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On June 12 2011 13:26 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 11:17 Oreo7 wrote:
Ever since Xiaot's comments about idra, I have wanted him to lose. Happy to see MC roll him, now I'd like mc to take the finals 4-0. MC fighting! Ignorance is bliss. His training partners ARE better than IdrA. China's Zerg's are very, VERY good. I'd say NewLee is better than NesTea. Kid's multitasking is insane.
I don't think anyone can definitively say one way or the other right now. There just simply has not been enough play between China and non-Chinese in a lag-free environment.
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On June 12 2011 13:26 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 11:17 Oreo7 wrote:
Ever since Xiaot's comments about idra, I have wanted him to lose. Happy to see MC roll him, now I'd like mc to take the finals 4-0. MC fighting! Ignorance is bliss. His training partners ARE better than IdrA. China's Zerg's are very, VERY good. I'd say NewLee is better than NesTea. Kid's multitasking is insane.
Ignorance is Bliss..you're a pretty prime example..well done
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Lol how can you presume to say that a Chinese zerg is better than Nestea, or any Chinese players in general are all that amazing? One tournament with a bo3 format means little especially when a lot of players just straight up played uncharacteristically bad. Nestea is on MC's level and MC is a class above these guys. XiaoT's PvP was just four gate into blink stalker every time, with one lucky win, but he's supposed to be the best Chinese player? He got 2-1'd by Loner in that G-League tournament but MC destroyed Loner? Beating IdrA is not that big of a feat, RootMinigun does it all the time but you don't see anyone considering him a top protoss.
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On June 12 2011 13:26 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 11:17 Oreo7 wrote:
Ever since Xiaot's comments about idra, I have wanted him to lose. Happy to see MC roll him, now I'd like mc to take the finals 4-0. MC fighting! Ignorance is bliss. His training partners ARE better than IdrA. China's Zerg's are very, VERY good. I'd say NewLee is better than NesTea. Kid's multitasking is insane.
this is a stupid empty statement
at the same time, I don't doubt him when he says they're better than idra, at least in ZvP which is idra's worst matchup
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But that's the point - if beating IdrA isn't that big of a deal, then saying Xigua is better than IdrA also isn't that big of a deal. XiaoT obviously felt like IdrA played below Xigua and in some ways that's true - the two games IdrA played against him were both pretty bad and I could see how you'd read that IdrA is bad from it, especially considering IdrA's attitude towards Protoss (ie "Zerg is not supposed to win vs. Protoss").
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I meant the statement about them being better than nestea was stupid (which it is any way you look at it)
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On June 12 2011 14:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I meant the statement about them being better than nestea was stupid (which it is any way you look at it)
I know, I wasn't responding to you in the specific.
Personally, I think people are reading way too much into XiaoT's words. He comes off as a pretty realistic guy. His comments towards IdrA were based on his games vs. him, just as his comments towards MKP (ie "MKP is a really good player and I'm usually 40:60 against him but managed to play my very best vs. him and won") were based on his games vs. MKP. Compare that to IdrA who calls people he loses to "trash" and there's just a tad bit of hypocrisy here.
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I dont believe all the bullshit hype about Chinese player being the new gawd of sc2, not until they win matches of Korean on LAN, not random online tourney. xiaot is the best Chinese player, yet he played with a pretty inferior game mechanic, micro, macro and most importantly outdated strats against MC. Those kids are still leagues behind tbh.
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Are the replays or vods of the semi finals released yet?
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On June 12 2011 14:21 Arceus wrote:
I dont believe all the bullshit hype about Chinese player being the new gawd of sc2, not until they win matches of Korean on LAN, not random online tourney. xiaot is the best Chinese player, yet he played with a pretty inferior game mechanic, micro, macro and most importantly outdated strats against MC. Those kids are still leagues behind tbh.
As someone who's somewhat familiar with Chinese eSports through Dota, where China is basically the undisputed power house, I have dealt with Chinese fanboys before and they are, like fanboys in general, rather annoying. However, in SC 2 I hardly see any Chinese fanboys and it's mostly other foreigners who are hyping China up as the country that will take over the world. Unfortunately, this seems to give off the impression that Chinese SC 2 players themselves are arrogant and think they're hot shit.
