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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
May 24 2011 01:25 GMT
#1481
For those who were/are wondering: Game 1 was played on the CHN server. Game 2 on the NA server. (You can tell by XiaOt's player handle.)

Also, some useless trivia: AbuseYourDNA was the handle that Grubby laddered under back in the day when he played Warcraft III.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
May 24 2011 01:25 GMT
#1482
On May 24 2011 10:20 oo inflame oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:18 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.


Not if you're making the wrong units and utilising them badly. You're whining that Protoss can just A move their ball by saying that Zerg should also be able to A move their ball.

It should be a mix of unit control, unit composition and unit numbers, Idra only had the latter, Xaviot had the first two, hence he won.


That's the thing. Forcefields nullify your ability to control your units.



No, fungal growth literally nullifies your ability to control your units, force fields still allow you to pull back most of the time. On fungal it's game over as soon as they land.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 24 2011 01:26 GMT
#1483
On May 24 2011 10:25 daemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:20 oo inflame oo wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:18 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.


Not if you're making the wrong units and utilising them badly. You're whining that Protoss can just A move their ball by saying that Zerg should also be able to A move their ball.

It should be a mix of unit control, unit composition and unit numbers, Idra only had the latter, Xaviot had the first two, hence he won.


That's the thing. Forcefields nullify your ability to control your units.



No, fungal growth literally nullifies your ability to control your units, force fields still allow you to pull back most of the time. On fungal it's game over as soon as they land.


I actually liked what Socke said on SOTG a little while back. It was something along the lines of "I don't get why zergs are complaining... they have fungal growth which is like 8 FF around a portion of your army and it does damage."
quiet noise
Profile Joined May 2011
599 Posts
May 24 2011 01:27 GMT
#1484
On May 24 2011 10:25 daemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:20 oo inflame oo wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:18 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 10:14 oo inflame oo wrote:
With a 50-70 supply lead you should be able to kill your opponent. Forcefields are so strong.


Not if you're making the wrong units and utilising them badly. You're whining that Protoss can just A move their ball by saying that Zerg should also be able to A move their ball.

It should be a mix of unit control, unit composition and unit numbers, Idra only had the latter, Xaviot had the first two, hence he won.


That's the thing. Forcefields nullify your ability to control your units.



No, fungal growth literally nullifies your ability to control your units, force fields still allow you to pull back most of the time. On fungal it's game over as soon as they land.


+forcefield can be countered (drops, burrow, massive units) but FG can not.

They should revert the change that made it impossible to blink out of FG, to make up for the fact that FG now deals more damage to armored.
cold-
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada209 Posts
May 24 2011 01:27 GMT
#1485
lol xiaot interview will piss a lot of people
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
May 24 2011 01:29 GMT
#1486
Wow I think all the IdrA fanboys have stormed off... all the complaining just stopped a minute or so ago. Anyway... it sucks that IdrA lost, I really did want him to win, but he got outplayed. PvP Semifinals will be boring... haha. I can't wait to see how MC stacks up against these guys though, especially since he is known for having amazing PvP and has Inca as a practice partner.
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
May 24 2011 01:29 GMT
#1487
On May 24 2011 10:25 babylon wrote:
For those who were/are wondering: Game 1 was played on the CHN server. Game 2 on the NA server. (You can tell by XiaOt's player handle.)

Also, some useless trivia: AbuseYourDNA was the handle that Grubby laddered under back in the day when he played Warcraft III.


Ye... I find it very awkward that Xiaot uses this ID...

Copying the name of one of your (ex) rival is not very glorious... But well, as long as his playstyle is, that's ok I guess.
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
May 24 2011 01:31 GMT
#1488
On May 24 2011 10:23 Azarkon wrote:
This was posted in the closed spoiler thread. It's a translated interview with XiaoT after the match:

+ Show Spoiler +
Q: congratz on your win vs. idra, how do you feel after?
A: Thanks! every match has been harder and harder, so my only thought is to focus on them one at a time.

Q:In the match did you predict that Idra was going to go fake expo to roach all in? you seemed calm when defending against it?
A: I am very careful with my openings and strategies and only uses them after much consideration. I am pretty confident it can defend against rushes with high probability.

Q:In 2nd match Idra was able to macro up extremely well, with 200 population to 130 of yours, but you were able to take advantage of forcefield and come back one step at a time.
A: With hatch opening zerg will have a huge macro/econ advange over p so 200 at that point is not very uncommon. As long as the location, unit composition, and micro all done properly, p can actually fight against 200 population with just 130. I can also switch from d to attack very fast, so as long as I can get to 3 bases, successfully defend, i'm confident that I can win the match.

Q:You should be pretty familiar with Idra, did you specifically prepare to play against him?
A: Yea i've been preparing for it lately, xigua[another chinese player, name means "watermelon"] has been practicing with me. I acutally think xigua is 2 levels better than Idra, so there wasn't much pressure playing against him in the real match.
[T/N: ouch =P, not sure who xigua is though, if anyone else can fill that information in it would be great.]

there are 3 more questions, some about MKP, will do those later after work. Here is the source:
http://sc2.plu.cn/interviews/2011-05-18/28659.html


XiaoT seems to be comfortable playing high-tech vs. macro Zerg. His decision making is pretty good all around. Something the casters didn't catch is that Idra DID try to baneling drop XiaoT's mineral line but XiaoT took minimal damage from it each time. He obviously has experience against this style whereas Idra looked... Well, he looked like he didn't have an answer to the FFs and Blink Stalkers.


Xigua is a Zerg that almost beat sen in the Asian qualifiers for the Gom WC.
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
May 24 2011 01:31 GMT
#1489
On May 24 2011 10:29 TeWy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:25 babylon wrote:
For those who were/are wondering: Game 1 was played on the CHN server. Game 2 on the NA server. (You can tell by XiaOt's player handle.)

