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Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 01:43 GMT
#1501
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 01:44:32
May 24 2011 01:43 GMT
#1502
On May 24 2011 10:40 Chicane wrote:
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On May 24 2011 10:35 Vorlik wrote:
I love that china is finally showing what they can do, and can't be overlooked. I want to see some games from this "xigua" guy who xiaot(which I have a lot of respect for) says is 2 levels above Idra.


Well I think xiaot is friends with xigua so... I don't know how big of a statement that is. After all, Sen defeated xiqua in the GSL World Tournament qualifier (from what someone else said) and Sen isn't way above IdrA if at all. I know one match doesn't determine everything, but they are likely around the same level if Sen can beat xiqua.

Come to think of it though, I wonder who took out xiaot, especially since (if I'm not mistaken) it had to be a player from that Asian group, meaning it was probably Sen or Moonglade. Does anyone know?


It was Sen. For some reason I only remember the first game though, where Sen lost even though he managed to baneling bust XiaoT's forge expand and killed his main. Funny thing, that, as Sen probably did some amazing stuff in the second and third games.
Ezekyle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia607 Posts
May 24 2011 01:44 GMT
#1503
On May 24 2011 10:26 Chicane wrote:
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On May 24 2011 10:25 daemir wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:20 oo inflame oo wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:18 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.


Not if you're making the wrong units and utilising them badly. You're whining that Protoss can just A move their ball by saying that Zerg should also be able to A move their ball.

It should be a mix of unit control, unit composition and unit numbers, Idra only had the latter, Xaviot had the first two, hence he won.


That's the thing. Forcefields nullify your ability to control your units.



No, fungal growth literally nullifies your ability to control your units, force fields still allow you to pull back most of the time. On fungal it's game over as soon as they land.


I actually liked what Socke said on SOTG a little while back. It was something along the lines of "I don't get why zergs are complaining... they have fungal growth which is like 8 FF around a portion of your army and it does damage."

Force fields cost 2/3 the energy and are on a much cheaper unit that requires almost no tech and thus will often have a full 200 energy by the time the fight comes. They also last four times as long as fungal growth. And Zerg has no EMP or feedback equivalent. They're hardly comparable.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 24 2011 01:46 GMT
#1504
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa and Hasuobs (top 4 TSL) showed that WC3 skills translate very well into Sc2.

See how picking from a limited pool of players can be a bit ridiculous? I think it is best to take it on a player by player basis. Some people have adapted to the new game better than others.
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
May 24 2011 01:46 GMT
#1505
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Top 4 TSL beg to differ.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
May 24 2011 01:47 GMT
#1506
On May 24 2011 10:44 Ezekyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:26 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:25 daemir wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:20 oo inflame oo wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:18 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.


Not if you're making the wrong units and utilising them badly. You're whining that Protoss can just A move their ball by saying that Zerg should also be able to A move their ball.

It should be a mix of unit control, unit composition and unit numbers, Idra only had the latter, Xaviot had the first two, hence he won.


That's the thing. Forcefields nullify your ability to control your units.



No, fungal growth literally nullifies your ability to control your units, force fields still allow you to pull back most of the time. On fungal it's game over as soon as they land.


I actually liked what Socke said on SOTG a little while back. It was something along the lines of "I don't get why zergs are complaining... they have fungal growth which is like 8 FF around a portion of your army and it does damage."

Force fields cost 2/3 the energy and are on a much cheaper unit that requires almost no tech and thus will often have a full 200 energy by the time the fight comes. They also last four times as long as fungal growth. And Zerg has no EMP or feedback equivalent. They're hardly comparable.


Fungal also does a ton of damage. So I agree, it's not really comparable.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 01:48 GMT
#1507
On May 24 2011 10:46 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa and Hasuobs (top 4 TSL) showed that WC3 skills translate very well into Sc2.

See how picking from a limited pool of players can be a bit ridiculous? I think it is best to take it on a player by player basis. Some people have adapted to the new game better than others.