Trouble is, this isn't reflected in the players' actual interviews. Lovecd's interview, which someone translated a while back, said that his 2:1 victory against Nestea (on the Korean server, to boot) in no way proves that he's a better player than Nestea and that he still has a lot to improve. I don't see how you read arrogance from that. XiaoT himself said that he felt uncomfortable going to Korea because he doesn't think he can make it deep into the GSL at this point in time. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
Maybe what really needs to happen is that people should stop over-hyping China and in doing so set unrealistic expectations for these players that then become an angle of attack when they fail. This isn't limited to China, either. It also applies to many other foreigner players.
But part of this, I think, is simply because people want a new dark horse to rally around. They want someone to smash the Korean pros, who have been sitting at the top of the SC scene for years. It happens in almost every sport in which there is a clear favorite.
Unfortunately, foreigners, including the Chinese, are simply not up to task at the moment, but that's not going to stop people from prematurely declaring any potential they see as the great new hope. I can't deny that it's good for the viewership, too, because if Raelcun just up and went, "yeah, XiaoT is gonna get crushed by MC guys, this isn't going to be close," there probably wouldn't be much excitement towards the matches.
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azakon as much as ud like mc to win the tourny, hell have to sweat a lot to do so. Love and xiaot are insanely good. i am pretty sure the latters micro is better than mcs. expect close series mc vs xiaot in finals.
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On June 12 2011 13:40 phate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 13:26 FataLe wrote:On June 12 2011 11:17 Oreo7 wrote:
Ever since Xiaot's comments about idra, I have wanted him to lose. Happy to see MC roll him, now I'd like mc to take the finals 4-0. MC fighting! Ignorance is bliss. His training partners ARE better than IdrA. China's Zerg's are very, VERY good. I'd say NewLee is better than NesTea. Kid's multitasking is insane. I don't think anyone can definitively say one way or the other right now. There just simply has not been enough play between China and non-Chinese in a lag-free environment.
Actually, I retract my previous statement. This is the best way to look at it. Apologies, I just wasn't happy at the lack of knowledge the other user conveyed through his comments.
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On June 12 2011 15:05 TopOgi wrote:
azakon as much as ud like mc to win the tourny, hell have to sweat a lot to do so. Love and xiaot are insanely good. i am pretty sure the latters micro is better than mcs. expect close series mc vs xiaot in finals.
Hasn't MC already beaten XiaoT in the semis yesterday, outmicro-ing and outplaying him too.
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On June 12 2011 15:31 Caesarion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 15:05 TopOgi wrote:
azakon as much as ud like mc to win the tourny, hell have to sweat a lot to do so. Love and xiaot are insanely good. i am pretty sure the latters micro is better than mcs. expect close series mc vs xiaot in finals. Hasn't MC already beaten XiaoT in the semis yesterday, outmicro-ing and outplaying him too.
...Correct. MC beat XiaoT 3-1, right? PvP is about as micro-intense as matchups go. MC beat him handily and described XiaoT as someone who would hold their own in code A :p
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On June 12 2011 15:31 Caesarion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 15:05 TopOgi wrote:
azakon as much as ud like mc to win the tourny, hell have to sweat a lot to do so. Love and xiaot are insanely good. i am pretty sure the latters micro is better than mcs. expect close series mc vs xiaot in finals. Hasn't MC already beaten XiaoT in the semis yesterday, outmicro-ing and outplaying him too.
You can't deduce any sense of relative skill from PvP. Even Tyler almost took a BO3 off of MC (sorry, had to go there.)
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Hope you're not suggesting Tyler sucks 
If this were a Bo3, XiaoT would be in a similar position to Tyler, which is about right from what I've seen of his PvP. His PvZ seems to be better, though, and from what I saw of his PvT in the MKP match it's at least as good.
As far as foreigners go, I'd put XiaoT somewhere around Socke and Naniwa.
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from the games MC played against XiaoT it was pretty obvious he was a league better than him in PvP in every game they played
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