mean destiny gets about ad many viewers as nasl does. I think if nasl is pulling in less than 30k viewers a night in the coming months it will be very unlikely that it will succeed. Gsl wc had 300,000 viewers live and even that isn't considered incredible at Least for Korea,. So nasl can try to appeal to a minority and fail or find a middle ground appeal to a greater majority and hopefully succeed if they ever fix all the other issues plaguing the league
Couldnt agree more, NASL is small potatoes right now i dont think they will beable to improve much about the show with the revenue they are bringing in right now, they would have to go out of pocket, i would say its worth it though. Honestly they should have made the prize pool significantly less in the first season and invested more in the actual production of the show, whats the point in having huge prize pools if no one wants to watch?
Also replace gretorp i dont think he is very user friendly in terms of getting new viewers and probably 50% or less of the viewers actually like him right now ( i think its probably alot less than that, most people would prefer someone else over gretorp) the way he talks and the words he uses are annoying , also he uses alot of fake excitement in his casts , he should work on sounding generally excited. I thought that maybe i could get used to him, but honestly i dont think its possible its been a week and a half and although hes improved hes just not the right style for the job. Gaw NASL if you could get one thing right make it be the casters, its really important, well actually fix your sound first then the casters.
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On April 23 2011 05:00 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 04:45 Zeri wrote:On April 23 2011 04:36 laguu wrote:
NASL is way too analytical. They spend so much time on map and game analysis. IGN casters may not have the best game knowledge but I'm having so much more fun watching it. NASL should think of SC more as ENTERTAINMENT. Just sayin.
And the sound quality needs to be fixed No. Absolutely not. Competitive starcraft (or ANY game for that matter) didn't get big because people made it entertaining. Its a competitive game. its about the competition and about the game. Players compete to find out who's the best of the best. And spectators watch because of that alone. If you are looking to purely be entertained go watch reality TV or some other over-produced crap. Please think about what you are trying to say... Hes right your thinking too small. The amount of people that like what your talking about amounts to about half of the Starcraft community that watches reports right now maybe. Wich amount to about 50k max watching a tournament at any given time ( usually it's far less. The 8k people that like that style watching the nasl yesterday ( and I'm sure some of the ones watching would just prefer entertainment) is a really small number in the grand scheme of things if reports wants to succeed it needs to find a nice middle ground ( like ipl) just because it's what you want doesn't mean that it's what most of the casual sc player or just a casual gamer in general who doesn't play sc2 but is interested in watching it wants. So I think you wrong in that regard more analytical may keep viewers but it's not gonna bring in new ones. NASL will not survive with it's current rating for very long i mean destiny gets about ad many viewers as nasl does. I think if nasl is pulling in less than 30k viewers a night in the coming months it will be very unlikely that it will succeed. Gsl wc had 300,000 viewers live and even that isn't considered incredible at Least for Korea,. So nasl can try to appeal to a minority and fail or find a middle ground appeal to a greater majority and hopefully succeed if they ever fix all the other issues plaguing the league
There isn't a real middle ground with this issue. I'm not saying anything about what leagues should really do.. I was just trying to get the point across that while yes expanding and appealing to the masses is good, but it needs to be absolutely grounded in the importance of competition. (ie you cannot say IPL has better production and therefore it is better than the NASL, right now the NASL has better players competing for something more important (right now at least) so that is why it is better)
^^ thats really all I'm trying to say.
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On April 23 2011 05:21 cheesemaster wrote:
wow. didnt watch much yesterday but watching a vod right now, sound quality is soooo terrible, i dont think i can even be bothered to watch =/ such an echoing tin sounding VOD.
Gawww NASL has the players why cant they deliver on the production, know what would be awesome seeing all the players from NASL in IPl. Because in terms of everything but the player pool IPL > NASL
IPL season 2 will be sweet though because all but 4 players have to qualify, wich is way more exciting IMO having qualifiers
Well I'm not a fan of the casters other than djwheat for IPL, plus there's that whole having the entire bracket released on accident thing. But if they had the NASL players, better casters, and didn't get their entire tourny spoiled before a single game was played then I would love the IPL.
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On April 23 2011 05:03 Executor1 wrote:
Also these live report threads are getting smaller and smaller only 45 pages angst later defenetly shows a dwindling interest in the league
I'd like nothing more than to be a fan of the NASL and follow the games but when a majority of the time I can't even get the stream to work, well, that's a problem.
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a shame i cant hear the casters today because of the loud music, i was really starting to like incontrol+gretorp.
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haha i love how their voices synch so well with the chill electro music in the post-game analysis. really like it!
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On April 23 2011 12:30 dark fury wrote:
haha i love how their voices synch so well with the chill electro music in the post-game analysis. really like it!
Day 2-3 thread is here btw.
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