No, what it shows is that WC3 skills translate really poorly to Sc2 but that anyone who practices well can do well in Sc2 which is why lesser WC3 players like those four are better than top Wc3 like Grubby, Moon and Lyn.

To be fair though Moon and Lyn have achieved more in Sc2 than Kas and Hasuobs.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 24 2011 01:50 GMT
#1508
On May 24 2011 10:44 Ezekyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:26 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:25 daemir wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:20 oo inflame oo wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:18 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.


Not if you're making the wrong units and utilising them badly. You're whining that Protoss can just A move their ball by saying that Zerg should also be able to A move their ball.

It should be a mix of unit control, unit composition and unit numbers, Idra only had the latter, Xaviot had the first two, hence he won.


That's the thing. Forcefields nullify your ability to control your units.



No, fungal growth literally nullifies your ability to control your units, force fields still allow you to pull back most of the time. On fungal it's game over as soon as they land.


I actually liked what Socke said on SOTG a little while back. It was something along the lines of "I don't get why zergs are complaining... they have fungal growth which is like 8 FF around a portion of your army and it does damage."

Force fields cost 2/3 the energy and are on a much cheaper unit that requires almost no tech and thus will often have a full 200 energy by the time the fight comes. They also last four times as long as fungal growth. And Zerg has no EMP or feedback equivalent. They're hardly comparable.


Well first of all I didn't say they are very comparable, but there are still similarities.

Yes, forcefields cost a bit less and sentries are lower tech, but at the same time fungal is a more powerful spell. So go figure that a spell you get earlier and costs less isn't as good, but that the higher tech spell has its own disadvantages.

As for comments about zerg not having equivalents to some spells... well now you're discussing the two races when I am discussing a spell, any MANY more factors come in at that point so.. I don't see the point.
iamahydralisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 01:56:38
May 24 2011 01:55 GMT
#1509
On May 24 2011 10:48 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:46 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa and Hasuobs (top 4 TSL) showed that WC3 skills translate very well into Sc2.

See how picking from a limited pool of players can be a bit ridiculous? I think it is best to take it on a player by player basis. Some people have adapted to the new game better than others.


No, what it shows is that WC3 skills translate really poorly to Sc2 but that anyone who practices well can do well in Sc2 which is why lesser WC3 players like those four are better than top Wc3 like Grubby, Moon and Lyn.

To be fair though Moon and Lyn have achieved more in Sc2 than Kas and Hasuobs.

um, what? there's no logical way you can possibly draw that conclusion.

Also, Kas and Hasu have achieved way more than Moon and Lyn in SC2.
"well if youre looking for long term, go safe, if you expect it to end either way, go risky. wow. just like sc2" - friend of mine when I asked him which girl to pick
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
May 24 2011 01:59 GMT
#1510

Q:You should be pretty familiar with Idra, did you specifically prepare to play against him?
A: Yea i've been preparing for it lately, xigua[another chinese player, name means "watermelon"] has been practicing with me. I acutally think xigua is 2 levels better than Idra, so there wasn't much pressure playing against him in the real match.
[T/N: ouch =P, not sure who xigua is though, if anyone else can fill that information in it would be great.]

Awesome when people start to counter-bm Idra. Teach him to be a cry baby
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1999 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 02:01:43
May 24 2011 02:01 GMT
#1511
On May 24 2011 10:48 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:46 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa and Hasuobs (top 4 TSL) showed that WC3 skills translate very well into Sc2.

See how picking from a limited pool of players can be a bit ridiculous? I think it is best to take it on a player by player basis. Some people have adapted to the new game better than others.



No, what it shows is that WC3 skills translate really poorly to Sc2 but that anyone who practices well can do well in Sc2 which is why lesser WC3 players like those four are better than top Wc3 like Grubby, Moon and Lyn.

To be fair though Moon and Lyn have achieved more in Sc2 than Kas and Hasuobs.

Kas would walk up and down Moon and Lyn.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 02:02 GMT
#1512
On May 24 2011 10:55 iamahydralisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:48 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:46 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa and Hasuobs (top 4 TSL) showed that WC3 skills translate very well into Sc2.