Also, some useless trivia: AbuseYourDNA was the handle that Grubby laddered under back in the day when he played Warcraft III.


Ye... I find it very awkward that Xiaot uses this ID...

Copying the name of one of your (ex) rival is not very glorious... But well, as long as his playstyle is, that's ok I guess.


It's probably a borrowed NA account.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 01:32 GMT
#1490
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
May 24 2011 01:33 GMT
#1491
On May 24 2011 10:29 TeWy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:25 babylon wrote:
For those who were/are wondering: Game 1 was played on the CHN server. Game 2 on the NA server. (You can tell by XiaOt's player handle.)

Also, some useless trivia: AbuseYourDNA was the handle that Grubby laddered under back in the day when he played Warcraft III.


Ye... I find it very awkward that Xiaot uses this ID...

Copying the name of one of your (ex) rival is not very glorious... But well, as long as his playstyle is, that's ok I guess.

It's a little odd, I agree, but I think it's borrowed. Not to mention, Grubby and XiaOt seem to be fairly friendly with each other, so I assume that, even if it's not borrowed, they've spoken about it.
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
May 24 2011 01:33 GMT
#1492
On May 24 2011 10:29 TeWy wrote:

Ye... I find it very awkward that Xiaot uses this ID...

Copying the name of one of your (ex) rival is not very glorious... But well, as long as his playstyle is, that's ok I guess.


lol it's a great inside joke for the wc3-community actually.

xiaot used to be one of my favorite players in wc3, he became one of my favorites in sc2 after that defence in game 1. He is a great guy too.
xlord 5:0
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
May 24 2011 01:34 GMT
#1493
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
May 24 2011 01:35 GMT
#1494
I love that china is finally showing what they can do, and can't be overlooked. I want to see some games from this "xigua" guy who xiaot(which I have a lot of respect for) says is 2 levels above Idra.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 01:37:47
May 24 2011 01:36 GMT
#1495
On May 24 2011 10:11 AndAgain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:09 Trowa127 wrote:
Very depressing watching that, and thats coming from a Protoss player. I usually don't buy into Idra's whine, but that was very stupid, completely locked down at every turn by forcefields :/


Just shut up. Can't cast forcefields in air: that's how you get around them.


Good point man, this guys blink stalker centric army would have been decimated by baneling drops /end sarcasm

Better infestor controlled would have definatley helped him, but it was still depressing to watch.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
May 24 2011 01:39 GMT
#1496
On May 24 2011 10:35 Vorlik wrote:
I love that china is finally showing what they can do, and can't be overlooked. I want to see some games from this "xigua" guy who xiaot(which I have a lot of respect for) says is 2 levels above Idra.

You can probably find some of XiGua's games on GOMTV. (He played in the GSL WC qualifiers and was knocked out by Sen, who then went on to 2-1 XiaOt for a spot on the team.)
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 01:43:09
May 24 2011 01:40 GMT
#1497
On May 24 2011 10:35 Vorlik wrote:
I love that china is finally showing what they can do, and can't be overlooked. I want to see some games from this "xigua" guy who xiaot(which I have a lot of respect for) says is 2 levels above Idra.


Well I think xiaot is friends with xigua so... I don't know how big of a statement that is. After all, Sen defeated xiqua in the GSL World Tournament qualifier (from what someone else said) and Sen isn't way above IdrA if at all. I know one match doesn't determine everything, but they are likely around the same level if Sen can beat xiqua.

Come to think of it though, I wonder who took out xiaot, especially since (if I'm not mistaken) it had to be a player from that Asian group, meaning it was probably Sen or Moonglade. Does anyone know?

Edit: Someone answered it right above me. Apparently Sen also took down xiaot. Wow. I'm sure that was overshadowed by the other qualifiers for most people.

On May 24 2011 10:34 kheldorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 10:32 Blasphemi wrote:
I expect MC to take this now. He's a master of PvP and seems to excel in the LAN enviroment.

He's only a master of PvP because of his micro but I think the Chinese players have micro that rivals his. And since these players are ex-WC3 pros, they should be pretty comfortable in a LAN environment especially in their own home country.


Ya I suppose that is true. I'm sure they all have stage experience, and WC3 means their micro will be quite solid. It will be interesting to see how takes it.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 01:42:26
May 24 2011 01:41 GMT
#1498
On May 24 2011 10:35 Vorlik wrote:
I love that china is finally showing what they can do, and can't be overlooked. I want to see some games from this "xigua" guy who xiaot(which I have a lot of respect for) says is 2 levels above Idra.


I have seen Xigua play, albeit months earlier than this match, and he seems to be a pretty solid Zerg. His style is much more like Sen than it is like IdrA, in that both tend to favor aggression and multi-pronged attacks. Sen seemed a bit better in ZvZ a few months ago when they played in the qualifiers for the WC, but nowadays who knows? I imagine XiaoT said Xigua is better because playing like Sen taxes the Protoss's multi-tasking a lot more, whereas Idra's ball vs. ball play just requires good FFs and stalker positioning. Idra also didn't play his best in those games, though in many ways they were typical IdrA games.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 24 2011 01:42 GMT
#1499
Too bad Idra lost but it's probably better for the tournament anyways. More Chinese fans will watch since xiaot must be quite popular there, and Idra probably wouldn't have made the trip to China anyways.
geno
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 01:44:41
May 24 2011 01:43 GMT
#1500
Is there some particular reason idra tends to go for brood lords late against protoss instead of ultralisks? I mean, only 1 or 2 ultras out when he had that 80 supply lead would have completely changed those engagements by making forcefields useless.

Compare that to those 1-2 early brood lords that sat at his natural doing nothing while he kept freeing up more supply with very little gain.
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