See how picking from a limited pool of players can be a bit ridiculous? I think it is best to take it on a player by player basis. Some people have adapted to the new game better than others.


No, what it shows is that WC3 skills translate really poorly to Sc2 but that anyone who practices well can do well in Sc2 which is why lesser WC3 players like those four are better than top Wc3 like Grubby, Moon and Lyn.

To be fair though Moon and Lyn have achieved more in Sc2 than Kas and Hasuobs.

um, what? there's no logical way you can possibly draw that conclusion.

Also, Kas and Hasu have achieved way more than Moon and Lyn in SC2.


Lyn was Code S for two seasons and got a Ro8, that's a bigger achievement than anything Kas or Hasu have managed.

Moon got second at IEM which is better than 2nd in Copenhagen for Kas and obviously better than anything Hasu has managed.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 02:03 GMT
#1513
On May 24 2011 11:01 Aristodemus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:48 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:46 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa and Hasuobs (top 4 TSL) showed that WC3 skills translate very well into Sc2.

See how picking from a limited pool of players can be a bit ridiculous? I think it is best to take it on a player by player basis. Some people have adapted to the new game better than others.



No, what it shows is that WC3 skills translate really poorly to Sc2 but that anyone who practices well can do well in Sc2 which is why lesser WC3 players like those four are better than top Wc3 like Grubby, Moon and Lyn.

To be fair though Moon and Lyn have achieved more in Sc2 than Kas and Hasuobs.

Kas would walk up and down Moon and Lyn.


They're both probably better than Moon and Lyn, but they're also probably better than Fruit Dealer, they've still not achieved anything like as much as him in Sc2.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
May 24 2011 02:03 GMT
#1514
On May 24 2011 10:48 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:46 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa and Hasuobs (top 4 TSL) showed that WC3 skills translate very well into Sc2.

See how picking from a limited pool of players can be a bit ridiculous? I think it is best to take it on a player by player basis. Some people have adapted to the new game better than others.


No, what it shows is that WC3 skills translate really poorly to Sc2 but that anyone who practices well can do well in Sc2 which is why lesser WC3 players like those four are better than top Wc3 like Grubby, Moon and Lyn.

To be fair though Moon and Lyn have achieved more in Sc2 than Kas and Hasuobs.

Good micro is a positive, no matter where you got that skill from. The only time it becomes a negative is when you devote so much attention to microing that your overall game begins to suffer. (You see this with Grubby, for instance. Oh, Grubby.)

Also, don't forget that Lyn and Moon still play WC3. Which is kind of mind-boggling, when you think about it. In any case, I'm really impressed with Lyn so far. He showed some really good games vs. MMA today and probably could have taken the series had he known about those tanks in Game 3. (And I had thought MMA would roflstomp him too, so I'm especially impressed.) When/if he drops WC3, I expect his skill level to drastically improve.
iamahydralisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States813 Posts
May 24 2011 02:04 GMT
#1515
On May 24 2011 11:02 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:55 iamahydralisk wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:48 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:46 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa and Hasuobs (top 4 TSL) showed that WC3 skills translate very well into Sc2.

See how picking from a limited pool of players can be a bit ridiculous? I think it is best to take it on a player by player basis. Some people have adapted to the new game better than others.


No, what it shows is that WC3 skills translate really poorly to Sc2 but that anyone who practices well can do well in Sc2 which is why lesser WC3 players like those four are better than top Wc3 like Grubby, Moon and Lyn.

To be fair though Moon and Lyn have achieved more in Sc2 than Kas and Hasuobs.

um, what? there's no logical way you can possibly draw that conclusion.

Also, Kas and Hasu have achieved way more than Moon and Lyn in SC2.


Lyn was Code S for two seasons and got a Ro8, that's a bigger achievement than anything Kas or Hasu have managed.

Moon got second at IEM which is better than 2nd in Copenhagen for Kas and obviously better than anything Hasu has managed.

Hasu and Kas have done more in foreign tournaments than Moon and Lyn. Not to mention the fact that Kas and Hasu are better than Moon and Lyn (pretty sure most people would agree with this).
"well if youre looking for long term, go safe, if you expect it to end either way, go risky. wow. just like sc2" - friend of mine when I asked him which girl to pick
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 02:06 GMT
#1516
On May 24 2011 11:04 iamahydralisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 11:02 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:55 iamahydralisk wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:48 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:46 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa and Hasuobs (top 4 TSL) showed that WC3 skills translate very well into Sc2.

See how picking from a limited pool of players can be a bit ridiculous? I think it is best to take it on a player by player basis. Some people have adapted to the new game better than others.


No, what it shows is that WC3 skills translate really poorly to Sc2 but that anyone who practices well can do well in Sc2 which is why lesser WC3 players like those four are better than top Wc3 like Grubby, Moon and Lyn.

To be fair though Moon and Lyn have achieved more in Sc2 than Kas and Hasuobs.

um, what? there's no logical way you can possibly draw that conclusion.

Also, Kas and Hasu have achieved way more than Moon and Lyn in SC2.


Lyn was Code S for two seasons and got a Ro8, that's a bigger achievement than anything Kas or Hasu have managed.

Moon got second at IEM which is better than 2nd in Copenhagen for Kas and obviously better than anything Hasu has managed.

Hasu and Kas have done more in foreign tournaments than Moon and Lyn. Not to mention the fact that Kas and Hasu are better than Moon and Lyn (pretty sure most people would agree with this).


Random foreign tournaments don't really mean much if anything. Like Dimaga has won a million little tournaments as opposed to Nestea who's won two GSL's or Idra's who's won an IPL and an MLG, which is more impressive?
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1999 Posts
May 24 2011 02:08 GMT
#1517
Go4sc2 EU is way higher standard every week than the IPL season 1 was.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
iamahydralisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 02:14:17
May 24 2011 02:09 GMT
#1518
On May 24 2011 11:06 Blasphemi wrote:
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On May 24 2011 11:04 iamahydralisk wrote:
On May 24 2011 11:02 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:55 iamahydralisk wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:48 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:46 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa and Hasuobs (top 4 TSL) showed that WC3 skills translate very well into Sc2.

See how picking from a limited pool of players can be a bit ridiculous? I think it is best to take it on a player by player basis. Some people have adapted to the new game better than others.


No, what it shows is that WC3 skills translate really poorly to Sc2 but that anyone who practices well can do well in Sc2 which is why lesser WC3 players like those four are better than top Wc3 like Grubby, Moon and Lyn.

To be fair though Moon and Lyn have achieved more in Sc2 than Kas and Hasuobs.

um, what? there's no logical way you can possibly draw that conclusion.

Also, Kas and Hasu have achieved way more than Moon and Lyn in SC2.


Lyn was Code S for two seasons and got a Ro8, that's a bigger achievement than anything Kas or Hasu have managed.

Moon got second at IEM which is better than 2nd in Copenhagen for Kas and obviously better than anything Hasu has managed.

Hasu and Kas have done more in foreign tournaments than Moon and Lyn. Not to mention the fact that Kas and Hasu are better than Moon and Lyn (pretty sure most people would agree with this).


Random foreign tournaments don't really mean much if anything. Like Dimaga has won a million little tournaments as opposed to Nestea who's won two GSL's or Idra's who's won an IPL and an MLG, which is more impressive?

You're being completely biased towards the Korean scene. Seeing as how the final four of the TSL were all European, "random foreign tournaments" obviously mean something. Also, you're comparing apples (Nestea) to oranges (Moon and Lyn). To even imply that Moon and Lyn are anywhere near Nestea is lolable.

EDIT: Also it's funny that you'd use Dimaga and Nestea as examples, because I believe Dimaga has the edge in their head-to-head record.
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United States286 Posts
May 24 2011 02:13 GMT
#1519
On May 24 2011 10:50 Chicane wrote:
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On May 24 2011 10:44 Ezekyle wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:26 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:25 daemir wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:20 oo inflame oo wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:18 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.


Not if you're making the wrong units and utilising them badly. You're whining that Protoss can just A move their ball by saying that Zerg should also be able to A move their ball.

It should be a mix of unit control, unit composition and unit numbers, Idra only had the latter, Xaviot had the first two, hence he won.


That's the thing. Forcefields nullify your ability to control your units.



No, fungal growth literally nullifies your ability to control your units, force fields still allow you to pull back most of the time. On fungal it's game over as soon as they land.


I actually liked what Socke said on SOTG a little while back. It was something along the lines of "I don't get why zergs are complaining... they have fungal growth which is like 8 FF around a portion of your army and it does damage."

Force fields cost 2/3 the energy and are on a much cheaper unit that requires almost no tech and thus will often have a full 200 energy by the time the fight comes. They also last four times as long as fungal growth. And Zerg has no EMP or feedback equivalent. They're hardly comparable.


Well first of all I didn't say they are very comparable, but there are still similarities.

Yes, forcefields cost a bit less and sentries are lower tech, but at the same time fungal is a more powerful spell. So go figure that a spell you get earlier and costs less isn't as good, but that the higher tech spell has its own disadvantages.

As for comments about zerg not having equivalents to some spells... well now you're discussing the two races when I am discussing a spell, any MANY more factors come in at that point so.. I don't see the point.


Are you insane? Forcefield is the most powerful spell in the game.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 02:14 GMT
#1520
On May 24 2011 11:09 iamahydralisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 11:06 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 11:04 iamahydralisk wrote:
On May 24 2011 11:02 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:55 iamahydralisk wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:48 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:46 Chicane wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:43 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


PvP is basically 95% micro so I'd say that's fine. MC has sick macro, game sense and decision making too.

Grubby, Moon and Lyn have showed that WC3 skills don't translate too well into Sc2 but we'll see.


Kas, Thorzain, Naniwa and Hasuobs (top 4 TSL) showed that WC3 skills translate very well into Sc2.

See how picking from a limited pool of players can be a bit ridiculous? I think it is best to take it on a player by player basis. Some people have adapted to the new game better than others.


No, what it shows is that WC3 skills translate really poorly to Sc2 but that anyone who practices well can do well in Sc2 which is why lesser WC3 players like those four are better than top Wc3 like Grubby, Moon and Lyn.

To be fair though Moon and Lyn have achieved more in Sc2 than Kas and Hasuobs.

um, what? there's no logical way you can possibly draw that conclusion.

Also, Kas and Hasu have achieved way more than Moon and Lyn in SC2.


Lyn was Code S for two seasons and got a Ro8, that's a bigger achievement than anything Kas or Hasu have managed.

Moon got second at IEM which is better than 2nd in Copenhagen for Kas and obviously better than anything Hasu has managed.

Hasu and Kas have done more in foreign tournaments than Moon and Lyn. Not to mention the fact that Kas and Hasu are better than Moon and Lyn (pretty sure most people would agree with this).


Random foreign tournaments don't really mean much if anything. Like Dimaga has won a million little tournaments as opposed to Nestea who's won two GSL's or Idra's who's won an IPL and an MLG, which is more impressive?

You're obviously completely biased towards the Korean scene. Seeing as how the final four of the TSL were all European, "random foreign tournaments" obviously mean something. Also, you're comparing apples (Nestea) to oranges (Moon and Lyn). To even imply that Moon and Lyn are anywhere near Nestea is lolable.


TSL is not a random foreign tournament. But neither Hasu or Kas won it, or made the final and reaching the semis of the TSL is nowhere near as hard as making Code S and reaching the Ro8. If you were to say Thorzain or Naniwa has achieved more than Lyn or Moon I'd agree with you.

Everyone should be biased towards the Korean scene as it is of a considerably higher standard than EU or NA, so of course doing well in Korea means more than doing well elsewhere. Naturally if you do very well in EU/NA it outweighs KOR achievements, so for example Naniwa has achieved more than HongUn but Hasu has not achieved more than Inca. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
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